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This question sorta got me wondering off Kate's old poll here.

I was wondering if that you could take the normal pill right now; would you?.  In doing so, you would purge your TS mind for one that is of your biological sex that you were born.  You would never feel anything TS related again, and your mind would match your biological sex.  Let me know if I messed up stating anything too nonspecific.

I'm adding categories to the answer and I'll specify right now:

What I specifically mean:
Pre transition - no therapy, hormones, surgeries or anything
Currently Transitioning - in therapy, taking hormones, doing anything toward transition pretty much. Not Fulltime
Post transition - meaning that you are full time.  Doesn't matter about SRS or FFS or any other surgeries.

I just say post transition because I don't know a better word choice so sorry if it's technically wrong only thing I could think of  ???

Let me know if I left anything out please.  Thanks.

Normal sounds boring, which makes people want to take pills in the first place.  Thanks, I'll stay weird, you meet a better class of people that way.

I pick "No - I am currently transitioning". What bothers about the pill it changes the mind who I am. Where transition is mostly about the body. I know hrt does changes make with the mind but I don't think it would be as drastic as the normal pill. Maybe hrt is a type of normal pill?


Anna

Who knows!

I just made this outta randomness to be honest hehe.  I was curious to see what the results would be.  Especially between the like different stages everyone is in. . . even though I could have probably specified them a little better.  But meh, what can ya do :P

I... did take the normal pill, it seems. It started around the time I switched from propecia to avodart.

It is... very, very weird. I've had this beast on my back for so long and it's mostly gone now. I genuinely can't understand what's going on. I still crossdress every day. I had to cut all my nails off because of some crap I got from the mall, but I'm growing them back out again. I still... greatly fear my face becoming more masculinized, and i hope that the whole 1 in a billion swelling breast side effect of avodart strikes me. I paid for near full body laser hair removal (got a really good deal on it), which might be something aiding the coping with dysphoria.

I just... am me right now. I still prefer to be ma'amed. I fear a few years to several years down the road where I'll be at as my body ages. I'm just so very confused. The other day for a few minutes I thought about being a father. I've never wanted kids, ever, let alone wanted to be a dad.

Also somewhere in there I told my mom and while she was relatively supportive she filled me with even more doubt.

I'm dealing with "are you gay?" "is he gay?" "you're bi right" "it's okay to do what makes you happy do you like men" from all sides this past month. I'm not entirely sure what to make of it, except that it's all been pretty positive and supportive. Well, aside from a friend of mine announcing to a class of mine something about me liking boys when in my absence someone said there's something different about me. (i told her that i'm not against the idea if i were to find someone special, but I can't stand most guys as human beings. totally dropped the ball there, dear)

Normal just sounds so... flat, though. Boring. Lifeless. Not me.

I'd like normal thanks.  Had enough of being the different one, standing out etc. etc.

I crave normal.   :)

Normal might've been easier, but I look at the lives genetically and genitally congruent, heterosexual people live, and they're generally just as screwed up as mine, though for different reasons. So normal wouldn't be all that better, in that regard. The one element that adds to our problems significantly is intolerance, and that's not going to make me pick normal, no matter how difficult that intolerance has and will make my life.

Would I take the normal pill?

no.

Before OR after transitioning, NO... I wouldn't.

It'd be suicide, since you'd be changing your identity, the foundation of Who You Are. Once that's changed, it's not "your" identity. It's an entirely new person in the same shell.

Hmmm, interesting question! Because you've got me saying that gender isn't just an aspect of one's soul, like the clothing one wears, but rather that it IS one's soul. I AM female(ness), you can't seperate it from "me" without destroying the person in the process.

~Kate~

As it turns out, lots of straight people kill themselves too.  Its not an action exclusive to our community. 

Lady A is right.  Normal people have problems too. 

Quote from: Ashley Michelle on March 07, 2008, 12:34:40 PM
i dont much care for it anyways

Some of us happen to like your soul!  :'(

Normal pill? Nah. Since being female is an important part of myself it'd be like suicide.

Normal's way overrated anyway.

I voted wrong btw, I'm actually *post* transition without surgeries yet not "in transition".

No normal pill for me thanks. I'm OK just as I am.

Z

Quote from: Kate on March 07, 2008, 11:06:42 AM
Before OR after transitioning, NO... I wouldn't.

