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Hi girls and guys :)
I think this may be a little weird so here I go again with some random questions and thoughts :)

So, assuming it all goes through, soon I will be on HRT, which is great and wonderful and I am happy and nervous.

I'm excited I'm going to have a gradual face change, hair change, body change and breasts and that's going to be amazing. Right now however, I just don't feel the need for a vagina. I don't hate my penis and as nobody else sees it and it's just there for peeing really.

Is this likely to change on HRT? Am I going to want a vagina in time? I don't want my testes at all.

I have heard that things can change (at least in the ftm groups). Right now you might find that your current setup works for you. Maybe years later you'll want that to change...or maybe you won't. Only time will tell [emoji6]


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It is too soon to worry about that.  Wait until you have been on HRT for a while.  Maybe you will decide to have the surgery, maybe you won't.  There is nothing that says you have to.  Either way, take the time to see how you feel about it, and then do whatever is right for you.

I don't feel the need for a vagina, but I don't want my penis.  So I will be asking for the minimal-depth procedure.  Just another option to consider.

To be honest with you the only thing I ever anticipated was an orchiectomy, which I'm recovering from at the moment. I never thought about getting GRS, but I have been considering it recently, but that is still a few years away.

Just like everyone else is saying, take your time in that thought process. My answer is still years away from me.

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Does shrinkage from HRT factor into this for anyone? If I can get everything shrunk enough then the gcs seems unlikely.

Hi Katie, I can't say whether your feelings will change after hormones. But I do feel the same as you. An orchidectomy would be nice, but the rest? Well, I don't care enought either way to worry about it.

Time will tell...

Quote from: dee82 on November 25, 2018, 10:40:56 PM
Hi Katie, I can't say whether your feelings will change after hormones. But I do feel the same as you. An orchidectomy would be nice, but the rest? Well, I don't care enought either way to worry about it.

Time will tell...

Yeah definitely nice. Those two disgusting things are the cause of all these problems and get rid of that silly bag and then I can tuck the penis away and get on with my life :)

Quote from: MissKatie on November 25, 2018, 11:30:52 PM
Those two disgusting things are the cause of all these problems and get rid of that silly bag...

Exactly, they really get in the way of my love for skinny tight jeans.

I'm happy with my penis and no testicles setup.  :) No vagina in my future. Well, on me, anyway.  ;)

Quote from: MissKatie on November 25, 2018, 07:30:04 PM
Hi girls and guys :)
I think this may be a little weird so here I go again with some random questions and thoughts :)

So, assuming it all goes through, soon I will be on HRT, which is great and wonderful and I am happy and nervous.

I'm excited I'm going to have a gradual face change, hair change, body change and breasts and that's going to be amazing. Right now however, I just don't feel the need for a vagina. I don't hate my penis and as nobody else sees it and it's just there for peeing really.

Is this likely to change on HRT? Am I going to want a vagina in time? I don't want my testes at all.

I'm not sure if it could change because of the HRT, but it might change because of life experience. Whilst I always considered myself surgery tracked merely for my dysphoria, life as a woman with a penis can be such a pain in the backside that I think that could well have tipped me over. That constant worry about being found out. About worrying on a night out, or in a floaty summer dress that I might fall over, or the wind catch it, and the world see it. About being unable to wear normal yoga pants at the gym (or wearing them with an obvious bulge). I used to love swimming and I've not been in 8 years. And I travel a lot and its annoying being seen as an anomaly every time I go through security and I have to explain myself. And the fear of that travel that in the wrong country I might be imprisoned or worse. Or being able to sunbathe and turn over without having to publicly adjust yourself. But as others have said, this is very much an each to their own situation and there are many other options and outcomes as well.

Good luck

Emma x

Quote from: emma-f on November 26, 2018, 02:59:28 AM
I'm not sure if it could change because of the HRT, but it might change because of life experience. Whilst I always considered myself surgery tracked merely for my dysphoria, life as a woman with a penis can be such a pain in the backside that I think that could well have tipped me over. That constant worry about being found out. About worrying on a night out, or in a floaty summer dress that I might fall over, or the wind catch it, and the world see it. About being unable to wear normal yoga pants at the gym (or wearing them with an obvious bulge). I used to love swimming and I've not been in 8 years. And I travel a lot and its annoying being seen as an anomaly every time I go through security and I have to explain myself. And the fear of that travel that in the wrong country I might be imprisoned or worse. Or being able to sunbathe and turn over without having to publicly adjust yourself. But as others have said, this is very much an each to their own situation and there are many other options and outcomes as well.

