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Title: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on September 28, 2017, 07:26:16 AM
Post by: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on September 28, 2017, 07:26:16 AM
So it's been 2 wks on HRT today, and for the past wk or so I've been getting a LOT of peculiar stares. Everyone, everywhere, is CONSTANTLY looking at me. I'm not presenting yet, still acting male in public, the way I ALWAYS have. I'm homeless, but I change my clothes & shower daily, so I know it's not that... I wonder if I'm subconsciously walking/moving/carrying myself differently, & confusing people; or if they somehow sense, or even SMELL, that something doesn't JIVE with me... Is this something any of you experienced? Or is it just me being self conscious/paranoid? I've never felt like this before, I've always just blended in... Had THAT down to a frickin' science, lemme tell ya!
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Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Devlyn on September 28, 2017, 07:48:42 AM
Post by: Devlyn on September 28, 2017, 07:48:42 AM
You know, nothing has changed for these people in the last few weeks. You, however, are going through a chemical reversal of your systems, so to speak. I think it's YOU, sister, not them. :) Haven't you been warned that this is a roller coaster ride? :laugh:
Hugs, Devlyn
Hugs, Devlyn
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Deborah on September 28, 2017, 07:53:24 AM
Post by: Deborah on September 28, 2017, 07:53:24 AM
I noticed the same thing pretty quickly. It wasn't so much with people I knew but rather strangers. I'm not sure if it was me being more observant, some chemical thing, or my looking more happy instead of morose.
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Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Julia1996 on September 28, 2017, 09:28:15 AM
Post by: Julia1996 on September 28, 2017, 09:28:15 AM
Quote from: Deborah on September 28, 2017, 07:53:24 AMIt can't be Proven but I think it's some kind of pheromones. When I first started hrt I totally didn't look or act any different at all. But I noticed girls staring at me longer, like they were trying to figure out what was different. And unfortunately guys seemed to notice me more, but not in a good way. They would give me a kind of confused look for a second and then call me ->-bleeped-<-ot instead of saying it immediately like before.
I noticed the same thing pretty quickly. It wasn't so much with people I knew but rather strangers. I'm not sure if it was me being more observant, some chemical thing, or my looking more happy instead of morose.
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I really think it's some kind of pheromones or something to do with smell. My body odors, sweat and pee especially have become very noticeable to my dad and brother and my brothers friends. They don't necessarily find them offensive odors but they do notice them. Maybe it's because hrt changes body chemistry and they notice my odors because they are now different from theirs.
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Kendra on September 28, 2017, 09:36:07 AM
Post by: Kendra on September 28, 2017, 09:36:07 AM
I received quite a few spontaneous comments, and most didn't know I had just started HRT. I think Julia is right regarding chemical changes and pheromones - and an additional factor is my facial expression changed from the profound effect this had on my perception and senses. My eyes probably focus on different things than before. I am noticing many things for the first time, even things that should have been obvious, and I probably can't hide that fact.
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Bari Jo on September 28, 2017, 09:45:12 AM
Post by: Bari Jo on September 28, 2017, 09:45:12 AM
I've only been on a few months, but yes, people do notice, especially casual acquaintances. They don't know it's hrt, just that something is different. One neighbor especially, and one coworker. It's a great feeling, imo the double take. Even if their reaction is negative after as they were in Julia's case, they still noticed, which is affirmation that the hrt is working. I keep thinking its doing nothing, then I get one of those and I get happy inside.
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on September 29, 2017, 06:09:16 AM
Post by: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on September 29, 2017, 06:09:16 AM
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on September 28, 2017, 07:48:42 AMLol it's definitely me, you're right; I just wasn't sure exactly WHAT about me was causing it... And hoo boy, you ain't kiddin' about it being a rollercoaster ride!!! Been hanging on for dear life, haha!
