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Did anyone find a good job? I seem to find job with people just talk about me, question me, and make me feel like a little ant.  I dont know how i can run from one job to another. I dont even know if anyone willing to accept me.  Waiting to find money for surgery is hard when you got people pull you back and make you feel like nothing.

Morning. Born...

My situation is a bit different from what yours seems to be, and I'm a lot older than you, but perhaps I can offer hope, at least.

I transitioned on the job after I had semi-retired.  There was a little bit of consternation on the part of a couple of younger team members over the bathroom situation which I solved by using a different floor until I had surgery.  Besides, our HR department told them to just "deal with it."  My Navy client and his staff took the change as no big deal.  In fact, they called me out of retirement a year ago, gave me a big raise, and made me project manager again.  I see the light at the end of the tunnel, though, and expect to retire again by summer's end.

What I think I can offer from my experience is two-fold:

1)  If you have a needed skill to offer to a company that's shorthanded, they should be more accepting of diversity.  Even better if their Equal Employment Opportunity policy includes 'gender identity or expression' or at least 'sexual orientation.'  You and I know we shouldn't be lumped under sexual orientation because we're TG/TS/IS, but many others don't.

2)  Work with HR/personnel to map out a transition plan.  If the company makes it clear that it supports you and that no harassment will be accepted, you're that much closer to home free.  Then you just have to be the best, most productive employee in your working area.   My company used Transsexual Workers: An Employer's Guide (Paperback) by Janis Walworth.  Janis has since written a second employment book called Working with a Transsexual: A Guide for Coworkers.

There are also things you need to know about Social Security.  You can change your name with SSA by sending in your court order.  One can no longer change the gender marker without proof of SRS.  So if you apply for work as a female before SRS and SSA gender marker change, SSA will eventually out you to your employer when they verify records.  So be careful.

Best of luck, young lady.

Thanks you very much for your help. You have been very helpful. I guess the only way is to work my way to SRS. I wonder if you also have problem about someone just cant tell which gender you are from different angle. Oh well, i guess it just me. Anyway thanks for your help.

As your body changes, your attitude, changees, and your confidences becomes greater, people probably won't have any problems recognizing your gender.  My only problem arises occasionaly on the phone.  If someone calls me sir, I say, "Actually, it's ma'am," and keep on talking.

I cant wait to change my body. I got no problem on the phone. I do have problem when they see my ID and I'm short so that even worst. :P It's funny I was in military they always got my record wrong. For some reason they always have me as male. Before any treatment i have the half look. Give me to believe that something may happen to me during birth process but no way i can prove it.
Your voice didnt change?

Whereas testosterone thickens an FTM's vocal chords and, therefore, lowers the pitch rsther quickly, estrogen doesn't thin an MTF's vocal chords.  So estrogen doesn't change one's voice.  My voice is about 3 notes higher, but it has to do with some change I made to the airpath, i don't know what.  Probably that I am talking higher up in my throat and mouth and not from down in my chest.

Born,

No one could tell what I was from different angles either. And you may be right, you may have some other biological issues that are going on that you don't know about. I had  those issues and it is not too uncommon.  But I still had to live as a girl until this stuff was finally dealt with when I was in my  mid twenties. 

I could not keep a job either. I worked mostly labor jobs, and seldom kept one for very long. I was also homeless many times.  I think I can relate to what your going through.

Today I live a very productive life, am married to a wonderful woman, have a college degree, have worked as a Sociologist, Special Education Teacher, and Social Worker. But I did not get here going down a easy path at all!  I transitioned 15 yrs ago, and have never had to go back to that nightmare, and I am very grateful and never forget where I came from. If I can get here anyone can, believe me! People had bets on me that I would be dead at the age of 18 I was so wreckless.

You have come to a good place for support, and no you are not alone bro!  Hang in there!

