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Do you think a strong and secure border is good for the transgender cause?

I think it's irrelevant to that cause.


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Quote from: Deborah on June 25, 2018, 11:22:17 PM
I think it's irrelevant to that cause.


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Yeah, a non-sequitur.


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Quote from: Deborah on June 25, 2018, 11:22:17 PM
I think it's irrelevant to that cause.


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Given the twisted nature of politics in the US all sorts of things become relevant to all sorts of other things.  This is so horribly twisted that determining that relationship is nigh on impossible.  That still leads me to say there is no answer to the question.

Interesting. Have any of you considered how the unrestricted influx of undocumented, generally unskilled migrants might affect  those available resources,  ($$$), that might be spent on tg counseling or other relevant benefits to the tg community?

Quote from: Complete on June 26, 2018, 11:59:50 AM
Interesting. Have any of you considered how the unrestricted influx of undocumented, generally unskilled migrants might affect  those available resources,  ($$$), that might be spent on tg counseling or other relevant benefits to the tg community?

I didn't realize the current administration was keen on providing resources for trans folks.  I suppose everything I've read could just be "fake news" though.

Quote from: MissyMay2.0 on June 26, 2018, 12:28:21 PM
I didn't realize the current administration was keen on providing resources for trans folks. 

None have, to my knowledge (outside of the federal government).  I believe that is a State's issue.

Supporting the basically monstrous executive government that brought this about in the US will absolutely be detrimental to transgenders, in fact it already has. These people are creating a facist-style environment of government by fear and prejudice. Transgenders have already suffered as a result of these people and more is on the way.

The states most affected by illegal immigration are primarily southern evangelical enclaves and would sooner spend money deporting us than they would on anything that would actually help us.  So whether it's a State or Federal issue it has exactly zero impact on trans welfare.


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Quote from: Deborah on June 26, 2018, 02:20:27 PM
The states most affected by illegal immigration are primarily southern evangelical enclaves and would sooner spend money deporting us than they would on anything that would actually help us.  So whether it's a State or Federal issue it has exactly zero impact on trans welfare.


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Deporting us?  To whom are you referring? 

The States all have departments of insurance and can mandate trans care and resources without the fed, irrespective of what happens at the border.

Also, the states most affected by illegal immigrants are Texas and California, which aren't really evangelical enclaves.

I just don't see these trans issues as being addressed at the federal level. Just like marijuana, states make laws sometimes without regard to federal law because that is what THE PEOPLE want.

Quote from: ainsley on June 26, 2018, 03:29:34 PM
Deporting us?  To whom are you referring? 

The States all have departments of insurance and can mandate trans care and resources without the fed, irrespective of what happens at the border.

Also, the states most affected by illegal immigrants are Texas and California, which aren't really evangelical enclaves.

I just don't see these trans issues as being addressed at the federal level. Just like marijuana, states make laws sometimes without regard to federal law because that is what THE PEOPLE want.

If I got deported, I wonder where they would send me since I'm of Irish, English, and Native American descent; hopefully my Native American heritage would trump all 😀

Well, in my church I was told that LGBT should be deported to the death chamber.


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"The States all have departments of insurance and can mandate trans care and resources without the fed, irrespective of what happens at the border."

So based on 100%of the response so far, l am guessing that no matter the fact that monies spent on illegal immigration, enforcement, housing, medical care, legal costs etc., no one is willing to consider that monies spent on illegal migrants are not available for trans services. Ok. I'm good with that. Just checking for open minds.

The money is not available; true.  What some of us are disputing is if the money were available would it be spent on trans care. I believe the answer is unequivocally no.  Therefore if the money were to become available it is irrelevant to the question of Trans care.

Personally, even if it were to be made available for trans care I would not support the current actions of this criminal and illegitimate administration.


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While I appreciate the passion of the esteemed donator and seeker from Georgia, l find her attempts to ignore the the fact that public money, (our tax dollars ) are in fact a finite reality, (ie; a zero sum), a bit disconcerting especially in light or her rather transparent attempt to derail the conversation from a discussion of the cost of  border security and the effect of that expense on trans services, to questioning the legitimacy of a constitutionally elected administration.

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OK! l'm gone☺  Thank you all for your response.

I am not sure how much public money is spent on trans services in the US of A... but you are correct, public money is not a bottomless well and certainly some of that money is going to be diverted to dealing with immigration issues as a result of weak borders. Just as we have had to think of addressing "NHS tourism" over here in the UK, medical services are not infinite, and you should provision first and foremost for the taxpaying citizens of your own country before others.

Interesting thought, with President Obama I believe trans undocumented immigrants were given a safe haven. I wonder how it is handled now?

We have had undocumented immigration for many decades. Asian are less but somewhat close to  the amount of Mexacan imagrants. Yes, there is a cost for social services and there is a benefit for a positive population growth. Immagration is good for the country. Ultimately there will be taxpayers from today's imagrant just like there has been since we were founded.

Thans benefit from social change and scientific study. When our needs are justified as medically necessary then we get coverage. I know several sisters that had GCS and pay nothing for state supplied health benefits through affordable care act. GCS, BA and ffs. So no I do not think imagination decreased trans benefits and the federal government helps support the aca.

Quote from: Deborah on June 26, 2018, 06:06:37 PM
Well, in my church I was told that LGBT should be deported to the death chamber.

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I'm confused... as usual. Why is it "your" church?
"In my church" is a strong affirmation of your commitment to this highly disregarded house of warship.

Don't let my confusion confuse you or we will be in deep caca; OMG, another bad word. I'm batting 1000 today.

Opinions are like azoles; everyone has two.

Luego,
Christine                               

Quote from: christinej78 on June 26, 2018, 11:55:08 PM
I'm confused... as usual. Why is it "your" church?
"In my church" is a strong affirmation of your commitment to this highly disregarded house of warship.

Don't let my confusion confuse you or we will be in deep caca; OMG, another bad word. I'm batting 1000 today.

Opinions are like azoles; everyone has two.

Luego,
Christine                               

I think the proper wording would be Former church. Deborah is fairly knowledgable about religious matters, at least far more than I am and I suspect she would have quit the church when she discovered the inconsistency in policy.

I was actually one of the leaders in the church, president of the vestry, adult bible study teacher, and before I left a postulant for ordination as a Priest.  Finally I could no longer hold two opposing ideas in my head and continue to maintain my sanity.  So I left that church and eventually left Christianity altogether.   Not too long after that second event I came here.


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Quote from: MissyMay2.0 on June 26, 2018, 05:42:14 PM
If I got deported, I wonder where they would send me since I'm of Irish, English, and Native American descent; hopefully my Native American heritage would trump all 😀

They would deport me from Missouri back to Flint, MI....ahhhhhhhhh!

I have locked this topic. This is a non-partisan site, and this is a partisan and extremely divisive topic. Keep your party politics to political sites don't bring it here. The same goes for conservative vs liberals topics.