Good luck

Emma x

These are things I hadn't even considered you know. I'm just starting out and it's still going to be a while until I am confident enough to even leave the house with makeup on.
Really good points there. Gives me a lot to think about :)

Hello again Katie

You may recall from previous threads that I have been on HRT since February and I am publicly transitioning in 2019.

My 3 areas of body dysphoria are body hair which narrowly leads in GD the 2 things between my legs. I dislike all 3. The body hair I am having removed leaving the genitalia as the only problem. I can confirm that you should get reduction on HRT as I have.

I suggest you take your time to decide best option. As for me, I have already ruled out Orchie and therefore I want either ZDV or V. I will need time to make decision.

Hugs

Pamela

Thats a question I've been debating lately. I have orchiodectomy coming up next March and I'm ready and mentally prepared for that. SRS I have to pay for myself, it takes me offline for at least 6 weeks, and, there is ongoing maintenance. Is it worth all that? I'm not sure.

Lose the revolting little poison factories and I'm pretty sure I'm happy. We shall see. If not the back up plan is SRS in two years when I've found the cash.

Quote from: emma-f on November 26, 2018, 02:59:28 AM
I'm not sure if it could change because of the HRT, but it might change because of life experience. Whilst I always considered myself surgery tracked merely for my dysphoria, life as a woman with a penis can be such a pain in the backside that I think that could well have tipped me over. That constant worry about being found out. About worrying on a night out, or in a floaty summer dress that I might fall over, or the wind catch it, and the world see it. About being unable to wear normal yoga pants at the gym (or wearing them with an obvious bulge). I used to love swimming and I've not been in 8 years. And I travel a lot and its annoying being seen as an anomaly every time I go through security and I have to explain myself. And the fear of that travel that in the wrong country I might be imprisoned or worse. Or being able to sunbathe and turn over without having to publicly adjust yourself. But as others have said, this is very much an each to their own situation and there are many other options and outcomes as well.

Good luck

Emma x

To me I go swimming all the time. yes there is a slight bulge (pre any op) after orchie it should be almost unnoticable. No one looks or even cares. You might run into changing room issues but I just avoid that by using the family changing rooms. Bathroom isn't an issue. I wear skinny jeans and other tight clothes all the time. Just requires the right pair of underwear to keep things nice and out of the way.

Quote from: MissKatie on November 25, 2018, 07:30:04 PM
Hi girls and guys :)
I think this may be a little weird so here I go again with some random questions and thoughts :)

So, assuming it all goes through, soon I will be on HRT, which is great and wonderful and I am happy and nervous.

I'm excited I'm going to have a gradual face change, hair change, body change and breasts and that's going to be amazing. Right now however, I just don't feel the need for a vagina. I don't hate my penis and as nobody else sees it and it's just there for peeing really.

Is this likely to change on HRT? Am I going to want a vagina in time? I don't want my testes at all.

I've always felt quite indifferent to my body and its various parts.

I started HRT to resolve my GD -  which it worked for. The physical changes I've seen to date have been good to help me pass/be accepted, but were never my priority.

When it comes to my bottom zone, you'll see (in my GRS Observations thread) I've been debating the vulvaplasty/vaginoplasty option for some time. Only a medical problem with my OEM kit has removed the option of an Orchi from my considerations.

For some, their genitalia is a key part of their gender identity, for others it is not - both views are valid, it is an individual stance.

Personally, I don't think HRT in itself has effected my views on this at all. However living full-time as (to at intensive purposes) a binary woman has tinted my views. Developing a greater appreciation of the subtleties of the gender spectrum during my transition has also effected my views.

Take your time,  whatever your choice. X

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Dear Katie! Many here have given you many thing to consider. Things do shrink over time on HRT, making it very easy to hide the evil twins even in skinny jeans. On that note, you may want to wait before opting for an Orchi. Over time, an Orchi will cause things to shrink even more to the point that it can be surgically difficult if you do decide to go with a GCS. One thing that you should know if you do decide to go with a GCS, you may want to start hair removal Yesterday. It's all up to you to decide. For me, I knew I wanted a GCS at a very young age. It was just a matter of finding the financing. HRT has certainly helped me feel more feminine. But I don't think it would have made a difference.

