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im not one thats big on social conformity, tough i did it for a while because i was bullied so bad...  and i strongly dislike a lot of the female parts of my body and i desire to be more masculine.  but... i dont think i'll ever feel like a "real" man.  i dont mind really.  i suppose i feel like i should have a mans body but not necessarily be a man.  and my trans people that may make their way into here, im definitely still trans.  lol 

you could be read around & ask questions

If you're being bullied, check with Jaimie, the Protector, good with whips, will travel, and highly recommended. >:D

Welcome, glad you're here,
S

Quote from: Chett on July 18, 2008, 02:40:01 AM
im not one thats big on social conformity, tough i did it for a while because i was bullied so bad...  and i strongly dislike a lot of the female parts of my body and i desire to be more masculine.  but... i dont think i'll ever feel like a "real" man.  i dont mind really.  i suppose i feel like i should have a mans body but not necessarily be a man.  and my trans people that may make their way into here, im definitely still trans.  lol 

I think it's possible to want a man's body and not feel that you're a man. I want more female characteristics but still believe I'm not either binary gender. But i'm not happy living as a man, so am moving in a different direction.

Z

that sounds about right Z.  and lol simone, luckily, im not being bullied any more.

It happens. A lot of androgynes believed themselves transsexual at one time. Body and/or social dysphoria is not limited to binary transsexuals either.

Quote from: Simone Louise on July 18, 2008, 09:12:01 AM
If you're being bullied, check with Jaimie, the Protector, good with whips, will travel, and highly recommended. >:D

Welcome, glad you're here,
S

You rang?  :P

Quote from: Chett on July 18, 2008, 02:40:01 AM
i dont think i'll ever feel like a "real" man.  i dont mind really.

I know that feeling...(though I'm keeping the female bits, more out of convenience than love of them)

Quote from: Jaimey on July 18, 2008, 07:42:11 PM

Quote from: Simone Louise on July 18, 2008, 09:12:01 AM
Jaimie, the Protector

Jaimey, please accept my apology for the typo.

S

i really dont like my boobs and long to have a male body.  but the gender.. im pretty dang sure i fall somewhere in the middle.

No worries, Simone!  I knew who you meant (that colorful description...heh).

I'm pretty oblivious to my body...I have very "eh :-\" feelings about it.  I would have preferred to be born into a male body though.  I just don't have what it takes to change it...that takes way more courage than I have.  And I like men and I want to have kids so, I can live with it (though I've certainly had my bouts with dysphoria and wanting a male body).

Quote from: Nero on July 18, 2008, 05:30:58 PM
It happens. A lot of androgynes believed themselves transsexual at one time. Body and/or social dysphoria is not limited to binary transsexuals either.

Yeah. I met a wonderful androgyne who once thought they were a transwoman. But now they're just a "Child of God," I think they called it. Haha. I really liked meeting them.

I used to think I might be androgyne. In fact, I might be able to cope with my body if I had only top surgery and that was it. But I also know I'd be a lot happier if I had T done as well... and was addressed as a guy... yeah, I'm still pretty sure I'm FtM, or at least more male than androgynous, you know? It's possible to be a, uh, "moderate male." Haha. What an oxymoron.

Quote from: Chett on July 18, 2008, 02:40:01 AM
im not one thats big on social conformity, tough i did it for a while because i was bullied so bad...  and i strongly dislike a lot of the female parts of my body and i desire to be more masculine.  but... i dont think i'll ever feel like a "real" man.  i dont mind really.  i suppose i feel like i should have a mans body but not necessarily be a man.  and my trans people that may make their way into here, im definitely still trans.  lol 

Perhaps, but men do vary.. I mean there are nerds, gays, machos, metrosexuals.. all men.

For me, I beleive in the 'gender spectrum' and so if you 'feel' completely in the middle, but want to have a man's body, then I think that in itself weights it to the male side.

Perhaps a "real man" is also one that can accept his little feminine side?

When I was accepting my transsexuality I remember telling my brother that I was an androgyne, then things unfolded and now I know I'm an M2F (and so does everyone else lol) For me, I think, because i've had to live like the opposite sex for so long that I created a character and it has been taking a while to wash out. I sometimes see myself as the old character and I also have thought that maybe i'm androgynous or bi-gender or gender fluid etc.. But I think it's just the confusion of leaving behind the familiar character you know so well. Remember that 'Genetic boys' have 18+ years to become men..

My opinion is that both F2Ms and M2Fs are mentally younger than a person who was born into their target sex. Without the right hormones, the brain just couldn't develop fully..

I was also diagnosed at 25 as having a protracted puberty, by my endocrinologist, and I still don't feel like an adult. I know an intersexed person who also feels much younger than his/her age.

K that's enough from me, i'll get down off my soap box! good luck!

