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Title: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on October 30, 2017, 11:21:15 AM
Post by: Artesia on October 30, 2017, 11:21:15 AM
Got home last night. Sat and talked with my wife. She is going to be leaving me. I don't know exactly when we will part ways, but she can't stay with a woman, and wants me to be happy. It's fresh in my mind, and heart. This is going to be hard for me. I love her, and wish we could stay together, but I understand that she needs to be happy too. I just wish we could have been able to stay together. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
I didn't sleep well, up most of the night crying. Still feel the tears. Just want to get it out. Needed someone to talk to. Everyone here is so supportive, I figured it might help, at least a little.
I didn't sleep well, up most of the night crying. Still feel the tears. Just want to get it out. Needed someone to talk to. Everyone here is so supportive, I figured it might help, at least a little.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Laurie on October 30, 2017, 11:31:26 AM
Post by: Laurie on October 30, 2017, 11:31:26 AM
Hi Artesia,
I am so sorry of this lousy event in your life. It hurts, really hurts. With me being escorted from my home an being served with a restraining order was the first of several things that's sent be into a 2 year+ depression, the worst in my life. I was devastated as I am sure you are. I urge you to talk to your therapist as soon as possibly.
As you know many of us here have been in the place you are now, It is survivable and you can get through this Artesia. I have faith in you, girl. Others here will probably be of more help to you than I could be and I hope you accept their help.
Hugs,
Laurie
I am so sorry of this lousy event in your life. It hurts, really hurts. With me being escorted from my home an being served with a restraining order was the first of several things that's sent be into a 2 year+ depression, the worst in my life. I was devastated as I am sure you are. I urge you to talk to your therapist as soon as possibly.
As you know many of us here have been in the place you are now, It is survivable and you can get through this Artesia. I have faith in you, girl. Others here will probably be of more help to you than I could be and I hope you accept their help.
Hugs,
Laurie
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Paige on October 30, 2017, 01:47:16 PM
Post by: Paige on October 30, 2017, 01:47:16 PM
Hi Artesia,
I'm so sorry to hear this. I'm figuring this is in my future if I transition, this is the only reason I held back but it seems inevitable that I will need to do it and we will need to break up. It's a tough road we walk.
Wishing you all the best,
Paige :)
I'm so sorry to hear this. I'm figuring this is in my future if I transition, this is the only reason I held back but it seems inevitable that I will need to do it and we will need to break up. It's a tough road we walk.
Wishing you all the best,
Paige :)
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: MaryT on October 30, 2017, 02:03:16 PM
Post by: MaryT on October 30, 2017, 02:03:16 PM
Hi,
I hardly know what to say. It feels strange seeing you happy and smiling in those recent photos, and then to find that you have just received such sad news.
I wish you happiness in the future.
I hardly know what to say. It feels strange seeing you happy and smiling in those recent photos, and then to find that you have just received such sad news.
I wish you happiness in the future.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Megan. on October 30, 2017, 02:09:29 PM
Post by: Megan. on October 30, 2017, 02:09:29 PM
Hugs from me. X
It's hard for all parties when this happens, PM me if you need to talk.
Megan.
It's hard for all parties when this happens, PM me if you need to talk.
Megan.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: RobynD on October 30, 2017, 06:26:04 PM
Post by: RobynD on October 30, 2017, 06:26:04 PM
So very sorry. It hurts so much. My own spouse and i are going through a distant period and i'm not sure what the future will bring. Feel free to reach out to me also via PM.
Robyn
Robyn
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on October 30, 2017, 07:29:20 PM
Post by: Artesia on October 30, 2017, 07:29:20 PM
Thank you all. I will probably reach out periodically over the next few days. I know this will pass, in time. It is fresh in my mind.
Then this morning she curls my hair. It looked really good! Except the tears. Been having a hard time smiling at all, today. Managed to pop one or two off, but they were short lived. My next therapy appointment is on the eleventh. First one with the new therapist, so it'll be a totally new experience.
I am so confused, and hurt. I just need to figure things out. She says she loves Steve, but hates Claire because she killed him.
At least, I get to go get my beard burned off on the first. Still not a substitute.
Then this morning she curls my hair. It looked really good! Except the tears. Been having a hard time smiling at all, today. Managed to pop one or two off, but they were short lived. My next therapy appointment is on the eleventh. First one with the new therapist, so it'll be a totally new experience.
I am so confused, and hurt. I just need to figure things out. She says she loves Steve, but hates Claire because she killed him.
At least, I get to go get my beard burned off on the first. Still not a substitute.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Becca Kay on October 30, 2017, 07:36:36 PM
Post by: Becca Kay on October 30, 2017, 07:36:36 PM
I know how you feel. When I told my wife she said to me that she's "not a lesbian." So we're splitting up. :(
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: LizK on October 30, 2017, 08:28:34 PM
Post by: LizK on October 30, 2017, 08:28:34 PM
It is very sad when this happens and my heart goes out to you both.
I understand your confusion as on the one had they love you but not the "real" you...is there any possibility of you staying together as friends for awhile to ease the emotional and financial burden on you both...at least in the short term
I understand your confusion as on the one had they love you but not the "real" you...is there any possibility of you staying together as friends for awhile to ease the emotional and financial burden on you both...at least in the short term
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on October 30, 2017, 09:40:44 PM
Post by: Artesia on October 30, 2017, 09:40:44 PM
Quote from: ElizabethK on October 30, 2017, 08:28:34 PM
It is very sad when this happens and my heart goes out to you both.