You know, nothing has changed for these people in the last few weeks. You, however, are going through a chemical reversal of your systems, so to speak. I think it's YOU, sister, not them. :) Haven't you been warned that this is a roller coaster ride? [emoji23]
Hugs, Devlyn
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Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on September 29, 2017, 06:11:58 AM
Post by: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on September 29, 2017, 06:11:58 AM
Quote from: Deborah on September 28, 2017, 07:53:24 AMEXACTLY!! The few friends I have that aren't in the know have made comments that I seem happier or younger, so they must sense it too but dismiss it.
I noticed the same thing pretty quickly. It wasn't so much with people I knew but rather strangers. I'm not sure if it was me being more observant, some chemical thing, or my looking more happy instead of morose.
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Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on September 29, 2017, 12:33:25 PM
Post by: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on September 29, 2017, 12:33:25 PM
Quote from: Julia1996 on September 28, 2017, 09:28:15 AMI think you're right, it must be pheromones (or something related to the change in my body chemistry), & it confuses them. I notice men often have a furrowed brow while staring, and when I see them I can't help but imagine a perplexed caveman, grunting "Me smell boobs, me see no boobs... Urgh?!" Haha. Women def stare just as often; they instinctively look me up & down (you know the look, we ALL do it to one another, lol) before dismissing me. That was actually what made me start to notice, as I NEVER get looks from other women (the only time I ever did was when I was married... women are somehow able to sense that, too).
It can't be Proven but I think it's some kind of pheromones. When I first started hrt I totally didn't look or act any different at all. But I noticed girls staring at me longer, like they were trying to figure out what was different. And unfortunately guys seemed to notice me more, but not in a good way. They would give me a kind of confused look for a second and then call me ->-bleeped-<-ot instead of saying it immediately like before.
I really think it's some kind of pheromones or something to do with smell. My body odors, sweat and pee especially have become very noticeable to my dad and brother and my brothers friends. They don't necessarily find them offensive odors but they do notice them. Maybe it's because hrt changes body chemistry and they notice my odors because they are now different from theirs.
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Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: IzzyC on September 29, 2017, 12:39:37 PM
Post by: IzzyC on September 29, 2017, 12:39:37 PM
This happened to me too.
Women treat me different, and especially men.
I don't mind it because I like dudes, but after about 3 weeks to a month there was a very discernible difference in how people reacted to me. People smile at me more, and guys say hello and ask me how I am and stuff.
Idk if its because I look happier now like someone mentioned above, or some other reason; but it did very much so happen.
Women treat me different, and especially men.
I don't mind it because I like dudes, but after about 3 weeks to a month there was a very discernible difference in how people reacted to me. People smile at me more, and guys say hello and ask me how I am and stuff.
Idk if its because I look happier now like someone mentioned above, or some other reason; but it did very much so happen.
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on September 29, 2017, 03:29:41 PM
Post by: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on September 29, 2017, 03:29:41 PM
Quote from: IzzyC on September 29, 2017, 12:39:37 PMThat's cool it turned positive! Were you living/presenting as female at all during that time? I'm not yet, so the reactions I get from guys aren't reeeally the kind I'd like... and I'd be lying if I said I didn't want some form of POSITIVE attention once I finally start presenting, but at the moment it just feels awkward...
This happened to me too.
Women treat me different, and especially men.
I don't mind it because I like dudes, but after about 3 weeks to a month there was a very discernible difference in how people reacted to me. People smile at me more, and guys say hello and ask me how I am and stuff.
Idk if its because I look happier now like someone mentioned above, or some other reason; but it did very much so happen.
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Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Tessa James on September 29, 2017, 04:36:51 PM
Post by: Tessa James on September 29, 2017, 04:36:51 PM
I like your smile Jessi. We do start to smell different and for me that was one thing i noticed the second week on HRT. No more male BO, wahoo! Perhaps like you, my real epiphany was self acceptance and that smile and euphoria lasted about 8 months and started well before HRT. I lived so long in denial that it was only after giving up the "man act" that i realized how much effort had been going into it.
Yes, with a smile like that folks are going to notice; like wow Hon you're happy!
Yes, with a smile like that folks are going to notice; like wow Hon you're happy!