:)

Hi Chett,

You could be androgyne, but only you can make that decision.  Hang around and see how you end up feeling after some time.

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Quote from: Chett on July 18, 2008, 02:40:01 AMim not one thats big on social conformity, tough i did it for a while because i was bullied so bad...  and i strongly dislike a lot of the female parts of my body and i desire to be more masculine.  but... i dont think i'll ever feel like a "real" man.  i dont mind really.  i suppose i feel like i should have a mans body but not necessarily be a man.  and my trans people that may make their way into here, im definitely still trans.  lol

Perhaps, but men do vary.. I mean there are nerds, gays, machos, metrosexuals.. all men.

For me, I beleive in the 'gender spectrum' and so if you 'feel' completely in the middle, but want to have a man's body, then I think that in itself weights it to the male side.

Perhaps a "real man" is also one that can accept his little feminine side?

When I was accepting my transsexuality I remember telling my brother that I was an androgyne, then things unfolded and now I know I'm an M2F (and so does everyone else lol) For me, I think, because i've had to live like the opposite sex for so long that I created a character and it has been taking a while to wash out. I sometimes see myself as the old character and I also have thought that maybe i'm androgynous or bi-gender or gender fluid etc.. But I think it's just the confusion of leaving behind the familiar character you know so well. Remember that 'Genetic boys' have 18+ years to become men..

Seriously. I am no "manly man." And I probably never will be.

I still enjoy beauty and class. I like frailty in men and even in myself. I just don't want to be so frail that I'm beautiful in a female way. I love to sing and dance and I love fashion. I don't strut about being macho or tough or anything, though I do have a side of me that likes to be a classic ->-bleeped-<- sometimes. Not just any ->-bleeped-<-, but one of those ->-bleeped-<-s that somehow manages to be funny while they're being an ->-bleeped-<- (at least this is what people tell me).

For a long time in my childhood I told my mom, "Why would anyone want to change their body? Why can't they just be a person (androgyne)?" Well, I later understood what body dysphoria was, and that being unisex or no sex just wasn't enough for me. My gender identity has a lot more to do with my person than stereotypes. It has to do with how I envision my body and my person as a general package.

I'm not one of those transguys who talks deep, buffs up, hits on girls and tries to put on some manshow. The manliest thing I've ever done was perform scenes from Hamlet, and Hamlet is quite the Shakespearian pussy. The point is, yes, I'd like a masculine body. But am I looking out to be a lumberjack? Hell no. I do like construction and mechanics, though...  :-X Fixing cars and building houses is a so much fun and I don't know why it bored me so much when I was little.

i played petruchio once. he's a manly arsehole. Good fun to do.

Quote from: Pica Pica on July 20, 2008, 12:08:28 PMi played petruchio once. he's a manly arsehole. Good fun to do.

Haha. I've played Tybalt, but he's a little ->-bleeped-<-. I really end up playing the guys who spit a lot (Hamlet has got to be one of the characters that spits the most, for serious).

I'm a manly man but I also display a lot of feminine characteristics. I'm an extreme man - ridiculously macho and ridiculously femmy at the same time.

But yeah, like Elwood, I don't need to flout my machismo. I'm secure in my manhood to just be me.

I find it hard to be manly when I'm so small and weak. So I end up doing things that I can, which I guess aren't so manly. Maybe T will change me.

Quote from: Elwood on July 20, 2008, 12:35:37 PM
I find it hard to be manly when I'm so small and weak. So I end up doing things that I can, which I guess aren't so manly. Maybe T will change me.

well, i don't know a whole lot about you but maybe you're just a classic twink which carries it's own brand of masculinity and even dominance. twinks rule.

Quote from: Nero on July 20, 2008, 12:40:05 PM

Quote from: Elwood on July 20, 2008, 12:35:37 PMI find it hard to be manly when I'm so small and weak. So I end up doing things that I can, which I guess aren't so manly. Maybe T will change me.

well, i don't know a whole lot about you but maybe you're just a classic twink which carries it's own brand of masculinity and even dominance. twinks rule.

Haha! A twink!

Well, I think I might be somewhere around there post transition. But I also want to be able to look masculine when I want to. I won't be the type of guy who gets full body waxes... -shudder-

Quote from: Elwood on July 20, 2008, 12:43:42 PM

Quote from: Nero on July 20, 2008, 12:40:05 PM

Quote from: Elwood on July 20, 2008, 12:35:37 PMI find it hard to be manly when I'm so small and weak. So I end up doing things that I can, which I guess aren't so manly. Maybe T will change me.

well, i don't know a whole lot about you but maybe you're just a classic twink which carries it's own brand of masculinity and even dominance. twinks rule.

Haha! A twink!