Hope this help.
Donica.

Quote from: Donica on November 26, 2018, 03:20:51 PM
Dear Katie! Many here have given you many thing to consider. Things do shrink over time on HRT, making it very easy to hide the evil twins even in skinny jeans. On that note, you may want to wait before opting for an Orchi. Over time, an Orchi will cause things to shrink even more to the point that it can be surgically difficult if you do decide to go with a GCS. One thing that you should know if you do decide to go with a GCS, you may want to start hair removal Yesterday. It's all up to you to decide. For me, I knew I wanted a GCS at a very young age. It was just a matter of finding the financing. HRT has certainly helped me feel more feminine. But I don't think it would have made a difference.

Hope this help.
Donica.

I think that is old school advice from the good ol'days of wide scars. I asked my orchiectomy surgeon last year about GRS after an orchi and he said no problem. He pointed out the elasticity of the tissues involved...think erections and where your testicles are in summer vs where they are in winter.

Hugs, Devlyn

Quote from: Devlyn on November 26, 2018, 03:45:35 PM
I think that is old school advice from the good ol'days of wide scars. I asked my orchiectomy surgeon last year about GRS after an orchi and he said no problem. He pointed out the elasticity of the tissues involved...think erections and where your testicles are in summer vs where they are in winter.

Hugs, Devlyn

I'll stand corrected. In that case, there is now reason not to opt for an orchi. That is if your certain you won't want them back. It would eliminate having to take T-Blockers. Still I don't need an orchi. After long term HRT, they do well to hide themselves.

Quote from: Donica on November 26, 2018, 04:06:50 PM
I'll stand corrected. In that case, there is now reason not to opt for an orchi. That is if your certain you won't want them back. It would eliminate having to take T-Blockers. Still I don't need an orchi. After long term HRT, they do well to hide themselves.

I'm sure it's case by case, and everyone should ask their own surgeon.  :)

One thing to keep in mind is if you have the orchi you will physically have less material to use for the GRS procedure. The skin is used in the procedure and if it is gone there is less to work with.

Quote from: NatalieRene on November 26, 2018, 04:28:26 PM
One thing to keep in mind is if you have the orchi you will physically have less material to use for the GRS procedure. The skin is used in the procedure and if it is gone there is less to work with.

No skin is removed during an orchiectomy. An incision is made, the testicles are removed, and the scrotum is sutured.

Hugs, Devlyn

Oh wow that is good.  ;D

Quote from: Devlyn on November 26, 2018, 04:35:53 PM
No skin is removed during an orchiectomy. An incision is made, the testicles are removed, and the scrotum is sutured.

I heard the scrotum may shrink if left too long before SRS, so there is less to work with. Not a deal breaker, but my doctor advised if there is any possibility of SRS down the track, to think twice before getting an orchiodectomy early in my transition.

Quote from: dee82 on November 26, 2018, 05:52:08 PM
I heard the scrotum may shrink if left too long before SRS, so there is less to work with. Not a deal breaker, but my doctor advised if there is any possibility of SRS down the track, to think twice before getting an orchiodectomy early in my transition.

This just means that they would have to use material from another part if your body. It's recommended, from my understanding, that if you are considering SRS in the future and have an orchiectomy in advance, that you stretch the scrotum to keep the material as large as possible.

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Quote from: salaniaseviltwin on November 26, 2018, 06:39:37 PM
This just means that they would have to use material from another part if your body. It's recommended, from my understanding, that if you are considering SRS in the future and have an orchiectomy in advance, that you stretch the scrotum to keep the material as large as possible.

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How?

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Quote from: Battle Goddess on November 27, 2018, 09:23:07 AM
How?

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From my understanding, you simply pull on it.  This is from memory, which could be false. I can't find the document I believe I read it in previously. Though it does make sense, since dilation in necessary after SRS.

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Quote from: salaniaseviltwin on November 27, 2018, 10:06:10 AM
From my understanding, you simply pull on it.  This is from memory, which could be false. I can't find the document I believe I read it in previously. Though it does make sense, since dilation in necessary after SRS.

Mucho bettero if you can get someone else to do the pulling, though.  >:-)

Well, I believe that is quite a complicated matter. Each person goes through a different experience and will have a different personality, which most certainly will affect rather or not you'll want the GRS surgery.