Hey Taylor,

    Thanks for your support. You have been through a lot. I like your picture :p nice boat! Yeap im going to keep looking for job to pay of my debt, fee , and save money for surgery. I been working hard to find ways to plan ahead . My road is not easy but I guess god and lots of luck have help me a bit. Everyone here give me lots of good idea and support. That help a lot

Hey Born,

You can do it man I have no doubt, you got a God and you got some luck, the rest falls in place brother!

What kind of work are you doing or wanting to do?? 

Peace,

Taylor

Hey Taylor,

   Well, I want to work in electronic tech. Maybe one day be an electronic engineer or electronic research. I also wanted to study websign as well, maybe making that as my side job. Sure like to be my own boss to spend time with my love one. Right now im just going around doing minor retail job

Born,

Your goals are very realistic! 

Have you ever been diagnosed with a disability of any sort? If so,  (You dont need to share that private info in here) but if you have, and you have doctors, records, for proof, then you can qualify for Vocational Rehabilitation Services in your county.  They can assist you in technical school training, they pay tuition, books, they can also help with transportation under certian situations ( depending on how far you are from the training site). They can help with clothing every so often, and if you need tools for the trade you are training in, they purchase them for you,, etc. They even help in some cases pay medication scripts.


If you have a diagnosed physical or mental health disability or a combination of them, this is a huge resource! And you have some rights. I must tell you, that it depends on their budget ( starts over in July), the actual counselor you get, to what you actually get help with. BUT it is really worth a shot.  If you don't have a disability of any sort, here are a few ideas:

1. Find a company that trains on the job for electronic tech work. ( they often train their own people, and then you work and go to classes at the same time, paid by them) And you get hands on training and work hours that apply towards certification.

2. Apply for a Pell Grant and other Federal Grants and go to a V Tech school, work a part time job that will allow you to meet your school hours. ( I personally delivered pizza a LOT! lol)

Note: When you check out the school, do not assume that when they say they are "credited" that it means that they are normal credited there are some schools that are credited in a way that does not transfer to real colleges/universities/ or certification for licensing. It is often wise to attend community colleges that offer tech courses. Please select carefully. Anything "state funded" is good.

Most college students are broke, and it is a real struggle to get through and get the certification/degree that you desire. But it is a huge step to accomplish, and use your faith you can pull this off. It is also worth every bit of the effort, to get the technical skills that you desire. It is scary to take that first step, but it is well worth it.

Are you tied to the area that you live in?  Can you relocate if there is opportunities elswhere for you to work in this field?  A few things to consider as well.  Web search for programs that are offered by companies that will train you on the job, and you may come up with a perfect match.  There are independant owners that need reliable labor workers for doing commercial electrical work, such as just putting in jacks etc. to get your foot in the door.

Feel free to email me anytime, and just hang in there!

Peace,

Taylor

Taylor,

   I dont have disability. I'm a college student. I already gotten a 2 year college degree in art and return to take electronic degree. My only problem is money other then that I can do anything. I work to pay for most bill. I'm trying my best. Just like my teacher always told me.. sometime you can beat the bear and sometime the can bear eat you. Right now the bear is eating me piece by piece lol... I'm just waiting for the day i can beat that bear. lol... what can i say .. you win some you lose some

Hey Born,

I was only suggesting these ideas in the event you may have had a disability and did not know about these services. So many people struggle and don't know that this type of help is out there. I am glad you don't have a disability to deal with on top of everything else!

Well having two years of college out of the way has got to feel good! I remember my first year of college and I got this student job working in stage design.  We spent the entire first year building the props and preparing for the NYC Ballet to have their performance there. It was isane fun!  After we were done we had all these pieces of props, wood, etc. that were scraps, Andre, the dude that was my boss let me take some home, and turn it into furniture for my apartment!  Good thing cause I was so broke I really did not have any furniture.  Nothing like a big circle peace of wood fastened to a oxygon shaped base, spray painted in maroon on top and a brownish gold on the base, for a coffee table! lol

I rented my apartment from a professor I had. He figured out that I was crashing on a friends couch  and was pretty much homeless and going to classes lol....I was fricken determined dude! But I stayed in that apartment for a few years, and loved it. That is were you catch one those breaks with that bear your talking about!  I paid rent based on my income as a student worker for like two years. Thank God! Whenever I am up in that area visiting friends I drive down that little street and see the neighborhood, it is cool to look back at times. 