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Drexy/Drex on September 29, 2017, 05:46:58 PM
Post by: Drexy/Drex on September 29, 2017, 05:46:58 PM
Yes it's definitely real... I'm sure it's pheromones ....they have such a powerful subconcious effect
I live and work with my coworkers /mates 2 weeks at time and have noticed better communication
and some.females are more. Intrested in me then before.... all in all its quite interesting what with the double takes and females with their intuition tuneing in
I live and work with my coworkers /mates 2 weeks at time and have noticed better communication
and some.females are more. Intrested in me then before.... all in all its quite interesting what with the double takes and females with their intuition tuneing in
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on October 02, 2017, 08:33:53 AM
Post by: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on October 02, 2017, 08:33:53 AM
Quote from: Tessa James on September 29, 2017, 04:36:51 PMAww, thank you!! I took that pic the day I started HRT, & I've never been that happy or smiled that much in my entire life! Now, when I look in the mirror, and I smile, [emoji4] I can actually see the girl inside starting to come out, and it just makes me smile that much more!! [emoji16]
I like your smile Jessi. We do start to smell different and for me that was one thing i noticed the second week on HRT. No more male BO, wahoo! Perhaps like you, my real epiphany was self acceptance and that smile and euphoria lasted about 8 months and started well before HRT. I lived so long in denial that it was only after giving up the "man act" that i realized how much effort had been going into it.
Yes, with a smile like that folks are going to notice; like wow Hon you're happy!
And today, I'm all smiles again, cuz... I just bought my first lady's deodorant! [emoji1] I figured since I'm starting to SMELL like a woman, I should start smelling like a CLEAN woman! And I smell LOVELY, if I do say so myself, haha! Ahhh... It's the little things.
I'm with you, the several months leading up to starting HRT (except for one little hiccup from my past that consumed the month of August, but that's another matter...) I was def happier that I'd accepted who I was.
You're so right about the "man act." My BFF told me when I came out to him "Yeah, I can see that. You were always trying to be overly macho." And here I thought I was fitting in! I'm still trying to keep up the charade for now, til I'm ready to start presenting, & it really is exhausting... I have to focus on it constantly, otherwise I find myself walking, talking, & moving in a feminine manner... I'm sure that adds to people's confusion, lol!
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Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Julia1996 on October 02, 2017, 09:20:17 AM
Post by: Julia1996 on October 02, 2017, 09:20:17 AM
Quote from: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on October 02, 2017, 08:33:53 AM
Aww, thank you!! I took that pic the day I started HRT, & I've never been that happy or smiled that much in my entire life! Now, when I look in the mirror, and I smile, [emoji4] I can actually see the girl inside starting to come out, and it just makes me smile that much more!! [emoji16]
And today, I'm all smiles again, cuz... I just bought my first lady's deodorant! [emoji1] I figured since I'm starting to SMELL like a woman, I should start smelling like a CLEAN woman! And I smell LOVELY, if I do say so myself, haha! Ahhh... It's the little things.
I'm with you, the several months leading up to starting HRT (except for one little hiccup from my past that consumed the month of August, but that's another matter...) I was def happier that I'd accepted who I was.
You're so right about the "man act." My BFF told me when I came out to him "Yeah, I can see that. You were always trying to be overly macho." And here I thought I was fitting in! I'm still trying to keep up the charade for now, til I'm ready to start presenting, & it really is exhausting... I have to focus on it constantly, otherwise I find myself walking, talking, & moving in a feminine manner... I'm sure that adds to people's confusion, lol!
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I think when a lot of transwomen try to act macho they come off as over the top and just ridiculous. I never bothered trying to act like a guy. But once I did wonder why it was so easy for guys to be masculine and I decided to try it just to see if I could do it. So I pretty much tried to imitate the way my brother acted and talked. It lasted maybe 15 minutes. My brother started laughing at me and told me he didn't know what I was doing but that I needed to stop because I looked and sounded like a total fool. So it was a fail. Lol. Another thing is that when someone , Trans or otherwise acts overly masculine it actually creates suspicion. One of my brothers friends is overly masculine and always has to outman the rest of the group and always has to be the tough guy. My brother and I both have wondered what he's trying to cover up acting that way. He's a ->-bleeped-<- but if he ends up transitioning I'll still help him.
