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Damn. This is just so sad.

http://www.wnbc.com/entertainment/15113586/detail.html

looks like suicide

Never heard of this person until just now.

He was a really talented actor.  It's a pity he died just before his acting career took off to new heights.  We will miss him.

I wonder if this will change the new Batman movie, where he was supposed to play the Joker?

He was one of the two stars in Brokeback Mountain.  (Not really, the real star of BBM was, Michelle Williams who's slow disintegration is one of the most remarkable performances I've ever seen on film.)

sucide? NYPD found drugs..... but hey, wait for the MDs report methinks


i shall take this oportuinity to say what a tallented actor he was, and an insipration to many....
oh yeah, and it wasnt me....
R >:D

He's not a top star. but he was big enough.
Brokeback mountain is his most well known role.
In that movie, he was the more closeted one of the two,
while the other had a double life.

?

That's very sad indeed!  According to recent police reports, it appears to have been a drug overdose which killed him...

tink :icon_chick:

Quote from: VeryGnawty on January 22, 2008, 08:40:21 PM
He was a really talented actor.  It's a pity he died just before his acting career took off to new heights.  We will miss him.

I wonder if this will change the new Batman movie, where he was supposed to play the Joker?

Hope not. The clips I have seen are amazing. He is SO intense as the Joker - I would not have been surprised at another Oscar nomination - were the academy actually in the habit of handing those out to big summer action films.

Posted on: 22 January 2008, 23:50:48

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Quote from: Keira on January 22, 2008, 09:03:58 PM

He's not a top star. but he was big enough.
Brokeback mountain is his most well known role...

I've been a fan of his ever since he did Roar - a fantasy TV series in the mid 90's set in the period just after the Roman empire had retreated from Brittania. He played the prince of a Celtic tribe, and even back then, he was already a very good actor.

But yeah, the role he will be remembered for is BBM - unless the new batman movie does for him what The Crow did for Brandon Lee.

In a very weird way & I get to vote on that stuff, does an award make.  And it would not have been him at any rate.  And wining awards does not - in Hollywierd, a life make.

Quote from: tekla on January 22, 2008, 11:57:05 PM
In a very weird way & I get to vote on that stuff, does an award make.  And it would not have been him at any rate.  And wining awards does not - in Hollywierd, a life make.

Yeah, I suppose not, but I found his performance, in the clips I've seen anyway, as intense as Charlize Theron in Monster. Then again, I might be badly biased - I'm an absolute Batman fangirl since reading The Killing Joke and A Death in the Family, and the portrayal of the Joker in those graphic novels are how I imagine him.

Nothing (NOTHING) in Hollywood is as hard as what they asked Charlize Theron to do in MONSTER, which is to ask a very drop dead pretty women to be really, really ugly.  It's how Liz Taylor won the award for Who's Afraid of Virgina Woolfe. 

Quote from: tekla on January 23, 2008, 12:47:25 AM
Nothing (NOTHING) in Hollywood is as hard as what they asked Charlize Theron to do in MONSTER, which is to ask a very drop dead pretty women to be really, really ugly.  It's how Liz Taylor won the award for Who's Afraid of Virgina Woolfe. 

Her performance in Monster was absolutely amazing - I think it brilliant how she managed to evoke such sympathy for a very scary person.

Charlize. Woohoo!!!

Won't even hold it a against her that she's from Benoni. (A REALLY unsavoury part of South Africa - think mullets and too much beer)

As to Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker - I suppose I'm biased, but I'll hold off on a final call till I've seen the movie.



Posted on: 23 January 2008, 00:53:12

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Please note that South Africans have a thing against mullets - mainly the other South Africans who wear them... no offense meant to any mullet-sporting folk out there.

Rent Who's Afraid of Virgina Woolfe, and think that Liz Taylor - almost the seminal ideal of beauty in her age- could be so ugly, so horrid, so miserable.  How the icon of love could make you think that being single for the rest of you life might not be such a bad idea, and that, that, is Academy Award country.

Quote from: tekla on January 23, 2008, 01:01:28 AM
Rent Who's Afraid of Virgina Woolfe, and think that Liz Taylor - almost the seminal ideal of beauty in her age- could be so ugly, so horrid, so miserable.  How the icon of love could make you think that being single for the rest of you life might not be such a bad idea, and that, that, is Academy Award country.

I'll do that. What year did she win in?

1966

Thanks Tekla.

Quote from: lady amarant on January 22, 2008, 11:53:58 PM
Hope not.

I've heard that the movie is already in post-production, meaning that there is an extremely likely chance that he will still be the Joker in the next Batman movie.

jokes on him then.
R >:D

Charlize Theron is a decent actress and she gave a good performance in Monster.

I think that getting ugly gets you nominated, but its playing disabled or diseased
(AIDS, Rain Man, My left foot, Cancer, etc) which usually gets you the win.

Quote from: Rachael on January 23, 2008, 02:15:57 AM
jokes on him then.
R >:D

Sicko.  :P

wellcome to my dark little world ^_^
R :police:

bitter that in a movie about two gay guys the women still took the show, and the award.

