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Title: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: stephanie_craxford on February 24, 2006, 05:52:03 PM
Post by: stephanie_craxford on February 24, 2006, 05:52:03 PM
While not specifically related to the TG Community it would seem that S. Dakota has opened up the abortion issue again with repressive legislation that removes a woman's right to determine what is best for her own body. It will throw women back to the dark ages and for the MtF to a degree.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060224/pl_nm/rights_abortion_dc (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060224/pl_nm/rights_abortion_dc)
And if I may make this observation
It would seem that this leading western democracy which supposedly champions the rights and freedoms of those who suffer under repressive regimes is itself becoming the repressive state they invaded other countries to free. Who is going to free who?
Steph
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060224/pl_nm/rights_abortion_dc (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060224/pl_nm/rights_abortion_dc)
And if I may make this observation
It would seem that this leading western democracy which supposedly champions the rights and freedoms of those who suffer under repressive regimes is itself becoming the repressive state they invaded other countries to free. Who is going to free who?
Steph
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: Alexandra on February 24, 2006, 06:43:45 PM
Post by: Alexandra on February 24, 2006, 06:43:45 PM
This is a deliberate attempt to bring Roe vs Wade back to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Stephanie, the Dark Ages started for us on Jan 15, 2001. :(
Stephanie, the Dark Ages started for us on Jan 15, 2001. :(
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: beth on February 24, 2006, 06:55:11 PM
Post by: beth on February 24, 2006, 06:55:11 PM
Steph,
"this leading western democracy" is the only reason Canadians are not speaking Japanese, Russian or German. It isn't perfect but then we don't have a big brother to take care of us no matter what a brat we are.
beth
"this leading western democracy" is the only reason Canadians are not speaking Japanese, Russian or German. It isn't perfect but then we don't have a big brother to take care of us no matter what a brat we are.
beth
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: stephanie_craxford on February 24, 2006, 08:05:07 PM
Post by: stephanie_craxford on February 24, 2006, 08:05:07 PM
Beth.
My post was not meant as "US Bashing" but an observation of what is actually happening in the US. I would also like to say that my country is not perfect either. For example my own provincial government delisted SRS/GRS as a funded medical benefit to us. The newly elected Conservative Government has many right wing religious types in it's ranks and part of their platform is to undo the newly passed same Sex Marriage Laws.
If I may...
I would certainly hope that your reply is not typical and that your opinion is one of few who see the U.S. as global police, big brother, the keeper of all things right. Not only would I be thanking the US for their contribution but also I would be thanking the Russians for the sacrifices they made to help defeat the Germans, and Japanese for they over all others suffered the most monstrous casualties of the conflict. I would also thank the hero's of the RAF during the Battle of Britain where they stood alone in the face of the German Air Force. To imply that my Country did not sacrifice it's youth and innocence to protect the freedom of it's people is insulting. You obviously no nothing of Vimy Ridge, and the many other Battle Honors Canadians earned during both WW1 and 2.
One of our poorest Provinces fielded one our most famous infantry regiments - The Royal Newfoundland Regiment. It's Battle Honors include the following:
Somme 1916,
Albert 1916,
Le Transloy,
Arras 1917,
Scarpe 1917,
Ypres 1917 '18,
Langemarck 1917,
Poelcappelle, Cambrai 1917,
Lys, Bailleul, Kemmel, Courtrai, France and Flanders 1916-18,
Gallipoli 1915-16,
Egypt 1915-16
You may may observe that they have no Battle Honors after 1916 or for WW2, that's because the Regiment was wiped out in the battle of Beaumont Hamel fighting for freedom and democracy:
At 9:00 p.m. on June 30, the regiment turned out for the final time: 25 officers, 776 NCOs and other ranks. Among the young men preparing for their first experience of going over the top there was little evidence of foreboding. "It is surprising to see how happy and light-hearted everyone is," Lieutenant Owen Steele noted in his diary, "and yet this is undoubtedly the last day for a good many." Optimism prevailed. "The climax of our troubles will be reached within the next few days after which the day of peace will quickly draw near" (Steele 339–40). It was his last entry. He was killed six days later.