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on October 04, 2017, 09:52:48 AM
Post by: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on October 04, 2017, 09:52:48 AM
Quote from: Julia1996 on October 02, 2017, 09:20:17 AMLol, you're funny! I'm imagining you as you look in your profile pic trying to act all manly, & it's rather humorous! So since you've never had to act masculine, does that mean you grew up as a girl? If so, that's wonderful! It makes me so happy that young trans people are finally able to get the help they need to become who they're supposed to be, rather than growing up in misery like myself & countless others. YAY PROGRESS!!
I think when a lot of transwomen try to act macho they come off as over the top and just ridiculous. I never bothered trying to act like a guy. But once I did wonder why it was so easy for guys to be masculine and I decided to try it just to see if I could do it. So I pretty much tried to imitate the way my brother acted and talked. It lasted maybe 15 minutes. My brother started laughing at me and told me he didn't know what I was doing but that I needed to stop because I looked and sounded like a total fool. So it was a fail. Lol. Another thing is that when someone , Trans or otherwise acts overly masculine it actually creates suspicion. One of my brothers friends is overly masculine and always has to outman the rest of the group and always has to be the tough guy. My brother and I both have wondered what he's trying to cover up acting that way. He's a ->-bleeped-<- but if he ends up transitioning I'll still help him.
Hopefully, if your brother's friend is in fact trans, he figures it out before he gets much older... I mean, it's obviously never too late, but its def easier when you're younger, & not just cuz of the physical changes. Once you build your life it's really hard to pull a 180 & transition... Thats what held me back from ever seriously considering it, but I lost everything from drug addiction, so it's kinda like I'm starting a new life! :)
& It's def not easy, trying to be something you're not. Dunno if u saw this in 1 of my earlier posts, but when I was 4 or 5 I told my mom I wished I was a girl, & she told me too bad, that I was a boy, & to start acting like it. So act I did, for the next 30 yrs... In public anyway. It wasn't easy, as I didn't have a decent father figure to emulate (my stepdad was an ass), but I tried... & ur right, ppl saw right thru it, especially kids... School was NOT enjoyable, to say the least... I eventually started emulating the guys I worked w/ when I started landscaping in highschool, & ur right again, I took it WAY over the top... Thought the manlier I acted, the more believable it'd be... I'm certain that everyone probably saw right through my "disguise," & I kinda knew it... I think the person I was really trying to convince was myself.
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Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Julia1996 on October 04, 2017, 10:59:28 AM
Post by: Julia1996 on October 04, 2017, 10:59:28 AM
Quote from: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on October 04, 2017, 09:52:48 AMNo, unfortunately I didn't grow up as a girl. I was an androgynous, extremely feminine boy. Thankfully my dad never pushed masculine behavior on me. He had tried doing that when I was very young but I was very resistant to it and he gave up. He wouldn't let me wear actual female clothes but he let me wear gender neutral clothes in any color I wanted. Even pink, which I wore often.lol. I had had such extreme fits when he tried to take me to get haircuts that he just gave up when I was about nine. I refused to go to a hair salon or barber shop so he would cut a couple of inches off it himself once in a while to keep it from growing to my butt. Lol. When I was 14 I started using make up. The first time my dad saw me with make up he all he did was ask me if I knew it made me look like a girl and was I sure I wanted to go out like that. Then he told my brother to keep an eye on me and make sure the other kids didn't mess with me. I think that's why my brother tends to be over protective at times even now.
Lol, you're funny! I'm imagining you as you look in your profile pic trying to act all manly, & it's rather humorous! So since you've never had to act masculine, does that mean you grew up as a girl? If so, that's wonderful! It makes me so happy that young trans people are finally able to get the help they need to become who they're supposed to be, rather than growing up in misery like myself & countless others. YAY PROGRESS!!
