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Sicko Sues Catholic Hospital (blog)

http://lonestartimes.com/2008/01/19/sicko-sues-catholic-hospital/
01/20/2008

I'd just like to take a moment to note how annoyed I am that the media's standard practice is to call transgendered persons by the wrong gender. If you're born male, that's what your genes and your body will always be. You can lop off certain parts and get saline bags slapped into your chest, and take hormone pills a dozen times daily, but it won't make you female.

>somebody needs to write these idiots and let them know that we aren't sickos.  >:(<

Quote from: Natasha on January 20, 2008, 12:44:11 AM
Sicko Sues Catholic Hospital (blog)

http://lonestartimes.com/2008/01/19/sicko-sues-catholic-hospital/
01/20/2008

I'd just like to take a moment to note how annoyed I am that the media's standard practice is to call transgendered persons by the wrong gender. If you're born male, that's what your genes and your body will always be. You can lop off certain parts and get saline bags slapped into your chest, and take hormone pills a dozen times daily, but it won't make you female.

>somebody needs to write these idiots and let them know that we aren't sickos.  >:(<

It was bad enough to read this last week off some blog.  To read it from the Lone Star News convinces me that they have minds a micron wide or less.

Wing Walker

It always floors me how some people just have no concept of empathy or understanding or anything. And usually they are the people who should know better, the religious types, the "community leaders", the "pillars of society". They must all have been absent from Bible-studies the day "judge not, lest ye be judged" was covered.

I would, but I suppose it's a waste of time to ask them to walk a mile in our shoes. Some people are just too programmed into their narrow little world to ever change.

that was quite amusing to read how wrong some of them were...
R :police:

There's nothing wrong with those comments. Good, upstanding, decent observations. I think the Metallica is rotting your brain. Try some nice, wholesome Brittney instead.  :angel:

Seriously though: SOME?!?! I think they were all bigoted arse comments.

Given the location and leanings of that particular blog I would be surprised were anyone here surprised at what they read. 

im not suprised, just amused :D

and i dont listen to metalica! ill have you know im listening to eurodance atm!
R >:D

Quote from: Rachael on January 20, 2008, 08:48:48 AM
and i dont listen to metalica! ill have you know im listening to eurodance atm!
R >:D

Good. Except for "Enter Sandman" they're overrated anyway. Might I suggest some Tristiana or Amorphis instead? That way we can give the nice folks at Lonestar one more thing to call us evil over...  :P

Posted on: 20 January 2008, 11:28:59

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Mind you, eurodance is already plenty evil...

I actually do agree with this comment.  If it were any other hospital, sure, but if a hospital specifies it conforms to religious standards, wtf?

"Suing to force a religiously affiliated hospital to go against their beliefs? Unbelievable..."

My guess is the good old boys in Texas listen to Metallica far more than Eurodance, or any dance, except Line Dancing.  And hey, consider the source. 

Quote from: kalt on January 20, 2008, 11:37:52 AM
I actually do agree with this comment.  If it were any other hospital, sure, but if a hospital specifies it conforms to religious standards, wtf?

"Suing to force a religiously affiliated hospital to go against their beliefs? Unbelievable..."

You have a point, but I think what gets me are the comments. I know we should have thicker skin about this sort of thing by now, but it still hurts on an off day.

Kind of weird also that the GOB down in Texas are supporting the Catholic Church on this one, as I'm sure its not their favorite religious sect.  I'm sure the hospital will claim (are claiming) that they have the right to refuse any elective (cosmetic) procedures, without violating either the Unhru or Burton Acts.  Its not like its the only hospital in the area either.

Here's my response to this people:
These things are blogs.

You can register if you want, and post a comment.

I did.

That is a very effective way to get a different opinion heard on those sites.

They are open forum.

All you have to do to comment on that site is register with a username and email.

So do it!

Let them hear what others have to say on the subject.

Be Active!

You don't have to march arround anymore,
Activism can be; sit in your livingroom and push a button!

Sara

Quote from: lady amarant on January 20, 2008, 11:42:07 AM

Quote from: kalt on January 20, 2008, 11:37:52 AM
I actually do agree with this comment.  If it were any other hospital, sure, but if a hospital specifies it conforms to religious standards, wtf?

"Suing to force a religiously affiliated hospital to go against their beliefs? Unbelievable..."

You have a point, but I think what gets me are the comments. I know we should have thicker skin about this sort of thing by now, but it still hurts on an off day.

I personally think that referring to transsexuals as, "sickos" in a professional article is a suable offense.  If I had any kind of financial stability I'd go for it.

You can't, its covered by the First Amendment.  Second, its not a professional deal, its a right wing blog.

There's nothing that says we can't register on the blog and take over the commentary. :icon_razz:

First Ammendment bull->-bleeped-<-, they're expressing radical opinions that are detrimental to the mental health of thousands, as well as supporting an image of transsexuals being negative.  If they posted an article saying, "->-bleeped-<- sicko sues hospital" then that site would be closed down and the publishers behind bars within the week.  Effing double standards.