It'd be suicide, since you'd be changing your identity, the foundation of Who You Are. Once that's changed, it's not "your" identity. It's an entirely new person in the same shell.

Hmmm, interesting question! Because you've got me saying that gender isn't just an aspect of one's soul, like the clothing one wears, but rather that it IS one's soul. I AM female(ness), you can't seperate it from "me" without destroying the person in the process.

~Kate~

That's an interesting way of looking at it, Kate.  Technically, it would be changing your identity I believe.  Of course defining a soul and what it means is probably much more difficult and personalized, but I get where you're coming from.  It'd be like cleansing a person of who they really are in some extent I guess.

If I'd been asked this as a child - a definite yes. Spent my entire childhood being jealous of normal girls. I just wanted to be somebody, anybody who wasn't hated by everyone.

Now - a resounding NO. I love me.

Not a chance....normal is boring. I don't think I could handle that....

I'm not sure of the question. I put not sure. I am "normal" in every sense of the word. Now, if you said that, should I take the pill when I was born or when I felt different about my gender, well, I would have said that I wanted to be who I was when I was born. I didn't want to go through my life like I have. I would have felt very much " normal" all my life. I wouldn't have been thinking about who I should have been, instead, I would have focused more on my life. I wouldn't have that problem hanging over my head. It didn't happen and I'm who I should have been when I was born. Times are getting better, we have people identitfying before too much damage is done by either hormone.
Sheila

QuoteI was wondering if that you could take the normal pill right now; would you?.  In doing so, you would purge your TS mind for one that is of your biological sex that you were born.  You would never feel anything TS related again, and your mind would match your biological sex.  Let me know if I messed up stating anything too nonspecific.

Did I mess up how I phrased it?

Quote from: shanetastic on March 07, 2008, 01:56:49 PM
That's an interesting way of looking at it, Kate.  Technically, it would be changing your identity I believe.  Of course defining a soul and what it means is probably much more difficult and personalized, but I get where you're coming from.  It'd be like cleansing a person of who they really are in some extent I guess.

Right, and I suppose if someone considers their GID to be an added-on delusion, obsession, compulsion or sickness... it'd make perfect sense to take a pill to "cure" it, as they're just fixing a nasty "habit" of sorts. OCD people who wash their hands until they bleed, for example, would probably want to take a pill to make them stop obsessing.

But to change your identity? Might as well throw out the existing brain, and swap a new one in, ya know? It didn't really cure anything, it REPLACED it.

If you had a terrible fight with someone you love, would you take a pill to forget you ever knew them to "cure" that anger? Would you choose to forget your childhood entirely, just to never again deal with the "bad" memories?

~Kate~

Quote from: Kate on March 07, 2008, 03:46:52 PM

If you had a terrible fight with someone you love, would you take a pill to forget you ever knew them to "cure" that anger? Would you choose to forget your childhood entirely, just to never again deal with the "bad" memories?

~Kate~

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? :)

Well... if I had had the option before I got to the point Im at now...  yeah Id have taken it... my life was going pretty decently and I wasnt a bad looking guy LoL...  So long as I could have kept my sensitive side it would have been a hands down, give me the pill... I dont need your stinking water, pull out my flask and down it with what would probably be my last shot of bourbon bassed on misery...

Now... well, its kinda late for all that LoL... there is no turning back, and Im perfectly happy with that...  Id smack my old self for being such a coward taking that vial little thing...  Who needs normal when you can be HOT instead  >:

I said NO!!! Im post transition <according to the rules of the poll>

Quote from: soldierjane on March 07, 2008, 03:55:16 PM

Quote from: Kate on March 07, 2008, 03:46:52 PM

If you had a terrible fight with someone you love, would you take a pill to forget you ever knew them to "cure" that anger? Would you choose to forget your childhood entirely, just to never again deal with the "bad" memories?

~Kate~

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? :)

Aka it isn't worth it :D  But omgosh love that movie for some reason.  Don't ask me why I just DO!

I totally understand what you mean Ashley.

I sorta made this poll to see what the differences would be between those who are now full time and working towards SRS etc etc and those that are sorta just starting to see what pill they would take.  I know that's probably a dumb question, but I was sorta curious because it seems like more people would take that "pill" who are just sorta starting out such as myself.  Sure if it existed, I dunno if I would take it or not, but I just wanted to see others responses from the hypothetical situation.