Hopefully, if your brother's friend is in fact trans, he figures it out before he gets much older... I mean, it's obviously never too late, but its def easier when you're younger, & not just cuz of the physical changes. Once you build your life it's really hard to pull a 180 & transition... Thats what held me back from ever seriously considering it, but I lost everything from drug addiction, so it's kinda like I'm starting a new life! :)
& It's def not easy, trying to be something you're not. Dunno if u saw this in 1 of my earlier posts, but when I was 4 or 5 I told my mom I wished I was a girl, & she told me too bad, that I was a boy, & to start acting like it. So act I did, for the next 30 yrs... In public anyway. It wasn't easy, as I didn't have a decent father figure to emulate (my stepdad was an ass), but I tried... & ur right, ppl saw right thru it, especially kids... School was NOT enjoyable, to say the least... I eventually started emulating the guys I worked w/ when I started landscaping in highschool, & ur right again, I took it WAY over the top... Thought the manlier I acted, the more believable it'd be... I'm certain that everyone probably saw right through my "disguise," & I kinda knew it... I think the person I was really trying to convince was myself.
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I'm extremely lucky that my father was so accepting. It's kind of surprising considering his background. (Marine corps and now a cop) My mom wasn't very accepting but all she really did was just bitch about it. She did once tell my dad that he had made this mess (she was talking about me) and don't come crying to her when I grew up to be a drag queen. Lol. So it was no surprise to my dad or brother that I'm trans.
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: IzzyC on October 04, 2017, 11:09:01 AM
Post by: IzzyC on October 04, 2017, 11:09:01 AM
Quote from: Julia1996 on October 04, 2017, 10:59:28 AM
I'm extremely lucky that my father was so accepting. It's kind of surprising considering his background. (Marine corps and now a cop) My mom wasn't very accepting but all she really did was just bitch about it.
It's really funny, the overwhelming majority of other people I know do not have your experience and thus mine as well. Most have father's who were extremely against it, if not near violently angry, and if either parent was accepting (if at all) it was the mother.
My dad was also Navy UDT/SEAL and super country. While he's said he doesn't understand it, he's not antagonistic or angry. He's generally cool with it and is more worried about my future than what I am.
My mother, like yours, is super against it. She had, and still has this sort of narcissistic idealized perception and image about what I am and was going to be. My dad would pose the question when I was younger that I might be gay because I didn't like sports and male stuff, and like how I threw a fit when I was 8 because I wanted to go to gymnastics camp with my sister instead of basketball camp, hatred of cutting hair, and being emo.
She would angrily reject any insinuation that I was gay and constantly told both me and my sister about how gays are immoral/illogical, and she wouldn't be supportive of us if we were. She was weirdly obsessed over weird little things like, being there when I bought shoes even until the age of 20, insisting that I needed to buy 1.5-2 sizes too big because my feet would "grow" into them (at 20).
I just recently went to get new shoes alone, and came back home with size 8 instead of 10.5 and she freaked out and started saying that my feet shrank when they never grew; manifesting anger at the prospect that any of my physical or emotional features were effeminate instead of what she wanted them to be.
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Drexy/Drex on October 08, 2017, 07:47:54 AM
Post by: Drexy/Drex on October 08, 2017, 07:47:54 AM
Well I can attest again to the pheromone effect... sitting at the wet mess tonight with my work mates.... I. noticed
one of the younger guys look at me then look down away with a look of annoyance, or frustration as if he was wrestling with some idea..... he is of the guys who admired me as the macho he man I used to be one of his friends has done the same thing. It's like was said in the previous post.. . Apeman syndrome
as im cooped up with a 95% male. work force it's a bit disconcerting I feel like I am under scrutiny but at the same the scrutineers are having their own dramas trying to process the input because theirs nothing girly looking about me and my manner while not macho is masculine
on the positive people are much more willing to communicate
and Yeah.the males are. much more chatth.....
one of the younger guys look at me then look down away with a look of annoyance, or frustration as if he was wrestling with some idea..... he is of the guys who admired me as the macho he man I used to be one of his friends has done the same thing. It's like was said in the previous post.. . Apeman syndrome
as im cooped up with a 95% male. work force it's a bit disconcerting I feel like I am under scrutiny but at the same the scrutineers are having their own dramas trying to process the input because theirs nothing girly looking about me and my manner while not macho is masculine
on the positive people are much more willing to communicate
and Yeah.the males are. much more chatth.....