I understand your confusion as on the one had they love you but not the "real" you...is there any possibility of you staying together as friends for awhile to ease the emotional and financial burden on you both...at least in the short term
I honestly don't know. We have a dog together, she's not going to understand why we don't stay together anymore. We're staying at my parents house until we find a place....I just always assumed it would be together. I don't know how long she will be staying with me. I'm kind of in the dark about how things will progress. To make matters worse, my dad wants us out of the house ASAP, and I still haven't found a real job.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Dani2118 on October 30, 2017, 10:05:35 PM
Post by: Dani2118 on October 30, 2017, 10:05:35 PM
Hang in there Artesia! I think we live on a crazy roller coaster. Remember the good times on the bad days and make more of those good memories when you can. You'll miss her and think your gonna die, but you will survive. I used to scoff at 'patience' but I'm learning it the hard way. It sounds like your dad is your biggest problem. You need a job ASAP so you can get on with life! The hardest thing we have to do in life sometimes is to let go of loved ones.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Charlie Nicki on October 30, 2017, 10:39:01 PM
Post by: Charlie Nicki on October 30, 2017, 10:39:01 PM
So sorry for that, but if it's any consolation it has happened to many of us. It happened to me 2 and a half months ago and I'm already feeling so much better, so you can definitely get through this. Focus on yourself and your journey and most importantly, don't ever blame yourself for what's happening. We tend to do that and it is not healthy or real.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: tgirlamg on October 31, 2017, 12:09:55 AM
Post by: tgirlamg on October 31, 2017, 12:09:55 AM
Hi Artesia!
So sorry you are going through some hard stuff right now sister... This process of transformation is filled with some of the hardest times but please keep hope in your heart because you will get through this dark period and new, unexpected, joyful and amazing things lay ahead...
I've told people when I do speaking engagements that starting transition is much like telling everyone you know that you are climbing a huge mountain...
Some of them... even those closest to us, may not want to make the journey with you....Others may try to climb with us with the best intention of completing the journey with you...but find along the way, that their path is elsewhere and does not lead to the top where we are going... Bless them for being a part of your life and bid them safe travels... We can lose people along the way but new faces take their place to care for us and to be cared for by us... this journey is about our connections to others and the world around us.... Have a good climb sister!!!
Onward we go...
Ashley :)
So sorry you are going through some hard stuff right now sister... This process of transformation is filled with some of the hardest times but please keep hope in your heart because you will get through this dark period and new, unexpected, joyful and amazing things lay ahead...
I've told people when I do speaking engagements that starting transition is much like telling everyone you know that you are climbing a huge mountain...
Some of them... even those closest to us, may not want to make the journey with you....Others may try to climb with us with the best intention of completing the journey with you...but find along the way, that their path is elsewhere and does not lead to the top where we are going... Bless them for being a part of your life and bid them safe travels... We can lose people along the way but new faces take their place to care for us and to be cared for by us... this journey is about our connections to others and the world around us.... Have a good climb sister!!!
Onward we go...
Ashley :)
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on October 31, 2017, 07:51:17 AM
Post by: Artesia on October 31, 2017, 07:51:17 AM
Quote from: tgirlamc on October 31, 2017, 12:09:55 AM
Hi Artesia!
So sorry you are going through some hard stuff right now sister... This process of transformation is filled with some of the hardest times but please keep hope in your heart because you will get through this dark period and new, unexpected, joyful and amazing things lay ahead...
I've told people when I do speaking engagements that starting transition is much like telling everyone you know that you are climbing a huge mountain...
Some of them... even those closest to us, may not want to make the journey with you....Others may try to climb with us with the best intention of completing the journey with you...but find along the way, that their path is elsewhere and does not lead to the top where we are going... Bless them for being a part of your life and bid them safe travels... We can lose people along the way but new faces take their place to care for us and to be cared for by us... this journey is about our connections to others and the world around us.... Have a good climb sister!!!
Onward we go...
Ashley :)
That is beautiful! Are you a poet? You craft a very appealing metaphor.
Still a bit down, but that made me cry in a different way than yesterday. I know all things will pass. It's just so hard to see it when the moment is so fresh. At least I can look forward to tomorrow.
I really wish I could meet all of you ladies, your words have been so helpful, before, now, and I'm sure in the future.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Toni on October 31, 2017, 09:34:12 AM
Post by: Toni on October 31, 2017, 09:34:12 AM
So sorry to hear that, Artesia. My wife and I are still together, but we both realize that we can't predict how we will feel in the future because we have never been there before. It's easy for us to think "I'm still here, the real me hasn't gone away", but I have come to realize that that's not true. We are different than we used to be and living with us is different than it used to be. It's no ones fault but it doesn't hurt any less when the differences become too much for someone to accept. As you become more of who you really are you will start to see many things through different eyes, doors will open that you couldn't see before and of the billions of people on this planet, others will see and accept you. It will happen. Keep talking and getting your feelings out in the open and you'll get through this. Hugs, Toni
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: tgirlamg on October 31, 2017, 10:47:55 AM
Post by: tgirlamg on October 31, 2017, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: Artesia on October 31, 2017, 07:51:17 AM
That is beautiful! Are you a poet? You craft a very appealing metaphor.
