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Title: The Transsexual and the transpersonal
Post by: Willowitch on December 23, 2007, 03:41:31 AM
Hi

I am not sure if this is the right place for this but for me the subject is particularly relevant. When I trained as a counsellor, one of the subjects was the seven level model, in which problems can be defined in their various aspects. These are: -

Physiological - The physical aspects of the problem
Emotional - The emotional aspects of the problem
Nominative - The importance of naming and defining the problem
Normative - Ideas concerning was is considered 'normal' and and the problem fits in with this
Rational - The rational behind what you might or might not do about it
Theoretical - What is the problem really about
Transpersonal - The more mystical, religious, spiritual aspects of the problem

Now I'm sure there are many out there who do not actively pursue the less tangible, transpersonal aspects of ->-bleeped-<-, but I am also certain that most do. The whole thing seems to call out for it since there seems to be no rhyme nor reason for it all. The rational and theoretical investigations into the reasons, (hormone inbalances in the womb etc) do not really answer the problem in a satisfactory way and there is no real agreement in the medical community. To me it really leaves the transpersonal aspects of the problem, and this really helps me when I'm approaching the 'why me?' periods.

I believe that we all all a part of the Great Consciousness that is the Universe. We are the Universe made manifest - the Universe trying to make sense of itself. So every experience is valuable an contributes to the well being of the whole of creation. There is a lot more to this of course, but I wont go into it because it's rather involved, but suffice it to say that there is a reason for everything, even if you can't see it.

Now on top of that, I haver a theory about myself which satisfies my curiosity about my own condition. A few years ago, before my mother died, she told me that I was not the first child she carried in her womb. She ws pregnant with a girl, who she was going to call Stephanie. Unfortunately, she had a miscarriage, though I don't know how long through the prenancy she was. She very quicky became pregnant again with me and when she found out I was a boy, determined to call me Stephen. My mother knew nothing of my ->-bleeped-<- and didn't tell me anything more about her loss.

In addition to that, I had a psychic do a readin for me some time back and she kept mentioning my twin. 'I keep seing a twin', she kept saying. I told her I didn't have one, but she seemed convinced I was wrong.  'I think I would know!' I told her. She was very accurate on everything else, so, go figure.

Here are a few things I have taken away from these experiences. The first is the possibility that the spirit of my unborn sister hung around until my mother became pregnant again, and  took up residence, so she is me. Didn't check out the car before buying! The other idea is that my mother actually lost once of two twins, but the spirit of the lost one moved into me and we are fighting for supremacy for control of the body, which may explain why I have taken so long to get to transition and why I have been so up and down over the years with regards to my condition.

Or maybe it's all complete nonsense and I should go and think about more sensible things instead!

You decide.

Love
Title: Re: The Transsexual and the transpersonal
Post by: Wing Walker on December 23, 2007, 04:51:50 AM
Quote from: Willowitch on December 23, 2007, 03:41:31 AM
Hi

I am not sure if this is the right place for this but for me the subject is particularly relevant. When I trained as a counsellor, one of the subjects was the seven level model, in which problems can be defined in their various aspects. These are: -

Physiological - The physical aspects of the problem
Emotional - The emotional aspects of the problem
Nominative - The importance of naming and defining the problem
Normative - Ideas concerning was is considered 'normal' and and the problem fits in with this
Rational - The rational behind what you might or might not do about it
Theoretical - What is the problem really about
Transpersonal - The more mystical, religious, spiritual aspects of the problem

Now I'm sure there are many out there who do not actively pursue the less tangible, transpersonal aspects of ->-bleeped-<-, but I am also certain that most do. The whole thing seems to call out for it since there seems to be no rhyme nor reason for it all. The rational and theoretical investigations into the reasons, (hormone inbalances in the womb etc) do not really answer the problem in a satisfactory way and there is no real agreement in the medical community. To me it really leaves the transpersonal aspects of the problem, and this really helps me when I'm approaching the 'why me?' periods.

I believe that we all all a part of the Great Consciousness that is the Universe. We are the Universe made manifest - the Universe trying to make sense of itself. So every experience is valuable an contributes to the well being of the whole of creation. There is a lot more to this of course, but I wont go into it because it's rather involved, but suffice it to say that there is a reason for everything, even if you can't see it.

Now on top of that, I haver a theory about myself which satisfies my curiosity about my own condition. A few years ago, before my mother died, she told me that I was not the first child she carried in her womb. She ws pregnant with a girl, who she was going to call Stephanie. Unfortunately, she had a miscarriage, though I don't know how long through the prenancy she was. She very quicky became pregnant again with me and when she found out I was a boy, determined to call me Stephen. My mother knew nothing of my ->-bleeped-<- and didn't tell me anything more about her loss.

In addition to that, I had a psychic do a readin for me some time back and she kept mentioning my twin. 'I keep seing a twin', she kept saying. I told her I didn't have one, but she seemed convinced I was wrong.  'I think I would know!' I told her. She was very accurate on everything else, so, go figure.

Here are a few things I have taken away from these experiences. The first is the possibility that the spirit of my unborn sister hung around until my mother became pregnant again, and  took up residence, so she is me. Didn't check out the car before buying! The other idea is that my mother actually lost once of two twins, but the spirit of the lost one moved into me and we are fighting for supremacy for control of the body, which may explain why I have taken so long to get to transition and why I have been so up and down over the years with regards to my condition.

Or maybe it's all complete nonsense and I should go and think about more sensible things instead!

You decide.

Love


Hello, Willowitch.

I cannot decide this one for you because there are too many possibilities here.  May I recommend seeing another psychic for a "second opinion?"  Things with transmigration of the spirit get pretty complicated and not clearly understood.

Please let me know what course you chose and how it worked.

Wing Walker
Title: Re: The Transsexual and the transpersonal
Post by: Marlene on December 23, 2007, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: Willowitch on December 23, 2007, 03:41:31 AMIn addition to that, I had a psychic do a readin for me some time back and she kept mentioning my twin. 'I keep seing a twin', she kept saying. I told her I didn't have one, but she seemed convinced I was wrong.  'I think I would know!' I told her. She was very accurate on everything else, so, go figure.

Here are a few things I have taken away from these experiences. The first is the possibility that the spirit of my unborn sister hung around until my mother became pregnant again, and  took up residence, so she is me. Didn't check out the car before buying! The other idea is that my mother actually lost once of two twins, but the spirit of the lost one moved into me and we are fighting for supremacy for control of the body, which may explain why I have taken so long to get to transition and why I have been so up and down over the years with regards to my condition.

Or maybe it's all complete nonsense and I should go and think about more sensible things instead!

Or maybe she hadn't, forgive the expression, read a trans person before and didn't know what to make of the internal conflict?


I had an spooky experience with a psychic before I went full-time.  It was about 6-8 months before FFS and going fulltime.  Anyway, to make a long story short, in the middle of the exam she looked up at me (she was lying flat on a gurney) and she said "What's your girl name?"  :o  I said "You tell me" and she practically guesses it.  She had been saying she was psychic, but up until she asked about my name I was just humoring her.  But after that I was saying to myself "Yowza! She is psychic."
Title: Re: The Transsexual and the transpersonal
Post by: gothique11 on December 23, 2007, 08:23:49 PM
As for someone predicting my transition, about six months before I started, so this would have been in 2005, I was at a party/potluck and we were reading each other's Tarot cards (yes, I read them, but not very often any more). I read hers and another friends, and then I had mine read. My friend looked up at me and said, "You know, Nat, every time I read your cards they are full of female energies. And I know you're not gay, but it's always here." I just smiled and shrugged. And then, of course, I told her months after and she was very happy for me.