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Allison S on October 08, 2017, 01:35:21 PM
Post by: Allison S on October 08, 2017, 01:35:21 PM
I'm not even 2 weeks yet on hormones and I kinda noticed this too. I mean it's more of when I look back at people and notice they're still looking then after I'm thinking "do they know?" lol
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Stevie on October 08, 2017, 02:37:59 PM
Post by: Stevie on October 08, 2017, 02:37:59 PM
We have four cats one of them was always a bit aloof with me. After I had been on HRT for about 3 months she started to come sit on the back of the chair behind me and nuzzle her head into my hair. She now is super affectionate gives me kisses and is always seeking attention from me.
Another thing happened that was not as benign at work, I incrementally transitioned openly at work and was actually full time before starting HRT, and I never had any problems with anyone there about it. After I had been on HRT for a couple of months one day I was putting on my lab coat and I caught one of my male co-workers giving me a head to toe look over when I made eye contact with him he looked away trying act like nothing happened. Things changed after that he became openly hostile toward me and actively tried to turn others against me. A few of my co-workers who before were very supportive started to not talk to me unless I spoke to them first and would only say as little as they had too.
I no longer work there, the place I work now has never known me as anyone but Stephanie and has treated me as such.
Another thing happened that was not as benign at work, I incrementally transitioned openly at work and was actually full time before starting HRT, and I never had any problems with anyone there about it. After I had been on HRT for a couple of months one day I was putting on my lab coat and I caught one of my male co-workers giving me a head to toe look over when I made eye contact with him he looked away trying act like nothing happened. Things changed after that he became openly hostile toward me and actively tried to turn others against me. A few of my co-workers who before were very supportive started to not talk to me unless I spoke to them first and would only say as little as they had too.
I no longer work there, the place I work now has never known me as anyone but Stephanie and has treated me as such.
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Drexy/Drex on October 08, 2017, 07:05:04 PM
Post by: Drexy/Drex on October 08, 2017, 07:05:04 PM
Hi Stevie I know what you mean I'm starting to detect a bit of that but because I'm still riding on the coat tails of my male self's reputation I have some breathing space, thing is I'm not out.. I don't Look femme nor act it
I think the problem guys are the ones who are latent bisexuals and can't except themselves... Their the ones to watch out for
Not gay because gay men like men
I think the problem guys are the ones who are latent bisexuals and can't except themselves... Their the ones to watch out for
Not gay because gay men like men
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: LadyGreen on October 08, 2017, 08:14:29 PM
Post by: LadyGreen on October 08, 2017, 08:14:29 PM
I'm three weeks in and not out in public but i think people are looking at me more and acting more awkward. I cant tell if its because my manner has changed, i dont bother trying to be masculin and ive got longer hair/nails than most guys not to mention a really soft voice now. Or if its a hormone thing (i dont smell like a dude anymore) but people do seem to react funny to me.
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Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Doreen on October 08, 2017, 08:59:24 PM
Post by: Doreen on October 08, 2017, 08:59:24 PM
Quote from: Julia1996 on September 28, 2017, 09:28:15 AM
It can't be Proven but I think it's some kind of pheromones. When I first started hrt I totally didn't look or act any different at all. But I noticed girls staring at me longer, like they were trying to figure out what was different. And unfortunately guys seemed to notice me more, but not in a good way. They would give me a kind of confused look for a second and then call me ->-bleeped-<-ot instead of saying it immediately like before.
I really think it's some kind of pheromones or something to do with smell. My body odors, sweat and pee especially have become very noticeable to my dad and brother and my brothers friends. They don't necessarily find them offensive odors but they do notice them. Maybe it's because hrt changes body chemistry and they notice my odors because they are now different from theirs.
