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Title: acceptance in female space
Post by: Ell on May 04, 2008, 04:17:32 PM
Post by: Ell on May 04, 2008, 04:17:32 PM
well, so yesterday i wanted to go pick up a few blouses, but i was nervous 'bout having to use the men's changing room. i had a very girly blouse on, and my boobs were rather noticeable. also had on some very painful earrings.
so i called my sweetie Lisbeff and told her how scared i was. and she goes, "Well, most stores really don't care where you change." and i said, "but a few months ago, the lady at Sears growled at me and directed me to the men's changing room."
then she told about a bunch of times when she got ruded out by store clerks, while buying girl-clothes in the early days of her transition.
"Finally," Lisbeth said, "all you can do is either go to the men's changing room, or, screw up your courage and go to the women's."
i said, "Ok, i'll do it!"
i made one final check of my accessories and thought, "uh, maybe i need a hair treatment."
so i put in a barrette in my frizzy hair.
when i got in there, the lady who counts the articles of clothing just smiled at me, and said, "go ahead, ma'am."
then i walked in, still terrified, but no one objected. i had been accepted in female space! i felt it was such an honor. i still feel very humbled by the experience.
as i was driving, on the way there, i saw a group of young women crossing the street. they were just out and about, enjoying the sunshine, and all of them could have been symbolized by the female symbol of a hand mirror, intersected by a comb. all except for one, who was wearing a bright yellow soft cotton top which showed that she was extremely pregnant. for her, a mirror and a comb just wouldn't quite do justice to her beautiful image. how could men, or anyone, see her and think she were somehow inferior? she, a living aspect of something truly sacred to us?
-Ellie
so i called my sweetie Lisbeff and told her how scared i was. and she goes, "Well, most stores really don't care where you change." and i said, "but a few months ago, the lady at Sears growled at me and directed me to the men's changing room."
then she told about a bunch of times when she got ruded out by store clerks, while buying girl-clothes in the early days of her transition.
"Finally," Lisbeth said, "all you can do is either go to the men's changing room, or, screw up your courage and go to the women's."
i said, "Ok, i'll do it!"
i made one final check of my accessories and thought, "uh, maybe i need a hair treatment."
so i put in a barrette in my frizzy hair.
when i got in there, the lady who counts the articles of clothing just smiled at me, and said, "go ahead, ma'am."
then i walked in, still terrified, but no one objected. i had been accepted in female space! i felt it was such an honor. i still feel very humbled by the experience.
as i was driving, on the way there, i saw a group of young women crossing the street. they were just out and about, enjoying the sunshine, and all of them could have been symbolized by the female symbol of a hand mirror, intersected by a comb. all except for one, who was wearing a bright yellow soft cotton top which showed that she was extremely pregnant. for her, a mirror and a comb just wouldn't quite do justice to her beautiful image. how could men, or anyone, see her and think she were somehow inferior? she, a living aspect of something truly sacred to us?
-Ellie
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: Elincubus on May 04, 2008, 06:00:07 PM
Post by: Elincubus on May 04, 2008, 06:00:07 PM
Quote from: ell on May 04, 2008, 04:17:32 PM
when i got in there, the lady who counts the articles of clothing just smiled at me, and said, "go ahead, ma'am."
then i walked in, still terrified, but no one objected. i had been accepted in female space! i felt it was such an honor. i still feel very humbled by the experience.
Well, congrats, that's great :)
But to be honest, that does not surprise me the least. I have only your avatar pic to judge from, but I everytime I see it I think that I would have never thought you were anything but a born woman had I met you on another side.
And regarding the inferior thing...I don't get it, I don't get it at all. It's always the same: They don't have a penis--they are inferior! They are black/yellow/whatever--they are inferior! They want to have sex with the same gender--they are inferior! And you probably could go on like that for hours...very sad, actually.
The human race in general seems to have a major inferiority complex that needs something to look down at to compensate...
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: Lisbeth on May 04, 2008, 06:24:09 PM
Post by: Lisbeth on May 04, 2008, 06:24:09 PM
Quote from: ell on May 04, 2008, 04:17:32 PM
when i got in there, the lady who counts the articles of clothing just smiled at me, and said, "go ahead, ma'am."
then i walked in, still terrified, but no one objected. i had been accepted in female space! i felt it was such an honor. i still feel very humbled by the experience.
