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Title: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Hughie on November 27, 2018, 08:13:18 PM
Hi all,

I'm feeling frustrated after a year of T on 1 Dec and still not being recognised as male in public. I do have a more delicate bone structure, and I'm about 5'5". I dress male. It's so dysphoric going into the shop to buy something quickly and getting 'ma'am.' I've only passed once or twice, once with a homeless person who said sir, then ma'am, and a little kid who pointed me out as a boy in passing.

Tonight I went into the pharmacy to pick up my Androgel. It's in big boxes over the counter. I've already given the pharmacist my name.
'Name?' she asks.
I tell her my name again, which she asked already to retrieve my prescription.
'Phone number?'
I give her my phone number.
'Relationship?'
This one stumped me. It seemed rather weird to me the pharmacy needs to know my relationship status.
'No,' I say.
'Relationship?' she asks
'What relationship?' I ask at last.
'To <name>.'
'That's me!' I exclaim, not happy, staring at all the T gel in front of me that she's scanning.
'Oh.'


Soooo.... yeah. Frustrated. Has anyone else not been recognised as male after a year on T? What did you do?

Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Kylo on November 27, 2018, 08:18:03 PM
How is your voice at this point? This is usually the indicator people go on for your gender during early stages.

I had this happen in the chemist early on. They thought I was picking up for someone else. Only happened once and after that they started to recognize me coming in and had the stuff ready. Cultivate a good attitude for this sort of encounter if possible. For a while different people will probably see male and others female seemingly randomly 


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Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Hughie on November 27, 2018, 08:32:50 PM
Quote from: Kylo on November 27, 2018, 08:18:03 PM
How is your voice at this point? This is usually the indicator people go on for your gender during early stages.

I had this happen in the chemist early on. They thought I was picking up for someone else. Only happened once and after that they started to recognize me coming in and had the stuff ready. Cultivate a good attitude for this sort of encounter if possible. For a while different people will probably see male and others female seemingly randomly

My voice is definitely lower than it was, but more on the female range than male. It was pretty high to start with. Every time I'm out and interact with a check out clerk or waiter/waitress, etc., it's always 'ma'am'.  There are times I haven't opened my mouth yet and I get: 'How can I help you, ma'am?' They're trying to be polite, but I really hate it.

Usually they're good at the pharmacy, but I hadn't seen this person there before.



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Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Ryuichi13 on November 28, 2018, 01:42:06 AM
Do you have any facial hair?  If so, and its dark, maybe you can try the "mascara trick."  Take mascara that matches closer to your hair color (I used black, even though my hair is dark brown) and use it to color any facial hair you have.  If done well, no one will know that you're darkening it.  It might take some practice, but keep at it!

If you don't have any facial hair, it might be the way you wear your hair.  Try a man's haircut.  Go to a barber or male hairdresser and have them cut it. 

Do you bind?  If not, maybe give it a try.  There are plenty of threads here that can help you do so safely.  Also, wear a loose shirt that helps hide your chest.

It could be the way you carry yourself.  Try going to a public place, such as a mall or coffee house and people-watch the men.  Observe how they do things, from drinking their coffee, carry bags, even to how they sit. 

This thread also might help.  The ladies on here discuss how cis men do things, and even though I pass and have for well over a year, (the pic is me cosplaying), I learned things from reading it.  Its a thread I really should take notes on.  ;)

Being Socialized Female 101 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,228377.0.html)

Hope this helps you in some way.  Good luck bro.

Ryuichi
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Devlyn on November 28, 2018, 01:54:52 AM
Sorry this happened to you. Not passing is part of the deal for most of us, you'll learn to shake it off. Confidence and not caring what other people think goes a long way.

Hugs, Devlyn
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Ryuichi13 on November 28, 2018, 02:15:32 AM
If nothing else works, simply correct them. 

When I'm misgendered (even by my parents :-\), I correct them.  Either loudly or at the same volume that they're speaking in, depending on how they say the misgendering.  I still occasionally get misgendered, but after more than two years, its become second nature for me to correct someone and then continue the conversation as if nothing happened. 

It takes some getting used to, but cis men are rarely "gentle" when they feel wronged.  Plus it helps build up self-confidence.  :)

Again, good luck bro!

