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I was about 17 and very girly. Almost wish I'd started HRT then.  ;) But, I would't be who I am today. Interesting though.

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You looked like a girl :)

You've been able to keep your hair though!  That's a huge plus.  You'll get there!

I'm with ya. I looked like a girl as a small boy and through my teen years. I didn't start puberty until I was almost 17, so you can imagine how I stood out like a sore thumb. My four years of high school getting bullied because of it were the worst years of my life. When I look back at old family photos I see a girl, and it's not my sister. ;)

I looked pretty much like a girl before transition too. My hateful idiot mother asked my boyfriend if he wanted to see a picture of me when I was 16 and still a boy. He said no, he didn't but she shoved it in his face anyway. I don't know what he was expecting but he said " you're supposed to be a boy in this picture? You look almost the same and you're even wearing makeup!"  Then he asked me if I had ever actually looked like a boy and before I could answer my dad and brother both said " No!"  Thankfully I didn't look like a guy in that picture. It could have made things awkward with Tristan.  I could just kill my mom sometimes.

You haven't changed much. Maybe a little taller Wanda Jane.

Aaaah these cruel hormone puberty changes.

Wanda think long hair was definately a 60's 70's thing . . .

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You look great kids today don't understand was the best time ever for America!!

Quote from: Kiera on September 28, 2017, 04:55:51 AM
Wanda think long hair was definately a 60's 70's thing . . .

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You look great kids today don't understand was the best time ever for America!!

The 60s and 70s??  But you had no technonology! No phones,tablets,internet,GPS,music and movie streaming. You didn't even have email. What did you even do back then??

I played with sticks and ate mud.  :laugh:

Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on September 28, 2017, 08:13:56 AM
I played with sticks and ate mud.  :laugh:

Hugs, Devlyn

You are hilarious. Lol

Quote from: Julia1996 on September 28, 2017, 08:02:12 AM
The 60s and 70s??  But you had no technonology! No phones,tablets,internet,GPS,music and movie streaming. You didn't even have email. What did you even do back then??

Went outside and interacted with people in person mostly.

Quote from: Julia1996 on September 28, 2017, 08:02:12 AM
The 60s and 70s??  But you had no technonology! No phones,tablets,internet,GPS,music and movie streaming. You didn't even have email. What did you even do back then??

We read paper books, newspapers, watched over the air TV, listened to radio, used landlines, went to movie theaters and used snail mail. There was plenty to do and we could do much the same things you do today.

Except we didn't fall into manholes or walk off train platforms texting back in the good ol' days.  :)

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on September 28, 2017, 08:45:21 AM
Except we didn't fall into manholes or walk off train platforms texting back in the good ol' days.  :)

Yeah, that's a big problem. My dad is always pulling people over for texting while they're driving. It's totally dangerous.

Quote from: Dena on September 28, 2017, 08:40:22 AM
We read paper books, newspapers, watched over the air TV, listened to radio, used landlines, went to movie theaters and used snail mail. There was plenty to do and we could do much the same things you do today.

In the old days, you had to actually pick up the phone and talk. This often wasted a ton of time because of introductions and so on. Now a quick text takes care of it. Emails and texts are so instantaneous. But games are a big time waster, though... ???

Quote from: Shellie Hart on September 28, 2017, 09:04:53 AM
In the old days, you had to actually pick up the phone and talk. This often wasted a ton of time because of introductions and so on. Now a quick text takes care of it. Emails and texts are so instantaneous. But games are a big time waster, though... ???

Without caller ID how would you even know if it was someone you wanted to talk to??

Quote from: Julia1996 on September 28, 2017, 09:09:08 AM
Without caller ID how would you even know if it was someone you wanted to talk to??

You didn't. It was phone roulette.

Quote from: Wanda Jane on September 25, 2017, 11:10:05 PM
I was about 17 and very girly. Almost wish I'd started HRT then.  ;) But, I would't be who I am today. Interesting though.

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Wanda, before I go completely off topic (and I will!  ;) ) I have to say that your transition is textbook CKtCB...Cute Kid to Classy Broad.  :)

Hugs, Devlyn

Now...

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Quote from: Julia1996 on September 28, 2017, 09:09:08 AM
Without caller ID how would you even know if it was someone you wanted to talk to??

You didn't. It was phone roulette.

Best wrong number story ever: Our town had two prefixes, your number started with a 335 or a 337. The local Chinese restaurant was 335-9672, we were 337-9672. We got calls for them all the time. My father used to take their order and tell them fifteen minutes!  :laugh:

OK egg rowl, pohk fwied wice, owange chicken.  Twelve dollar fifteen minute!

I would have had far too much fun with that  ;D

I'd have passed the order on,  delivered it,  and charged a handling fee.