Promptly at 6:25 a.m. on July 1, the artillery bombardment began. At 7:20 a.m. the mines under Hawthorn Ridge exploded, warning the Germans that an attack was about to begin. The subsequent 10-minute delay in launching the offensive also allowed the Germans time to prepare for battle. Private John Ryan recalled thinking after the explosion, "That's it, we're licked" (Atwater 213).
Almost immediately, the opening phase of the 29th Division's attack began to falter under withering enemy fire. Confusion was compounded by poor communication. General de Lisle mistook German flares for a signal of success from the attacking 87th Brigade, and ordered the 88th Brigade to move, with the Essex and Newfoundland Regiments advancing "as soon as possible." But the Essex soldiers were unable to leave their trenches because of the large number of dead and wounded soldiers.
Thus it was that the Newfoundlanders moved off on their own at 9:15 a.m., their objective the first and second line of enemy trenches, some 650 to 900 metres away. In magnificent order, practiced many times before, they moved down the exposed slope towards No Man's Land, the rear sections waiting until those forward reached the required 40-metre distance ahead. No friendly artillery fire covered the advance. A murderous cross-fire cut across the advancing columns and men began to drop, at first not many but then in large numbers as they approached the first gaps in their own wire. Private Anthony Stacey, who watched the carnage from a forward trench with Lieutenant-Colonel Hadow, stated that "[m]en were mown down in waves,"" and the gaps cut the night before were "a proper trap for our boys as the enemy just set the sights of the machine guns on the gaps in the barbed wire and fired" (Stacey 17A). Doggedly, the survivors continued on towards The Danger Tree. "The only visible sign that the men knew they were under this terrific fire," wrote one observer, "was that they all instinctively tucked their chins into an advanced shoulder as they had so often done when fighting their way home against a blizzard in some little outport in far off Newfoundland" (Raley 37–40). Few advanced beyond it. Stacey recalled that from his vantage point he "could see no moving, but lots of heaps of khaki slumped on the ground" (Stacey 19). The few who did get to the German lines were horrified to discover that the week-long artillery barrage that preceded the attack had not cut the German barbed wire. This fact was known by commanders the night before, thanks to a report by a Newfoundland reconnaissance team. The news was dismissed on the grounds that it was due to the "nervousness of men who were facing battle for the first time" (Gilham). As a consequence, the majority of the soldiers who reached the enemy trenches were killed, tangled in the uncut wire.
In less than 30 minutes it was all over. At 9:45 a.m., Hadow, who had witnessed the annihilation of his regiment from a forward position, reported to Brigade Headquarters that the attack had failed. Incredibly, he was ordered to collect up any unwounded and resume the attack. Fortunately, wiser counsel prevailed and the order was countermanded. Throughout the day survivors attempted the long and dangerous journey back to their own lines, many being an easy target for enemy snipers and artillery fire. Ron Dunne lay wounded on the battlefield for several days. On the second day, convinced that he would soon die, his thoughts turned homeward to Bonavista Bay and his mother. "I said me prayers," he recalled, and then drifted off, unaware that rescue was on the way (Memorial).
That night the search began for survivors. When the roll call was taken, only 68 responded. The full cost would not be known for several days. The final figures revealed that the regiment had been virtually wiped out: 710 killed, wounded or missing. Most were struck down before they reached beyond their own front line (Middlebrook 269).
___
You may also not recall that the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry received A US Presidential citation for it's heroic defence of retreating US forces in Korea in the face of overwhelming communist forces (I would like you to list other Foreign Forces who have been awarded this citation). Ever hear of the "Devils Brigade". You may not recall that it was the Canadians who saved the US hostages in Iran. You may also not know that Canadian Special Forces help train the US rescue mission of these same hostages that was aborted due to the collision of the rescue aircraft. You may also not recall that Canadians fought alongside US forces in the Gulf War, I know, I was there. I will grant that the US actively took part in both world wars after it was itself attacked and this in turn led to an earlier resolution of the conflicts but to imply that it was the US and the US alone is nonsense. I would say more but dignity and decorum of Susan's is not the place.
Steph
My post was not meant as "US Bashing" but an observation of what is actually happening in the US. I would also like to say that my country is not perfect either. For example my own provincial government delisted SRS/GRS as a funded medical benefit to us. The newly elected Conservative Government has many right wing religious types in it's ranks and part of their platform is to undo the newly passed same Sex Marriage Laws.