Peace,

Taylor

Hey Taylor,

   That's cool you make your own furniture. Seem like you have a great time in college. Its always great to remember the good time in our past. Its like seeing how much we all have been through in life as well as building ourself to be a better person.

born

Hey Born,

You know looking back, it is kind of cool. I am not allowed to make furniture for the house these days, the wife doesn't go for it lol....but back in the bachelor days it was a blast!

I never thought I would finish college, man that last semester seemed like it dragged on forever, so much so I still remember it lol

Peace,

Taylor

Sometime I just wish life was simple and people can work in a better work place where we focus on getting the job done and not on spreading rumor, make fun of other, and mistreat or judge people by the way they are. What happen to try to understand other people. Like the saying " You never know someone untill u walk in their footstep." and " Treat other as you like to be treated."

Hello born2learn,

I have a more realistic outlook on employment, Being someone who see Discrimination on a regular basis.

ON-THE JOB
I found that no manner what kind of EO (equal oppurtinity) laws are in your area or in the company handbook if an employer (usually manager,supervisor, HR rep) has a problem with gays, transgender people, they will find some logical loop hole to either terminate you or not offer the job for whatever "logical" reason they want to. Thats the cold hard truth of it..the only thing you can really do to "fight back" or protect yourself is KNOW everything you can on policy, procedure, and your employee handbook like your life depended on it because your income does!
Knowledge is Empowerment & no matter how much a person discriminates against you. If you know & can quote a procedures and policy and have adhered to them. They can't do anything to you.
SO Shall it be written...So shall it be done!
This also CYA's yourself because the more times this individuals come at you or trys to make an issue out of something you did. The more documentation you have to support a discrimination claim.
After a while this type of individual will more than likely this type of narrow mind az is lazy and will give up and coming to the enivitable conclusion that they cant get rid of you or its way to hard to bother.

APPLYING FOR EMPLOYMENT
this ones a bit more difficult to accomplish or deal with. 2 ways you can go about it.
1. Play the part for the interview and once you get the job refer to the above. This of course makes you sacrifice who you are for a brief period of time but you have to way the pros & con within that one for yourself.
2. Have no doubt in your mind who and what you are. If you give off the personna or demenor of the gender you identify with a lot of the time an individual can't help but to see "the gender" your portraying even if your name and ID say different! ( i find that approach wrks best for me! FYI)
3. Is find employment within the gay\transgender community.
As in a non-profit GLBT organization or a store or shop that is owned by such an individual, located within the community, or caters to our community.
4. There are employment resources out there for transgender\gay individuals.
Canada:
http://www.actoronto.org/website/referrals.nsf/pages/0861 (http://www.actoronto.org/website/referrals.nsf/pages/0861)
This one is actually pretty cool check it out.
USA:
http://www.gayjob.biz/index.cfm (http://www.gayjob.biz/index.cfm)

Sorry that all I had time to look up im at work! LOL

what ever the case just know it's not an easy path but remember "Stay the course!"

To love is to accomplish a great many things
Chynna

Thanks Chynna,

    Wow, That's a great research and you did all that during work too.  Ofcourse I will focus and continue on my track. You got to go forward and never go backward. Just like you always grow older not younger  :P

Anytime!

Just don't tell my boss! ;)
It's funny now that I think of it
I myself might be discrimenatory!? ???
When I have an open position to fill in one of my departments I will consider hiring a Gay or Transgendered person before a "normal" heterosexual (you get the picture) individual. Not as a sole basis for employment but if I had 2 individuals with the exact same qualifications I would offer it to the Transgender or Gay individual first...mmmm does that make me wrong?