Personally for me, my miserable genitals are the center of what makes my life, let's say, hard to live more often than I'd like. I'm not just talking about the fact that because of it I have no sexual life and then end up being lonely and craving sex and human touch, no, I'm talking about things like tucking. Tucking is...a miserable thing. If today was the last day I'd ever tuck in my life it would be too long. I absolutely hate it! I may even be on a good day but uh...when it's the 10th time in the morning I had to go to the bathroom to fix the tuck, it really starts to wear you off. I could just go on here for a long time saying how much this physical defect sucks.

All in all, that's just me, it's really up to you. Let your transition happen and see how you'll deal with tucking, how much you'll be able to live with it or not. Personally I think that having to constantly be worried rather or not it's visible makes life a little sad, but maybe you will have a better time than me. I say this because it can really affect your psychology. 

Don't worry about that yet, let time tell you what'll happen. 

The longer I lived full time as female, especially after HRT settled in, and I began dating again, the more I realized I needed surgery to complete the real me emotionally and physically.

Quote from: MissKatie on November 25, 2018, 07:30:04 PM
Hi girls and guys :)
I think this may be a little weird so here I go again with some random questions and thoughts :)

So, assuming it all goes through, soon I will be on HRT, which is great and wonderful and I am happy and nervous.

I'm excited I'm going to have a gradual face change, hair change, body change and breasts and that's going to be amazing. Right now however, I just don't feel the need for a vagina. I don't hate my penis and as nobody else sees it and it's just there for peeing really.

Is this likely to change on HRT? Am I going to want a vagina in time? I don't want my testes at all.

I just came across this contribution.
I am pretty much like you I don't really have any problems with my male parts, they are just there.  I am changing for a few years now, but am now in addition to my biological changes on HRT.  I still have no problems with the plumbing, however, I would like to have my testicles removed because they are very sensitiv against any kind of touch and hurt quite a bit.  They don't have any purpose anymore anyway.

Eventually I would like to have a vulva and clitoris, but I don't need a vagina because I am asexual for over 10 years now, and don't see this changing either.  I can't even remember what libido is!

Quote from: NatalieRene on November 26, 2018, 04:28:26 PM
One thing to keep in mind is if you have the orchi you will physically have less material to use for the GRS procedure. The skin is used in the procedure and if it is gone there is less to work with.

Hi Natalie,                        28 November 2018

Everyone reacts to HRT, Orchie, and all the related treatments/procedures in their own way. When I started my transition 08 March of this year, having an orchiectomy was right at the top of my list. I had lived with the ravages of testosterone for 77 years and hated it once I figured out it was at the root source of many personal problems. Before I did anything I read Devlyn's Orchie thread and realized that was exactly what I wanted to do, with some modification.

I went on HRT sans spiro / no AA's 27 March 2018. On Friday 13 April 2018 I had a Bilateral, radical, inguinal Orchiectomy. Now, this sounds more complex and difficult than a simple. Nothing could be further from the truth. The scrotum was not cut, two small incisions, one over each side of the inguinal canals about 1.5 inches long. The testacies were pushed up through the canal and out through the incision. Once out the spermatic cords were clamped and tied off before being completely severed. At that moment testosterone production ceased with the exception of what the adrenal gland produces in both male and female bodies.

The two incisions were closed with multiple layers being sutured with dissolvable stiches. This procedure was done in about 30 minute under a modified general anesthesia (Propofol only with no sedation and no intubation, I was breathing on my own). When I awoke I was fully conscious within minutes. I had zero pain, only minor discomfort for the first two days, which a total of 6 Tylenol took care of. I had a minor amount of bruising (hematoma) of the scrotum and a small amount on the penis. I was back doing heavy work after a week and a half. The bruising disappeared quickly and the incisions healed in less than a week. Now they are almost invisible.

There was zero loss of tissue with the exception of the testis themselves. Yes, the scrotum has thankfully shrunk to a minor/tiny pouch that is barely noticeable. The penis has remained much the same as it was with the exception that erections have not occurred since the night before the orchi when I treated Wilbur to a final hurrah.

I am completely happy with my decision to have the orchi. The last hormone check I had my "T" was <3, not measurable, my PSA was .9 from a high of 4.9 prior to the orchi. I'm 78 and have had a long history of BPH (enlarged Prostate), which made peeing difficult and at times almost impossible. Wilbur now functions as a drain pipe for the bladder and a fine job it does at that.

