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Title: Transphobia and Radical Feminism - a challenge
Post by: Shana A on March 14, 2008, 06:16:11 PM
Post by: Shana A on March 14, 2008, 06:16:11 PM
Transphobia and Radical Feminism - a challenge
Posted by Maia under Gender wobbles
http://touchinglynaive.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/transphobia-and-radical-feminism-a-challenge/ (http://touchinglynaive.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/transphobia-and-radical-feminism-a-challenge/)
Less than two years ago my "opinion" of transfolk was one of extreme othering, of downright transphobia - I didn't hate transpeople but I knew nothing about them and deemed from my place of ignorance that they were weird, freakish, incomprehensible.
Then I met, or rather came across, a transwoman named Alison. I saw her as a man in a dress. A big man in a dress, a hairy one, wearing - ridiculously - make-up and nylons while camping in a muddy field with a bunch of hippies. She said very little - she was attending a workshop / discussion about what it means to be a woman, and she was there to listen, not to speak*. I didn't want a man in a dress in the Women's Dome. I didn't want her to be there, but I didn't want to be the one who said "No", either.
Posted by Maia under Gender wobbles
http://touchinglynaive.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/transphobia-and-radical-feminism-a-challenge/ (http://touchinglynaive.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/transphobia-and-radical-feminism-a-challenge/)
Less than two years ago my "opinion" of transfolk was one of extreme othering, of downright transphobia - I didn't hate transpeople but I knew nothing about them and deemed from my place of ignorance that they were weird, freakish, incomprehensible.
Then I met, or rather came across, a transwoman named Alison. I saw her as a man in a dress. A big man in a dress, a hairy one, wearing - ridiculously - make-up and nylons while camping in a muddy field with a bunch of hippies. She said very little - she was attending a workshop / discussion about what it means to be a woman, and she was there to listen, not to speak*. I didn't want a man in a dress in the Women's Dome. I didn't want her to be there, but I didn't want to be the one who said "No", either.
Title: Re: Transphobia and Radical Feminism - a challenge
Post by: lady amarant on March 14, 2008, 07:07:03 PM
Post by: lady amarant on March 14, 2008, 07:07:03 PM
Gods above. I ... wow ...
http://takingsteps.blogspot.com/2007/01/seam-of-skin-and-scales.html (http://takingsteps.blogspot.com/2007/01/seam-of-skin-and-scales.html)
http://takingsteps.blogspot.com/2007/01/seam-of-skin-and-scales.html (http://takingsteps.blogspot.com/2007/01/seam-of-skin-and-scales.html)
Title: Re: Transphobia and Radical Feminism - a challenge
Post by: NicholeW. on March 14, 2008, 09:41:00 PM
Post by: NicholeW. on March 14, 2008, 09:41:00 PM
Thanks, Z,
That was a really good read.
N~
That was a really good read.
N~
Title: Re: Transphobia and Radical Feminism - a challenge
Post by: RebeccaFog on March 15, 2008, 12:26:50 AM
Post by: RebeccaFog on March 15, 2008, 12:26:50 AM
Strong medicine
especially for someone who's been feeling weak and vulnerable lately.
especially for someone who's been feeling weak and vulnerable lately.
Title: Re: Transphobia and Radical Feminism - a challenge
Post by: Ell on March 15, 2008, 12:31:49 AM
Post by: Ell on March 15, 2008, 12:31:49 AM
Quote from: Rebis on March 15, 2008, 12:26:50 AM
Strong medicine
especially for someone who's been feeling weak and vulnerable lately.
what is the problem, Master?
Title: Re: Transphobia and Radical Feminism - a challenge
Post by: lady amarant on March 15, 2008, 03:05:46 AM
Post by: lady amarant on March 15, 2008, 03:05:46 AM
Quote from: Rebis on March 15, 2008, 12:26:50 AM
Strong medicine
especially for someone who's been feeling weak and vulnerable lately.
Yeah Rebis. We'll lend you an ear, or even a pair, if you need it.
Title: Re: Transphobia and Radical Feminism - a challenge
Post by: RebeccaFog on March 15, 2008, 04:06:29 PM
Post by: RebeccaFog on March 15, 2008, 04:06:29 PM
I feel like I just don't fit anywhere anymore. It will pass.
Ell, fetch me some Ice Cream. That's a good dear.
Title: Re: Transphobia and Radical Feminism - a challenge
Post by: Ell on March 15, 2008, 04:38:45 PM
Post by: Ell on March 15, 2008, 04:38:45 PM
Quote from: Rebis on March 15, 2008, 04:06:29 PM
I feel like I just don't fit anywhere anymore. It will pass.