Still a bit down, but that made me cry in a different way than yesterday. I know all things will pass. It's just so hard to see it when the moment is so fresh. At least I can look forward to tomorrow.
I really wish I could meet all of you ladies, your words have been so helpful, before, now, and I'm sure in the future.
Thank You Sister!!!... I certainly wouldn't call myself a poet but putting myself in a place where I am speaking to rooms full of strangers about the things I've experienced, led me to seek out ways to describe it in terms that would be relatable, understandable and visual...
I have seen so many, here on this forum and elsewhere, paralyzed with the fear of moving forward because they don't want to face situations like you are now immersed in.... fear can be such an obstacle to happiness... in the end though, it is an obstacle of our own making... I always loved the words of Ranier Maria Rilke in Letters To A Young Poet...
"Our fears are like dragons guarding our deepest treasures"
I commend and celebrate you for facing the dragons my dear sister... you WILL find the treasure that lays beyond them.... the treasure of a life well lived and one that is truly your own
I hope you will continue to post on this aspect of your journey! There are many here who would benefit to see that it is possible to let go of the familiarity and security of our long time relationships and move forward with courage and hope!!!
All will be well
Onward we go brave sister!
Ashley ❤️
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on November 01, 2017, 05:33:52 PM
Post by: Artesia on November 01, 2017, 05:33:52 PM
Quote from: tgirlamc on October 31, 2017, 10:47:55 AM
Thank You Sister!!!... I certainly wouldn't call myself a poet but putting myself in a place where I am speaking to rooms full of strangers about the things I've experienced, led me to seek out ways to describe it in terms that would be relatable, understandable and visual...
I have seen so many, here on this forum and elsewhere, paralyzed with the fear of moving forward because they don't want to face situations like you are now immersed in.... fear can be such an obstacle to happiness... in the end though, it is an obstacle of our own making... I always loved the words of Ranier Maria Rilke in Letters To A Young Poet...
"Our fears are like dragons guarding our deepest treasures"
I commend and celebrate you for facing the dragons my dear sister... you WILL find the treasure that lays beyond them.... the treasure of a life well lived and one that is truly your own
I hope you will continue to post on this aspect of your journey! There are many here who would benefit to see that it is possible to let go of the familiarity and security of our long time relationships and move forward with courage and hope!!!
All will be well
Onward we go brave sister!
Ashley ❤️
I will continue to post about this part of my journey.
As of today, I am feeling a twinge of sadness, but my wife....dang it, close friend, has sat and talked with me about things. She still wants to spend time together, just not as spouses. She wishes to continue helping with my transition, and wants us to share our dog. She wants us to live in the same apartment complex, but not live in the same apartment itself. She has been mindful of my feelings, and has been pretty caring about how we discuss the break up.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Denise on November 01, 2017, 07:02:49 PM
Post by: Denise on November 01, 2017, 07:02:49 PM
Artesia, it's okay to cry. Cry long and let it out. I have spent hours crying but it has slowed down and it only happens on occasion now. But as I move on with my life and she with hers we are both discovering our true selves.
You will come out better in the end and so will she. It sounds like you can remain friends and that's important. My soon-to-be-ex and I see each other whenever we can. She may actually stay the night on Friday at my place "in the city".
Let it out, remember all the good and the bad it's what has made you who you are.
Love and Hugs
- Denise
You will come out better in the end and so will she. It sounds like you can remain friends and that's important. My soon-to-be-ex and I see each other whenever we can. She may actually stay the night on Friday at my place "in the city".
Let it out, remember all the good and the bad it's what has made you who you are.
Love and Hugs
- Denise
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Colleen_definitely on November 01, 2017, 07:41:51 PM
Post by: Colleen_definitely on November 01, 2017, 07:41:51 PM
I've spent so much time crying it's not even funny. I couldn't imagine being in your situation Artesia.
The good news is you're tough and you can make it through, and she sounds willing to help. It's not exactly what you want but it might just end up being exactly what you need.
The good news is you're tough and you can make it through, and she sounds willing to help. It's not exactly what you want but it might just end up being exactly what you need.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: tgirlamg on November 01, 2017, 08:57:31 PM
Post by: tgirlamg on November 01, 2017, 08:57:31 PM
Wise words Denise and Colleen!!!
Artesia... You are moving through the darkness but the dawn of a new life is arriving just ahead
Hugs!!!
A 😀❤️🌻
Artesia... You are moving through the darkness but the dawn of a new life is arriving just ahead
Hugs!!!
A 😀❤️🌻
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on November 03, 2017, 03:42:28 PM
Post by: Artesia on November 03, 2017, 03:42:28 PM
Well, today is another down day. I left to work out of town, and my soon to be ex is out looking for an apartment for her. We discussed the dog, and I get to keep her, which isn't as good a thing as you'd think, she likes my wife more than she does me, so I'm going to get a depressed dog, with lots of allergies, and several cysts that we haven't been able to afford removing.
We are supposed to remain in contact, but who know how that will work out. Being further away from her makes me feel worse.
I'm sure this up/down emotional swings won't last for ever, but right now they're kicking my butt.