And I think what Kate was saying is that your personality would change if you were so to take the pill. . . I think!  Because this unfortunate event has formed you in some way and has made you a person in one way or another.  Hypothetically speaking, if that were to be taken away, you would be a different person with different attitudes and beliefs.

Again *I Think*

Hopefully this questions doesn't turn into those dumb what if and what makes a "true" transsexual.  Because if it does that's just sorta dumb.  Either way, thanks for your input Ashley.

Quote from: Ashley Michelle on March 07, 2008, 06:31:19 PM
i can easily see this thread degenerating into a "if you take the pill you're not a TRUE transsexual, because if you were you would never take the pill, you'd transition anyway!"  which i think is a gross misrepresentation of what GID really is.

GID, to me, is that I AM female. And my body isn't. I'm not sick, it's not a mental "condition" to cure. It's a TRUTH.

"It seems strange that my life should end in such a terrible place, but for three years I had roses and apologized to no one. I shall die here. Every inch of me shall perish. Every inch, but one. An inch. It is small and it is fragile and it is the only thing in the world worth having. We must never lose it or give it away. We must NEVER let them take it from us." - Valerie from V for Vendetta

I will never, ever give up who I am for ANYTHING. I don't care what "they" do to me, how badly it hurts, or how difficult it is to bear that Truth. I would sooner die than give that up.

~Kate~

I chose "no".

I have a very small sense of ego and self, and to have anything jeopardize that by changing it, is to die inside.
I need the me I have to grow and evolve.

NO...I actually like being me

Absolutely not.  Being female is part of who I am.  If you take that away, what other aspects of my personality would also vanish?

I like myself nowadays - something that I really could not say before I started transitioning.

Thank you, no.  Could you pass the wine and dark chocolates instead?  :D

Chaunte

A rotund "NO" to your question, Shanetastic!

tink :icon_chick:

P.S.  I'm normal!  ;)

If i took the pill I wouldn't change. I am a perfectly normal androgyne.

My answer was of course 'no'~  I wouldn't give up my womanhood for anything.  I am very happy as a girl and know I would never be okay any other way..

no.  I wanna have bottom surgery but that dont mean I aint normal.

No.  I'm awesome the way I am.

I have to say. . .

So far the figures are interesting.  I would have guessed that a lot of people who are still in the beginning stages would have voted yes.

I have to say, I voted unsure at first. . . but I think I would vote no right now.  I know I'm weird I don't even know how to answer a poll I even made, but meh.  If I was back when I was just starting all this out I would have with a heartbeat taken the yes choice to the pill, so I guess it's weird how things change.

Thanks for all your replies so far and answers :)

No, I wouldn't.  The thought of taking a pill to achieve someone else's idea of normal is truly sick.  It took me quite a while to realize that I AM normal and to give that up now would be a major step back.

Quote from: LynnER on March 07, 2008, 04:35:28 PM
Who needs normal when you can be HOT instead?

Absolutely!

There are pills, well one, that relieves the symptoms of OCD. "Anti-anxiety" drug. Kinda like jocks wearing the same socks or something for the entire 82-game schedule! Ewwwww. A washing-machine would work better I should think.

No, no pills for me, Shane. This is me and I'm perfectly normal as is.

Nichole
 

Alright.  The scientist in me has to chime in for a second!  ;D

Statistically, the percentage of those who have said "No" in this poll is about the same as those who said "No" in the Should TSism be prevented? poll.

I think this speaks volumes about how comfortable we are as a community in regards to being transexual.

Chaunte

Quote from: Chaunte on March 09, 2008, 06:40:11 AM
I think this speaks volumes about how comfortable we are as a community in regards to being transexual.

Well I must admit: I'm not comfortable at all being a transsexual. If I was, I wouldn't be spending a fortune to try and eradicate all evidence of it.

I know it'll never be perfect, and and in order to ever be content I'm going to need some sort of rationalization to bandaid over the fact that I'll never grow up as a normal girl now. But the GID doesn't seem to care about philosophy or self-acceptance; it just relentlessly drives me to Be A Normal Female, as impossible as that is.