Ryuichi 
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Hughie on November 28, 2018, 10:50:39 AM
Quote from: Ryuichi13 on November 28, 2018, 01:42:06 AM
Do you have any facial hair?  If so, and its dark, maybe you can try the "mascara trick."  Take mascara that matches closer to your hair color (I used black, even though my hair is dark brown) and use it to color any facial hair you have.  If done well, no one will know that you're darkening it.  It might take some practice, but keep at it!

If you don't have any facial hair, it might be the way you wear your hair.  Try a man's haircut.  Go to a barber or male hairdresser and have them cut it. 

Do you bind?  If not, maybe give it a try.  There are plenty of threads here that can help you do so safely.  Also, wear a loose shirt that helps hide your chest.

It could be the way you carry yourself.  Try going to a public place, such as a mall or coffee house and people-watch the men.  Observe how they do things, from drinking their coffee, carry bags, even to how they sit. 

This thread also might help.  The ladies on here discuss how cis men do things, and even though I pass and have for well over a year, (the pic is me cosplaying), I learned things from reading it.  Its a thread I really should take notes on.  ;)

Being Socialized Female 101 (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,228377.0.html)

Hope this helps you in some way.  Good luck bro.

Ryuichi

Cheers, Ryuichi. Yes, I bind and dress masculine and have done so for years. My hair is not a traditional cut right now, though I had a fade for a bit. and since I have delicate features no matter how my hair has been cut, it doesn't seem to have made a difference.  I haven't done the mascara trick, would need to try that at home because at work it's a professional environment and need to make sure everything looks alright. I have peach fuzz that I shave off, and hair is coming in more under my chin and nose.

I'll check out the behaviour thread too.

Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Hughie on November 28, 2018, 10:51:41 AM
Quote from: Devlyn on November 28, 2018, 01:54:52 AM
Sorry this happened to you. Not passing is part of the deal for most of us, you'll learn to shake it off. Confidence and not caring what other people think goes a long way.

Hugs, Devlyn

Generally it's okay, but it's really wearing me thin lately. And I want to date and be recognised as male, since I'm gay. There's no way I pass right now, and I'm not comfortable in myself. So there's that.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Hughie on November 28, 2018, 10:52:42 AM
Quote from: Ryuichi13 on November 28, 2018, 02:15:32 AM
If nothing else works, simply correct them. 

When I'm misgendered (even by my parents :-\), I correct them.  Either loudly or at the same volume that they're speaking in, depending on how they say the misgendering.  I still occasionally get misgendered, but after more than two years, its become second nature for me to correct someone and then continue the conversation as if nothing happened. 

It takes some getting used to, but cis men are rarely "gentle" when they feel wronged.  Plus it helps build up self-confidence.  :)

Again, good luck bro!

Ryuichi

For people that I see regularly... family, friends, co-workers, clients, etc... I'll correct them and they're usually good with pronouns. It's the fact strangers don't recognise me as male like I want to be seen. That's the tough part.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Hughie on November 28, 2018, 11:00:10 AM
Here's a pic this morning... admittedly, the hair's out of control, haha. This got out of hand this week.

https://imgur.com/a/jMwYDF2
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Faith on November 28, 2018, 11:36:12 AM
Quote from: Hughie on November 28, 2018, 11:00:10 AM
Here's a pic this morning... admittedly, the hair's out of control, haha. This got out of hand this week.

https://imgur.com/a/jMwYDF2

I really hate to say it, I see a girl :( maybe the pose, the slightly pursed lips (natural or unconsciously done?)
I have to add, 1 year isn't that long to make significant physical changes for most people. You are young, it will improve. Stick with it.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Faith on November 28, 2018, 12:13:32 PM
I'm sorry, I should clarify. I did a quick glance and closed the page. I based my post on what would be classified as a 'glance' and I went with my first impression. I then went back to try to pinpoint the why.

In person, mannerisms and speech can easily overcome the first impression look.

I hope I didn't offend.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Hughie on November 28, 2018, 02:25:02 PM
Quote from: Faith on November 28, 2018, 11:36:12 AM
I really hate to say it, I see a girl :( maybe the pose, the slightly pursed lips (natural or unconsciously done?)
I have to add, 1 year isn't that long to make significant physical changes for most people. You are young, it will improve. Stick with it.

