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I deleted a transsexual users account today for disparaging intolerant comments aimed non-transexual transgender individuals. I will delete the account of anyone doing so in the future as well. While we transsexuals may not always understand the compulsions that drive non-transsexuals they had no more choice in the matter, than most transsexuals do about transitioning. This applies equally to everyone transsexual or not. I sincerly hope you are listening as well Annwyn.

disparaging no.  Debate yes.  I try to ride a very fine line: In that I think an MtF who wants to go to a traditional female collage had my support, and FtM does not.  In the world of picking sides, you have to pick one, or the other, both is not a good choice. 

I have to say you have a better record than most in this regard. 

Quote from: tekla on March 18, 2008, 08:29:32 PM
disparaging no.  Debate yes.  I try to ride a very fine line: In that I think an MtF who wants to go to a traditional female collage had my support, and FtM does not.  In the world of picking sides, you have to pick one, or the other, both is not a good choice. 

I have to say you have a better record than most in this regard. 

This is the kind of thing I mean.

QuoteOh yeah some may remember me from being on here once before. And they will remember as well as the people who know me personally that I have ZERO tolerance for ->-bleeped-<- males presenting (masquarading) as Transexuals.

Once you adopt an attitude of this nature, someone has to pick who is and who isn't an "->-bleeped-<- male presenting (masquarading) as Transsexuals," and usually to drive them off. I won't let that kind of stuff get started on this site.  As the terms of service state:

QuoteEvery one is welcome at Susan's Place if you follow a few basic rules: This site is an open support area and is not generally sexually oriented. This site is for the discussion of issues related to gender and may include Transsexualism, Transvestism, Crossdressing, or other related topics. This web site exists try to provide constructive input and support.

Many people even on this site have started out thinking they were one thing, and later came to understand that they were actually something else. This site provided them the framework which enables them to come to a better understanding of themselves. We don't scar them forever with a brand that eventually may not be the best fit.

OK, I never say stuff like this, but you rock Susan.  A fair and wise guide, I'll do my best to adhere to it.

Well, Susan, you did what you had to do. I don't see this forum as a place to vent hate. If I am P.O.'ed at a group, I'll do it on my own mail site, or to my minister, who listens and places no judgments. That way, it won't hurt anyone else. While I ain't the most tolerant person of some groups who appear to try to make Trans people look bad, I usually try to keep it to myself. There is enough squabbling in the world anyway.

Just so I know I'm not in the wrong place, an androgyne who is uncertain about if or when he'll transition MtF is welcome here. Right? I mean, I didn't join the wrong board, did I?

If this board is intended for transgendered and transsexual persons and not for folks who are still uncertain, I'll leave quietly.

you're in the right place, Shades.    :)

If I catch you trying to leave, I'll lock you in a closet.    ;)

Don't go anywhere Shades! Your posts are way too cool to lose. You're not too shabby either. ;)

Rebis and Simone, thanks. It seems that most members here are TG or TS, and I was beginning to think I might have goofed in signing up.

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on March 19, 2008, 05:26:37 PM
Rebis and Simone, thanks. It seems that most members here are TG or TS, and I was beginning to think I might have goofed in signing up.

Aw, we're an equal-opportunity minority group. If you've had some zitty teenager say something nasty about you, (even back when you were a zitty teenager!) you just about qualify!

Quote from: lady amarant on March 19, 2008, 05:38:25 PM
Aw, we're an equal-opportunity minority group. If you've had some zitty teenager say something nasty about you, (even back when you were a zitty teenager!) you just about qualify!

My kids tell me that I act like I'm still 16.

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on March 19, 2008, 05:08:01 PM
If this board is intended for transgendered and transsexual persons and not for folks who are still uncertain, I'll leave quietly.

Of course you are welcome Shades :)  There are a lot of people who come here thinking they are TS and figure out they aren't or vice versa or Androgyne then something else. The great thing about Susan's is that all gender types are welcomed as long as they follow the rules.

I think sometimes we do far too much dividing versus banding together, but I guess that's a universal equality problem that happens in many movements/groups.

Quote from: MeghanAndrews on March 19, 2008, 05:44:44 PM
Of course you are welcome Shades :)  There are a lot of people who come here thinking they are TS and figure out they aren't or vice versa or Androgyne then something else. The great thing about Susan's is that all gender types are welcomed as long as they follow the rules.

I think sometimes we do far too much dividing versus banding together, but I guess that's a universal equality problem that happens in many movements/groups.

Thanks.

I just wanted to be sure as I feel I might have made a few enemies already. I've had bad experiences on message boards before, possibly because I joined a board that might not have been a good match. I'd rather not get inadvertently involved in flame wars again.