Chynna

No Chynna I don't think so,

After all you have to work with people you hire - they have to work with you,  it makes sense if that is made as easy as possible, ie have stuff in common, can understand each others outlooks and attitudes

Now this is not politically correct - but its realistic

Rana :)

PS goes without saying that the best person 4 job is chosen & situation only arises where there are contenders very similar

Thanks Rana,

I still feel like im practicing reverse discrimenation a lil thou

I do have 1 employee that totally disagrees with me and "my lifestyle" I have had several discussions with her and HR until I finally just said to her " If you have an issue with reporting to a man in a dress...then  you better start seeking new employment"

yeah I down graded myself with the "man in the dress" comment but I was trying to put it in words she could easily comprehend given her narrow mind out look.

Chynna

Chynna,

I think you handled that great! And it was not a put down to yourself, it more like a good slap in her face if you ask me. And she apparently needed one.

Just wondering...what kind of work do you do if you don't mind me asking?

Peace,
Taylor

Of course I don't mind cutie ;)
Your just to adorable to say NO too!
besides
I'm an open book

I work for a Financial Services Firm
designing and maintaining databases
among my duties includes supervising 2 seperate departments which both use the database apps I design for item processing for about 9 different banks in the US and 2 outside.
In short im a tech geek with a staff ;D

I also volunteer\work at a non-profit LGBT health center. as a transgender youth\adult counselor.
I figured I should put my Bachelors degree in psychology to good use
I have been recently debating going back to school for a M.A. or PH.D. So I can become a therapist\psychologist but its just a thought im foolin around wit.

I have some personnal demons I need to deal with first! >:D :angel:

Chynna

Chynna,

    Hmm it hard to say. You should pick a person that can get the job done not what he/she is. Like they saying goes, "treat other as you want to be treated. " this mean it should go both ways. Maybe it's just me but, I believe that no matter who you are or what you do on your personal time is up to you. If you work you should work your best to get the job done not bring your personal issus to work and used it against other. My personal hate at work is rumor. Rumor to me is poison. I know that everyone is human and not everyone is good in this world. I think transgender are the one able to work with female and male well cause got a point of view of both side  :P Feel free to tell me if im wrong.
I dont mind a man in a dress. I just hope you look good in it  :P
I did see a guy in a dress before but i dont think he a transgender.. He did scare me cause of the way he act and the way he dress. It wasn't like a normal dress or anything. It was like the people in the "Rocky Horror show." I hope i dont affend anyone. If i do im sorry ...
Oh yeah it always good to get a Master or PHD degree cause of high pay and getting the job you want.

goodluck to you

Born

QuoteI believe that no matter who you are or what you do on your personal time is up to you. If you work you should work your best to get the job done not bring your personal issus to work and used it against other.

I agree totally but I have a flip side to that. a lot of times "we" Transgender individuals are past up for employment and\or promotions simply because we are who we are. its happened to me one time definitly confirmed that the only reason I was not offered the position was because I came to the interview as a woman.
So in my twisted little head (& believe you me it's twisted up there! ;D ) I am simply trying to level the playing field a bit or trying to even the odds. I know in my heart & mind i'm being biased but thats a character flaw im willing to accept if I can help someone in our community out. afterall we have enough strikes against us.

or maybe im just a power hungry, opinionated, bossey  :icon_censored:
;D

A thought so smooth.... only my therapist knows the difference!
:eusa_shhh:
Chynna

There is no question in my mind that jobs are lost due to a persons transitional status.

I think that if I had to choose between two people of equal quality I would pick the person I get a long with best...and to be honest that is not only based on if a person is trans or not. But if I felt I could get a long with both equally well, and they were both as qualified, I admit without any doubt i would go with the trans person over the other person...how else are the numbers ever going to honestly equal out if we don't? There is idealism and then there is reality.