Yeah, it's lame but I see that too. The lips... that's pretty normal for me. I'm in the right range for T, but it seems to be very slow, because I don't look too different from a year ago. And the other thing is I'm 41 but seem to read a lot younger.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Ryuichi13 on November 30, 2018, 03:12:37 AM
Quote from: Hughie on November 28, 2018, 10:50:39 AM
Cheers, Ryuichi. Yes, I bind and dress masculine and have done so for years. My hair is not a traditional cut right now, though I had a fade for a bit. and since I have delicate features no matter how my hair has been cut, it doesn't seem to have made a difference.  I haven't done the mascara trick, would need to try that at home because at work it's a professional environment and need to make sure everything looks alright. I have peach fuzz that I shave off, and hair is coming in more under my chin and nose.

I'll check out the behaviour thread too.
You have peach fuzz?  Therein might be your solution.  Simply stop shaving.

There's an old wives tale that so many men like us seem to believe, "the more I shave, the thicker it'll grow in."  There's simply no scientific proof that hair, facial or otherwise grows in that way. 

To be honest, if you're asked about "why you're looking so scruffy" while at work, tell them the truth.  That "I'm growing my first beard after shaving forever!"  Its what I tell people when they ask me...and its the truth to boot!

You DO read "female" in your pic  or at the very least, a young (teen!) boy.  Once your facial hair starts growing in, that will hopefully change you enough to read more male.  And it might help you in the dating scene too!

Good luck bro. [emoji2]

Ryuichi

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Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Devlyn on November 30, 2018, 03:41:39 AM
I read the picture as female, too. A bit of advice from The Beastie Boys:

"I'll kick you out of my home if you don't cut that hair!"  :laugh:

Hugs, Devlyn
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: invisiblemonsters on December 01, 2018, 07:34:34 PM
it's honestly just in the face, and your style also screams feminine to me. a year isn't a long time, but i know everyone has different changes at different speeds. when your face starts to lean out, you will probably be read more male. you should try to eat healthy, etc. to lean out more in the face, and probably the body. the fat redistribution takes the longest but clean eating and working out can help get a male figure and help that. it's also probably the way you present yourself as well. also, if you really are dysphoric about it, don't shave. i kept shaving until i got through that awkward pre-pubescent facial hair phase. you say you're in the male range, but maybe you're on the lower end of that male range or they're too high and it's converting back to estrogen. either way, i know it's frustrating but it definitely takes time. i'd talk to your doctor about your changes and concerns tbh.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Maid Marion on December 02, 2018, 05:34:20 AM
Yes, I'd agree that a fashion makeover would help.  Which may be a challenge if you are like me and can't find clothes that fit in the men's  department.  But you may want to go there anyway to see what is "normal" for guys to wear these days.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: invisiblemonsters on December 02, 2018, 09:08:54 AM
Quote from: Maid Marion on December 02, 2018, 05:34:20 AM
Yes, I'd agree that a fashion makeover would help.  Which may be a challenge if you are like me and can't find clothes that fit in the men's  department.  But you may want to go there anyway to see what is "normal" for guys to wear these days.

i don't think he would have an issue. he's 5'5" but if he was shorter, i would suggest other stores but he can basically find men's clothing in most stores. i'm only 5'3"ish and i shop at old navy, h&m, etc. and find clothes that fit me perfectly fine.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Hughie on December 02, 2018, 10:38:42 AM
Cheers everyone for your comments, I've been travelling this weekend and away from the computer. All my clothes are from mens' shops the last three years, and I do like patterned shirts, so there's that. I don't wear any female clothes. I was always into fashion to some degree in my former life.

I think my biggest issue is my face reads as feminine and I have a slight frame. I'm about 5'5" in height, a bit taller in boots. I'm consistently misgendered whether I'm wearing parkas or t-shirts or work clothes. I think I'll try to let the fuzz grow out a bit and see what's what in that department. I do eat healthy and get to the gym on occasion, though I'd like to step up the gym more.