Where do I go from here; I am seriously considering SRS though I do not know whether full depth vagina or the cosmetic. The latter requires much less maintenance and I have no intention of having a relationship with a male so the latter is probably the choice I'll make; at this point in my life there are many other things in life besides sexual intercourse with the opposite sex. Been there and done that; highly over rated in my humble opinion.

I have photos of the surgery which I would be willing to share if it were allowed; it's not so you will have to use your imagination. There is nothing sexual about them, they just show the testicles being removed and what they look like once they are outside the body.

My main thread has a bit of recent info on a medical glitch in my transition. You can read about it here:

    Transgender talk / Re: Christine's Adventures on the "Transition Highway"

Read my most recent posts on this latest negative development in my transition. I think it's worth a read to make one aware of a possible dangerous condition, DVT. It just might save someone from serious consequences should they ignore the symptoms.

Sorry I took so much space here on this thread; I wish only the best for everyone here at Susan's Place.

Best Always, Love
Chris

Quote from: christinej78 on November 28, 2018, 04:05:10 AM
Hi Natalie,                        28 November 2018

Everyone reacts to HRT, Orchie, and all the related treatments/procedures in their own way. When I started my transition 08 March of this year, having an orchiectomy was right at the top of my list. I had lived with the ravages of testosterone for 77 years and hated it once I figured out it was at the root source of many personal problems. Before I did anything I read Devlyn's Orchie thread and realized that was exactly what I wanted to do, with some modification.

I went on HRT sans spiro / no AA's 27 March 2018. On Friday 13 April 2018 I had a Bilateral, radical, inguinal Orchiectomy. Now, this sounds more complex and difficult than a simple. Nothing could be further from the truth. The scrotum was not cut, two small incisions, one over each side of the inguinal canals about 1.5 inches long. The testacies were pushed up through the canal and out through the incision. Once out the spermatic cords were clamped and tied off before being completely severed. At that moment testosterone production ceased with the exception of what the adrenal gland produces in both male and female bodies.

The two incisions were closed with multiple layers being sutured with dissolvable stiches. This procedure was done in about 30 minute under a modified general anesthesia (Propofol only with no sedation and no intubation, I was breathing on my own). When I awoke I was fully conscious within minutes. I had zero pain, only minor discomfort for the first two days, which a total of 6 Tylenol took care of. I had a minor amount of bruising (hematoma) of the scrotum and a small amount on the penis. I was back doing heavy work after a week and a half. The bruising disappeared quickly and the incisions healed in less than a week. Now they are almost invisible.

There was zero loss of tissue with the exception of the testis themselves. Yes, the scrotum has thankfully shrunk to a minor/tiny pouch that is barely noticeable. The penis has remained much the same as it was with the exception that erections have not occurred since the night before the orchi when I treated Wilbur to a final hurrah.

I am completely happy with my decision to have the orchi. The last hormone check I had my "T" was <3, not measurable, my PSA was .9 from a high of 4.9 prior to the orchi. I'm 78 and have had a long history of BPH (enlarged Prostate), which made peeing difficult and at times almost impossible. Wilbur now functions as a drain pipe for the bladder and a fine job it does at that.

Where do I go from here; I am seriously considering SRS though I do not know whether full depth vagina or the cosmetic. The latter requires much less maintenance and I have no intention of having a relationship with a male so the latter is probably the choice I'll make; at this point in my life there are many other things in life besides sexual intercourse with the opposite sex. Been there and done that; highly over rated in my humble opinion.

I have photos of the surgery which I would be willing to share if it were allowed; it's not so you will have to use your imagination. There is nothing sexual about them, they just show the testicles being removed and what they look like once they are outside the body.

My main thread has a bit of recent info on a medical glitch in my transition. You can read about it here:

    Transgender talk / Re: Christine's Adventures on the "Transition Highway"

Read my most recent posts on this latest negative development in my transition. I think it's worth a read to make one aware of a possible dangerous condition, DVT. It just might save someone from serious consequences should they ignore the symptoms.

Sorry I took so much space here on this thread; I wish only the best for everyone here at Susan's Place.

Best Always, Love
Chris

Thank you for the detailed description. I'm about to have this done early next year. I particularly like the fact that the scrotum reduces (SRS isn't high on my list of must do things... though it might be nice). I've planned a week off to give myself a chance to recover as I'm a special needs teacher and my job is very active. I'd like to give everything a chance to heal nicely before I put stress on that area again.