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Quote from: Devlyn Marie on September 28, 2017, 08:13:56 AM
I played with sticks and ate mud.  :laugh:

Hugs, Devlyn

So you're saying nothings changed then?   Zing! Damn, where's a drum rim shot when you need one ;D

Quote from: Jessica Lynne on September 28, 2017, 01:00:04 PM

So you're saying nothings changed then?   Zing! Damn, where's a drum rim shot when you need one ;D

Lol.  :icon_dance:

Cute. [emoji3] And I can relate. Me about the same age. I was already wearing girls clothes. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170929/fd31b991e2afd7cb4c9555c12a9a223f.jpg)


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I look like a butch emo girl in my old high school photos. Funny thing is that I probably would have dressed that way regardless whether I was born a girl or not.

Quote from: Wanda Jane on September 25, 2017, 11:10:05 PM
I was about 17 and very girly. Almost wish I'd started HRT then.  ;) But, I would't be who I am today. Interesting though.

Yes. It explains a lot.
I also heard frequently that I look like a girl at my teens. Even little girls said so.

barbie~~

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Quote from: Devlyn Marie on September 28, 2017, 08:13:56 AM
I played with sticks and ate mud.  :laugh:

Hugs, Devlyn

So you're saying nothings changed then?   Zing! Damn, where's a drum rim shot when you need one ;D

;D. Good one!   :laugh:

Hugs, Devlyn

I don't have pictures for me before starting female hormones I hated myself back then and all the picture that my family had I cut it
My mother said I always look sad in them and like I being forced to take them ( duh yeah )

Luckily for me I start taking female hormones before my 20's when I was still teenager

After that I start taking selfies all the time xD

I never was manly or masculine but recently I found out that before I take the female hormones in my teen my dad did inject me with male hormone without telling me because I was " girly to him "
Back then he said its multi vitamins

Luckily the injections did not damage me that much
And I start the female hormones short after that

no wonder I have great dysphoria

I've always been curious if there is a connection between transsexuality and underdevelopment in males. Like if your body has some awareness of the discrepancy and thus slows the pubertal process as a result.

I didn't really hit puberty until about age 20, and by that point I had begun HRT so any truly masculinizing effects have been halted. Prior to that, you could say that I was a very late bloomer.

Quote from: Allie24 on September 30, 2017, 08:03:11 AM
I've always been curious if there is a connection between transsexuality and underdevelopment in males. Like if your body has some awareness of the discrepancy and thus slows the pubertal process as a result.

I didn't really hit puberty until about age 20, and by that point I had begun HRT so any truly masculinizing effects have been halted. Prior to that, you could say that I was a very late bloomer.

I have wondered about that too. So does my dad. My voice never dropped into the male range. It deepened a little and it's husky but very much in the female range. My brothers voice started deepening at 13 and his is very deep. I never developed facial hair at all. He started getting facial hair between 14-15 years old. And the biggest difference is my size. My dad is 6'2. My brother is 6'4. I'm only 5'4.

I've heard it said that the human mind can be capable of a lot more than we realize. I wonder if the extreme dysphoria some of us experience at the onset of puberty somehow causes our minds to maybe release chemicals or something that interferes with male puberty.

I don't know much about endocrinology but it's reasonable to assume that the distress caused by dysphoria could release a hormone that slows certain physical processes.

It's more likely that the same epigenetic discrepancy that affects the mind in the womb may often affect the body's development also.


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Quote from: Allie24 on September 30, 2017, 08:03:11 AM
I've always been curious if there is a connection between transsexuality and underdevelopment in males. Like if your body has some awareness of the discrepancy and thus slows the pubertal process as a result.

I didn't really hit puberty until about age 20, and by that point I had begun HRT so any truly masculinizing effects have been halted. Prior to that, you could say that I was a very late bloomer.

I believe so.  If you look at secondary sexual characteristics, like overalll body size and things like the D2:D4 finger ratio (females have longer index fingers than ring fingers. Males are opposite) you will often find that some of us have rather feminine bodies.

In my case I'm only 5'4", and have a small frame. I have the longer index fingers, and my hands are between both sexes, i.e., I have long fingers like a girl, but wider hands more like a guy.

My best friend, who is a cis female, said to me the other night "I don't know how I feel about you having more feminine feet than me! Lol". I think she has pretty feet, but I guess I do too. Lol.

So from the neck down I look like a pre adolescent girl. Lol. I attribute that to not having developed many masculine features. Even on my face. Except for a manish nose and facial hair.

And this probably got started way back when androgen is released to the embryo. This determines a lot of your secondary sexual characteristics. The primary characteristics are determined at conception.