If I may...
I would certainly hope that your reply is not typical and that your opinion is one of few who see the U.S. as global police, big brother, the keeper of all things right. Not only would I be thanking the US for their contribution but also I would be thanking the Russians for the sacrifices they made to help defeat the Germans, and Japanese for they over all others suffered the most monstrous casualties of the conflict. I would also thank the hero's of the RAF during the Battle of Britain where they stood alone in the face of the German Air Force. To imply that my Country did not sacrifice it's youth and innocence to protect the freedom of it's people is insulting. You obviously no nothing of Vimy Ridge, and the many other Battle Honors Canadians earned during both WW1 and 2.
One of our poorest Provinces fielded one our most famous infantry regiments - The Royal Newfoundland Regiment. It's Battle Honors include the following:
Somme 1916,
Albert 1916,
Le Transloy,
Arras 1917,
Scarpe 1917,
Ypres 1917 '18,
Langemarck 1917,
Poelcappelle, Cambrai 1917,
Lys, Bailleul, Kemmel, Courtrai, France and Flanders 1916-18,
Gallipoli 1915-16,
Egypt 1915-16
You may may observe that they have no Battle Honors after 1916 or for WW2, that's because the Regiment was wiped out in the battle of Beaumont Hamel fighting for freedom and democracy:
At 9:00 p.m. on June 30, the regiment turned out for the final time: 25 officers, 776 NCOs and other ranks. Among the young men preparing for their first experience of going over the top there was little evidence of foreboding. "It is surprising to see how happy and light-hearted everyone is," Lieutenant Owen Steele noted in his diary, "and yet this is undoubtedly the last day for a good many." Optimism prevailed. "The climax of our troubles will be reached within the next few days after which the day of peace will quickly draw near" (Steele 339–40). It was his last entry. He was killed six days later.
Promptly at 6:25 a.m. on July 1, the artillery bombardment began. At 7:20 a.m. the mines under Hawthorn Ridge exploded, warning the Germans that an attack was about to begin. The subsequent 10-minute delay in launching the offensive also allowed the Germans time to prepare for battle. Private John Ryan recalled thinking after the explosion, "That's it, we're licked" (Atwater 213).
Almost immediately, the opening phase of the 29th Division's attack began to falter under withering enemy fire. Confusion was compounded by poor communication. General de Lisle mistook German flares for a signal of success from the attacking 87th Brigade, and ordered the 88th Brigade to move, with the Essex and Newfoundland Regiments advancing "as soon as possible." But the Essex soldiers were unable to leave their trenches because of the large number of dead and wounded soldiers.
Thus it was that the Newfoundlanders moved off on their own at 9:15 a.m., their objective the first and second line of enemy trenches, some 650 to 900 metres away. In magnificent order, practiced many times before, they moved down the exposed slope towards No Man's Land, the rear sections waiting until those forward reached the required 40-metre distance ahead. No friendly artillery fire covered the advance. A murderous cross-fire cut across the advancing columns and men began to drop, at first not many but then in large numbers as they approached the first gaps in their own wire. Private Anthony Stacey, who watched the carnage from a forward trench with Lieutenant-Colonel Hadow, stated that "[m]en were mown down in waves,"" and the gaps cut the night before were "a proper trap for our boys as the enemy just set the sights of the machine guns on the gaps in the barbed wire and fired" (Stacey 17A). Doggedly, the survivors continued on towards The Danger Tree. "The only visible sign that the men knew they were under this terrific fire," wrote one observer, "was that they all instinctively tucked their chins into an advanced shoulder as they had so often done when fighting their way home against a blizzard in some little outport in far off Newfoundland" (Raley 37–40). Few advanced beyond it. Stacey recalled that from his vantage point he "could see no moving, but lots of heaps of khaki slumped on the ground" (Stacey 19). The few who did get to the German lines were horrified to discover that the week-long artillery barrage that preceded the attack had not cut the German barbed wire. This fact was known by commanders the night before, thanks to a report by a Newfoundland reconnaissance team. The news was dismissed on the grounds that it was due to the "nervousness of men who were facing battle for the first time" (Gilham). As a consequence, the majority of the soldiers who reached the enemy trenches were killed, tangled in the uncut wire.