Ell, fetch me some Ice Cream. That's a good dear.
As you wish, Master.
Would you like anything else?
Yours Truly
Title: Re: Transphobia and Radical Feminism - a challenge
Post by: RebeccaFog on March 15, 2008, 06:55:25 PM
Post by: RebeccaFog on March 15, 2008, 06:55:25 PM
I need you to organize a fundraiser for me so I can quit my job. It should be a monthly event.
Title: Re: Transphobia and Radical Feminism - a challenge
Post by: Ell on March 15, 2008, 07:08:03 PM
Post by: Ell on March 15, 2008, 07:08:03 PM
Quote from: Rebis on March 15, 2008, 06:55:25 PM
I need you to organize a fundraiser for me so I can quit my job. It should be a monthly event.
You got it. May i ask what you will do with all that extra time?
-ellie
Title: Re: Transphobia and Radical Feminism - a challenge
Post by: Shana A on March 15, 2008, 07:10:30 PM
Post by: Shana A on March 15, 2008, 07:10:30 PM
Quote from: ell on March 15, 2008, 07:08:03 PMQuote from: Rebis on March 15, 2008, 06:55:25 PM
I need you to organize a fundraiser for me so I can quit my job. It should be a monthly event.
You got it. May i ask what you will do with all that extra time?
-ellie
Reeb will be here 24/7 ;)
Z
Title: Re: Transphobia and Radical Feminism - a challenge
Post by: RebeccaFog on March 15, 2008, 07:16:38 PM
Post by: RebeccaFog on March 15, 2008, 07:16:38 PM
Zythyra is right.
For, having watched you all part time for so long now, I have determined that your species is worthy of greater study. I have also determined that my presence is necessary in order to keep control over the random elements that exist in all experiments, I mean, communities.
By the way, Ell, NO you may not ask.
Title: Re: Transphobia and Radical Feminism - a challenge
Post by: Ell on March 16, 2008, 12:20:06 PM
Post by: Ell on March 16, 2008, 12:20:06 PM
Quote from: Rebis on March 15, 2008, 07:16:38 PM
By the way, Ell, NO you may not ask.
Ok
Posted on: March 16, 2008, 11:13:05 AM
Quote from: lady amarant on March 14, 2008, 07:07:03 PM
Gods above. I ... wow ...
http://takingsteps.blogspot.com/2007/01/seam-of-skin-and-scales.html (http://takingsteps.blogspot.com/2007/01/seam-of-skin-and-scales.html)
hi Lady Amarant,
this "Seam of Skin and Scales" piece is terrific. would you please ensure that Rebis reads this? she's been having a little angst lately, and i've been wondering how i could help. i think this will do it.
-ellie
Title: Re: Transphobia and Radical Feminism - a challenge
Post by: Shana A on March 16, 2008, 02:29:57 PM
Post by: Shana A on March 16, 2008, 02:29:57 PM
Quote from: ell on March 16, 2008, 12:20:06 PMQuote from: Rebis on March 15, 2008, 07:16:38 PM
By the way, Ell, NO you may not ask.
Ok
Hmmmm, sie didn't say that someone else couldn't ask though >:D ;)
On a serious note, I found this among the most thoughtful posts I've seen regarding reasons for inclusion of transwomen into women only space. We're actually starting to get somewhere. It has always pained me to be excluded, although I could also understand the reasoning behind why someone would wish to exclude me.
Z
Title: Re: Transphobia and Radical Feminism - a challenge
Post by: RebeccaFog on March 16, 2008, 04:03:54 PM
Post by: RebeccaFog on March 16, 2008, 04:03:54 PM
Quote from: ell on March 16, 2008, 12:20:06 PMIt does help. You may do something nice for yourself.Quote from: Rebis on March 15, 2008, 07:16:38 PM
By the way, Ell, NO you may not ask.
Ok
Posted on: March 16, 2008, 11:13:05 AMQuote from: lady amarant on March 14, 2008, 07:07:03 PM
Gods above. I ... wow ...
http://takingsteps.blogspot.com/2007/01/seam-of-skin-and-scales.html (http://takingsteps.blogspot.com/2007/01/seam-of-skin-and-scales.html)
hi Lady Amarant,
this "Seam of Skin and Scales" piece is terrific. would you please ensure that Rebis reads this? she's been having a little angst lately, and i've been wondering how i could help. i think this will do it.
-ellie