My mom pointed out physical changes that she can see and that I can see... mainly, they're not in the face, haha. My arms and shoulders have gotten bigger, which means more shirts/jackets so things fit. I've lost fat in my arse and thighs, and this wants to migrate to the middle, but I want to nip that in the bud. I'll get a haircut to neaten things up, but I think more or less it's just going to take time for the T to do it's thing. I might try the beard thing that some have done.

And here's another photo from this week in my coat.
https://imgur.com/a/88HX5Z5

Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Maid Marion on December 02, 2018, 11:16:58 AM
CD's typically refer to normal male fashion as "drab." 

Have you considered wearing a tie to work?  That should strongly gender as male.  If you can afford it, a suit and tie?  Preferably with matching trousers made out of the same material as the suit.

A very short beard is in fashion these days, so you might try that.  It is easy to do with an electric razor.

I'm 5' 3" and have a 32-26-32 figure so  I've been misgendered all my life.  It is hard to overcome the initial impression of size and shape.  But, being AMAB, and having lived through all sorts of issues, it no longer bothers me.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Tentacles on December 03, 2018, 03:59:14 PM
It happened to me too. Try to grow a beard an everything will be fine.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Artistic_Gene on December 03, 2018, 05:32:44 PM
I was on T for over two years and still get gendered female almost 100% of the time. Sometimes it can take a while before our changes really register. My voice did lower but not enough, and my bones thickened (but not enough), all that jazz. Patience is hard to have but it's the only cure for a problem like this. I hope your masculinization goes much faster than mine did.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Hughie on December 03, 2018, 09:15:49 PM
Quote from: Tentacles on December 03, 2018, 03:59:14 PM
It happened to me too. Try to grow a beard an everything will be fine.

Cheers, I think I'll try the deal with Rogaine and see if I have any luck.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Hughie on December 03, 2018, 09:17:09 PM
Quote from: Artistic_Gene on December 03, 2018, 05:32:44 PM
I was on T for over two years and still get gendered female almost 100% of the time. Sometimes it can take a while before our changes really register. My voice did lower but not enough, and my bones thickened (but not enough), all that jazz. Patience is hard to have but it's the only cure for a problem like this. I hope your masculinization goes much faster than mine did.

Cheers! It's good to know I'm not the only one and sorry it's taken so long for you. I hear you on the patience. I know in the scheme of things it's not a long time but I am impatient. ;D
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: meatwagon on December 05, 2018, 04:32:47 PM
Hang in there.  I know where you're coming from, being stuck in that stage where the problem is your face and no amount of haircuts or men's clothes or aggressively standing with your legs wide apart and waving your man-flag around would change it.  I know people are only trying to be helpful and make sure you've got your bases covered when they offer tips about how to dress and how to move and all that, but honestly sometimes the only thing you really need is the hardest thing of all in this situation: patience.  Which I'm not much help for, as I don't have any, myself.  All I can say is that it did slowly start getting better for me around the time I was approaching the one year mark.  Now that it's been a little over a year, I pass more often than not but still have people who knew me from "before" going on as though they haven't noticed any changes.  And the minute someone who doesn't know you gets that confirmation from someone else that you're a "she", game over.  That's how it is for me, anyway, ymmv but yeah this is a really uncomfortable spot to be in. 
Everyone is different, genetics, blah blah blah, but if you're concerned that you're not where you should be, there's no harm in discussing it with your doctor even if the charts say your T levels are normal.  There could be other factors at play that need ruling out, or it could just continue to be a waiting game.  Considering that there are plenty of cis men who also don't pass, though, I'd say your best bet in the meantime is to get comfortable with correcting people.  That's something I struggle with, but I've been lucky enough lately that the ugly prepubescent facial hair usually tips the balance in my favor.  If you can't grow a beard, you gotta grow confidence in your gender.  Both is good, but we can't all be so lucky.  At least one of the two will usually help. 
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Hughie on December 06, 2018, 08:33:02 AM
Quote from: meatwagon on December 05, 2018, 04:32:47 PM
Hang in there.  I know where you're coming from, being stuck in that stage where the problem is your face and no amount of haircuts or men's clothes or aggressively standing with your legs wide apart and waving your man-flag around would change it.  I know people are only trying to be helpful and make sure you've got your bases covered when they offer tips about how to dress and how to move and all that, but honestly sometimes the only thing you really need is the hardest thing of all in this situation: patience.  Which I'm not much help for, as I don't have any, myself.  All I can say is that it did slowly start getting better for me around the time I was approaching the one year mark.  Now that it's been a little over a year, I pass more often than not but still have people who knew me from "before" going on as though they haven't noticed any changes.  And the minute someone who doesn't know you gets that confirmation from someone else that you're a "she", game over.  That's how it is for me, anyway, ymmv but yeah this is a really uncomfortable spot to be in. 
Everyone is different, genetics, blah blah blah, but if you're concerned that you're not where you should be, there's no harm in discussing it with your doctor even if the charts say your T levels are normal.  There could be other factors at play that need ruling out, or it could just continue to be a waiting game.  Considering that there are plenty of cis men who also don't pass, though, I'd say your best bet in the meantime is to get comfortable with correcting people.  That's something I struggle with, but I've been lucky enough lately that the ugly prepubescent facial hair usually tips the balance in my favor.  If you can't grow a beard, you gotta grow confidence in your gender.  Both is good, but we can't all be so lucky.  At least one of the two will usually help.