In less than 30 minutes it was all over. At 9:45 a.m., Hadow, who had witnessed the annihilation of his regiment from a forward position, reported to Brigade Headquarters that the attack had failed. Incredibly, he was ordered to collect up any unwounded and resume the attack. Fortunately, wiser counsel prevailed and the order was countermanded. Throughout the day survivors attempted the long and dangerous journey back to their own lines, many being an easy target for enemy snipers and artillery fire. Ron Dunne lay wounded on the battlefield for several days. On the second day, convinced that he would soon die, his thoughts turned homeward to Bonavista Bay and his mother. "I said me prayers," he recalled, and then drifted off, unaware that rescue was on the way (Memorial).
That night the search began for survivors. When the roll call was taken, only 68 responded. The full cost would not be known for several days. The final figures revealed that the regiment had been virtually wiped out: 710 killed, wounded or missing. Most were struck down before they reached beyond their own front line (Middlebrook 269).
___
You may also not recall that the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry received A US Presidential citation for it's heroic defence of retreating US forces in Korea in the face of overwhelming communist forces (I would like you to list other Foreign Forces who have been awarded this citation). Ever hear of the "Devils Brigade". You may not recall that it was the Canadians who saved the US hostages in Iran. You may also not know that Canadian Special Forces help train the US rescue mission of these same hostages that was aborted due to the collision of the rescue aircraft. You may also not recall that Canadians fought alongside US forces in the Gulf War, I know, I was there. I will grant that the US actively took part in both world wars after it was itself attacked and this in turn led to an earlier resolution of the conflicts but to imply that it was the US and the US alone is nonsense. I would say more but dignity and decorum of Susan's is not the place.
Steph
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: beth on February 24, 2006, 08:42:15 PM
Post by: beth on February 24, 2006, 08:42:15 PM
Steph,
My post was not meant as "Canadian bashing" but as an observation of what has happened thru world wars and the cold war. I never said Canadians did not suffer or do their very best, just that they would not have prevailed without the US. Canada has never had to maintain an armed force large enough to defend itself because of it's proximity and friendship to the US. I in no way said I see the US as the global police, big brother or anything else. I think I have made my point which was it is easy to hurt feelings when you critisize someone elses country.
beth
edit... I want to publicly appologize to Steph and anyone else I may have offended by my remarks about Canada. I was hurt by what she said about the united states but I should never have responded the way I did.
beth
My post was not meant as "Canadian bashing" but as an observation of what has happened thru world wars and the cold war. I never said Canadians did not suffer or do their very best, just that they would not have prevailed without the US. Canada has never had to maintain an armed force large enough to defend itself because of it's proximity and friendship to the US. I in no way said I see the US as the global police, big brother or anything else. I think I have made my point which was it is easy to hurt feelings when you critisize someone elses country.
beth
edit... I want to publicly appologize to Steph and anyone else I may have offended by my remarks about Canada. I was hurt by what she said about the united states but I should never have responded the way I did.
beth
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: Alexandra on February 24, 2006, 08:48:17 PM
Post by: Alexandra on February 24, 2006, 08:48:17 PM
For the record, as an American I say we've long crossed the thin line between doing admirable good for the world and outright bullying. We've been given a history lesson (and a black eye) with the whole world watching. Hopefully those that come later will remember.
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: melissa_girl on February 24, 2006, 09:23:25 PM
Post by: melissa_girl on February 24, 2006, 09:23:25 PM
Quote from: beth on February 24, 2006, 08:42:15 PM
I in no way said I see the US as the global police, big brother or anything else.
It sure sounded that way with:
Quote from: beth on February 24, 2006, 06:55:11 PM
It isn't perfect but then we don't have a big brother to take care of us no matter what a brat we are.
Anyway, being a US citizen, I certainly don't share the view of "the U.S. as global police, big brother, the keeper of all things right". I think the bushes (and a few other US presidents) have tried to take this role only to have it blow up in their face.