We are supposed to remain in contact, but who know how that will work out. Being further away from her makes me feel worse.
I'm sure this up/down emotional swings won't last for ever, but right now they're kicking my butt.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: tgirlamg on November 03, 2017, 09:18:44 PM
Post by: tgirlamg on November 03, 2017, 09:18:44 PM
Quote from: Artesia on November 03, 2017, 03:42:28 PM
I'm sure this up/down emotional swings won't last for ever, but right now they're kicking my butt.
Hey Artesia!
I'm sorry you are still feeling the painful side of the changes to your closest relationship but it heartens me to see that you recognize that time will bring healing!.... Stay strong and take good care of yourself!... All will be well
Hugs!!!
A :)
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on November 03, 2017, 10:01:17 PM
Post by: Artesia on November 03, 2017, 10:01:17 PM
Quote from: tgirlamc on November 03, 2017, 09:18:44 PM
Hey Artesia!
I'm sorry you are still feeling the painful side of the changes to your closest relationship but it heartens me to see that you recognize that time will bring healing!.... Stay strong and take good care of yourself!... All will be well
Hugs!!!
A :)
Thank you. It's only been a couple days, so I'm sure it will take a while. We've been together for 16 years. That's a lot of togetherness to lose.
I'm, typically, a logic person. She brought out the emotional side. She made me better.
Now, I have to navigate life without her support.
It's going to be hard.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: tgirlamg on November 03, 2017, 10:25:26 PM
Post by: tgirlamg on November 03, 2017, 10:25:26 PM
I had a wonderful 17 year relationship with a very special woman... We are still the best of friends and she was my maid of honor when I married my husband... Things will always be different between you two but the relationship may endure and adapt in beautiful and unexpected ways!!!
Onward we go sister!
Ashley :)
Onward we go sister!
Ashley :)
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on November 05, 2017, 06:42:19 AM
Post by: Artesia on November 05, 2017, 06:42:19 AM
I don't understand it....She is leaving me, but she still tells me she loves me. She still wants the hugs, and wants me to tell her I love her too. She wants me to live close to her. I'm at a loss about what to do, and how to react.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on November 09, 2017, 01:23:10 PM
Post by: Artesia on November 09, 2017, 01:23:10 PM
So....Yeah.....We talked on the phone today after work. I am working out of town, again. Today she said that we may end up staying together because she can't find a low income apartment available for a single person. Don't get me wrong, I want her to stay with me, but I don't want it to be because circumstances made it be that way. I want her to choose me. What I wonder, is if it is her way to change her mind, and not look like she was changing her mind.
Then, to make matters worse, I accepted a request to go on a date.* My wife kept saying, "if you find someone, go see what happens." Is it cheating to do this? I haven't told her about the date yet, but I will before I go out on it. The girl who asked me out on the date, knows that I am still married, and that I have reservations about dating this soon. She said she understands, and that we'll see what happens.
*She asked for a date with Claire, and she is one of the few people who immediately changed what she called me, and my pronouns, when I came out to her. We work at the same facility, and had a good working relationship, and it became more friendly after I began to transition, and even more so since I stopped being a manager.
Then, to make matters worse, I accepted a request to go on a date.* My wife kept saying, "if you find someone, go see what happens." Is it cheating to do this? I haven't told her about the date yet, but I will before I go out on it. The girl who asked me out on the date, knows that I am still married, and that I have reservations about dating this soon. She said she understands, and that we'll see what happens.
*She asked for a date with Claire, and she is one of the few people who immediately changed what she called me, and my pronouns, when I came out to her. We work at the same facility, and had a good working relationship, and it became more friendly after I began to transition, and even more so since I stopped being a manager.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Charlie Nicki on November 09, 2017, 02:11:33 PM
Post by: Charlie Nicki on November 09, 2017, 02:11:33 PM
Quote from: Artesia on November 09, 2017, 01:23:10 PM
Then, to make matters worse, I accepted a request to go on a date.* My wife kept saying, "if you find someone, go see what happens." Is it cheating to do this? I haven't told her about the date yet, but I will before I go out on it. The girl who asked me out on the date, knows that I am still married, and that I have reservations about dating this soon. She said she understands, and that we'll see what happens.
Well if your wife said she's fine with you dating I think you should try. I wouldn't really tell her anything unless it actually evolves to something serious, since it can make things unnecessarily awkward.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on November 09, 2017, 04:51:04 PM
Post by: Artesia on November 09, 2017, 04:51:04 PM
Quote from: Charlie Nicki on November 09, 2017, 02:11:33 PM
Well if your wife said she's fine with you dating I think you should try. I wouldn't really tell her anything unless it actually evolves to something serious, since it can make things unnecessarily awkward.
I don't think we can make this any less unnecessarily awkward. Living with my parents, she is (maybe) leaving me, and we sleep in the same bed because it is the only one available.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: tgirlamg on November 09, 2017, 09:31:05 PM
Post by: tgirlamg on November 09, 2017, 09:31:05 PM
Hey Artesia!
It sounds like you have a lot to navigate here but as hard as it may be to make the "correct" choice or choose the "correct" path... I want you to rejoice in the fact that these are choices born through the building of a new life,... a life truly your own... all will be well ...for all decisions at this point... lead to Claire
Enjoy every moment sister!... even the hard ones!... Onward we go brave sister
Hugs!!!