Cheers! Yeah, I think most of my issue is in the face right now and only time will sort that out. I tried the short hair thing in the summer and it was really uncomfortable for me, so I don't think I'll be doing that again. I'll just have to wait for more fat distribution and dress etc how I'm comfortable in the meantime. I'm confident in myself  about my identity, and about correcting pronouns from people I see regularly, but not worth it for a person at the check out in a shop.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: CursedFireDean on January 01, 2019, 03:34:28 PM
I don't have much advice, but I did want to just offer my words of support and tell you that I relate. I was consistently misgendered around 1 year on T which I found incredibly frustrating, and relatively frequently later when I let my hair grow too long. Even with noticeable facial hair it's happened, though the facial hair growing has helped immensely. I (4+ years on T) STILL get misgendered on the phone and in drive through lines, though not in person anymore. Misgendering takes a long long time to go away.

I remember when I started transitioning, the idea of being 1 year on T seemed like forever and it seemed like so much would happen. Being a year on T, it felt like I hadn't made any progress at all. Ultimately, 1 year on T really isn't that long, there's still tons of potential for more of the slow long-term changes, like fat redistribution and facial hair and those things. They're subtle and hard to see change and often it can feel like they aren't changing at all, and it may be that those things just need to keep going.

I checked out the picture you posted. I definitely see some potential in your face to be read as male, so I'm going to try to pinpoint some things you can try to do. I think the way you're holding your lips may be contributing which I saw someone else mention. Perhaps try a short haircut? I usually suggest something short on the sides with slightly more length up top, so that the head appears more squarish. I know you said you don't want to go too short, and I don't know enough about hair to really suggest something other than an undercut, which it sounds like is definitely shorter than you want.

Ultimately though, just time. Facial hair will definitely help a lot once that starts to grow in (mine didn't grow in a reasonable amount until around 2-3 years on T, and at 4+ I'm still waiting for more) and your face will continue to subtly change as you've been on T longer. The time really does start to pass faster and faster, before you know it you'll be several years in too and look at your face and see how much it's changed.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: luckygirl on January 01, 2019, 04:44:29 PM
one year does not a puberty make. I know of no one that actually went through puberty that fast. For most of us trans people, this is a 3,4 or 5 year proposition. The sad truth no one wants to talk about. Then add the nonsense of the interwebs with some guy posting his picture of him looking like a barbie doll and then his one year time line where he looks like some male movie star not only doesn't help, it may not even be true, But it screws with our heads, anyways. Give it some time. Actually, give it a lot of time. And do what you can. That shirt and hair in that pic do you no favors. Sorry, just saying. Good luck, dude!
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Hughie on February 10, 2019, 09:15:03 PM
Quote from: CursedFireDean on January 01, 2019, 03:34:28 PM
I don't have much advice, but I did want to just offer my words of support and tell you that I relate. I was consistently misgendered around 1 year on T which I found incredibly frustrating, and relatively frequently later when I let my hair grow too long. Even with noticeable facial hair it's happened, though the facial hair growing has helped immensely. I (4+ years on T) STILL get misgendered on the phone and in drive through lines, though not in person anymore. Misgendering takes a long long time to go away.