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on March 19, 2008, 05:47:40 PM
I just wanted to be sure as I feel I might have made a few enemies already. I've had bad experiences on message boards before, possibly because I joined a board that might not have been a good match. I'd rather not get inadvertently involved in flame wars again.

We tend to have good fire-persons on this board, Shades. And I believe Susan's warning applies for any 'enemy lists' that might have been drawn up.

No one has to like you, just respect that you are perfectly valid whether you are TG, Androgyne, CD, DQ, TS or questioning of any and all of those designators. 

Nichole

We accept everyone provided they follow the rules. You don't even have to be TG. That is the issue.

Disparage...

Main Entry: dis·par·age
Pronunciation: di-'sper-ij, -'spa-rij
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -aged; -ag·ing
Etymology: Middle English, to degrade by marriage below one's class, disparage, from Anglo-French desparager to marry below one's class, from des- dis- + parage equality, lineage, from per peer
Date: 14th century
1 : to lower in rank or reputation : DEGRADE
2 : to depreciate by indirect means (as invidious comparison) : speak slightingly about
synonym see DECRY
- dis·par·age·ment /-ij-m&nt/ noun
- dis·par·ag·er noun
- dis·par·ag·ing adjective
- dis·par·ag·ing·ly /-ij-i[ng]-lE/ adverb

Intolerant...

Main Entry: in·tol·er·ant
Pronunciation: -r&nt
Function: adjective
Date: circa 1735
1 : unable or unwilling to endure
2 a : unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression especially in religious matters b : unwilling to grant or share social, political, or professional rights : BIGOTED
3 : exhibiting physiological intolerance <lactose intolerant>
- in·tol·er·ant·ly adverb
- in·tol·er·ant·ness noun

Amen

=K

I like/love everyone and I do talk to anyone on the board no mater what label they go under. But a zitty nosed kid? ROFL Hey maybe that zitty nosed TS kid might grow up to be the next president of the US.

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on March 20, 2008, 12:00:00 AM
Hey maybe that zitty nosed TS kid might grow up to be the next president of the US.

Hehe. We were ALL zitty kids once. I cannot wait for the first TS president. Anywhere!

Renamed the title of this thread to clarify things.

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on March 19, 2008, 05:26:37 PM
Rebis and Simone, thanks. It seems that most members here are TG or TS, and I was beginning to think I might have goofed in signing up.

Hey, Shades, you're in the right place.

Wing Walker

Quote from: Wing Walker on March 20, 2008, 03:29:19 AM

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on March 19, 2008, 05:26:37 PM
Rebis and Simone, thanks. It seems that most members here are TG or TS, and I was beginning to think I might have goofed in signing up.

Hey, Shades, you're in the right place.

Wing Walker

I came here loking for awnsers and it just made me more confused at first, What Im trying to say is the gender whirl pool is a huge varied place that has no boundries. Shades it doesnt matter where you are in the pool.

Thanks, all, for the clarification and encouragement.

Hi Shades O'Grey, I believe you will sort it all out for yourself in the end as which (shade) of on the grey scale on gender classification you feel most comfortable with as time goes. Heck I been full time for 8 years post-opp M*F and I still don't really know about all the gender variants there is. If not certain, check them all out. I can't say I haven't had an interesting journey so far both here and the metaphysical side of our lives.

Cindy 

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on March 19, 2008, 05:08:01 PM
Just so I know I'm not in the wrong place, an androgyne who is uncertain about if or when he'll transition MtF is welcome here. Right? I mean, I didn't join the wrong board, did I?

If this board is intended for transgendered and transsexual persons and not for folks who are still uncertain, I'll leave quietly.

This was the question I had, too.

Lane

My intolerance is only towards those who are intolerant... I guess..

Hi Deviousxen hon, I had my fingers slapped once and that is enough for me to have learned to stay out of controversial threads. It ain't worth it. Gets me way more upset then I could ever upset someone else anyway. By nature I am not a confrontational person, I am here for the purpose of doing what I can to support anyone in need no mater what label they identify with under the transgender umbrella.

Cindy   

Quote from: deviousxen on August 31, 2008, 03:57:07 AM
My intolerance is only towards those who are intolerant... I guess..

i either ignore them or try to reason with them. Soemtimes the second part works... there are those who can adjust their framing and then remove their heads from their.... O HAI EVERYONE!

Thank you for taking that move, Susan.

eh, if I ever come off as doing something like that, let me know.  My irish/scottish/german blood can get a bit heated sometimes and I don't always realize how I am reacting to people.

I try not to though. 

Hope haven't done something like that.

I really am never hateful towards non-trans people... like cross dressers or cisgendered individuals. I tend to hate what people do, not what people are. If I express anger towards someone, it's because of something they did and has nothing to do with their sexuality, gender, race, etc.

LOL yeh well it's not people's status as transgender or not that ever get upset with, it's people's attitudes I have difficulty with.