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I like 'em.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouRUBvb7tVk

 :laugh:

I agree with the whole 'putting people in boxes/giving labels to things'...thing. It *does* help you to understand who/what you are. Like if you were really really sick - if you didn't have a name for it, you wouldn't know what it was and therefore how to treat it, but knowing that it's cancer or TB or something suddenly helps everyone. I don't think categorising people *too* much is a good thing, but being able to put oneself in a box (for me, at least) is very helpful. (Not that whatever name you box yourself with is an illness that should be cured, of course. Simile, *not* metaphor).


And Pica, I think you're gorgeous. :icon_flower:


Lutin

it does seem unfairly demonised.

You just made my day.

Quote from: Lutin on May 01, 2008, 09:57:02 AM
And Pica, I think you're gorgeous. :icon_flower:


Lutin

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Quote from: Nero on May 01, 2008, 12:09:02 PM

Quote from: Lutin on May 01, 2008, 09:57:02 AM
And Pica, I think you're gorgeous. :icon_flower:


Lutin

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well, every group does have a lunatic fringe.

Great video Pica!

Labels can be useful steps in understanding ourselves. I've worn more than a few labels myself over past years, and ultimately shed them all as part of my growth process. I used to joke that I've been every letter in the LBTGQ acronym.

Why restrict ourselves to only four sided boxes though? Triangles, pentangles, and octagons might be very comfy as well ;D ;)

Zythyra

I imagine a triangular box would have been less comfortable, and it's not like that box was all that cosy.

Quote from: Pica Pica on May 01, 2008, 12:32:30 PM
I imagine a triangular box would have been less comfortable, and it's not like that box was all that cosy.

That wine box didn't look too comfy, and the color was a bit drab  :P

What about a cylindrical box??  :D Or perhaps a box designed by Escher would be a good fit for androgynes. Yes, that's what I'd wear  ;D

Z

i'd have a purple hat box.

Quote from: Pica Pica on May 01, 2008, 01:19:14 PM
i'd have a purple hat box.

That would be much more becoming on you than that corrugated tan schmatah ;D

Z

I vote for gold.

why do you wear glasses if you always look over them?


My box is shapeless and canvas and is tied shut.  I think my box is a bag.

i need them for distances further than my arm reach, details - stuff like tvs and signs and the features on people's faces. I am so poor at reading people's voices but very good at reading their faces so I wear them always. However they actually make it harder for me to see thins up close, like books and the little screen that I look at to check I'm still in frame.

Posted on: May 01, 2008, 03:31:12 PM

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that and they broke three years ago and slide down my face. But I've never had the money to get a new pair.

Quote from: Rebis on May 01, 2008, 03:04:28 PM
My box is shapeless and canvas and is tied shut.  I think my box is a bag.

We could tie-dye your bag to make it more stylish  ;) ;D

Z (friendly fashion consultant to famous androgynes)

Great video!!!  You don't look very comfortable in that box.  It seems a little small.  I think I'd like a black and pink trapezoidal box.  I like parallelograms too, but I think the trapezoid would be more comfortable.  :laugh:

Quote from: Pica Pica on May 01, 2008, 03:32:26 PM
i need them for distances further than my arm reach, details - stuff like tvs and signs and the features on people's faces. I am so poor at reading people's voices but very good at reading their faces so I wear them always. However they actually make it harder for me to see thins up close, like books and the little screen that I look at to check I'm still in frame.

I can't see a foot in front of my face without my glasses, although during the day, I could probably manage to drive without them (I won't, but if I ever had to, I'd probably be all right so long as I knew where I was)

About reading people, I'm the opposite.  I get very little from looking at someone's face, or rather, I don't look at their face directly.  I'm usually watching their mouth (it helps me focus to see where the sound is coming from...and drumming for 15 years will hurt your hearing  ;)) and glance up to their eyes from time to time to prove that I'm listening.  However, I get SO MUCH from people's voices.  I'm definitely an auditory person.  I'm MUCH more likely to remember something if someone tells me than if I read it.  Word choice, tone of voice, intonation, all of those things are very telling.

Quotethat and they broke three years ago and slide down my face. But I've never had the money to get a new pair.

Glasses are stupid expensive.  I finally got a new pair of contacts, but I haven't gotten any more, so this pair is getting dried out.  I've had the same glasses for 10 years...and believe me, nothing you picked out when you were 16 looks good ten years later.

The recent database problems ate my previous comment about how the video is much more understandable than Wittgenstein. So, anyway, yes: we need words in order to talk -- or think -- about these issues. Boxes are good. At the same time, though, we must keep in mind that those boxes are man-made, so if one doesn't fit we should make a better one.