I remember when I started transitioning, the idea of being 1 year on T seemed like forever and it seemed like so much would happen. Being a year on T, it felt like I hadn't made any progress at all. Ultimately, 1 year on T really isn't that long, there's still tons of potential for more of the slow long-term changes, like fat redistribution and facial hair and those things. They're subtle and hard to see change and often it can feel like they aren't changing at all, and it may be that those things just need to keep going.

I checked out the picture you posted. I definitely see some potential in your face to be read as male, so I'm going to try to pinpoint some things you can try to do. I think the way you're holding your lips may be contributing which I saw someone else mention. Perhaps try a short haircut? I usually suggest something short on the sides with slightly more length up top, so that the head appears more squarish. I know you said you don't want to go too short, and I don't know enough about hair to really suggest something other than an undercut, which it sounds like is definitely shorter than you want.

Ultimately though, just time. Facial hair will definitely help a lot once that starts to grow in (mine didn't grow in a reasonable amount until around 2-3 years on T, and at 4+ I'm still waiting for more) and your face will continue to subtly change as you've been on T longer. The time really does start to pass faster and faster, before you know it you'll be several years in too and look at your face and see how much it's changed.

Cheers, it's great to hear about your experience for some hope. :)  I actually did try an undercut with shaved sides, long on top, but no difference in how I was read. It just made me feel even more uncomfortable in my own skin (though slightly cooler given the warm September, haha). Facial hair is starting at least.

I did get blood work done by my doc again in January and discovered my T was too low the last five months, so there's that. Other things were still happening without fail, like that dread monthly thing, which also made me think this is not all in my head or just that it takes a long time for these things to take effect. Though absolutely, this is on a scale of years and not months.

But you do look amazing in your pic. Great to see what time will do.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Hughie on February 10, 2019, 09:18:40 PM
Quote from: luckygirl on January 01, 2019, 04:44:29 PM
one year does not a puberty make. I know of no one that actually went through puberty that fast. For most of us trans people, this is a 3,4 or 5 year proposition. The sad truth no one wants to talk about. Then add the nonsense of the interwebs with some guy posting his picture of him looking like a barbie doll and then his one year time line where he looks like some male movie star not only doesn't help, it may not even be true, But it screws with our heads, anyways. Give it some time. Actually, give it a lot of time. And do what you can. That shirt and hair in that pic do you no favors. Sorry, just saying. Good luck, dude!

Yes, you're definitely right that this does take years. Along with hormones being in the right ranges. :)
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: mm on February 10, 2019, 10:01:08 PM
Hughie, when that monthly thing is occurring, there is likely something wrong with your hormones levels especially your T level.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Ryuichi13 on February 10, 2019, 10:16:14 PM
Quote from: Hughie on February 10, 2019, 09:15:03 PM
Cheers, it's great to hear about your experience for some hope. :)  I actually did try an undercut with shaved sides, long on top, but no difference in how I was read. It just made me feel even more uncomfortable in my own skin (though slightly cooler given the warm September, haha). Facial hair is starting at least.

I did get blood work done by my doc again in January and discovered my T was too low the last five months, so there's that. Other things were still happening without fail, like that dread monthly thing, which also made me think this is not all in my head or just that it takes a long time for these things to take effect. Though absolutely, this is on a scale of years and not months.

But you do look amazing in your pic. Great to see what time will do.

Chances are, if you're still having your monthly "Shark Week," your T levels are too low.  Maybe talk to your endo about increasing them.

I don't know if you're transmasculine/male/transman/etc or nonbinary, but if you're going for transmasculine/etc, Shark Week should stop once your T levels are where they should be for a cis man.  Again, talk to your endo.