Ashley ❤️🌻😀
It sounds like you have a lot to navigate here but as hard as it may be to make the "correct" choice or choose the "correct" path... I want you to rejoice in the fact that these are choices born through the building of a new life,... a life truly your own... all will be well ...for all decisions at this point... lead to Claire
Enjoy every moment sister!... even the hard ones!... Onward we go brave sister
Hugs!!!
Ashley ❤️🌻😀
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: jthomp.abslutebu on November 10, 2017, 10:03:02 AM
Post by: jthomp.abslutebu on November 10, 2017, 10:03:02 AM
Hello.
This may sound bad. I am speaking to you from the "staying with wife". I really want you to know that staying together is not roses. I have a wonderful friend but I am lonely now. I have no way to have a future I have to get a divorce to be able to move on with my life. I am trapped in a loveless marriage. So please think before you choose to stay if someone has a chance. It is hell. Imagine not having a way to express how much you love someone.
Jennifer
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This may sound bad. I am speaking to you from the "staying with wife". I really want you to know that staying together is not roses. I have a wonderful friend but I am lonely now. I have no way to have a future I have to get a divorce to be able to move on with my life. I am trapped in a loveless marriage. So please think before you choose to stay if someone has a chance. It is hell. Imagine not having a way to express how much you love someone.
Jennifer
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Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: JennyChilds87 on November 10, 2017, 12:14:23 PM
Post by: JennyChilds87 on November 10, 2017, 12:14:23 PM
Hi Artesia,
I feel your pain it must be hard but you must remember that even in a relationship with somebody it is you that makes you happy! You must love this woman dearly but love is blind and that's why it hurts because love can't see why things have to change. Some say it's an emotion but I don't think it is because emotions are breaf triggered moments of changes in feeling that aley in time. Love is different, it doesn't die or ware off you have to either change it or destroy it. I know it's hard to love somebody as a friend after being with them that's why so many people destroy the love with negativity just to get over it but you should show your true rainbow colours and be happy for yourself and be happy for your wife as after all you are here, alive breathing the air of this day and each day has the chance to be the best day of your life. It might not seem like it now but you will make you happy again your good at it you got through your life to here remember!
Warm hugs.
Jenx
I feel your pain it must be hard but you must remember that even in a relationship with somebody it is you that makes you happy! You must love this woman dearly but love is blind and that's why it hurts because love can't see why things have to change. Some say it's an emotion but I don't think it is because emotions are breaf triggered moments of changes in feeling that aley in time. Love is different, it doesn't die or ware off you have to either change it or destroy it. I know it's hard to love somebody as a friend after being with them that's why so many people destroy the love with negativity just to get over it but you should show your true rainbow colours and be happy for yourself and be happy for your wife as after all you are here, alive breathing the air of this day and each day has the chance to be the best day of your life. It might not seem like it now but you will make you happy again your good at it you got through your life to here remember!
Warm hugs.
Jenx
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: MsMarlo on November 11, 2017, 12:41:49 AM
Post by: MsMarlo on November 11, 2017, 12:41:49 AM
Hey there, kiddo- I am really sorry to hear what you are going through, as it is too common an occurrence. From what I understand, the split-up is amicable, so that is a good thing. I do not remember reading about any kids, and if that is indeed the case, that is a good thing as well.
I am not going to bore you with any philosophy lessons right now. You are going to hurt, and it is not going to go away overnight. Just remember that while you may be feeling devastating sorrow at the present time, that sorrow and hurt will only make you stronger and in fact wiser. Remember that each day you hurt is a day closer to healing.
Also, remember that you have all of us over here; so you have someone to talk to, even if it is just to vent.
Meeting someone new? Nothing wrong with that, so long as it is in a public place and there are no intentions for anything but the date, you should be fine. I have seen a lot of cheating, and experienced it over the years; trust me, you are not cheating. There have to be boundaries this early on, and those boundaries need to be respected (especially yours).
You are in a good position though, as at least your wife wants to stay friends. You can still love each other and care for each other even if you are not married; sounds like she is willing to be a girlfriend; Stay close, and maybe go out and do some shopping with her for clothes, make-up, whatever. I mean, you never know.
Nothing but positive thoughts for you, sweetie and stay safe :-)
M
I am not going to bore you with any philosophy lessons right now. You are going to hurt, and it is not going to go away overnight. Just remember that while you may be feeling devastating sorrow at the present time, that sorrow and hurt will only make you stronger and in fact wiser. Remember that each day you hurt is a day closer to healing.
Also, remember that you have all of us over here; so you have someone to talk to, even if it is just to vent.
Meeting someone new? Nothing wrong with that, so long as it is in a public place and there are no intentions for anything but the date, you should be fine. I have seen a lot of cheating, and experienced it over the years; trust me, you are not cheating. There have to be boundaries this early on, and those boundaries need to be respected (especially yours).
You are in a good position though, as at least your wife wants to stay friends. You can still love each other and care for each other even if you are not married; sounds like she is willing to be a girlfriend; Stay close, and maybe go out and do some shopping with her for clothes, make-up, whatever. I mean, you never know.