Peace,
Taylor




Posted at: June 07, 2006, 10:03:48 PM

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Chynna ,

thanks for answering my question too by the way... just remember that if you want to work with people you are suppose to have problems lol.... I have never known a therapist that did not need a therapist and I have worked professionally with many! lol

Peace
Taylor

I wonder How do you tell if that person is a transgender if he/she had everything corrected? I heard that even if a person get hired from the manager who did the interview. The HR got the final words if the person is hired or not.
I do agree that if i get a chance I would sure pick anyone that can get along with too. Sometime life is not that great. We can't get everything we want.  :P
Sometime I think if i will 10000usd or get 1usd from 10000 people or more. I be so set :p Get all my paperwork and ID done.. then the rest is all downhill :p... I know I'm so silly... ;D

QuoteI wonder How do you tell if that person is a transgender if he/she had everything corrected?

Sometimes another TS can just tell...(not saying I can) There's a ton of questions that I cannot ask (legally) during an interview. Not that i would ask that one anyway.  but I was generally talking about someone who just started to transition or is mid way

Oh Taylor,
I know I have issues but I like to keep them as issues it makes life more fun & interesting!!!! :icon_help:

Chynna

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Chynna ,

I have never known a therapist that did not need a therapist and I have worked professionally with many! lol

Peace
Taylor

that's what it is all A Bout.
That's a therapists system of belief: "I need therapy, everyone must."

Chynna,

I have had many people from the trans community assume I was an outsider when i went to any type of board meeting ect. it is rather interesting. I have even been asked if i am the press and the person that was the press I suppose they assumed was TS/TG?? lol,...hell i dunno.


Born:  I believe that in answering the question that was posed here, we were basing the answer on if we did know. Would be impossible to ask the question if we could not conclude as such.  Obviously if someone does not know, then how can we make any choice with this as the basis lol.

Peace,
Taylor

I understand what you all are trying to say.  Just wish It will happen one day. I do feel bad when I hear people make fun of a transgender and Just always pray for the best and maybe one day transgender and gay dont have any problem getting job :)

What's up with therapist that need a therapist. Maybe that the same as people go to church to tell them their problem. The Father who hear your problem also go to another Father to tell his sin. So If this is true. Who is the head of the therapist?

Sorry a bit off track of topic :p but just wondering...

Quote from: born2learn on June 09, 2006, 06:00:27 AM
What's up with therapist that need a therapist. Maybe that the same as people go to church to tell them their problem. The Father who hear your problem also go to another Father to tell his sin. So If this is true. Who is the head of the therapist?

In a nutshell...........Everyone needs a therapist :P ::)

LMAO

Quote from: born2learn on June 09, 2006, 06:00:27 AM

What's up with therapist that need a therapist. Maybe that the same as people go to church to tell them their problem. The Father who hear your problem also go to another Father to tell his sin. So If this is true. Who is the head of the therapist?

aw I wish you hadna said that
just imagined a vast chain of therapists reaching up to the sky to some ultimate 'therapy god'
that's messed up, now I might need one

The best therapist is you :p you know why??? cause you know yourself better than anyone :p
Well maybe it a human thing that we need someone to share our problem or need someone to talk to or someone to listen. If not we go crazy lol...
We need to release our stress, pain, pressure, open our eyes, find our weakness, past mistake, past problem, etc... so that we can unload our problem and worry and free ourself :p and if we can't dont that ourself well that why there is a therapist lol...

QuoteThe best therapist is you :p you know why??? cause you know yourself better than anyone

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with that one.  I think sometimes we need a neutral observer to see things that we are too emotionally wrapped up in to see ourselves.  One of the most painful realizations that I've had in my life is a recognition of how thoroughly I am able to fool myself, for example, "I'm not transsexual, I'm just a CD'r that is really a woman inside." (Yup, pretty ridiculous, but that's what I thought for many, many, years!)