Another reminder. "puberty takes years, not months."  My voice is still cracking every now and then, and I've been on T for almost 27 months now.  :)

Ryuichi
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Charlie Nicki on February 11, 2019, 10:27:43 AM
Quote from: Hughie on November 28, 2018, 11:00:10 AM
Here's a pic this morning... admittedly, the hair's out of control, haha. This got out of hand this week.

https://imgur.com/a/jMwYDF2

I would get a buzzcut and change the glasses frame for something smaller and more square like this maybe:

https://www.glassesusa.com/black-medium/revel-calloway/35-p10922.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4eXlwoy04AIVxCaGCh0doAvPEAYYBSABEgL_EPD_BwE
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Hughie on February 11, 2019, 05:39:10 PM
Quote from: mm on February 10, 2019, 10:01:08 PM
Hughie, when that monthly thing is occurring, there is likely something wrong with your hormones levels especially your T level.

That's what I figured, when the guidance here is that most trans guys here have it stop after 3-6 months (though not all). I was telling my GP, who manages my hormones and is pretty savvy with the trans stuff and hormones. I'm technically in range but the bottom end, but judging by what was happening and what wasn't, it wasn't enough for me.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Hughie on February 11, 2019, 05:40:39 PM
Quote from: Ryuichi13 on February 10, 2019, 10:16:14 PM
Chances are, if you're still having your monthly "Shark Week," your T levels are too low.  Maybe talk to your endo about increasing them.

I don't know if you're transmasculine/male/transman/etc or nonbinary, but if you're going for transmasculine/etc, Shark Week should stop once your T levels are where they should be for a cis man.  Again, talk to your endo.

Another reminder. "puberty takes years, not months."  My voice is still cracking every now and then, and I've been on T for almost 27 months now.  :)

Ryuichi

I'm going for trans guy. ;)  I will say that the last few days my throat is sore and my voice has dropped, after 2-3 weeks on the new dose. And the monthly thing didn't happen, so perhaps I'm finally going in the right direction now.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Hughie on February 11, 2019, 05:43:52 PM
Quote from: Charlie Nicki on February 11, 2019, 10:27:43 AM
I would get a buzzcut and change the glasses frame for something smaller and more square like this maybe:

https://www.glassesusa.com/black-medium/revel-calloway/35-p10922.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4eXlwoy04AIVxCaGCh0doAvPEAYYBSABEgL_EPD_BwE

The glasses are cool. Mine are a similar shape, square, but tortoiseshell. I think, though, I'd have a melt down with a buzzcut, haha. The fade was more than enough for me. ;)

I do feel calmer knowing that thinking changes weren't happening wasn't just in my head. They happened a bit at first, then stalemate for ages. Now I have an answer and can see some more changes happening, so I'm relieved, even if this will take years. Things are moving in the right direction finally.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: mm on February 11, 2019, 06:54:53 PM
From what you say now T is probably starting to give you the affect you want; skipping your monthly is a great sign.
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: OliverR. on February 26, 2019, 08:09:15 AM
I think a different haircut and shirt would probably do the trick. You look more on the androgynous at the moment, not necessarily female. I'm not on t yet, but my twin brother who also is started about a year ago and in the first few months his *ahem* stopped. I would get that checked out, maybe you need a higher does?
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: OliverR. on February 27, 2019, 11:45:31 AM
I know it's probably against the rules to make a double post, but after looking at your picture I'm getting a johnny depp vibe from you haha :D
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: Joey93 on March 21, 2019, 12:46:30 PM
I think the haircut contributes to it. Try a classic masculine haircut.

I'm 8 months on T and I don't have visible facial hair yet except for a few darker sideburn hairs. I shave especially when I'm going out. Adult men don't have peach fuzz so I suggest that you shave it, so you'll look clean shaven. Many cis men have that look.
Finally, I know 1 year seems like a lot but it's really not. Most guys don't see radical changes after only 1 year unless they're incredibly lucky with genetics.
I was very lucky that my voice started dropping after only 1 month, but other things like facial hair and muscle mass are really really slow for me.
Try consciously speaking with a lower voice, from your chest.

When people misgender you, simply correct them. If they say ma'am, just say "Sir, actually" or "I'm a man"

Be patient, those who see radical changes in only 1 year on T are genetically lucky!
Title: Re: not passing on T after 1 year
Post by: ciacia on April 09, 2019, 02:34:40 PM
Hun, I think I passed more of T than after almost seven years of it. I have stopped taking T now because I realised that I cannot live the rest of my life without my hair.