Nothing but positive thoughts for you, sweetie and stay safe :-)
M
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on November 12, 2017, 10:30:57 PM
Post by: Artesia on November 12, 2017, 10:30:57 PM
Arrived home today.....got pounced on by my wife, a 5 minute long hug, then several more throughout the rest of the day. She has been pretty klingy. I've been gone for 10 days, and spoke with her most days on the phone, as well as via text/messenger. Had to finish homework, and she is waiting up for me to come to bed.....and we're going to sleep under the same covers tonight, her decision, something we haven't done in years.
For my upcoming date....she is aware of my situation with my wife. She is also the nice young lady I'm with in the photo in the "you look fabulous darling" thread. She decided that for our date she is getting my ears pierced for me. The date is Wednesday Nov 15.
For my upcoming date....she is aware of my situation with my wife. She is also the nice young lady I'm with in the photo in the "you look fabulous darling" thread. She decided that for our date she is getting my ears pierced for me. The date is Wednesday Nov 15.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on November 14, 2017, 05:27:16 PM
Post by: Artesia on November 14, 2017, 05:27:16 PM
Couldn't stand not telling her about accepting the date. I was feeling real guilty for accepting it. We both have been cheated on, and neither of us wanted to do that to the other. So I told her about the date. She was happy that someone asked...she told me to make sure I kiss her at the end of the date. She asked me about her, so I told her. She wants to meet her to make sure she'll be good for me. Told me to tell her that my wife plans on being a part of my life, just not romantically. Apparently, what she has been doing is how she treated her friends when she was younger.
This is my first separation/break up, that hasn't resulted in us never seeing each other again. It's completely new territory for me. I have so much to learn.
How do I change the title? This no longer applies...maybe it should be: "Navigating the changes in a relationship"
This is my first separation/break up, that hasn't resulted in us never seeing each other again. It's completely new territory for me. I have so much to learn.
How do I change the title? This no longer applies...maybe it should be: "Navigating the changes in a relationship"
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: tgirlamg on November 14, 2017, 06:49:25 PM
Post by: tgirlamg on November 14, 2017, 06:49:25 PM
Artesia!
Dear sister... So happy to see the pain of change falling away and being replaced with new doors of possibility opening for you!!! Life is truly an amazing ride and it seems you are coming to see that your life can be navigated as you see fit... Our connections may change but love and caring endures and adapts!!!
I am happy and excited for you!!!... Your life awaits and you my dear sister hold the steering wheel...
Onward we go...
Ashley :)
Dear sister... So happy to see the pain of change falling away and being replaced with new doors of possibility opening for you!!! Life is truly an amazing ride and it seems you are coming to see that your life can be navigated as you see fit... Our connections may change but love and caring endures and adapts!!!
I am happy and excited for you!!!... Your life awaits and you my dear sister hold the steering wheel...
Onward we go...
Ashley :)
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Dena on November 14, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
Post by: Dena on November 14, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
Quote from: Artesia on November 14, 2017, 05:27:16 PMYou can report the first post with your request and a moderator will retitle the thread for you. It's relatively easy to retitle the entire thread if that's what you desire.
How do I change the title? This no longer applies...maybe it should be: "Navigating the changes in a relationship"
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on November 16, 2017, 05:59:37 AM
Post by: Artesia on November 16, 2017, 05:59:37 AM
Quote from: Dena on November 14, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
You can report the first post with your request and a moderator will retitle the thread for you. It's relatively easy to retitle the entire thread if that's what you desire.
Thank you Dena! I think it would be easier for people who are also having this change to find, and possibly help, in the future. The support from everyone, and what has been said, has been helpful to me. It may be helpful to someone else in the future. Having my feelings about it all in one place may help someone else navigate the changes. Of course, everyone has their own time frame for acceptance, and healing. I'm fairly resilient, so my changes may be faster than someone else; and somewhere out there, there is someone who will try to figure out what took me so long.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on November 16, 2017, 10:19:09 AM
Post by: Artesia on November 16, 2017, 10:19:09 AM
So, as we've seen elsewhere, my date went well. I talked to my wife about it, and she was happy for me. She even said something about me getting "busy" with my date. No, it didn't happen, but the girl is wonderful, and I kind of wanted it to. I'm trying to figure out why my wife thought I'd do the nasty with someone on the first date? Maybe it's the third, me and her have gone out a couple times before, just to hang out, where the other people who were supposed to come bailed out on us.....I'm feeling like I was set up to date her now.
It's all good, I enjoy her company. Tomorrow...movies. Sunday, I go home and talk with my wife more, and maybe go see Thor: Ragnarok. It's her birthday movie. We need to talk about the boundaries, and where they are now. Still learning how to respond to things. At least she's being supportive.
It's all good, I enjoy her company. Tomorrow...movies. Sunday, I go home and talk with my wife more, and maybe go see Thor: Ragnarok. It's her birthday movie. We need to talk about the boundaries, and where they are now. Still learning how to respond to things. At least she's being supportive.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: tgirlamg on November 16, 2017, 10:53:09 AM
Post by: tgirlamg on November 16, 2017, 10:53:09 AM
Claire!
The tone of this thread and your life has changed beautifully in a short period of time... Let it serve as example to all who find themselves in a dark section of their journey... Hold hope in your heart and keep moving forward towards the light.... All will be well :)
Onward we go!!!