And it's very clear that Pica isn't a wine bottle. That box does not fit.

  Nfr

Boxes are good if you fit in a box but if you don't it can be very painful trying to fit in a box that others are pushing you into.
anyone that pushes you into a box is denying that you are different & special however finding your true box even if you are the only person in that box can be liberating but finding other people in that some box is very special

a box is easy to build

Quote from: Pica Pica on May 04, 2008, 08:44:20 PM
a box is easy to build

how do you build a box that you are comfortable in when you are a totally weird shape that keeps changing or mabie i should have 50+ different boxes one for each aspect of my personality / identity

build a sodding big box.

All this talk about boxes reminds me of this vid[yt=425,350]<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/p_dFcgIkYYY&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/p_dFcgIkYYY&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>[/yt]

I have boxes but they are all conected & i don't have a nothing box

but a woman's spirals and big ball of wire is in a great big box called her head. So he still have the box.

Btw, I've always thought in a big interconnected spiral type thing. And I'm only beginning to realise that some people don't.

So what name do you give your box
I'm me and I'm far too complex to be defined by 1 box
I can define parts of me
gender
sexuality
beliefs/faith/spirituality
health
humour
job status
hobbies
but these things full short on defining me totally. and none can be classed as "normal"
and all are interconnected
probably 40 more things to define before id have a full breakdown

androgyne
mostly assexual
atheist
solidly healthy
barman/unpublished author
writing/music/being in the sun/reading/films/acting/

now you understand me a lot better then you did. You roughly know what I may be doing, what i may be thinking and why i might be thinking it.
You have more of a handle on me.
its pretty damn simple.

Do you know me? no.
Am I trapped by these statements? no.
Can I change these statements at whim or after thought? yes.

The name for my box...well on here it's Pica Pica.

thanks for showing me who you are
heres me
halfway between androgyne and female in a male body
somewhere between lesbian and asexual
strong Loving Christian (other end of Christian range to fudy)
relatively healthy cancer surviver
warped & sometimes Dark humor
sicko pension
Art\trumpet\IT\acting

there are 8 boxes i kind of fit in but not with any comfort
you could say my box is Kinkly but I'm not allowed to be called that here so I'm kikly here
does this info describe me- not even close
does this describe my box enough for me to be defied by it? no way

I feel I know you better. It's a beginning, and that's all the boxes can do.

My box changes on a daily basis  :D

Remember, we are the people that could not figure it out  :P

don't stop us from trying now does it.

Quote from: Pica Pica on May 07, 2008, 04:39:04 AM
don't stop us from trying now does it.

I think about it every day.

Here's a few labels that I wear;

musician
writer
artist
Jew
agnostic
spiritual
pagan
queer
transgender
androgyne
activist
pacifist
humorist
geeky
bookworm
cat lover

human (or maybe I'm from Mars like Cindybc)  ;D

This list is by no means complete, I'll think of ten other things as soon as I post.

Zythyra

Cat lovers unite! I'm allergic though, but can't live with them, can't live without them.

i like the way some of zythyra's boxes clash a bit.

Quote from: Nero on May 07, 2008, 01:57:46 PM
Cat lovers unite! I'm allergic though, but can't live with them, can't live without them.

Awww, sorry you're allergic to cats Nero!

Quote from: Pica Pica on May 07, 2008, 02:40:25 PM
i like the way some of zythyra's boxes clash a bit.

What, I didn't wear stripes, plaid and polka dots all together  ;)  :laugh:

Z

no...but you are an agnostic, spiritual, pagan jew.

Quote from: Pica Pica on May 07, 2008, 04:12:24 PM
no...but you are an agnostic, spiritual, pagan jew.

I forgot to include Buddhist  ;D

One of my favorite stories, Woody Guthrie was filling out a job application, for religion he wrote ALL. They said, you can't put that, so he crossed it out and wrote NONE.

Z

My provisional list:

androgyne (if I understand what that means)
the bearded, would-be female bodied type
sexual (monogamous for over 20 years)
radical reform Jew with 75 percent German Jewish roots
fourth generation U.S. resident/citizen
according to doctor, beneath my shirt is body of man 10-15 years younger than my age
package handler/computer programmer/writer/graphic artist
degrees in dairy farming and philosophy
introverted dreamer capable of hyperfocus
probably pacifist, but untested
hike/cook/eat
poet published in multiple issues of community college review
allergic to various things at various times (it's changed over the years)
recent pur->-bleeped-<- of women's linen indigo pullover
weird

With warmest regards,
S

Quote from: Simone Louise on May 07, 2008, 06:51:15 PM

degrees in dairy farming and philosophy

what a combo

Quote from: Pica Pica on May 08, 2008, 04:39:35 AM

Quote from: Simone Louise on May 07, 2008, 06:51:15 PM

degrees in dairy farming and philosophy

what a combo

Especially when you consider I grew up in an inner city neighborhood, and went to college with the aim of becoming an astronaut who would take a hand in founding a new civilization on Mars--which I thought would have happened years ago.