Melissa
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: stephanie_craxford on February 24, 2006, 10:04:54 PM
Post by: stephanie_craxford on February 24, 2006, 10:04:54 PM
Quote from: beth on February 24, 2006, 08:42:15 PM
Steph,
My post was not meant as "Canadian bashing" but as an observation of what has happened thru world wars and the cold war. I never said Canadians did not suffer or do their very best, just that they would not have prevailed without the US. Canada has never had to maintain an armed force large enough to defend itself because of it's proximity and friendship to the US. I in no way said I see the US as the global police, big brother or anything else. I think I have made my point which was it is easy to hurt feelings when you critisize someone elses country.
beth
edit... I want to publicly appologize to Steph and anyone else I may have offended by my remarks about Canada. I was hurt by what she said about the united states but I should never have responded the way I did.
beth
Thank you Beth,
Obviously like you Beth I am a fiercely proud of my country. However I probably over reacted to your comments and offer my apologies to you.
I just see it as being so strange that the US preaches freedom and human rights throughout the rest of the world, while issues like those in S. Dakota occur.
Steph
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: HelenW on February 24, 2006, 11:06:20 PM
Post by: HelenW on February 24, 2006, 11:06:20 PM
"I just see it as being so strange that the US preaches freedom and human rights throughout the rest of the world, while issues like those in S. Dakota occur."
It's the filthy hypocracy of the right wing neoconservative slimeballs currently in power that disgusts and shames me as a citizen of the United States. I can only hope that the population will recognize these people's failures and correct our course, as we have done in the past.
If this continues, I may even have to leave. I never thought it possible that I would ever have to consider such a thing but these past few years, considering the tremendous wrongs being perpetrated upon humanity by the power hungry zealots that are running our government, it has crossed my mind more than a few times that it may be necessary to emmigrate if they continue to fool the public into allowing them to consolidate their stranglehold on the political life of our country.
The good news is that Americans seem to be waking up a little.
But is it too late?
helen
It's the filthy hypocracy of the right wing neoconservative slimeballs currently in power that disgusts and shames me as a citizen of the United States. I can only hope that the population will recognize these people's failures and correct our course, as we have done in the past.
If this continues, I may even have to leave. I never thought it possible that I would ever have to consider such a thing but these past few years, considering the tremendous wrongs being perpetrated upon humanity by the power hungry zealots that are running our government, it has crossed my mind more than a few times that it may be necessary to emmigrate if they continue to fool the public into allowing them to consolidate their stranglehold on the political life of our country.
The good news is that Americans seem to be waking up a little.
But is it too late?
helen
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: beth on February 25, 2006, 01:08:07 AM
Post by: beth on February 25, 2006, 01:08:07 AM
Melissa,
"Big brother" has several meanings. Steph can correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed when she used it she was refering to the Orwellian "Big Brother" that is controling and watching everyone. I used "Big Brother" in the sense of a friend and protector. I in no way think or said the US should be the world police or control anyone or any country.
beth
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: Alexandra on February 25, 2006, 01:27:31 AM
Post by: Alexandra on February 25, 2006, 01:27:31 AM
Quote from: HelenW on February 24, 2006, 11:06:20 PM
If this continues, I may even have to leave.
No, Helen, please don't leave, its our country as much as it is the nitwits! I'm spending my time here making life just as miserable for the ultra right conservatives as they are making mine. If they don't like me. THEY can move! :)
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: Leigh on February 25, 2006, 08:34:18 AM
Post by: Leigh on February 25, 2006, 08:34:18 AM
Quote from: Stephanie Craxford on February 24, 2006, 05:52:03 PM
While not specifically related to the TG Community
This relates directly to the TG Community.
It the zealots that control this country now are telling natal women what they can and cannot do to their body, can you imagaine what they would like to tell those who are pursueing surgery?
An attempt by religions or politicians to take control over a womans body is an attack on us.
Leigh
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: Chaunte on February 25, 2006, 08:34:50 AM
Post by: Chaunte on February 25, 2006, 08:34:50 AM
Quote from: Alexandra on February 25, 2006, 01:27:31 AM
No, Helen, please don't leave, its our country as much as it is the nitwits! I'm spending my time here making life just as miserable for the ultra right conservatives as they are making mine. If they don't like me. THEY can move! :)
The only way to change the present system is from within. It does no good to scream at the system from the outside. This is true of politics whether it be governmental or industrial.
This is why I keep pushing the vote. We have to start at the local level and work our way up. This is how we got into the mess we are in now - it started at the local level and went up. It took years for us to get in the mess that we are in. It will take years to get us out, but we will get ourselves out of it.
This is why every vote counts.