~Kate~

I voted "unsure".

I think there is a desire to see people as "static"...they are A or B.  I think some people change has they get older, "evolving" if you will.  Who is to say that the evolution is not the "normal state".  More importantly, what if the growth is shut off....is that healthy or not?

Unfortunately, I think what happens in some relationships is that one person stays "frozen", with all their dreams and expectations of the future and the other "evolves" with future possibilities and understandings being un-done.  Some might see this also as "growning apart".

I dunno...it's not clear in my own mind.

This is a very good question, and I'm sorry for bumping it up, it's just something I wanted to respond to.

As for me? (being pre transition) I would not take the pill. I have a strange sense of pride for being the girl I am on the inside. I would never want to even think of having the mind of an guy. Ew. lol yeah. It's strange coming from myself, but I actually do like who I am on the inside - especially being a girl. I wouldn't change it for anything.

It would just change a big part of who I am... Too big of one.

I said: NO, i would not take the pill if i were given the choice. I'm actually more unsure, but decided that i already pass at work and on the street without trying, which makes me feel good in any case.
i don't shave yet, my voice didn't go down that far, and i took after my mom- so I'd rather skip taking the 'normal pill' because THEN I'd even feel worse than i do now. plus i don't think that any kind of pill that would make me feel bad is a good pill to take.
that's just me.

I went with unsure....even though a life of GID caused many heartaches, I would not want to change who I am and morphed into because of it.....dont know if I'm making any sense here... :-\

gina

Quote from: Eloise on May 18, 2008, 06:04:03 PM
I said: NO, i would not take the pill if i were given the choice. I'm actually more unsure, but decided that i already pass at work and on the street without trying, which makes me feel good in any case.
i don't shave yet, my voice didn't go down that far, and i took after my mom- so I'd rather skip taking the 'normal pill' because THEN I'd even feel worse than i do now. plus i don't think that any kind of pill that would make me feel bad is a good pill to take.
that's just me.

Thats really lucky... I hate shaving. SO MUCH!!!!!! I've ripped my facial hair out with wax before, and that hurts A LOT. You get to see all the wonderful black pods at the end of the hairs if you did it right. I wish they'd just STOP. Its the thing which makes my face break out and it makes me look 5 years older. Tim Buckley thought I was old enough to Booze it when I volunteered at his convention once... Goatee... Yea. Xens never ever doing that look again. I think my evil clone took over for a couple months. It was fun to stroke, but if I could have had it permanently gone, I would have chosen that.

And my voice is weird. My tone is dependent on how much pressure I put on my throat when I talk. When I'm more tired and less wired, it tends to lower somewhat. But people have said that I laugh like a 12 year old girl... So, its WEIRD...


The more I think about all of this, the more I really feel how real it is to me, and that it was almost meant to happen... Like life relinquishing its last bits of knowledge to reap society and live influentially and leave a mark- My last lesson before I'm ready, if you will. Everything is so bad, its like it was conveniently placed there to teach me some moral lesson... Like an episode of a cartoon, where they say, "Well... I've learned something today," at the end of the show. Only... Reality. Its almost like living in the Truman Show. This can be viewed as a paranoid delusion, but honestly, sometimes the occurrences are NOT RANDOM in the least.

Man... I ranted. But once again, NO. I would not take the normal pill. I actually think that every terrible thing that has happened to me killed another flawed area of my persona, and that it rises from the ashes (if it DOES. Lol) exponentially more powerful. Its like... I can laugh in peoples face if they tried sleep deprivation torture, cause I live that way NORMALLY. I'd probably gain a telekinetic power by day 3 (mental insanity, legally) and crush their skulls with radiation or something...

But yea.....

I like simple choice.  Yeap, I would take them so I woudl feel like right now. I am activly ridding and busy at work, this transition is just making things harder again.

I just feel 'Normal' now but I happen to be on HRT which means my breast are growing ETC. If the normal pill meant feeling like I am now without and body changes I would not hesitate to switch.


Alice

I want to change my vote. I voted as "currently in transition" before reading the details of the setup. I must have gotten it confused with pre-op. Actually I'm post-transition because I went fulltime last year.