S

Well, of course everyone on the mission would have to have multiple areas of expertise. You'd have been the dairy farmer and the philosopher of the first Mars colony.  8)

  Nfr

Cows in space?  Bovine Mission to Mars?  Its not just a pet, its what's for dinner.

Quote from: tekla on May 09, 2008, 01:52:42 PM
Cows in space?  Bovine Mission to Mars?  Its not just a pet, its what's for dinner.

Unlike the wagon train stuck in Donners Pass, we won't need to have one another for dinner.

Quote from: Seshatneferw on May 09, 2008, 01:28:09 PM
Well, of course everyone on the mission would have to have multiple areas of expertise. You'd have been the dairy farmer and the philosopher of the first Mars colony.  8)

  Nfr

Maybe I'd have a place in that androgyne settlement we talk about from time to time as well. Among my heroes, during those long ago times, were Charles Nordhoff and James Norman Hall, who flew Spads during World War I and then moved to the South Pacific, where they wrote the Mutiny on the Bounty trilogy. A balmy island climate might appeal to Z, though I don't know about the cows.

S

Quote from: Simone Louise on May 09, 2008, 03:53:37 PM
A balmy island climate might appeal to Z, though I don't know about the cows.
S

Could always shave the cows to keep them cool, or how about a shelter/shade.

That weather appeals to me, everyone wearing next to nothing....  >:D

Just think of me as the professor on Gilligan's island, I can build most of what we would need. Though instead of a radio, I could have built a raft to get home. The professor was smart, but also an idiot. :laugh:

Quote from: sd on May 09, 2008, 05:53:41 PM
Though instead of a radio, I could have built a raft to get home. The professor was smart, but also an idiot. :laugh:

I always wondered why he didn't just build a raft or boat... Well, I guess if he'd done that all the writers and actors and set designers would've been out of work :laugh:

Z

Quote from: Zythyra on May 09, 2008, 06:32:59 PM

Quote from: sd on May 09, 2008, 05:53:41 PM
Though instead of a radio, I could have built a raft to get home. The professor was smart, but also an idiot. :laugh:

I always wondered why he didn't just build a raft or boat... Well, I guess if he'd done that all the writers and actors and set designers would've been out of work :laugh:

Z

Or maybe he was bad at wood working.   :P
Eventually he did build one (reunion special if i remember right), but they had to wait for a storm to blow through to lift it off the island. Ever heard of a dry dock professor? Yes, it would have ruined the story, but to me, it sort of did anyhow, I mean really, they built how many things, but couldn't do that?

Yes, I was a fan of the show.

a programme i have only ever heard of since consulting with americans on the internet.

Quote from: Pica Pica on May 09, 2008, 09:14:07 PM
a programme i have only ever heard of since consulting with americans on the internet.

Typical BBC, you only got the first few episodes, bummer.

If Pica never watched Gilligan's Island it would explain why his IQ is few points more than the rest of us.

And as long as we're on the subject... Ginger or Mary Ann?

Ginger. I was about 7 years old when I first watched, but she was hot.

Quote from: tekla on May 10, 2008, 11:15:36 AM
If Pica never watched Gilligan's Island it would explain why his IQ is few points more than the rest of us.

And as long as we're on the subject... Ginger or Mary Ann?

Mary Ann... who was just busted for pot a couple of months ago http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/news/celebrity/ny-etmaryann0312,0,2155023.story (http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/news/celebrity/ny-etmaryann0312,0,2155023.story)  :(

Z

No wonder she was so good natured.

Quote from: tekla on May 10, 2008, 01:19:15 PM
No wonder she was so good natured.

Funny, Gilligan was the one that seemed stoned though  8)

Z

Quote from: tekla on May 10, 2008, 11:15:36 AM
If Pica never watched Gilligan's Island it would explain why his IQ is few points more than the rest of us.

And as long as we're on the subject... Ginger or Mary Ann?

Mary Ann, no question.



I am quite happy with my I.Q. thank you.

I am quite happy with my I.Q. thank you.

Well if you ever get to thinking its too high, nothing works to lower it faster than American Prime Time Sitcoms.

Quote from: tekla on May 10, 2008, 02:37:23 PM
I am quite happy with my I.Q. thank you.

Well if you ever get to thinking its too high, nothing works to lower it faster than American Prime Time Sitcoms.

Don't even get me started on Tv.