Quote from: tekla on January 23, 2008, 03:07:04 AM
bitter that in a movie about two gay guys the women still took the show, and the award.

Yeah well. Female is the stronger sex, after all. smarter. prettier. not quite so prone to shooting people or blowing stuff up...

not quite so pro.....?
yes we do.... every 28 days... ;)
R >:D

Also, don't be the male homo cheating on his wife in a movie written by a woman, yeesh.

Quote from: Rachael on January 23, 2008, 03:22:49 AM
not quite so pro.....?
yes we do.... every 28 days... ;)
R >:D

Point taken... if you're on HRT, maybe even more often.  :D

The film was based on a story written by a women, everyone (except the Academy) focused on the boys gettin it on in the hills, its really about what happens to women they left behind.  Yeesh.

Very sad news. He was quite wonderful in BBM

y2g

Quote from: tekla on January 23, 2008, 01:17:04 AM
1966

Dame Elizabeth also won in 1960 for BUtterfield8 and should actually have won for other roles had Hollywood not considered her a "scarlet woman."

I'm not as familiar as some with Ledger's career having not seen BBM or many of his other roles.  I did think he did an adequate job as one of Mel Gibson's sons in The Patriot.

Beverly

He wasn't bad in Knights Tale either, a movie not without its charms.  10 Things I Hate About You is not all horrible either.

Still, I'm going to remained more concerned about the American Troops, and Iraq civilians that died last week, more than Heath.

And Liz also should have got it for Cat on a Hot Tin Roof.  She was born to play the kind of women that Tennessee Williams created.  And I thought her and RB were pretty special in Taming of the Shrew.  Still, she did to Cleopatra. 

Quote from: tekla on January 24, 2008, 11:27:21 AM
And Liz also should have got it for Cat on a Hot Tin Roof.  She was born to play the kind of women that Tennessee Williams created.

Of that, there is no doubt.  She was to a smoldering barely hidden sexuality what Audry Hepburn was to charm and grace.  We all age and it does beat the alternative but it is so sad to see Liz in a wheelchair nowadays and remember the beauty that was.

Beverly

Quote from: tekla on January 24, 2008, 11:27:21 AM
Still, I'm going to remained more concerned about the American Troops, and Iraq civilians that died last week, more than Heath.

Absolutely, every death is sad, especially unnecessary ones. There is so much misery in the world.

sad to see Liz in a wheelchair nowadays and remember the beauty that was.

The alternative to growing old is not all that hot either.

Quote from: lady amarant on January 24, 2008, 11:43:11 AM

Quote from: tekla on January 24, 2008, 11:27:21 AM
Still, I'm going to remained more concerned about the American Troops, and Iraq civilians that died last week, more than Heath.

Absolutely, every death is sad, especially unnecessary ones. There is so much misery in the world.

Over 5 million people have been killed in the Congo in the last 10 year and still at a rate of 45000 a month as the news does a tap dance around an actor.

And what, one who made like 1 1/2 good movies?  Yeesh.

Yeah, Central Africa is in such a sad state it's scary. Tinpot dictators kept in power by big business... and more tinpot dictators knocking on the door - or more often trying to take it down with an AK47...

Tinpot dictators kept in power by big business

I don't have to go Africa for that, no further than D.C.

Quote from: lisagurl on January 24, 2008, 01:46:36 PM
Over 5 million people have been killed in the Congo in the last 10 year and still at a rate of 45000 a month as the news does a tap dance around an actor.

It's really a sad commentary on all of us...society as a whole.  We would rather know about the sordid details of an actors death or the latest instance of some half-crazed blond so called singer running over someone's foot than we would genocide in the Congo or Somalia and the stealing of an election in Kenya (which, according to a Kenyan minister I know the US is NOT totally blameless).  The problem is, the news only reflects what we (as a whole) want to see.  But when you think about it, it goes all the way to the top.  Republicans argue over who can be the worst bigot and promote "preservation of family values" which means discrimination against a minority, not banning divorce and preserving families.  Meanwhile Democrats argue about who meant what when they voted on something in the Senate in past years.  Not a single one of them on either side says a word on what to do about selling our economic assets to China and Dubai and anyone else who has a couple of extra billion to spend.  Nor do they say a word about how they are going to change the worlds attitude so that the US is not hated by the rest of the world like no one since Nazi Germany.  And we have let our educational system dumb us down until we are so gullible we buy into the whole mess.

Back to you Katie for the latest on who's in revolving door rehab.

Sheesh, if I had the money, I would buy an island and start my own country.

Beverly

Quote from: tekla on January 24, 2008, 02:17:13 PM
I don't have to go Africa for that, no further than D.C.

Yeah, but we beat you guys hands-down in quality. Where but in Africa can a rapist and embezzler become chief of the most powerful political party in the country, and be poised to become the next president?

South Africa: Either laugh at it, or cry over it ... that's our motto.