With a therapist's help we can recognize things like that and then, yes, we do our own therapy once we're awake to the situation - we do the healing and deciding for ourselves.  But the therapist, at least the way I see it, is there to be a guide, an observer and someone who will point out the inconsistencies in how I look at things.  I'm the one doing the healing and he's the one doing the diagnosis, so to speak.

helen

Hi born2learn,
Thinking about what you were saying about therapists & going to see a priest at church, you were talking about the act of confession :)  That concerns sins and asking for forgiveness for them - trying to put things right.  Sins are a matter for yourself and God, nobody else.  Priests cannot forgive sins - they just "stand in" for God .
I don't go anymore - but the concept is good, there are/will/may be times when it is very important to talk to a neutral disinterested person.  Thats supposed to be part of a priests job description - its carthetic but is not therapy.
Was made to go regularly as a child - had to confess sins, real & imagined - uno, slip the baddies in amongst a crowd of boring petty stuff :)
Sort of like "Bless me Father have been lazy stupid not helped old ladies across the street etc etc _{bad actions with myself} , not go 2 mass on sunday etc boring cetra"
"What sort of bad actions son?"
(O bugger) like mumble mumble _{playing with myself} mumble
"Dirty Grubby little boy!! - thats 10,000 Hail Marys for you to say, and just hope and pray you dont burn in Hell for eternity"
Just one of those things that made life fun for Catholics.  But what I badly needed was somebody I could have talked to about important stuff like
"Father, I am concerned - I dressed up in girls clothes and makeup, and it felt sort of right - I have had these feelings of wanting to be a girl,  is this wrong? am I gay?  why am I like this"  Say that sort of stuff - no way :(  it took several decades for me to get my courage up and in all that time ... :(
Sorry born, rambling a bit off topic.... but therapists (meaning a useful helpful disinterested person)  there wern't many about back when needed :(

Rana

Quote from: Chynna on June 06, 2006, 07:42:42 AM
Anytime!

Just don't tell my boss! ;)
It's funny now that I think of it
I myself might be discrimenatory!? ???
When I have an open position to fill in one of my departments I will consider hiring a Gay or Transgendered person before a "normal" heterosexual (you get the picture) individual. Not as a sole basis for employment but if I had 2 individuals with the exact same qualifications I would offer it to the Transgender or Gay individual first...mmmm does that make me wrong?
Chynna

I'm not sure if that makes you wrong Chynna but if you don't think you are wrong then based on your thinking I would believe that others who employ the same hiring practices would be as right as you where if given two candidates of equal qualifications and they chose a non-GLBT person for the position.

In the company I work for when any hiring is done the interview process always takes place in front of a panel of three where biases are easier to eliminate and tend not to be a factor.  Additionally based on interviews and test scores a list is created and each applicant is advised of how they fared and that they were either the best or they placed second, third, fourth etc.  The top candidate is offered the job, and is advised that it will be for a 3 month probationary period.  The applicant who finished second is also advised of this and asked if they would consider the position if the first chosen didn't work out after the probationary period expired.

Personally, as a manager I believe that any hiring process should include a testing mechanism that would ease the possibility of ties, or who's scores could be used as a tie breaker.  I'm not up on the US labour laws or issues associated with them, but it sounds as though what is being discussed is basically Affirmative action for the GLBT community, please correct me if my assumptions are wrong as I understand that there is big debate over this issue and that it isn't my intent to create a discussion on this.

Wait a second to keep this thread on topic, see this new topic on this issue -  Affirmative Action for the Trans Community (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,3361.msg28163.html#msg28163)

Steph

Hey Everyone,

    Thanks for your reply.

    Helen, your right we do need someone to talk to and guide us; however, that don't happen often.  When I was in highschool. I did see a video about XXY and how these people were different. Even a case of a woman who have everything seem to be normal and one day have an accident in swimming pool end up with doctor telling her she was a man. Even about a young girl born with male part and needed surgery cause she would have active female period when she grow up.
   Maybe I should say, is that we know who we are. We know if we lie to ourself. A therapist can only do so much and it up to us to take ourself to our own path. I'm sorry I think that I'm a bit different cause I go see therapist cause it required for transgender. When I go see my therapist, they just agree with everything i have plan or did. When I was a kid, I knew I was different some how. My grandfather and uncle teach me a lot of things. They teach me that no matter what I do or what my future will be. I must stay true to who I'm even if other people don't agree with me. My teacher teach me  not to go through life trying to be like other but be myself. My real enemy or something I need to over come is myself. Only if I understand who I'm then I can better myself.

