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Parents pull children out of school after lesson on trans issues

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/09/04/parents-pull-children-out-of-school-after-lesson-on-trans-issues-splits-views/

Pink News/by Meka Beresford    09/04/2017

Transgender issues should be taught in schools. This is a necessary step for gender identity. However, do you think that these should be introduced this early? I believe that everyone should have a sense of self-identity at an early age, but I am not sure if a kindergartener can already comprehend.

The reaction was too much in my opinion. Rather than pulling out, parents should have been more open through dialogue. A hasty transfer may also cause confusion. I hope this controversy does not cause negative implications to how the community is viewed. 

More power to the community. Love wins!

I think if the issue will be encountered at that early age then it should be taught.  It is in fact encountered as some children are socially transitioning at that age. 

If some parents are uncomfortable with their children being taught that they should be kind to and understanding of others then it is a good thing for them to withdraw.

The sooner the kids are taught and open their minds to  gender spectrums, the sooner the prejudices of their parents will die out. We need more of this education, not less.

Hugs,
   Laurie

Laurie, when our generation dies out, the world is going to be a better place. Kids nowadays don't give a rat's ass about gender or race, that's our issue.

Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on September 10, 2017, 01:06:07 PM
Laurie, when our generation dies out, the world is going to be a better place. Kids nowadays don't give a rat's ass about gender or race, that's our issue.

Hugs, Devlyn

Now isn't that pretty much what I said? Only difference is that there are what 3 or 4 generations between our generation and their parents? All those need to die out for real progress can be made.

Hugs,
   Laurie

Ignorance should not be the new normal. I pledged allegiance to a flag that represented equality and then the people that give that flag meaning took a right turn.

Quote from: DawnOday on September 10, 2017, 03:16:30 PM
Ignorance should not be the new normal. I pledged allegiance to a flag that represented equality and then the people that give that flag meaning took a right turn.

I fear you are right Dawn. Those days are gone. The pledge of allegiance is no longer taught and therefore there is none.

Along with it we've lost the old patriotic songs of my childhood. It's now another lost and perverted concept more of a divide than a pride.

        My Country, 'Tis of Thee
   (Written by Samuel Francis Smith)

         My country, 'tis of thee,
         Sweet land of liberty,
         Of thee I sing;
         Land where my fathers died,
         Land of the pilgrims' pride,
         From ev'ry mountainside
         Let freedom ring!

source: https://www.lyricsondemand.com/miscellaneouslyrics/patrioticsongslyrics/mycountrytisoftheelyrics.html

Quote from: DawnOday on September 10, 2017, 03:16:30 PM
Ignorance should not be the new normal. I pledged allegiance to a flag that represented equality and then the people that give that flag meaning took a right turn.

I have to disagree with that.  Those people did not take a right turn.  Everyone else took a left turn and now the ones left behind are in a reactionary panic mode.  The right way though is probably not with the ones that turned left nor with the ones that remained in place.  The right path is somewhere in between.  Neither right nor left today has a monopoly on virtue.

Race and gender will always be an issue! You dying out without focusing the next gen will be meaningless. It's sorry that some wish for other older generations death. Sad!

Gasp! omg, how can this be? its almost as though the school is trying to educate their students with knowledge about society :O!!!!! who do these teachers think they are teaching kids?

Quote from: Laurie on September 10, 2017, 12:53:17 PM
The sooner the kids are taught and open their minds to  gender spectrums, the sooner the prejudices of their parents will die out. We need more of this education, not less.

Hugs,
   Laurie

Your first sentence is exactly the argument I've seen parents use AGAINST teaching it.

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April 22, 2015, the day of my first face to face pass in gender neutral clothes and no makeup. It may be months to the next one, but I'm good with that!

Being transgender is just a phase. It hardly ever starts before conception and always ends promptly at death.

They say the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. I say, climb aboard!

Think outside the voice box!

Quote from: Deborah on September 10, 2017, 03:50:59 PM
I have to disagree with that.  Those people did not take a right turn.  Everyone else took a left turn and now the ones left behind are in a reactionary panic mode.  The right way though is probably not with the ones that turned left nor with the ones that remained in place.  The right path is somewhere in between.  Neither right nor left today has a monopoly on virtue.

Right voted for Trump. Right wing is setting about taking peoples hard won rights away. I know the right has been on this path since Nixon. Left is for diversity, equality, LGBTQ, minorities. The right has swerved from it's Christian beliefs that all men are created equal. The left has not abandoned it's religious belief in favor of Charlatans and greed. Love thy neighbor as thyself,comes to mind. The right has taken up Nationalism. Left promotes diversity, job creation, workers rights, unions, tax reform that lowers the middle class tax burden and distributes it more fairly. Left is looking to keep the earth functioning right is looking for armageddon. So just where is the middle? I will not give up my liberal identity to promote hate groups, religious zealots as this was not the intent of the Founding Fathers.