You got to be kidding, we have the "Education President" who speaks English as a second language.

Joke doing the rounds in South Africa:

There's a huge traffic-jam on the Ben Schoeman Highway. Guy's sitting in his car when a dude comes up to his window:

"Jacob Zuma (ANC President - soon to be South African President) has been kidnapped, and the kidnappers are demanding 310 million or their going to douse him in gassoline and set him on fire.  We're doing a collection to help out."

"So how much is everybody contributing then?" The guy asks

About a litre (half a gallon, I think...)

That's funny!

Quote from: tekla on January 22, 2008, 05:06:41 PM
looks like suicide

Wow, I said this on another forum and got slammed into the keyboard. It doesn't look like it, but more just an accidental overdose. He was under a lot of stress and suffering from insomina and other conditions. The overt signs of suicide weren't there, no note, full and capped prescription bottles, etc., but just a larger dose of OTC drugs.

There are some good interviews with him on Charlie Rose's show (on-line videos). He's a talent that will be missed, and leaves an all too young daughter who will have to learn something we all dread, losing and missing a parent. She doesn't deserve that fate over an accident.

--Susan--

Quote from: tekla on January 24, 2008, 02:47:55 PM
That's funny!

We try...  ;D

About the most profound remark I've ever heard in my life was a friend of mine, telling someone who was considering such an end "So, how is that page going to look in your kid's book of life."  Given that, it does not change the reality that lots of other stuff is far more important.

(opps, a sentence needs a verb, pesky deal that)

Quote from: SusanK on January 24, 2008, 03:04:43 PM

Quote from: tekla on January 22, 2008, 05:06:41 PM
looks like suicide

Wow, I said this on another forum and got slammed into the keyboard. It doesn't look like it, but more just an accidental overdose. He was under a lot of stress and suffering from insomina and other conditions. The overt signs of suicide weren't there, no note, full and capped prescription bottles, etc., but just a larger dose of OTC drugs.

There are some good interviews with him on Charlie Rose's show (on-line videos). He's a talent that will be missed, and leaves an all too young daughter who will have to learn something we all dread, losing and missing a parent. She doesn't deserve that fate over an accident.

--Susan--

Can we not play MD?
none of us have the body
none of us are performing the autopsy... and none of us are super sluth detectives, nomatter how many quincy episodes you've watched.
Wait for the police report.
R >:D

I do no need any report to know that he was an overindulged, over reported guy who did almost a few good movies, and who died with more pill bottles beside him than Jim Morrison died with liquor bottles around him.  None of that takes away from the fact that everyone in his life deserved better.  Or that last week, a lot more people died a lot more worthwhile deaths either.

a man is found dead with a knife in his back....

was he stabbed to death?
if detective work was that easy, we would all be bloody columbo.
R >:D

I thought I read that all the pills were prescription.  Think it said something like insomnia.  It's just sad that he left behind a daughter who will never get to have her father there for her while she is growing up.

The word in Hollywood is Doctor Feelgood, in the Beatles catalog is Doctor Robert.  If you have money, the scripts are easy to come by.

I heard an interview with Heath before he died saying" Playing the joker was the most fun I ever had." Then he said, "The most fun I will ever have!"
I dont think his death was supicious he was just ready to leave because he broke up with his girlfriend in September and the drugs didnt make his body feel better. Nothing worked. He died peacefully but in death he will be remembered as a great Hero! I know it. I loved his work as an actor! I hope Dark night is a success! I will see it. He was a nice friendly guy. Really cute! I thought! Like Australias answer to Brad Pitt! Especially in 10 things I hate about you. I remeber how cute he was. I loved him. I miss him. I really do! Im an Australian and I needed him. Now he is gone. :'(

why does everyone assume suicide? let the people who KNOW decide...
R :police:

Ya know dear, if you die in a wallow of pills, what was the other conclusion. Self medication is just suicide by other means.

no it really isnt....
and who says he was self medicating?
or that the pills killed him?
wait for the MD and COD.... all uptill that point is speculation, and idiotic.
R >:D

hey tekla, you can be way harsh, you know? 

I'm an Aussie and I've seen everything that Heath's been in and I will mourn him, miss him and move on, just like other fans of his.  He was a wonderful actor with a great voice, which would have been even greater as he aged, but alas that is not to be.   :(

Heath had alot of talent but he was so nervous and publicity shy which unfortunately was his undoing.  The paparazzi hounded him terribly which is such a shame.  I know people are sometimes jealous of others fame and fortune, but some find it hard to cope when you can not live your life as you truly want.
All his secrets and desires will die with him, I think it was accidental, I hope it was, but I think his career choice was literally the death of him!

Now, I would like to add, that my parents died when I was 8 yrs old, ok?  So I know about death and about grieving.  Yes, people die everyday and to say some are more worthwhile in the first place is an irresponsible thing to say.

I am not ashamed to say that Heath made me feel good, that he was a gentle and kind soul, that he was a true blue Aussie, his life was as worthwhile as yours and mine. 

R.I.P  Heath Ledger