I'm post-transition and I voted "No." Because if I weren't a trans woman, I wouldn't be me, I'd be someone else. It's that central to who I am. You can't subtract that without destroying the person I am altogether. And I have no way to conceive of my life apart from who I really am. If it were a different person living my life, it wouldn't be my life.

Define Normal
What is it to be normal? Is anyone truly normal to begin with? Does it matter?
I wouldn't take the pill, unless the pill made me a complete female no questions asked. I am for the most part happy with my life, hell if I wasn't born a male I wouldn't have the friends I have. I wouldn't even have my Boyfriend. He was my first REAL friend, and thus he will one day be my husband, Life is funny isn't it?

Quote from: Carolyn on July 21, 2008, 10:52:03 AM
Define Normal
What is it to be normal? Is anyone truly normal to begin with? Does it matter?
I wouldn't take the pill, unless the pill made me a complete female no questions asked. I am for the most part happy with my life, hell if I wasn't born a male I wouldn't have the friends I have. I wouldn't even have my Boyfriend. He was my first REAL friend, and thus he will one day be my husband, Life is funny isn't it?

Sounds wonderful..

Unsure.

See, if it would completely wipe me clean of my male identity, make me enjoy being a woman, destroy my desire of having a penis and enjoying male intimacy... then I think I would take it. But that's really only if the pill would also make me forget the attachment I had to being male. Otherwise, I'd go for transition anyway. Because I'd rather be "half male" and happy than full female and only half alive.

No, I wouldn't take it.

I like Kate's answer the best - it's a form of suicide.  It'd be the obverse of downloading a copy of your mind into a cloned body of the right sex - then killing the original.

Wouldn't be the first suicide attempt for a lot of us...

No, I wouldn't take it.

I voted NO.

I would rather had been born Female

I would never want to be a man ,never!

it was a mistake , so Id rather suffer as trans than be something that horrible (no offense)

What is "normal" exactly, anyway?  If it meant that I would no longer really be the me that I am, then NOOO!   I really like me now and I would not have the life I currently enjoy.  It is also currently improving all the time.

Besides, the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know.

If you want the "normal pill" it already exists in the form of a transorbital lobotomy (cf. Shutter Island).
So no I would prefer to keep my identity intact and carry on with my dysphoria.

Of course I'd take it. I wish this existed so I wouldn't have to spend years on medical treatments to eliminate the dysphoria.

No.
I don't want to change my gender, I want my sex matching my gender. :)
I don't need to be normal, but I wish to be cisgender; a cis guy.

Think I had this choice already, When I got offered T to fix my hormones, I went with E instead because I felt that it would be closest to who I was, I didn't want to be come someone else, or have thoughts I didn't recognise.

I tried to be normal once, it was the worst 5 minutes of my life!
And I don't mean gender-normal, I just mean normal-normal. Ugh. Should be spelled b.o.r.i.n.g

If it meant I was never transgendered I would snatch that normal pill and scoff it down so fast!
I really and truly don't understand how anyone would prefer to stay as transgendered, it's a huge curse, I hate it.

I would like to be a normal cis gender male, which I believe I was before I reincarnated as female for whatever reason. If I had been born a cis gender male I may not have the understanding of a transgender person.

Quote from: alienbodybuilder on July 04, 2016, 05:31:26 PM
I would like to be a normal cis gender male, which I believe I was before I reincarnated as female for whatever reason. If I had been born a cis gender male I may not have the understanding of a transgender person.

So I'll try to be as normal as I can as a trans male. Eventually I want to be stealthy about having transitioned years later if I move somewhere else.

Normal doesn't exist and is just a fairy tale. Do I wish that I wasn't a Transgender Woman? Not really, I mean I wish it was easier for me to be honest with other people about it and to transition and to start the path to becoming the real me but it is what it is.

A normal pill would have to go back and rewrite an entire childhood of not being able to connect with others of my assigned gender as comrades, and in the process of rewriting...  I would cease to exist.    The body would work, but it'd be run by some other guy who knew how to be a guy.

And then of course, he'd wake up in this house.. open his mouth and say something masculine, and my SO would shoot him, and then he'd be dead too!   lol.

On second thoughts... imagining myself normal is like imagining myself dead.

Everything I am now, is a result of the conflict and problems faced... and I like who I am at this point. That wasn't always the case and I went through hell to get there but I'm happy with who I became despite the struggle.