Ashley :)
The tone of this thread and your life has changed beautifully in a short period of time... Let it serve as example to all who find themselves in a dark section of their journey... Hold hope in your heart and keep moving forward towards the light.... All will be well :)
Onward we go!!!
Ashley :)
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on November 16, 2017, 07:34:26 PM
Post by: Artesia on November 16, 2017, 07:34:26 PM
Quote from: tgirlamc on November 16, 2017, 10:53:09 AM
Claire!
The tone of this thread and your life has changed beautifully in a short period of time... Let it serve as example to all who find themselves in a dark section of their journey... Hold hope in your heart and keep moving forward towards the light.... All will be well :)
Onward we go!!!
Ashley :)
I think my wife knows me all to well. Looking back, there were things she did for months before telling me she was leaving me.
1 : She separated things into yours, mine, ours boxes
2 : She told me, repeatedly, to not turn away a chance at a date with someone
3 : She told me , frequently, that she hadn't made up her mind if she was going to stay or go
4 : She separated things, and made "just in case" statements while separating them
5 : She told me that all of her family and friends told her to dump my stupid !@$#^%
6 : She always told me that she loves me no matter what happened
7 : She told me that she will always look out for me, even if we weren't a couple
I think all of that helped speed the healing; because, deep down, I already knew it was coming.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on January 09, 2018, 02:33:11 AM
Post by: Artesia on January 09, 2018, 02:33:11 AM
Wow, so it's only been a couple months since I started this thread. Things have progressed nicely. My ex has moved out of my parents house, and I have been helping her get her place set up. My ex and my girlfriend are now Facebook friends, and have talked on the phone a few times. My girlfriend thinks she's awesome, and that feeling is reciprocated by my ex. We had a Christmas present exchange, I got a video game, and happy tears from my girlfriend. My ex got a base and some Build a Bear's. My girlfriend got a paint set and canvas, and a Christmas Village. She loves both, and the painting stuff came from me, and the Christmas village from my ex. Both made her so happy to have received. My ex keeps telling me that my girlfriend is the woman that was meant for me. My girlfriend no longer feels as if my ex is a threat to our dating. My ex told me the divorce will be final on Valentine's day, and she said tell her "you're welcome". It's her type of joke, but it's her first Valentine's gift to my girlfriend. I have spent some time living with my girlfriend, and it just made me love her more. We spent the last few evening on group chat with her daughters. She asked me to marry her a week ago, and I said yes to her. Date to be determined, not for a couple years though. We were supposed to keep it secret for a while, but she said that were going to have a Star Wars wedding on the group chat today. Her daughters are super excited to have 2 mommies, yes they used mommy. Her grandkids are happy to have another grandma. My family still doesn't know, but they're still having a hard time accepting me as Claire. My ex has been telling me that I'm going to be marrying my Girlfriend since about the second week of dating her. She'll be finding out soon, my girlfriend is going to ask her to be in the wedding party, a bridesmaid or the maid of honor, not sure which yet. My new job has been incredibly accepting of me, and is even letting me sign paperwork with my real name, instead of my legal name. My court date for the legal name change is Feb 22, about a 44 days from now. But who's counting? My girlfriend will be moving up here in March, and living with me. We're getting an apartment together. It'll be in the same complex as my ex, and she's already pulling strings with her friends who work there to get me in quickly, so long as they have an opening in a pet building. She won't let them evict someone just for us.
A lot happened in such a short time.
As to my girlfriend and her proposal. I didn't expect it, though I should have, my ex is ALWAYS right. Some people may think it's to fast. Believe me...I get it! I would have too. This feeling I share with her is something else, something beyond, what I've ever felt to be love before. I'm ready to do anything for her. I'd get whatever she needs as soon as I can. I don't worry about anything, BUT her. I'd give my life to save hers.
I'm afraid of not having her here. I'm afraid of losing her. I'm afraid of being hurt. I just can't stop my feelings, and I don't want to. Maybe we are moving to fast. She told me that she's loved me from afar, before she knew I was getting divorced. She says she loves my heart, and my spirit. I never believed in love at first sight, and this isn't that, but it's faster than I ever thought possible! And I was trying to just have a few dates, not fall in love. She was safe, someone I'd known for a year. I never thought of her like this before. We just....happened.
Maybe, I'm a fool; I hope that I'm not.
Just keep an open mind to those around you. You never know what'll happen!
A lot happened in such a short time.
As to my girlfriend and her proposal. I didn't expect it, though I should have, my ex is ALWAYS right. Some people may think it's to fast. Believe me...I get it! I would have too. This feeling I share with her is something else, something beyond, what I've ever felt to be love before. I'm ready to do anything for her. I'd get whatever she needs as soon as I can. I don't worry about anything, BUT her. I'd give my life to save hers.
I'm afraid of not having her here. I'm afraid of losing her. I'm afraid of being hurt. I just can't stop my feelings, and I don't want to. Maybe we are moving to fast. She told me that she's loved me from afar, before she knew I was getting divorced. She says she loves my heart, and my spirit. I never believed in love at first sight, and this isn't that, but it's faster than I ever thought possible! And I was trying to just have a few dates, not fall in love. She was safe, someone I'd known for a year. I never thought of her like this before. We just....happened.
Maybe, I'm a fool; I hope that I'm not.
Just keep an open mind to those around you. You never know what'll happen!
