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I hope no-one is offended by the following, but I feel it has to be aired...

I'm just wondering how many people are in it for or sign up to:

(1.) the full-on sissy stereotype of aiming to be a 'brainless bimbo' - addicted to shoes, shopping & sex? or

(2.) the spiritual side of being a woman - tapping into 'the Divine Feminine' or 'the Goddess Within'?

(1.) We've all seen the type of websites and tumblr pages I'm talking about here... The whole 'sissy' culture seems to be based on dumbing down for men, as 'they like women who aren't too smart' and becoming 100% eye-candy and/or a sex toy for 'alpha males.' Slogans adorning memes of real women that are put forth as transgender or actual transgender women; include lines like - 'empty your mind / know your place - it's <removed by moderator> always be ready when he comes home / start your dream job - as a <offensive term removed> hooker .... etc...

While this kind of stuff might get some people feeling more femme or 'in the zone' - I can't see that its doing the transgender rights movement or women's rights in general much good. The above type of slogans could hardly be called a positive message or a healthy promo advert.

I'll admit to enjoying some of it in my earliest days of crossdressing, though it started to turn me off the more I took transitioning as a long-term goal more seriously. I think the tipping point was reading through some of the forced feminization & humiliation material that frequently pops up, whether you're searching for it or not. I couldn't see that any of it was empowering for someone who would be coming out or transitioning, it looked like a short-term cheap thrill type of vibe. Each to their own though and if that type of stuff does it for you, fair play.

(2.) I'm more into 'woman as the Goddess' and true 'divine feminine' nature of things. To my mind, male domination over the way things have been ran so far have led humanity almost to ruin. Unending war and eco-disaster waiting to happen are only two of many issues I could state right now as examples. It's good to see more women entering politics, business and official institutions - we need more of them at the wheel, driving things. If CIS women are getting involved in former male only arenas, it beckons that transgender women will follow through in time as well.

Tiny steps of empowerment can be in all the small things we do - such as coming out of the closet for the first time to a few friends or taking that first step outside in women's clothing. The real empowerment is the overall changes within though - that recognition of the woman within and the natural changes on the outside would seem to follow naturally.

"As above, so below"... and

"As within, So without."

Let it be...


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Or Option (3) None of the above.

I think the appeal for forced feminisation literature is mainly down to having the decision to transition made for you. That is immensely appealing to someone who finds it difficult to embrace who they are out of fear of society's prejudice. If you know deep down that you should be a woman but find it difficult to be yourself, then having someone make you into what you want has an appeal to it.

But as we progress on our paths, we find that we are the ones making the decision and it no longer becomes appealing or no longer becomes necessary to have someone else make those decisions for us. So the literature loses its appeal and we can progress in a more healthy direction.

I choose... neither.

My transition is to myself not to a definition of female. That being said..

I love shoes and shopping!

There are a lot of non-bimbos, and a lot of non-goddesses out there. Why herd people into boxes?

I will be completely honest, sexual attraction to transgender people was my starting point on this journey, I'm sure I'm not alone in that. I'm not ashamed of it, either. Part of my non-binary attraction is my mixed body parts. Am I just a sexual object? No. But I accept my sexuality as a vital part of myself, one piece of the puzzle that is me.

Hugs, Devlyn

I do not classify myself as either of the two. I am not hyper feminine nor do I seek approval from a higher power "God". I fall between the two.

The first option has more in common with a fetish. I have met people who prefer to be dominated in the bedroom, but outside of there if someone tried to dominate them it would be met with fierce opposition. I am sure that there are many people who are spiritual that like to be dominated sexually. People are complex.

The second option can be a slippery slope.

QuoteDianic Wicca developed from the Women's Liberation Movement and covens traditionally align themselves with radical feminism. These covens reject trans people who were born male.[13] Some groups also directly challenge gender identity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianic_Wicca (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianic_Wicca)

All of us here on the form who cross dress, transition, or decide not to has embraced there femininity to varying degrees.

Quote from: Alice (nym) on November 01, 2018, 09:46:35 AM
Or Option (3) None of the above.

I think the appeal for forced feminisation literature is mainly down to having the decision to transition made for you. That is immensely appealing to someone who finds it difficult to embrace who they are out of fear of society's prejudice. If you know deep down that you should be a woman but find it difficult to be yourself, then having someone make you into what you want has an appeal to it.

But as we progress on our paths, we find that we are the ones making the decision and it no longer becomes appealing or no longer becomes necessary to have someone else make those decisions for us. So the literature loses its appeal and we can progress in a more healthy direction.

nail. on. head

Well, this has certainly opened up some debate, so that's good.

I do realize the two options presented are like polar extremes and there's many lifestyle choices and belief systems in-between. Think of it as a spectrum really, I'm not trying to pigeon-hole people into only 2 boxes.

Thanks for everyone's input, keep it coming...

Johnni xoxo

Quote from: Devlyn on November 01, 2018, 11:15:18 AM
There are a lot of non-bimbos, and a lot of non-goddesses out there. Why herd people into boxes?