Chaunte
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: Cassandra on February 26, 2006, 07:15:55 PM
Post by: Cassandra on February 26, 2006, 07:15:55 PM
QuoteThe good news is that Americans seem to be waking up a little.
But is it too late?
Not if you support and vote for me. I can win, but not without support.
Cassie
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: LostInTime on February 27, 2006, 02:29:05 PM
Post by: LostInTime on February 27, 2006, 02:29:05 PM
No surprise, this comes up every so often. Causes a furor and then goes away for a bit. Have to gear up for the elections, don't ya know?
I love the US and the system works as long as enough people give a damn to take part in it. However, I do not see any indicators that the people are "waking up" en masse. One sign of a revolution is when the common man starts to take an interest in politics.
"Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want rain without thunder and lightning." Frederick Douglass
"If a sovereign oppresses his people to a degree they will rise and cut off his head. There is a remedy in human nature against tyranny that will keep us safe under every form of government." Samuel Johnson (my note: it is still too early to go this route)
Make sure that you get out and vote everytime that the chance comes up. Even changing the most minor offices on the local level can ripple out and upwards.
I love the US and the system works as long as enough people give a damn to take part in it. However, I do not see any indicators that the people are "waking up" en masse. One sign of a revolution is when the common man starts to take an interest in politics.
"Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want rain without thunder and lightning." Frederick Douglass
"If a sovereign oppresses his people to a degree they will rise and cut off his head. There is a remedy in human nature against tyranny that will keep us safe under every form of government." Samuel Johnson (my note: it is still too early to go this route)
Make sure that you get out and vote everytime that the chance comes up. Even changing the most minor offices on the local level can ripple out and upwards.
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: Cassandra on February 27, 2006, 02:56:57 PM
Post by: Cassandra on February 27, 2006, 02:56:57 PM
QuoteEven changing the most minor offices on the local level can ripple out and upwards.
What burns me is getting to the polls to find half the people running are unopposed. Most often it is judges. These offices need someone to oppose the incumbent. I would encourage anyone with a mind to to run for these offices.
Cassie
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: Joseph on March 01, 2006, 10:18:31 PM
Post by: Joseph on March 01, 2006, 10:18:31 PM
Eh... what's the big deal? South Dakota only has a population of about five people anyway.
;)
JUST KIDDING.... after all the heavy posts I figured this thread could use some humor.
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Joseph
;)
JUST KIDDING.... after all the heavy posts I figured this thread could use some humor.
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Joseph
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: Leigh on March 02, 2006, 12:50:11 AM
Post by: Leigh on March 02, 2006, 12:50:11 AM
Or Texas.
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Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: LostInTime on March 02, 2006, 01:02:48 PM
Post by: LostInTime on March 02, 2006, 01:02:48 PM
Miss. is set to do the same and the gov said he would sign it. Would allow abortions ONLY to save a woman's life. No exceptions for rape and incest.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/13990953.htm (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/13990953.htm)
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/13990953.htm (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/13990953.htm)
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: Leigh on March 02, 2006, 09:37:36 PM
Post by: Leigh on March 02, 2006, 09:37:36 PM
I do not believe in abortions just for the sake of having one.
I do believe in a womans right of choice.
And no, this is not a contradiction.
I do believe in a womans right of choice.
And no, this is not a contradiction.
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: Dennis on March 02, 2006, 10:37:46 PM
Post by: Dennis on March 02, 2006, 10:37:46 PM
I agree, Leigh, with all three points. I had a child protection file where the woman, age 26, had had 8 abortions (because she didn't "believe" in birth control) and wanted to have this 9th baby, figuring she was ready.
Given the condition of her, and her life, at the 9th one. I'm glad she didn't have the previous 8, for their sake as well as hers. That would be the closest that I can see to 'abuse' of abortion, but I really can't think that things would have been better any other way. And no, adoption is not an option for someone as mentally disturbed as that. She wouldn't have done it. And she would have screwed up 8 little lives in the time it took to force it legally.
Dennis
Given the condition of her, and her life, at the 9th one. I'm glad she didn't have the previous 8, for their sake as well as hers. That would be the closest that I can see to 'abuse' of abortion, but I really can't think that things would have been better any other way. And no, adoption is not an option for someone as mentally disturbed as that. She wouldn't have done it. And she would have screwed up 8 little lives in the time it took to force it legally.