When I started back on HRT 2 years ago I had a guy in my exercise class flat out tell me I smelled weird. Keep in mind I've been living stealth, full time, for over 20 years. I just kind of looked at him quizzically. Sure I was sweaty, but I don't generally stink as a whole... certainly not like HIM. It might've been the combination of sweat and dampness on my clothing too, who knows. I'm androgen resistant, this I know 100% true (My testosterone count is always either unreadable or rather low)... so certainly I don't think I ever smelled 'like a guy' to others. Maybe its my imagination. The only real stares I get for the most part are in relation to my height. I still get a lot of 'deer in headlight' stares like I'm some kind of exotic creature.. but none of the face screwed up in distaste stare.
Maybe its pheromones.. maybe something else. Who knows. I don't think even the people doing it really do, its probably some subconscious thing.
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: DawnOday on October 08, 2017, 10:52:59 PM
Post by: DawnOday on October 08, 2017, 10:52:59 PM
I have noticed since starting HRT that no matter how many showers I take I still get a yeasty smell to my groin.
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Stevie on October 08, 2017, 11:13:56 PM
Post by: Stevie on October 08, 2017, 11:13:56 PM
Quote from: markie on October 08, 2017, 07:05:04 PM
I think the problem guys are the ones who are latent bisexuals and can't except themselves... Their the ones to watch out for
Not gay because gay men like men
I don't think it has anything to do with being bisexual. I had been presenting as female for 8 months prior to this with no problems. I think after starting HRT there was an attraction to my increasing feminine aura that he could not reconcile with his knowing I was trans. He feared he was being attracted to a male instead of woman, a trans woman but none the less still a woman. His primitive thought process could not understand that trans women are women and that attraction to us is normal. His reaction to this was an attempt to prove he was still hetro to himself.
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Jessica on October 08, 2017, 11:33:12 PM
Post by: Jessica on October 08, 2017, 11:33:12 PM
Hi Jessie 🙋. I think it may be pheromones also. Though I've always been outgoing and interact with others and seem to receive the same openness from most. What I am now is more aware of it and that makes me happy and feel real good. Our bodies are changing, physically, mentally and chemically. It all is part of learning to be feminine in body and soul.
Hugs, Jessica 💁
Hugs, Jessica 💁
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Drexy/Drex on October 09, 2017, 12:20:10 AM
Post by: Drexy/Drex on October 09, 2017, 12:20:10 AM
Quote from: Stevie on October 08, 2017, 11:13:56 PM
I don't think it has anything to do with being bisexual. I had been presenting as female for 8 months prior to this with no problems. I think after starting HRT there was an attraction to my increasing feminine aura that he could not reconcile with his knowing I was trans. He feared he was being attracted to a male instead of woman, a trans woman but none the less still a woman. His primitive thought process could not understand that trans women are women and that attraction to us is normal. His reaction to this was an attempt to prove he was still hetro to himself.
That makes sense, and I think perhaps on a subconscious primitive level that might be happening in my workplace which includes the camp etc, like the younger guys who kinda hero worshiped me and so were so focused on me already are giving themselves a hard time with this confusion
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Drexy/Drex on October 09, 2017, 12:23:41 AM
Post by: Drexy/Drex on October 09, 2017, 12:23:41 AM
Quote from: Jessica on October 08, 2017, 11:33:12 PM
Hi Jessie 🙋. I think it may be pheromones also. Though I've always been outgoing and interact with others and seem to receive the same openness from most. What I am now is more aware of it and that makes me happy and feel real good. Our bodies are changing, physically, mentally and chemically. It all is part of learning to be feminine in body and soul.
Hugs, Jessica 💁
Jessica yes thats true of all I have got from hrt so the most important thing I've now found is the peace of mind and happiness I could actually if I had to or wanted be quite content with just that alone, it's amazing how much clearer thinking now is
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Doreen on October 09, 2017, 02:27:17 AM
Post by: Doreen on October 09, 2017, 02:27:17 AM
Quote from: markie on October 09, 2017, 12:23:41 AM
Jessica yes thats true of all I have got from hrt so the most important thing I've now found is the peace of mind and happiness I could actually if I had to or wanted be quite content with just that alone, it's amazing how much clearer thinking now is
I think what I gained from HRT is slightly more stamina... I don't feel so 'worn thin' anymore. Perhaps a little more emotional than normal, though I was always pretty emotional to begin with. Hard to tell after all these years, but it does feel much better being on HRT than the times I went off.