I will be completely honest, sexual attraction to transgender people was my starting point on this journey, I'm sure I'm not alone in that. I'm not ashamed of it, either. Part of my non-binary attraction is my mixed body parts. Am I just a sexual object? No. But I accept my sexuality as a vital part of myself, one piece of the puzzle that is me.

Hugs, Devlyn

I know very few Bimbo's or Goddesses, really none in my own personal life. I grew up with a different view of women. There are a variety of women who have different likes and beliefs. I have a sister who is very into fashion, but by no means a Bimbo. She is very intelligent and caring about others.

Quote from: krobinson103 on November 01, 2018, 09:47:37 AM
I choose... neither.

My transition is to myself not to a definition of female. That being said..

I agree completely with your statement. There is no specific definition of female that I am in this for.

To be completely honest I wish I wasn't trans at all! It is a horrible feeling to have lived with for so long. The purpose and reason that I am transitioning is so I can live a happy life as the real me. My character isn't changing. I'm just getting my body and mind on the same track.

Lacy

In terms of presentation, I aim to emulate my mother.  In terms of identity, I aim to be myself.  The whole point for me is to not "try" to be anything except real.  I really don't care about other people's expectations.

I agree completely with your statement. There is no specific definition of female that I am in this for.

To be completely honest I wish I wasn't trans at all! It is a horrible feeling to have lived with for so long. The purpose and reason that I am transitioning is so I can live a happy life as the real me. My character isn't changing. I'm just getting my body and mind on the same track.

Lacy
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All I'm doing is changing my body to match what was always inside. To be honest I almost feel like 'transition' or at least 90% of it is done after a bit over a year. I 'pass' for that I care about that, I've done all the legal stuff but most importantly...

I LIKE BEING ME

That in itself is the greatest gift of all

I feel like you're saying transgender woman are fetishes of either goddess or sissy. I am neither I am a daughter, sister and mother.


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I am another neither woman now.

I never subscribed to brainless or all powerful women.

I am me. I changed 3 % of my body and I do look a bit different now, but I am still the same person.

Well, while I have fears that I'm doing it for a sense of belonging or because it will make people like me, the reality is I'm doing it so that I can look at myself in the mirror and see the same person I see in my head when I'm zoned out at the gym. I would also feel a lot less anxious if I was seen by others as the person I see myself as, and that would no doubt improve the quality of my life :).

Most of the trans people I know do it for those same reasons.

There ARE people into it as a fetish, it has a name: bimboification. It's not necessarily the same thing as being trans, also not the same thing as being a drag queen, though one person can be both or all three! And I dont think there is anything wrong with people who practice bimboification, it's a kink that some really enjoy, I've seen them drive great pleasure from it. But there is a different venue for that sort of thing.

Neither!

I tend to be strongly femme in presentation, assertive, and not remotely 'sissy'.  I am a rational secular humanist, although I do make use of rituals in focusing my attention and centering myself for meditation purposes.

I am an activist, publioc speaker, and a tech instructor, none of which fit in the original poster's two boxes.

At this point it's fairly clear your bimbo or goddess hypothetical isn't getting much traction. I do feel compelled to say that your comment about...

"While this kind of stuff might get some people feeling more femme or 'in the zone' - I can't see that its doing the transgender rights movement or women's rights in general much good"

... really doesn't jibe with me. We are all transgender, taking shots at people who are experimenting or early in their exploration by saying they aren't helping "the movement" is just culling the ranks. I prefer to encourage all the colours of the rainbow to shine at their brightest.  :)

Hugs, Devlyn

I already spent a lot of my life unable to conform, I'm not gonna be someone else's idea of a woman just to be one.

Quote... taking shots at people who are experimenting or early in their exploration by saying they aren't helping "the movement" is just culling the ranks. I prefer to encourage all the colours of the rainbow to shine at their brightest.  :)

Hugs, Devlyn

I'm certainly not "taking shots at people" - merely questioning the whole genre of websites dedicated to bimbofication, dumbing down and humiliation of individuals and how that equates to any type of empowerment / liberation for anyone in the long run. Of course, if individuals sign up to that willingly, that's their freedom of choice.

I think some of the points in my OP have perhaps been misunderstood...

Maybe I should have made the title: 'Are you transitioning from the inside out or the outside in?'

Glad to see that the vast majority are transitioning because they wish their outward appearance to match their true inner selves. That seems to be for more spiritual than superficial reasons, which is healthy and positive to my mind.

e.g. I have heard stories of a very small minority of transgender women who had went all the way through hormones and bottom surgery, but hadn't changed anything else about their mannerisms - body language, voice etc... so in some cases their transition was perhaps a little bit superficial and from the 'outside in' - if you follow that.

I was also gladdened to read that not many would dumb themselves down to fit a stereotype of what others think they should be, nearly everyone is doing it for themselves. People can still enjoy the shopping and the shoes, but there's really no need to look / act / think less intelligently to fit into a category to please others.