Dennis
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: Shelley on March 03, 2006, 03:07:07 AM
Post by: Shelley on March 03, 2006, 03:07:07 AM
QuoteI do not believe in abortions just for the sake of having one.
I do believe in a womans right of choice.
And no, this is not a contradiction.
That's right it is not a contradiction it's about the right to determine what is best without it being imposed by others.
Shelley
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: Alexandra on March 03, 2006, 11:34:02 PM
Post by: Alexandra on March 03, 2006, 11:34:02 PM
Once we open that door, anything goes. Who knows what kind of morality the right will try to legislate -- driving while in drag? Within the realm of possibility.
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: Teri Anne on March 04, 2006, 03:08:15 AM
Post by: Teri Anne on March 04, 2006, 03:08:15 AM
Hmm, if abortions are ruled against the law in Mississippi and S. Dakota (didn't George McGovern come from there?!! Whaaahappened?), I wonder what would happen if the daughter of a Republican congressman or senator is raped? Given the secrecy of Republicans (do as I say, not as I do), I imagine they might take a trip to sunny California (or England) for the abortion. I mean, why would a senator's daughter want a remembrance of the rapist on the face of her baby? Get serious.
And then the media will discover it, and it'll be like the Duke Cunningham fiasco (bribed by defense contractors). Imagine that. He gets millions and then has to serve 8 years (well, actually 4 with good behavior). I think a lot of people would want to know how to get millions for 4 years in prison. Heck, many jobs are like prison anyway. Instead of sitting at a computer all day, prisoners get to watch TV, go outside and exercise, work on them license plates. Hmm, these coworkers seem kinda pushy and mean, though. Well, Duke will get a nice country club, I'm sure.
It's so ridiculous that Republicans, the party that historically has (occassionaly) prized individual rights, is so willing to tout their religion over my non-religion. Oh, well. They used to be more fiscally responsible, too (till Reagan). And African-Americans used to like Democrats. It's all so mixed up nowadays. More fodder for the comedy shows and, meanwhile, we pays. And pays.
Teri Anne
And then the media will discover it, and it'll be like the Duke Cunningham fiasco (bribed by defense contractors). Imagine that. He gets millions and then has to serve 8 years (well, actually 4 with good behavior). I think a lot of people would want to know how to get millions for 4 years in prison. Heck, many jobs are like prison anyway. Instead of sitting at a computer all day, prisoners get to watch TV, go outside and exercise, work on them license plates. Hmm, these coworkers seem kinda pushy and mean, though. Well, Duke will get a nice country club, I'm sure.
It's so ridiculous that Republicans, the party that historically has (occassionaly) prized individual rights, is so willing to tout their religion over my non-religion. Oh, well. They used to be more fiscally responsible, too (till Reagan). And African-Americans used to like Democrats. It's all so mixed up nowadays. More fodder for the comedy shows and, meanwhile, we pays. And pays.
Teri Anne
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: Alexandra on March 08, 2006, 03:09:37 PM
Post by: Alexandra on March 08, 2006, 03:09:37 PM
UPDATE . . .
so the governor of SD is now saying they did this deliberately to challenge Roe vs Wade . . . anyway, this will have to go through the state Supreme Court first before it even gets to the US Ciricut Court, then finally, the US supreme Court.
so the governor of SD is now saying they did this deliberately to challenge Roe vs Wade . . . anyway, this will have to go through the state Supreme Court first before it even gets to the US Ciricut Court, then finally, the US supreme Court.
Title: Re: A womans Right to Choose... Not in S. Dakota
Post by: michelle on March 12, 2006, 04:47:39 PM
Post by: michelle on March 12, 2006, 04:47:39 PM
As an individual who was born in Deadwood, SD and lived part of her early life on near Mobridge, I feel that South Dakota really doesn't have a morallity card to play considering Deadwood's history and is only trying to make a name for itself if it over turns Roe vs Wade. Its not that South Dakota doesn't have a claim to moral fiber but the Black Hills area will make a deal with the Devil when it comes to money or publicity. The economy of the Lead Deadwood area is not built on high moral fiber, and I really don't the politicians from that end of the state are either. I believe the ban on abortions in South Dakota is not as simple as it seams.