Here is the trouble with that thought.  They think the same about you.  If you start shutting down sites because someone don't like them, sites like this are the first to go, and sites like that will be the last.

Oooooh... yummie case.  I love the ramifications in this one.  A victory in this could help solidify transition surgeries as a medical necessity.  I do hope that she wins.

Cindi

O.M.G.

This blog on the side panell has a major section labled "Jew News"

WOW.

Under California Law a religious hospital does not have to perform any procedure that would go against the tenants of their faith.  Meant in the original to keep people from forcing Catholic hospitals to perform abortions, its going to cover this too.  Its really going to make a difference in that a hospital that would perform this operation is less than five miles away.  It really looks a lot like law suit mining,

Really?
Bummer.
Oh well, I was glad I posted that anyway.
It provides a different perspective than the Trans bashing ones that were going on there.

Like I said, "consider the source."

Quote from: tekla on January 20, 2008, 06:21:10 PM
Under California Law a religious hospital does not have to perform any procedure that would go against the tenants of their faith.  Meant in the original to keep people from forcing Catholic hospitals to perform abortions, its going to cover this too.  Its really going to make a difference in that a hospital that would perform this operation is less than five miles away.  It really looks a lot like law suit mining,

                   The difference in this case is this hospital regularly performs breast augmentation surgeries. BA is not something the hospital refuses to do like an abortion. The law covers procedures they refuse to do, not who gets the procedures. They don't have the right to deny a transsexual woman and they should have their tight butts sued.


beth

I doubt that you will find 12 people in the Bay Area who will find for forcing a private institution to do anything (or else guys could sue to join Dykes on Bikes).  Cali is pretty big on keeping the decisions of private institutions private in that sense.  Moreover, I'm guessing that the hospital has lawyers stacked 12 high in a holding pattern.  Unless she has a "John Edwards" style lawyer, her chances are slim.  She needs a Gloria Allred, and so far, does not have one.

Quote from: beth on January 20, 2008, 07:14:34 PM

Quote from: tekla on January 20, 2008, 06:21:10 PM
Under California Law a religious hospital does not have to perform any procedure that would go against the tenants of their faith.  Meant in the original to keep people from forcing Catholic hospitals to perform abortions, its going to cover this too.  Its really going to make a difference in that a hospital that would perform this operation is less than five miles away.  It really looks a lot like law suit mining,

                   The difference in this case is this hospital regularly performs breast augmentation surgeries. BA is not something the hospital refuses to do like an abortion. The law covers procedures they refuse to do, not who gets the procedures. They don't have the right to deny a transsexual woman and they should have their tight butts sued.


beth

i concord and apparently she's suing:

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080120/NEWS01/841107121

good for her!

making a catholic hospital perform BA on a TRANSWOMAN is the clincher... they dont like ->-bleeped-<-s.... not BA... the beef is her chromasomes, not breasts....
you wont be able to FORCE them to break religon, cant she go elsewhere ffs instead of making a huge fuss?
R >:D

The local coverage, as opposed to NH, is very different.  At any rate, lawsuits are not about right and wrong, they are about good and better lawyers - for the most part.

Her is a link to her story with picture,

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,323791,00.html


In the US private doctors contract with hospitals to do surgeries. This womans doctor does his surgeries at this particular hospital. Even though she has had SRS they refuse to admit her for BA.

You know, its not there were not, or are not other options.  That is critical in determination of the case.  That has been the finding several times on the abortion issue.  As long as there are other options, then there is no case. 

Anyway, the people I know who really want quality work in this area, go to LA where they do boobs like  the emergency ward in Detroit does gunshots on a Friday night.

I do not see the reason to do this at all.  There was more than one choice open here.  It looks more like she was looking for an easy lawsuit then the work.

bit like a woman in the UK recently, who sued a company for not hireing her, she claimed trans discrimination... just after money...
R :police:

OH MY GOD, I'm in agreement with Rachael.  Give me a sec, I have to see if the earth is still spinning and going around the sun.

cheeky mare....
R >:D

I work with way too many people who ask "ay mate, you got a ->-bleeped-<-" which I think in England means something different than it does in San Fran.

Of course, there are the  Scotsmen, who want the box to go "ouut 'n aboot" which we think means "out and about.'  But we're still not sure.  Two "common cultures, separated by a common language" as they say.

But I will think 'cheeky" is good.  If it's not, don't tell me.  Please don't tell me.

uk and us comparason dont work... its two entirely different countries, they just speak the same language....
the aboot thing is accent... oot an aboot is 'out and about, like you said :P
and ->-bleeped-<- does mean cig here too.... :P
R :police:

So how do we find out about all these lawsuits anyways?

Did the hospital go and tattle or did the ->-bleeped-<-?

Or did some wormy news reporter hide in wait in the ceiling of the plastic surgeon until he dug up something, I bet he was hoping for a celebrity.