I noticed almost no-one picked up on my points about the re-balancing of power between men and women / masculine and feminine and how transgender women are bound to make in-roads into politics, big business etc... but this was maybe over-shadowed by the first parts of the post.

Apologies if anyone was offended, my post was intended to raise debate about the overall bigger picture. Which it seems to have done.

Hugs to all,

Johnni

Quote from: Johnni Gyrl on November 02, 2018, 06:17:14 AM
I'm certainly not "taking shots at people" - merely questioning the whole genre of websites dedicated to bimbofication, dumbing down and humiliation of individuals and how that equates to any type of empowerment / liberation for anyone in the long run. Of course, if individuals sign up to that willingly, that's their freedom of choice.

If I call someone brainless, I'm pretty much assuming they'll consider it an attack.  ;)

Quote from: Johnni Gyrl on November 02, 2018, 06:43:55 AM
I think some of the points in my OP have perhaps been misunderstood...

Maybe I should have made the title: 'Are you transitioning from the inside out or the outside in?'

Glad to see that the vast majority are transitioning because they wish their outward appearance to match their true inner selves. That seems to be for more spiritual than superficial reasons, which is healthy and positive to my mind.

e.g. I have heard stories of a very small minority of transgender women who had went all the way through hormones and bottom surgery, but hadn't changed anything else about their mannerisms - body language, voice etc... so in some cases their transition was perhaps a little bit superficial and from the 'outside in' - if you follow that.

I was also gladdened to read that not many would dumb themselves down to fit a stereotype of what others think they should be, nearly everyone is doing it for themselves. People can still enjoy the shopping and the shoes, but there's really no need to look / act / think less intelligently to fit into a category to please others.

I noticed almost no-one picked up on my points about the re-balancing of power between men and women / masculine and feminine and how transgender women are bound to make in-roads into politics, big business etc... but this was maybe over-shadowed by the first parts of the post.

Apologies if anyone was offended, my post was intended to raise debate about the overall bigger picture. Which it seems to have done.

Hugs to all,

Johnni

That fits me to a T (see what I did there?  ;D ), it's called non-binary. You posted in Transgender Talk, that includes all flavours of transgender people. Transsexuals have a deep desire to have their inner and outer selves match, for others it's not so important. I have no convenient mechanism to make my external appearance match as my gender changes within, when I have a boy day, that poor bastard has to put on girl clothes, brush his hair, and make the best of it.  :laugh:

Quote from: Devlyn on November 02, 2018, 06:54:15 AM
If I call someone brainless, I'm pretty much assuming they'll consider it an attack.  ;)

I haven't called anyone 'brainless' Devlyn, this is the suggestion put forth by the bimbofication type of blogs and websites as something willing participants on those sites should aim for and the context in which I've used it. This is the second time now you've accused me of targeting individuals and you've also tried to rubbish the overall spirit of the post. I simply put up 2 differing perspectives  of the transgender community as seen from mainly the outside, for debate. It gained enough of your interest to keep commenting on something you think has 'no traction.'

Good day to you Devlyn.

 

Quote from: Johnni Gyrl on November 02, 2018, 07:45:40 AM
I haven't called anyone 'brainless' Devlin, this is the suggestion put forth by the bimbofication type of blogs and websites as something willing participants on those sites should aim for and the context in which I've used it. This is the second time now you've accused me of targeting individuals and you've also tried to rubbish the overall spirit of the post. I simply put up 2 differing perspectives  of the transgender community as seen from mainly the outside, for debate. It gained enough of your interest to keep commenting on something you think has 'no traction.'

Good day to you Devlin.

 

Y...we spell it with a Y.  :laugh:

I don't think I'm rubbishing anything, I feel I'm bringing up valid points. We obviously disagree on that.

Well, someone told me that perception is people's reality. I was already a few months on hrt, but it did stick with me. I know that person didn't like me (based on how they treated me, it was pretty obvious), but I did realize this... She was right.
I wouldn't say I'm transitioning on hrt to change other people's perceptions. Because that's saying that I pass 100% of the time, which I don't. But I think I'm making people somewhat more aware.

I don't feel empowered because I can wear skirts (nothing wrong with that either) or that others see me as a trans "woman". What makes me feel empowered is no longer feeling like I'm a taboo that I have to deal with and lock up inside myself.

People sometimes just see trans women as men who altered their bodies to look like women. Well, biologically we did do that technically speaking. And there shouldn't be any shame about it. We're not completely shapshifting because our "shape" was always already there.

If we all grew up in ideal circumstances and felt fully supported by our families, the transition from male to female really wouldn't be that big of a deal in the first place. It's just much more dramatic now because our denial is so deep for a long time. I'm not saying hrt isn't a slow and gradual process, but there are so many non medical ways to feminize ourselves too. I think one of the biggest things is having long, healthy and styled hair. Also, not being too overweight or too muscular. These are all things andro people in my high school did in the 2000s. This isn't anything new at all really.

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Neither!