I'm so very proud of you, sweetheart! :icon_bunch:
Quote from: Elincubus on May 04, 2008, 06:00:07 PM
But to be honest, that does not surprise me the least. I have only your avatar pic to judge from, but I everytime I see it I think that I would have never thought you were anything but a born woman had I met you on another side.
*grin*
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: buttercup on May 04, 2008, 06:48:48 PM
Post by: buttercup on May 04, 2008, 06:48:48 PM
Wonderful Ell, thanks for sharing your experience and I agree with Elincubus, you are woman. How great to have Lisbeth give you support too, thats excellent, makes me feel all warm inside! :) :)
Yes, one of human kinds worst traits. :(
QuoteAnd regarding the inferior thing...I don't get it, I don't get it at all. It's always the same: They don't have a penis--they are inferior! They are black/yellow/whatever--they are inferior! They want to have sex with the same gender--they are inferior! And you probably could go on like that for hours...very sad, actually.
The human race in general seems to have a major inferiority complex that needs something to look down at to compensate...
Yes, one of human kinds worst traits. :(
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: Floating on May 04, 2008, 07:28:24 PM
Post by: Floating on May 04, 2008, 07:28:24 PM
Yay!.. :D
That must feel wonderful! Thank you for sharing, it's great to hear some good news.
That must feel wonderful! Thank you for sharing, it's great to hear some good news.
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: Shana A on May 04, 2008, 07:32:08 PM
Post by: Shana A on May 04, 2008, 07:32:08 PM
That's great Ellie!!
Z
Z
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: NicholeW. on May 04, 2008, 08:38:51 PM
Post by: NicholeW. on May 04, 2008, 08:38:51 PM
Way to go, ellie!! That's just great.
Hugs,
Nichole
Hugs,
Nichole
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: Just Mandy on May 04, 2008, 09:23:11 PM
Post by: Just Mandy on May 04, 2008, 09:23:11 PM
Awesome Ellie, congrats :) I bet it made you smile :)
Amanda
Amanda
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: Gracie Faise on May 04, 2008, 10:57:01 PM
Post by: Gracie Faise on May 04, 2008, 10:57:01 PM
OMG!
I got bitched out by a retail chick at the Sears by my house too! I've heard stories from my girlfriends too about how Sear's employees get really catty at them, too. Wtf is up with that? Sears must hate customers.
I got bitched out by a retail chick at the Sears by my house too! I've heard stories from my girlfriends too about how Sear's employees get really catty at them, too. Wtf is up with that? Sears must hate customers.
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: tekla on May 04, 2008, 11:02:47 PM
Post by: tekla on May 04, 2008, 11:02:47 PM
Low class stores sell low class stuff and get low class people to do it.
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: Gracie Faise on May 04, 2008, 11:09:08 PM
Post by: Gracie Faise on May 04, 2008, 11:09:08 PM
Quote from: tekla on May 04, 2008, 11:02:47 PMBut I shop at Ross and Target and equally "low class" places and I get treated just fine.
Low class stores sell low class stuff and get low class people to do it.
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: tekla on May 04, 2008, 11:28:26 PM
Post by: tekla on May 04, 2008, 11:28:26 PM
I'm kinda fond of stores that are owned by the people working there. Or little boutiques, or flagship deals, and where you are has a lot to do with it too. Shopping in Cali is not like Oklahoma City. But I have heard bad things about Sears, and Penny's too. But in SF we don't have any of those. Or a Target, or a Wallmart, or a KMart, or any of that, big box stores are not allowed, so I'm not even sure how they work anymore, its been over a decade.
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: Gracie Faise on May 04, 2008, 11:31:35 PM
Post by: Gracie Faise on May 04, 2008, 11:31:35 PM
Quote from: tekla on May 04, 2008, 11:28:26 PMwoah, really? That's really cool
I'm kinda fond of stores that are owned by the people working there. Or little boutiques, or flagship deals, and where you are has a lot to do with it too. Shopping in Cali is not like Oklahoma City. But I have heard bad things about Sears, and Penny's too. But in SF we don't have any of those. Or a Target, or a Wallmart, or a KMart, or any of that, big box stores are not allowed, so I'm not even sure how they work anymore, its been over a decade.
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: Alyssa M. on May 04, 2008, 11:34:09 PM
Post by: Alyssa M. on May 04, 2008, 11:34:09 PM
So I went to Macy's the other day to spend some of the money Uncle Sam is returning to me this week.