Rana, I think everyone of us go through the same thing. Our family can't help us cause they don't know why we are the way we are. I did talk to my family. My dad wasn't much help. You know what, life doesn't come with instruction or answer for every problem. Its up to us to look for the answer and teach other. However, that is never the case. People are afraid of change. Everyone is different in there own way. Everyone is special cause they are different. Maybe we are like this for a reason. I know for sure if I wasn't transgender I wouldn't be able to meet my girlfriend. I wouldn't see how people are being mistreated or even make fun off. You know life is unfair and it's hard. I been good all my life and people take adventage of me and 1 even give me medical problem. I been helping so many people around me. When I needed help no one is there. The more I become successful in life the more people hate me. However, I will never give up being me. My teacher tell me, " A leader is like a parent and the people below you are like your children. You got to work on them like they are clay. In the end result, they are who they are because of you. However, they got to make their own step in life. You can only do so much . The rest is up to them. The only reward is knowing they are better person cause of you and they become successful in life cause of you." so I think a parent can help you only few step of the way and the rest is up to you. Some family support you no matter what. Other just kick you out of the house. No matter what happen you are always your own leader in your road to success and goal in life. I hope I make some sense :P You know my grandfather and uncle always tell me to stand up and fight.. lol they never teach me how to fight.. Anyway.....
:p the topic was lol if a therapist go to another therapist for help... lol who the head main guy/gal therapist they need to see. for example if therapist B need to go see therapist C who will later see therapist D..  and so on.. so the question is who will other therapist see when they need help..

Quote from: Rana on June 11, 2006, 07:28:49 AM
Priests cannot forgive sins - they just "stand in" for God .

Have to disagree with you there.

Quote from: Matthew 9:6
But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins...." Then he said to the paralytic, "Get up, take your mat and go home."

In other words, anybody can forgive.

QuoteThe best therapist is you :p you know why??? cause you know yourself better than anyone

Personally, I have helped myself further along mentally than any therapist and so for some people this may very well be true. However, it is always good to have a should to cry on in those hard times.

Melissa

Hey Melissa :)
We are talking at cross purposes I think.  Anyone can and Should be able to forgive.  But, only God can forgive sins - Priests can through God, not themselves. 

And I agree that while the best therapist is really oneself (provided you can achieve honesty in looking into your own "soul") Yes to be able to have that shoulder to cry on - is essential ":)

Rana

Quote from: Rana on June 12, 2006, 08:53:04 AM
We are talking at cross purposes I think.  Anyone can and Should be able to forgive.  But, only God can forgive sins - Priests can through God, not themselves. 

Hi Rana :),

It says that if a person forgives, it holds the same authority as God forgiving, because you are a part of Him.  It does not say that you act as his proxy.  It is a priviledge he has granted to all of mankind.

Melissa

Quote from: Stephanie Craxford on June 11, 2006, 08:46:50 AM
I'm not sure if that makes you wrong Chynna but if you don't think you are wrong then based on your thinking I would believe that others who employ the same hiring practices would be as right as you where if given two candidates of equal qualifications and they chose a non-GLBT person for the position.

Nah, Im absolutley wrong but hey it's a personnality flaw! LOL ;) i'm willing to accept if it "levels the playing field" a bit! ;) ;D
And I  always manage to find some "reasonable, Logical" reason why I choose the TS, Gay etc. person over the "Normal" Applicant. Most of the time TS's & Gays seem to be more objective, observant, & detailed oriented. Plus they general have a nack for "out of the box" thinking.

Besides I don't practice that thinking all the time Interviews here (at my firm) are general done to asses the persons personality (your requirements or skills already being documented on your resume and references)

Politically Incorrect
Chynna

Politically Incorrect,  ya sometimes it's neat :)

Steph