Quote from: Dee Marshall on September 10, 2017, 04:59:48 PM
Your first sentence is exactly the argument I've seen parents use AGAINST teaching it.

Yup, and the reason being is because those type of parents create off spring for the purpose of creating, as Dr Evil would say ''mini-mes'' They want their children not to devaite or think on their own but rather do, look, talk and act they way they wish. So if a AMAB acts noticeably feminine or even if a AFAB acts too boy like then the clamps go down. They need to conform in their minds.

It sometimes isnt just LGBT related, I knew a girl back during my self discovery and eventual coming out time (2013-2014) .She year my junior and  who's father (who by her own admission was a hard core homophobe and even racist) would dictate what she will be doing at college and I believe she told me a story her father even wanted to buy her a cell phone, her first I do believe for her when she leaves Petawawa to go to College (or University) in North Bay Ontario but with a catch, that catch being that the phone has a GPS tracker so he knows that she will be in North Bay all the time and not going down to Toronto or some other place to party. She was 19 at the time and yes, I do believe they were an evangelical family. But it goes to show how much many parents dont want their kids to discover their own selves but rather, be subservient and be a drone. Quite sad actually.

Quote from: DawnOday on September 10, 2017, 05:08:33 PM


Right voted for Trump. Right wing is setting about taking peoples hard won rights away. I know the right has been on this path since Nixon. Left is for diversity, equality, LGBTQ, minorities. The right has swerved from it's Christian beliefs that all men are created equal. The left has not abandoned it's religious belief in favor of Charlatans and greed. Love thy neighbor as thyself,comes to mind. The right has taken up Nationalism. Left promotes diversity, job creation, workers rights, unions, tax reform that lowers the middle class tax burden and distributes it more fairly. Left is looking to keep the earth functioning right is looking for armageddon. So just where is the middle? I will not give up my liberal identity to promote hate groups, religious zealots as this was not the intent of the Founding Fathers.

Hey, Gerald Ford really wasnt all that bad ;)

  I, as you all know, feel as strongly about these issues as anyone else. It has caused some problems within my own family.
This topic especially can be provoking and because of that I would hope all of us can  re-read what we are about to post on it keeping in mind that we can discuss these things without stepping over the line. It's not about the religious or the divides of politics. It's about our children and our hopes for a better world someday.

Hugs,
  Laurie

Quote from: Laurie on September 10, 2017, 03:35:36 PM
I fear you are right Dawn. Those days are gone. The pledge of allegiance is no longer taught and therefore there is none.

Along with it we've lost the old patriotic songs of my childhood. It's now another lost and perverted concept more of a divide than a pride.

        My Country, 'Tis of Thee   GOD SAVE THE QUEEN...

Tut tut rmaddy, The story is about an American school in California. That song is a good one too though.

Hugs,
   Laurie

Quote from: SailorMars1994 on September 10, 2017, 05:25:56 PM
Yup, and the reason being is because those type of parents create off spring for the purpose of creating, as Dr Evil would say ''mini-mes'' They want their children not to devaite or think on their own but rather do, look, talk and act they way they wish. So if a AMAB acts noticeably feminine or even if a AFAB acts too boy like then the clamps go down. They need to conform in their minds.

It sometimes isnt just LGBT related, I knew a girl back during my self discovery and eventual coming out time (2013-2014) .She year my junior and  who's father (who by her own admission was a hard core homophobe and even racist) would dictate what she will be doing at college and I believe she told me a story her father even wanted to buy her a cell phone, her first I do believe for her when she leaves Petawawa to go to College (or University) in North Bay Ontario but with a catch, that catch being that the phone has a GPS tracker so he knows that she will be in North Bay all the time and not going down to Toronto or some other place to party. She was 19 at the time and yes, I do believe they were an evangelical family. But it goes to show how much many parents dont want their kids to discover their own selves but rather, be subservient and be a drone. Quite sad actually.

That would depend on what type of people the parents are. I am aware of some that are open minded, and teach their children to think on their own, and not be haters. I also know of some that teach their children to be bigots before they are even old enough to attend school.

Quote from: SailorMars1994 on September 10, 2017, 05:27:03 PM
Hey, Gerald Ford really wasnt all that bad ;)

I don't know if 12% - 16% interest rates are all that good. Nor a slogan of WIN Wip Inflation Now.

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Laurie sorry. Guess I should save it for Huff post or Facebook.[emoji39] Unfortunately my Engineering background forces me to look for root causes.