I found what I wanted, and asked a clerk to direct me to "a fitting room I could use." (My specific words.)
She pointed to the fitting rooms. She did not make the slightest suggestion I should go downstairs to where the men's fitting rooms are.
Mind you, I was not in "girl mode".
Pretty much anywhere I have shopped for womens attire this has how it's gone. If I don't get respectful service, I'll just leave. But stores tend to like paying customers, so it has not been an issue.
The weird thing was that when I paid, she asked me if I was doing "some Mother's Day shopping." ??? Um.... Who gets their mom or wife a couple of lace trim tops, slacks, jeans, and a light trenchcoat on clearance for Mother's Day?
I said, "no, just shopping." "Oh, okay." Right then. :-\
I guess my presence there was just so innocuous she probably forget me the moment after I spoke to her the first time...
I found what I wanted, and asked a clerk to direct me to "a fitting room I could use." (My specific words.)
She pointed to the fitting rooms. She did not make the slightest suggestion I should go downstairs to where the men's fitting rooms are.
Mind you, I was not in "girl mode".
Pretty much anywhere I have shopped for womens attire this has how it's gone. If I don't get respectful service, I'll just leave. But stores tend to like paying customers, so it has not been an issue.
The weird thing was that when I paid, she asked me if I was doing "some Mother's Day shopping." ??? Um.... Who gets their mom or wife a couple of lace trim tops, slacks, jeans, and a light trenchcoat on clearance for Mother's Day?
I said, "no, just shopping." "Oh, okay." Right then. :-\
I guess my presence there was just so innocuous she probably forget me the moment after I spoke to her the first time...
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: buttercup on May 05, 2008, 12:17:09 AM
Post by: buttercup on May 05, 2008, 12:17:09 AM
Quote from: Gracie FAISE on May 04, 2008, 11:31:35 PMQuote from: tekla on May 04, 2008, 11:28:26 PMwoah, really? That's really cool
I'm kinda fond of stores that are owned by the people working there. Or little boutiques, or flagship deals, and where you are has a lot to do with it too. Shopping in Cali is not like Oklahoma City. But I have heard bad things about Sears, and Penny's too. But in SF we don't have any of those. Or a Target, or a Wallmart, or a KMart, or any of that, big box stores are not allowed, so I'm not even sure how they work anymore, its been over a decade.
Ditto.
Gotta get there one day, sounds fabulous!
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: cindybc on May 05, 2008, 04:53:04 AM
Post by: cindybc on May 05, 2008, 04:53:04 AM
Well I certainly am not going to a night without saying congrats to our smiling Sweets Ell
Cindy
Cindy
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: Ell on May 06, 2008, 10:19:09 AM
Post by: Ell on May 06, 2008, 10:19:09 AM
Quote from: Elincubus on May 04, 2008, 06:00:07 PM
Well, congrats, that's great :)
But to be honest, that does not surprise me the least. I have only your avatar pic to judge from, but I everytime I see it I think that I would have never thought you were anything but a born woman had I met you on another side.
And regarding the inferior thing...I don't get it, I don't get it at all. It's always the same: They don't have a penis--they are inferior! They are black/yellow/whatever--they are inferior! They want to have sex with the same gender--they are inferior! And you probably could go on like that for hours...very sad, actually.
The human race in general seems to have a major inferiority complex that needs something to look down at to compensate...
oh, thank you, Elincubus. *smile*
Posted on: May 05, 2008, 09:49:18 AM
Quote from: Lisbeth on May 04, 2008, 06:24:09 PM
I'm so very proud of you, sweetheart! :icon_bunch:
Thank you, sweetie. :-*
Posted on: May 05, 2008, 08:56:36 PM
Quote from: buttercup on May 04, 2008, 06:48:48 PM
Wonderful Ell, thanks for sharing your experience and I agree with Elincubus, you are woman. How great to have Lisbeth give you support too, thats excellent, makes me feel all warm inside! :) :)
Oh, thank you! (yeah, Lisbeff is great)
Posted on: May 05, 2008, 08:58:40 PM
Quote from: Floating on May 04, 2008, 07:28:24 PM
Yay!.. :D
That must feel wonderful! Thank you for sharing, it's great to hear some good news.
Thank you Floating. i was definitely walkin' on sunshine.