Actually, lowering it might be nice. It often seems like the more stupid the person is the happier they are. Ignorance seems to really be bliss.

Quote from: sd on May 10, 2008, 06:11:42 PM

Quote from: tekla on May 10, 2008, 02:37:23 PM
I am quite happy with my I.Q. thank you.

Well if you ever get to thinking its too high, nothing works to lower it faster than American Prime Time Sitcoms.

Don't even get me started on Tv.

Actually, lowering it might be nice. It often seems like the more stupid the person is the happier they are. Ignorance seems to really be bliss.

Reality TV might lower one's IQ even quicker >:D

Thus giving credence <no, Z isn't talking about CCR> to ignorance being bliss.  :laugh:

Z

Quote from: Zythyra on May 10, 2008, 01:23:26 PM

Quote from: tekla on May 10, 2008, 01:19:15 PM
No wonder she was so good natured.

Funny, Gilligan was the one that seemed stoned though  8)

Z

My weird uncle claims he sold bob denver some pot.  Bob denver had a summer cottage near the place my father was murdered when I was a kid.  That was a long time ago.

Posted on: May 10, 2008, 08:16:54 PM

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Quote from: sd on May 10, 2008, 06:11:42 PM

Quote from: tekla on May 10, 2008, 02:37:23 PM
I am quite happy with my I.Q. thank you.

Well if you ever get to thinking its too high, nothing works to lower it faster than American Prime Time Sitcoms.

Don't even get me started on Tv.

Actually, lowering it might be nice. It often seems like the more stupid the person is the happier they are. Ignorance seems to really be bliss.

I've noticed that too except for the poor people who suffer from maladies such as constant anxiety or other mental illness.  My theory is that their brains are not unconsciously struggling with millions of tiny details.

Quote from: Rebis on May 10, 2008, 08:21:07 PM
My weird uncle claims he sold bob denver some pot.  Bob denver had a summer cottage near the place my father was

Denver has admitted to doing a few things, particularly that, so it certainly is possible. He was also busted for it.

Quote from: Rebis on May 10, 2008, 08:21:07 PM
My theory is that their brains are not unconsciously struggling with millions of tiny details.

I came to that same conclusion years ago.

I need an on/off switch implanted in my head.

Quote from: Rebis on May 10, 2008, 08:21:07 PM
My weird uncle claims he sold bob denver some pot.  Bob denver had a summer cottage near the place my father was murdered when I was a kid.  That was a long time ago.

Rebis, that sounds incredibly traumatic!

:icon_bunch:

Z

Hi Z,

    It's definitely been traumatic.  One of my maladies has been post traumatic stress disorder.  That happened 40 years ago.  It still sucks.

   However, on the bright side, I feel I have come to terms with that incident for the most part.  All I have in my mind is the present and the future.  I don't dwell on the past.



Rebis

Quote from: sd on May 10, 2008, 09:04:42 PM


I need an on/off switch implanted in my head.

I know what you mean but my neurosurgeon has told me no  :'(  ??? :o ;D

Quote from: Nero on May 10, 2008, 12:24:06 PM
Ginger. I was about 7 years old when I first watched, but she was hot.

I agree, she was ahead of her time in sexyness. She is probably why today I find red headed women irresistible.

Quote from: riven_one on May 12, 2008, 02:54:00 PM

Quote from: Nero on May 10, 2008, 12:24:06 PM
Ginger. I was about 7 years old when I first watched, but she was hot.

I agree, she was ahead of her time in sexyness. She is probably why today I find red headed women irresistible.

me too

Quote from: riven_one on May 12, 2008, 02:54:00 PM

Quote from: Nero on May 10, 2008, 12:24:06 PM
Ginger. I was about 7 years old when I first watched, but she was hot.

I agree, she was ahead of her time in sexyness. She is probably why today I find red headed women irresistible.

I always liked Lucille Ball. My hair was reddish brown, I wished it was red like hers.

Z

Quote from: Zythyra on May 12, 2008, 08:16:15 PM

I always liked Lucille Ball. My hair was reddish brown, I wished it was red like hers.

Z

Your hair can be red like hers. "...she was a natural brunette she then died her hair blonde in the 1930's and 1940's then but to look good in front of the camera she started dying it red!!!"--from <http://www.blurtit.com/q413423.html>.

S

Quote from: Simone Louise on May 12, 2008, 09:15:17 PM
Your hair can be red like hers. "...she was a natural brunette she then died her hair blonde in the 1930's and 1940's then but to look good in front of the camera she started dying it red!!!"--from <http://www.blurtit.com/q413423.html>.

Oh right, I'd heard that she wasn't a natural redhead, but I blocked this travesty out of my mind.

Z