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Quote from: DawnOday on September 10, 2017, 10:39:02 PM
Laurie sorry. Guess I should save it for Huff post or Facebook.[emoji39] Unfortunately my Engineering background forces me to look for root causes.

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  No harm no foul Dawn I could easily head there myself. I have to keep reign on my emotions on those subjects as I have some very strong feelings about certain volatile subjects that can only get me in trouble (and have) if I give voice to them here. Now I relegate them to my facebook page and annoy my nephew, his wife and several other relatives.

Hugs,
   Laurie

Quote from: DawnOday on September 10, 2017, 05:08:33 PM


Right voted for Trump. Right wing is setting about taking peoples hard won rights away. I know the right has been on this path since Nixon. Left is for diversity, equality, LGBTQ, minorities. The right has swerved from it's Christian beliefs that all men are created equal. The left has not abandoned it's religious belief in favor of Charlatans and greed. Love thy neighbor as thyself,comes to mind. The right has taken up Nationalism. Left promotes diversity, job creation, workers rights, unions, tax reform that lowers the middle class tax burden and distributes it more fairly. Left is looking to keep the earth functioning right is looking for armageddon. So just where is the middle? I will not give up my liberal identity to promote hate groups, religious zealots as this was not the intent of the Founding Fathers.

It is sad about some parents shutting out the notion that their children just might turn out to be "different", and I approve of DawnOday's liberal sentiments, but I agree with Deborah that neither right nor left have a monopoly on virtue. 

In fact, I am always confused about who is right wing and who is left wing, especially in the US.  With my admittedly limited understanding of US history, it seemed to me that there were once four major parties in America, not two.  In the north were the fiercely capitalistic right wing Republicans, and the more socially concerned left wing Democrats.  In the south, there were the left wing Republicans who supported suffrage for black people, and the right wing Democrats who supported the Jim Crow laws.  And if nationalism is right wing and socialism is left wing, was the National Socialist leader Adolf Hitler a mixture of the two, and therefore a moderate?

I think that we tend to regard any politics we don't like as right wing, while we regard the politics we do like as either moderate or left wing.

Thanks, Dawn for the PM.  As a Visitor, I can't reply by PM yet, so I have to acknowledge it here.  I do applaud your compassionate and liberal views, and now I also know a bit more about modern US history, politics and current affairs.
Thanks again.

To add something on the subject of the school, I'll just mention that I don't understand how the parents could even be worried.  The transgender child who "came out" was a fait accompli and the other children would have been even more confused if the teacher hadn't tried to explain it to them in terms that they might understand.

They're upset because they wanted to be warned in advance so that they could explain the situation their way. Their way is religious and false to fact. (Not that I think that those two necessarily go together.)

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April 22, 2015, the day of my first face to face pass in gender neutral clothes and no makeup. It may be months to the next one, but I'm good with that!

Being transgender is just a phase. It hardly ever starts before conception and always ends promptly at death.

They say the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. I say, climb aboard!

Think outside the voice box!

I could be wrong, but, I seriously doubt that many of the parents who objected can truthfully say they read any substantial portion of either one of the books.  As I see it, their objection was that the teacher and school were ready to accommodate the transgender child's needs. Part of that accommodation was to head off the potential problems associated with the classmate's new experience by explaining what was going on.  The objecting parents, simply, did not want their children exposed to the transgender scourge in any way shape or form.  Instead of being taught how to deal with the new situation, the parents would have rather, I suppose, had their children bully and demean the transgender child.

Stephanie

After seeing a few TV documentaries in the last year or two, I thought "how lucky transgender children are today, to be accepted by their families and even allowed to go to school wearing the clothes of their true gender".

Clearly, though, even today, only a tiny minority of transgender children are accepted any more than they were half a century ago.  Even the ones that are accepted by their families and schools are not having such an easy time that they could be described as "lucky".

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on September 10, 2017, 01:06:07 PM
Laurie, when our generation dies out, the world is going to be a better place. Kids nowadays don't give a rat's ass about gender or race, that's our issue.

Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Lady Sarah on September 10, 2017, 09:54:22 PM
That would depend on what type of people the parents are. I am aware of some that are open minded, and teach their children to think on their own, and not be haters. I also know of some that teach their children to be bigots before they are even old enough to attend school.

These I agree with.  The irony is that kids don't have a care in the world about gender and who wears what until they are poisoned by ignorant adults.  If these parents continue to "teach" in an uneducated way about our lifestyle,  nothing is going to change, and that thinking won't die out until the chain is broken. 

My concern is that the message gets thrown down everyone's throat and they get a real bad taste in their mouth about the politics.  Some that wouldn't have cared in the past, now are expressing subtle displeasure....which feeds back through the generations and it grows.  My feeling FWIW, is we need to tread lighter.