One thing that came out of it is a desire to do better and to try harder. It's pretty much insatiable. I know if I was completely comfortable that drive would be gone, and so too would be the results of it. What kind of a person would I be? I haven't a clue, but it would not be me.

So no, I wouldn't take the normal pill

Post- transition, male 24/7, planning top surgery.

No way would I take the normal pill.

Despite the trouble I've had throughout my life, being a transman is what made me the man I am today, even back when I didn't know there were more like me, or even what I was called.

Normal is boring!

Ryuichi

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,,No - I am currently transitioning"

If it were to change my brain and my personality and would adjust it to that awful body as described in the opening post – Hell no! Never ever!  I wouldn't want that. I wouldn't want to be a cis-woman; I'd much rather stay a trans-male then, thanks.

If it however were to change me into a cis-male instead, meaning leaving my brain how it is and changing the body - Definitely yes! Where can I get that pill because I want it right here right now? ;) It would spare me a lot of pain and surgeries as well!

Wait, what?...I'm not normal?  :laugh:

I didn't pick an option in the poll, cause none fits my situation, so I'll just write a reply instead. But to follow your structure of options, my answer would be "Yes - detransitioning".

And no, I don't think that's necessarily an obvious answer just because I'm detransing. I'm sure many detransitioned people would not undo having transitioned if they could. But I can't speak for them.

I thought about this during my transition, in which I lived fulltime from the moment I came out, then eventually went on hrt and had top surgery. It has been referred to as many things, the idea of such a pill, my favourite being "the cis pill" but it's essentially the same thing. Back then, I always answered "no" to if it would make me happy with my female bio sex, but "yes" if it would make me a cis male. I thought such a change would somehow turn me into a different person if it would make my mind female. Now I wonder about that, and I wonder just how female my brain really is.

I think maybe I took the "normal pill" in a sense. Well turns out I am a cis woman. And getting the realisation that I suddenly wanted to be and live as a woman again, and suddenly being fine with my female body traits, after a lifetime of having been dysphoric about them and wanting to live as a man... it's strange. And sad. Especially because I had already transitioned, so now I have to detransition to be truly fine with my body. I feel like a broken female now. I was complete once, but I didn't know it, so I threw it away. And I'm agonising over that now.

But if I could go back in time and never have transitioned in the first place, and always have been fine with being female and always thought of myself as a girl/woman, like I do now... I'd take that pill so fast. If I could have my natural body back, I'd be whole again, which I now may not ever become. I'll still try though.

As for the personality thing, I'm still the same person now as I was when I was dysphoric and thought of myself as a man. Only difference really, was the labels/terms I used for my gender and sexuality, the pronouns I attached to myself, the name I went by, which parts of my body I liked or disliked, and my style to some degree. But everything that's actually me, as a person... is the same darn mess. I recognise my brain just fine. The differences are minute, and insignificant to the full picture. So knowing that now, I would have spared myself the pain of an unnecessary transition if it was possible.

Sure I learned a lot of invaluable things from having gone through all that, and maybe I'm too newly out from the detransing closet to know if I'd truly want it all undone if that was possible, or treasure it as an important part of my past... but man, this is really painful. I don't know if I've even actually been through anything worse. It's a very long-lasting, drawn-out, constant pain that I can't possibly escape, it's a grief unlike anything I've ever felt before. Maybe I just said that I've been through worse before, to comfort myself. Well, at least I know how to survive through hardship: with tea and dark humour.

I replied "no, already transitioned" to the normal pill question. Don't need normal, I like my uniqueness, and the reality and outcome I've realized today, no need to worry about "what could have been" at this stage. I was probably female in a past life, too many imprints and too much deja vu.....

Interesting topic to read

Cynthia -

Me too, and I wouldn't change back for the world.  Yes its been a hard road to travel but who's life is easy?  I love who I am now.  Real.

Here's the deal. If I could have been normal before I started school, I might have been ok with it. I grew up abnormal because of being transgender, and there was no turning the clock (Or calendar) back. Growing up the way I was, there was no way I could blend in anywhere. The 1970s and 1980s created plenty of traumatic experiences. Becoming who I was supposed to be was the only solution.

No.  I am who I am!   :)


Chrissy