Brain scans of transsexuals also show they match that of the opposite sex.


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I have always wondered, why don't they use brain scans in order to diagnose transsexuality? Seems like it would make a lot of sense to do so.

I don't think there are many of us here who haven't fantasized what life would have been like if we'd realized and done things earlier in our lives. I suppose I do so regularly and it's always entertaining.

I noticed quite a lot of trans girls have femininity sprinkled throughout their boy years

I wish I was one... I was 6'3 by the end of middle school and no better in other departments. nature really didn't care what I wanted :( I'm not sure I have any of the sorts of signs you're all taking about

The picture of Wanda looks like me as a teenager. I stopped growing at 15 & was 6'4", I went from Billy no mates to the most popular kid in my year when other kids knew I could get served alcohol!

Quote from: Wanda Jane on September 25, 2017, 11:10:05 PM
I was about 17 and very girly. Almost wish I'd started HRT then.  ;) But, I would't be who I am today. Interesting though.

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You looked like a girl!! Good for you.


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Quote from: Julia1996 on September 30, 2017, 08:22:45 AM
I have wondered about that too. So does my dad. My voice never dropped into the male range. It deepened a little and it's husky but very much in the female range. My brothers voice started deepening at 13 and his is very deep. I never developed facial hair at all. He started getting facial hair between 14-15 years old. And the biggest difference is my size. My dad is 6'2. My brother is 6'4. I'm only 5'4.

I've heard it said that the human mind can be capable of a lot more than we realize. I wonder if the extreme dysphoria some of us experience at the onset of puberty somehow causes our minds to maybe release chemicals or something that interferes with male puberty.

I don't know if that is true. Not in my case anyway.   I guess I look a bit girly in this picture. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171005/5a46441841a7c56331d0dde3328fa35e.jpg)
       I am the short one in the picture. I guess I looked a bit girly till I was maybe 10 yrs old. But then, as I approached puberty, I started growing in size, my facial hair appeared, and now I am this giant mess of a person.
        I hate the way I look now, hate it to the guts.

        I started dressing up in my sister's and my mom's clothes when I was maybe 12-13 yrs, I don't remember exactly, but I used to dress up in secret each and every day.
          If only there could have been a confirmatory test for being transgender.
        Its causing me so much trouble, because like you people, I didn't look like a girl when I was a child, nor did I have a delayed puberty. It makes me feel like I am not in the group.
       Maybe, I am not a transgender person. What do you think?
     Is there any way I could confirm it?

         


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Quote from: Allie24 on October 04, 2017, 07:21:40 PM
I have always wondered, why don't they use brain scans in order to diagnose transsexuality? Seems like it would make a lot of sense to do so.

From what I heard,  a simple brainscan doesn't show the differences. It's a close up inspection of the brain post mortem that does it.

Quote from: Julia1996 on October 05, 2017, 07:55:09 AM
From what I heard,  a simple brainscan doesn't show the differences. It's a close up inspection of the brain post mortem that does it.

With a really good MRI you could probably do the same, but the differences aren't quite as cut and dry as some might think.  There's a lot of overlap that makes diagnosing anything based upon these differences pretty tricky. 

Quote from: Colleen_definitely on October 05, 2017, 08:58:46 AM
With a really good MRI you could probably do the same, but the differences aren't quite as cut and dry as some might think.  There's a lot of overlap that makes diagnosing anything based upon these differences pretty tricky.

I think the issue comes in with someone who wants to pursue transition but does not pass the brain scan test. Does this mean they are refused treatment? We veer then into an ideological debate, rather than a scientific one. To what extent do we allow an individual to determine what they are, and is it ethical to offer a treatment for a patient who does not require it?

Quote from: Allie24 on October 05, 2017, 11:44:47 AM
I think the issue comes in with someone who wants to pursue transition but does not pass the brain scan test. Does this mean they are refused treatment? We veer then into an ideological debate, rather than a scientific one. To what extent do we allow an individual to determine what they are, and is it ethical to offer a treatment for a patient who does not require it?

That's kind of a issue right now. Treatment isn't refused but there is a big ongoing debate about some people being more trans than others.

Quote from: Allie24 on October 05, 2017, 11:44:47 AM
I think the issue comes in with someone who wants to pursue transition but does not pass the brain scan test. Does this mean they are refused treatment? We veer then into an ideological debate, rather than a scientific one. To what extent do we allow an individual to determine what they are, and is it ethical to offer a treatment for a patient who does not require it?

At this point I believe that running on the assumption that cis people generally don't pursue this treatment is the safest course of action.  Imaging the brain is neat, and might be useful for those on the fence about what they are (also families) but I would in no way advocate it as a primary diagnosis tool.