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: Drexy/Drex on October 12, 2017, 05:39:23 AM
Post by: Drexy/Drex on October 12, 2017, 05:39:23 AM
Well.... had my first distinctly uncomfortable experience... I was sitting in a corner of the wet mess having drinks with work mates...the way the seating was there was no where else for them to look but at me one of them started to look confused and fearful then the female gym coach came around as she was selling raffle tickets when she looks at me and looked up and said I didn't want any as she looked at me her smile went to I guess confusion.. perhaps disbelief my mate soon left....
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on October 12, 2017, 02:11:24 PM
Post by: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on October 12, 2017, 02:11:24 PM
Quote from: Julia1996 on October 04, 2017, 10:59:28 AMSorry I didn't reply sooner, ran out of minutes on my phone. Anyway I'm so sorry that your mom said that about you... That's awful. You're not a mess! From reading your posts you seem well balanced, that's why I thought you had been raised as a girl. The only "mess" parents of TG children make is when they force them to be something they're not, like my parents did to me. I'm 33 & I have to start a whole new life... I don't even know who I am... But it's ok. I'm just happy to finally have the chance to find myself. It's been hard, but kinda fun to discover what my interests & stuff are! With that background I'm very surprised your dad took it as well as he did, maybe where he already had sons it wasn't as important to him for you to be masculine. And also surprising that your mom was the one to object... is she more accepting now? Did your family begin using proper pronouns pretty quickly? If you don't mind me asking, of course. I find other trans people's journeys very interesting; despite all of our lives being so different, there are many common hurdles, & themes, I guess you could say. I LOVE writing, & I've been keeping a diary of my own journey, & I think it would be really cool to interview other trans people & get their stories, and publish a compilation of them or something, someday...
No, unfortunately I didn't grow up as a girl. I was an androgynous, extremely feminine boy. Thankfully my dad never pushed masculine behavior on me. He had tried doing that when I was very young but I was very resistant to it and he gave up. He wouldn't let me wear actual female clothes but he let me wear gender neutral clothes in any color I wanted. Even pink, which I wore often.lol. I had had such extreme fits when he tried to take me to get haircuts that he just gave up when I was about nine. I refused to go to a hair salon or barber shop so he would cut a couple of inches off it himself once in a while to keep it from growing to my butt. Lol. When I was 14 I started using make up. The first time my dad saw me with make up he all he did was ask me if I knew it made me look like a girl and was I sure I wanted to go out like that. Then he told my brother to keep an eye on me and make sure the other kids didn't mess with me. I think that's why my brother tends to be over protective at times even now.
I'm extremely lucky that my father was so accepting. It's kind of surprising considering his background. (Marine corps and now a cop) My mom wasn't very accepting but all she really did was just bitch about it. She did once tell my dad that he had made this mess (she was talking about me) and don't come crying to her when I grew up to be a drag queen. Lol. So it was no surprise to my dad or brother that I'm trans.
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Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: paula lesley on October 12, 2017, 03:09:47 PM
Post by: paula lesley on October 12, 2017, 03:09:47 PM
Hi, JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ.
I'd just like to wish you luck and send you love+huggs. You are an inspiration.
Paula, X.
I'd just like to wish you luck and send you love+huggs. You are an inspiration.
Paula, X.
Title: Re: Subconscious awareness of HRT?
Post by: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on October 14, 2017, 09:23:22 AM
Post by: JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ on October 14, 2017, 09:23:22 AM
Quote from: paula lesley on October 12, 2017, 03:09:47 PMAwww! Thanks Paula, you're very sweet!! <hugs> right back atcha!! :)
Hi, JessiCalypsoƸ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ.
I'd just like to wish you luck and send you love+huggs. You are an inspiration.
Paula, X.
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