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: mickiejr1815 on May 06, 2008, 10:45:19 AM
Post by: mickiejr1815 on May 06, 2008, 10:45:19 AM
well, congrats from the Warrior Princess, Ell. and Alyssa, she probably figured you were Mother's day shopping for yourself, i've been many places, where guys and salesclerks whole doors and address me porperly and send me to the correct changing rooms while dressed completely masculine. for those of you concerned about big box stores, i do work at a walmart here in ohio and they are willing to help anybody with anything pretty much. they have been really kind with me about my trans status. i speak for all of them at least in my store that we're not here to judge people. so every walmart's not so bad. none of them are suppose to be because we have a respect the individual for who they are policy. i do admit that a few of the associates are quite disrespectful of women period no matter what though, but that's that inferiority complex we're starting to talk about.....
Warrior Princess,
Mickie
Warrior Princess,
Mickie
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: Ell on May 06, 2008, 11:17:57 AM
Post by: Ell on May 06, 2008, 11:17:57 AM
Quote from: Zythyra on May 04, 2008, 07:32:08 PM
That's great Ellie!!
Z
Thank you, Z
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: Alyssa M. on May 06, 2008, 02:35:09 PM
Post by: Alyssa M. on May 06, 2008, 02:35:09 PM
Quote from: Princess Mickie on May 06, 2008, 10:45:19 AMAlyssa, she probably figured you were Mother's day shopping for yourself, i've been many places, where guys and salesclerks whole doors and address me porperly and send me to the correct changing rooms while dressed completely masculine.
:) Thanks, Mickie. You're too kind.
(But I don't believe it.)
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: Ell on May 06, 2008, 11:34:14 PM
Post by: Ell on May 06, 2008, 11:34:14 PM
Quote from: Nichole on May 04, 2008, 08:38:51 PM
Way to go, ellie!! That's just great.
Hugs,
Nichole
Thank you, Sage. :)
Posted on: May 06, 2008, 11:23:44 PM
Quote from: AlwaysAmanda on May 04, 2008, 09:23:11 PM
Awesome Ellie, congrats :) I bet it made you smile :)
Amanda
Thank you, Amanda. Yeah, and it gave me lots of hope.
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: Wing Walker on May 08, 2008, 03:40:59 AM
Post by: Wing Walker on May 08, 2008, 03:40:59 AM
Good on ya, Ellie!
I've never had any questions or problems with using the fitting rooms in any store at any time. Since I began to be me in 2002 I always try before I buy any clothing, always in the women's dressing rooms. K-Mart, WalMart, Sears, Penney's, Macy's, all stores treat me with the respect due a customer. I have purchased brassieres from Sears and I had myself measured before I tried anything on.
Point: all customers are to be treated with respect. The occasional bad day is OK, I understand that, but I don't take any guff when the money is in my pocketbook.
Keep on enjoying, Ell.
Wing Walker
I've never had any questions or problems with using the fitting rooms in any store at any time. Since I began to be me in 2002 I always try before I buy any clothing, always in the women's dressing rooms. K-Mart, WalMart, Sears, Penney's, Macy's, all stores treat me with the respect due a customer. I have purchased brassieres from Sears and I had myself measured before I tried anything on.
Point: all customers are to be treated with respect. The occasional bad day is OK, I understand that, but I don't take any guff when the money is in my pocketbook.
Keep on enjoying, Ell.
Wing Walker
Title: Re: acceptance in female space
Post by: Ell on May 10, 2008, 01:52:57 AM
Post by: Ell on May 10, 2008, 01:52:57 AM
Quote from: cindybc on May 05, 2008, 04:53:04 AM
Well I certainly am not going to a night without saying congrats to our smiling Sweets Ell
Cindy
thank you baby Cindy!
Posted on: May 08, 2008, 11:00:21 PM
Quote from: Princess Mickie on May 06, 2008, 10:45:19 AM
well, congrats from the Warrior Princess, Ell. and Alyssa, she probably figured you were Mother's day shopping for yourself, i've been many places, where guys and salesclerks whole doors and address me porperly and send me to the correct changing rooms while dressed completely masculine. for those of you concerned about big box stores, i do work at a walmart here in ohio and they are willing to help anybody with anything pretty much. they have been really kind with me about my trans status. i speak for all of them at least in my store that we're not here to judge people. so every walmart's not so bad. none of them are suppose to be because we have a respect the individual for who they are policy. i do admit that a few of the associates are quite disrespectful of women period no matter what though, but that's that inferiority complex we're starting to talk about.....
Warrior Princess,
Mickie
Thank you, Warrior Princess, Mickie