Lol, Micheal Jackson gets a boob job!

Her LAWYER did the press releases, contacted the media, gave interviews.

And for the most part, US vs. US comparisons don't even work.  Its too big, too different from region to region, East Coast, West Coast, South, Midwest, and even within states, the A1A culture on the east coast of FL is not at all like the Panhandle, LA is not SF (LA is not like anything else) NYC has a lot in common with Chicago, but not Miami - and on. 

And '->-bleeped-<-' in SF does not have anything to do with smoking at all.  Our rather standard answer to 'got a ->-bleeped-<- mate' is "Well, there is John, but your not his type."  Then we give him a cigarette and remind him that this is California, and the nearest indoor smoking area is in Nevada.  And even then, there are lots of places - outdoors - in SF where you can't smoke.

heh, stick to offering him a cigarette, british people dont take gay humour too well :P
R >:D

Quote from: tekla on January 20, 2008, 06:21:10 PM
Under California Law a religious hospital does not have to perform any procedure that would go against the tenants of their faith.  Meant in the original to keep people from forcing Catholic hospitals to perform abortions, its going to cover this too.  Its really going to make a difference in that a hospital that would perform this operation is less than five miles away.  It really looks a lot like law suit mining,

The fallacy in your logic is that Seton doesn't permit MDs to perform abortions on anyone for any reason.  They do permit BAs to be performed on a regular basis on genetic females.  I'm assuming that the plaintiff has gone to court and been granted a legal change of name and gender.  In the eyes of the law that makes her equal to all women. Denial of the procedure is the equivalent of saying "Yes, we do BAs but not on black women".

Seton was chosen because the plaintiff's surgeon has surgical privileges there and not at other local hospitals.

BTW, IMHO Chicago is nothing like New York City!

Chicago and New York are more like each other then they are like Omaha, or Denver, or New Orleans (pre-Katrina), they at least share some pretty common aspects: weather, built up not out, hysterical civic politics.  Granted there is nothing like Mid-Town Manhattan anywhere - and outside of the more bombed over sections of Baghdad, nothing like some parts of the Bronx either.  In the same way that Seattle and SF have a lot in common, more so then either have with LA, more than anyplace has with Salt Lake City.

And the Brit roadies are a pretty hardy breed.  They can take a joke pretty well.  And what's being in SF worth (other than a trip to the pot club) without a gay joke, or fifty.  If it was not for off-color sexual remarks about each other we would have to talk about music, and we don't want to do that.

Bet me its no sort of landmark case, they will settle out of court, with no admission of guilt for an 'undisclosed sum.'

I think of San Francisco as a Disneyland version of Manhattan.  The ride isn't as long or dangerous as the real thing but it's a thrill none the less!  Chi and NY do have similar urban morphologies but culturally one is the Eastern Establishment and Chicago is capital of the Midwest.  LA is my hometown!  There's no place like it anywhere.

I won't take your bet.  A quiet settlement would be in everyone's best interest.

We like to think of it as "49 square miles surrounded by reality."  Thanks to Paul Kantner for that quote.

Quote from: tekla on January 22, 2008, 10:50:55 PM
We like to think of it as "49 square miles surrounded by reality."  Thanks to Paul Kantner for that quote.

That's what they call Boulder too.
Same quote except 50 instead of 49.
Lol:laugh:
Sara

i thought that was 50 square miles surrnounded by humans?
R >:D

Hey!
Mara got the title of the article changed!
Wow. Go Mara!
She wrote the editor and asked for them to change it saying that it was offensive.

Wow!
Way ta go girl!

You are gonna get an applaud for that one, just as soon as you post!

Sara

Quote from: Sarah on January 31, 2008, 12:33:03 AM
Hey!
Mara got the title of the article changed!
Wow. Go Mara!
She wrote the editor and asked for them to change it saying that it was offensive.

Wow!
Way ta go girl!

You are gonna get an applaud for that one, just as soon as you post!

Sara

Way to go Mara.  I took your advice Sara and registered to put my 2cents worth opinion on the article.  I found the responses so offensive.

YAY WE DESTROYED THAT.

GO US.

how can people have such hate in their hearts??? I read a article by a trans woman today that denounced her own ->-bleeped-<-, she was transphobic...  I just want to take these people down somehow...

It makes me want to start a non profit organization dedicated to finding every piece of news on the news blogs sites on the internet and post on them accurate and pro trans info, while destroying hate mongers that seem to seed these articles.

Its like hate grows, one person calls us sickos and suddenly the group mentallity kicks in and human hatered comes forth from everyone.

Unless someone pure hearted is there to attack back..

I have always wanted to be a lobbyist, finally i see a good justification behind being a lobbyist. LOL

let her put herself down... her life... her words... if she slags you off, fine, have a go....


we had someone in chat the other day saying how inhumane transition was, and society should accept transwomen as females in male bodies, and you shouldnt transition to fit in....
we loled them out...
R >:D