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Toni on January 09, 2018, 10:16:47 AM
Post by: Toni on January 09, 2018, 10:16:47 AM
Claire, very happy for you that your life has found joy again. We all need that relationship that allows us to give our hearts and, hopefully, receive the same in return. There's really nothing that's more important in this world. Don't be afraid and just cherish these moments while you can. Toni
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Charlie Nicki on January 09, 2018, 10:23:34 AM
Post by: Charlie Nicki on January 09, 2018, 10:23:34 AM
Artesia, this is so awesome. I'm happy for you and how things changed for the better so fast.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on January 09, 2018, 07:37:45 PM
Post by: Artesia on January 09, 2018, 07:37:45 PM
I find it amazing that my ex is excited over this relationship too! We truly have become the best of friends. It's probably where we should have been to begin with. I hope that people will see that this is possible for them as well! Just give it time, and take the chance every once in a while. You may find something or someone amazing just around the corner.
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: LizK on January 09, 2018, 07:48:06 PM
Post by: LizK on January 09, 2018, 07:48:06 PM
Quote from: Artesia on January 09, 2018, 02:33:11 AM
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As to my girlfriend and her proposal. I didn't expect it, though I should have, my ex is ALWAYS right. Some people may think it's to fast. Believe me...I get it! I would have too. This feeling I share with her is something else, something beyond, what I've ever felt to be love before. I'm ready to do anything for her. I'd get whatever she needs as soon as I can. I don't worry about anything, BUT her. I'd give my life to save hers.
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Hi Artesia
I think I can relate....
I met my wife on the Monday, out for Dinner on the Friday, moved in a week later, married her 18 months after this and we have been together for 33 years...we are even closer now (since my transition began) that we have ever been.
When you know, you know and it is such a wonderful thing when you do find your soul mate.
Sounds like things are working out wonderfully for you.
Liz
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: tgirlamg on January 10, 2018, 02:47:57 PM
Post by: tgirlamg on January 10, 2018, 02:47:57 PM
Claire!!!
I'm smiling big time sister!!!... So happy to see how this thread has progressed from its beginnings in a place of uncertainty and some fears about what the future might hold... Once again... A testament to what can come from holding on to a bit of hope and moving bravely forward!!!!
All good things to you dear sister!!!
Hugs and Love!!!
Ashley 😀❤️🌻
I'm smiling big time sister!!!... So happy to see how this thread has progressed from its beginnings in a place of uncertainty and some fears about what the future might hold... Once again... A testament to what can come from holding on to a bit of hope and moving bravely forward!!!!
All good things to you dear sister!!!
Hugs and Love!!!
Ashley 😀❤️🌻
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on January 20, 2018, 04:01:05 PM
Post by: Artesia on January 20, 2018, 04:01:05 PM
Went to see my fiancé yesterday. She had a little family engagement party planned for us. I got to meet my future step daughters, and some of the future grandkids. I really liked that one of the girls asked me to come to the upcoming baby shower. Twice now they have used mama in reference to me...... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Can you tell I'm happy?
She said that we may want to wait to tell my parents. I've kind of bombarded them with things this past year. Being trans, getting a divorce, name change, job issues....news of an engagement might send them into a tizzy. I'm glad she was the one who suggested it, because I was afraid of that conversation.
She wants them to meet her in person, and wait a couple months to tell them. My ex already had it figured out, and is asking about the date, and neither me nor my fiancé told her.
I get giddy just talking about it!
Can you tell I'm happy?
She said that we may want to wait to tell my parents. I've kind of bombarded them with things this past year. Being trans, getting a divorce, name change, job issues....news of an engagement might send them into a tizzy. I'm glad she was the one who suggested it, because I was afraid of that conversation.
She wants them to meet her in person, and wait a couple months to tell them. My ex already had it figured out, and is asking about the date, and neither me nor my fiancé told her.
I get giddy just talking about it!
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: tgirlamg on January 20, 2018, 04:07:04 PM
Post by: tgirlamg on January 20, 2018, 04:07:04 PM
Quote from: Artesia on January 20, 2018, 04:01:05 PM
Went to see my fiancé yesterday. She had a little family engagement party planned for us. I got to meet my future step daughters, and some of the future grandkids. I really liked that one of the girls asked me to come to the upcoming baby shower. Twice now they have used mama in reference to me...... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Can you tell I'm happy?
She said that we may want to wait to tell my parents. I've kind of bombarded them with things this past year. Being trans, getting a divorce, name change, job issues....news of an engagement might send them into a tizzy. I'm glad she was the one who suggested it, because I was afraid of that conversation.
She wants them to meet her in person, and wait a couple months to tell them. My ex already had it figured out, and is asking about the date, and neither me nor my fiancé told her.
I get giddy just talking about it!
So awesome dear sister!!!... Bask in the glow!!!! 😀
Title: Re: Navigating changing relationships
Post by: Artesia on January 20, 2018, 07:27:12 PM
Post by: Artesia on January 20, 2018, 07:27:12 PM
Quote from: tgirlamc on January 20, 2018, 04:07:04 PM
So awesome dear sister!!!... Bask in the glow!!!! 😀
I am, and I'm loving every second of it!
We don't have a date set yet, but we were planning on waiting about a year. In the meantime where going to just continue trying to spend as much time together as we can. Living 2 hours apart sucks!