Well, I think I might be somewhere around there post transition. But I also want to be able to look masculine when I want to. I won't be the type of guy who gets full body waxes... -shudder-

Lol that will totally be me if I go on T - full body waxes. I don't mind leg or armpit hair, but if I started growing it elsewhere? I'd freak. It'd definitely have to go. Yeah, you've got the twink snarkiness, lol.

The only hair I really do mind is the hair under my arms. I think that's the only place (besides my face) I'll mess with. I'm thrilled about hair other places.  ;D Haha.

I guess I am a bit of a twink. I mean, my alias is Daniel "The Dapper." What kind of heterosexual manly man would call himself a Dapper?  :-X

Quote from: Elwood on July 20, 2008, 12:53:34 PM
I guess I am a bit of a twink. I mean, my alias is Daniel "The Dapper." What kind of heterosexual manly man would call himself a Dapper?  :-X

According to one of his many obituaries: "Former Boston City Councilor Albert "Dapper" O'Neil began his career as a political joke, and he ended it as a municipal embarrassment. But along the way, he won the affections of legions of blue-collar Bostonians..." He was a Boston legend and a manly man, the only city councillor who carried a gun, according to Mayor Menino.

S

Quote from: Elwood on July 20, 2008, 12:53:34 PM
The only hair I really do mind is the hair under my arms. I think that's the only place (besides my face) I'll mess with. I'm thrilled about hair other places.  ;D Haha.

I guess I am a bit of a twink. I mean, my alias is Daniel "The Dapper." What kind of heterosexual manly man would call himself a Dapper?  :-X

One that knows how to dress well?  Seriously, I've never heard dapper used to describe a man as anything less than a compliment. 

Quote from: Claire de Lune on July 20, 2008, 08:18:36 PM

Quote from: Elwood on July 20, 2008, 12:53:34 PM
The only hair I really do mind is the hair under my arms. I think that's the only place (besides my face) I'll mess with. I'm thrilled about hair other places.  ;D Haha.

I guess I am a bit of a twink. I mean, my alias is Daniel "The Dapper." What kind of heterosexual manly man would call himself a Dapper?  :-X

One that knows how to dress well?  Seriously, I've never heard dapper used to describe a man as anything less than a compliment. 

I guess so. But it isn't very modern. Most people of my generation haven't got a clue what it means.

dapper is nice, spiv isn't.

Quote from: Pica Pica on July 21, 2008, 02:16:58 PM
dapper is nice, spiv isn't.

What's 'spiv'? Is that a Briticism?

Yeah, it is.

From: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/spiv

spiv (spv)
n. Chiefly British Slang
1. One, usually unemployed, who lives by one's wits.
2. One who shirks work or responsibility; a slacker.

a vintage one...

'Spiv is a British word for a particular kind of petty criminal, who deals in stolen goods or fraudulent sales, especially a well-dressed man offering goods at bargain prices. The goods are generally not what they seem or have been obtained illegally.'

So says wikipedia, and it is pretty accurate.

But Spivs are often quite dapper fellows.

Any old iron any old iron any any old, old iron?
You look neat - talk about a treat,
You look dapper from your napper to your feet.
Dressed in style, brand new tile,
And your father's old green tie on,
But I wouldn't give you tuppence for your old watch chain,
Old iron, old iron?"

alias is Daniel "The Dapper." What kind of heterosexual manly man would call himself a Dapper?

No one I've ever met, (and I think most of them do know the word).  They think of themselves as 'stylish' or 'stylin'' for the most part.  If they think of it at all. 

And at that, all the Daniels I know, my son included, call themselves Dan.  Regular guys tend to go for the short version, not the formal ones in guyland.

I'm trying real hard but I can't think of a single 'Christopher' or 'Christian' who does not go by Chris.  Every Joseph I know is called Joe.  All the Roberts are Bob or Rob.  And I don't even use my real name at all.

So, being an actor, what is your stage name, that's the only one that counts in that world anyway?

Quote from: Elwood on July 20, 2008, 08:28:55 PM
I guess so. But it isn't very modern. Most people of my generation haven't got a clue what it means.

This (http://www.lastexittonowhere.com/tshirt/056/) would suit you, Daniel. ;)

I know lots of Christians, but it's pronounced Crist-jn

Quote from: tekla on July 21, 2008, 03:35:28 PM
And at that, all the Daniels I know, my son included, call themselves Dan.  Regular guys tend to go for the short version, not the formal ones in guyland.

I'm trying real hard but I can't think of a single 'Christopher' or 'Christian' who does not go by Chris.  Every Joseph I know is called Joe.  All the Roberts are Bob or Rob.  And I don't even use my real name at all.

All the gay guys I know always use their full first names... never shortened.

Zythyra

My closest gay male pals are Nick, Tom and Zack, but they are leather boys after all.

Quote from: tekla on July 21, 2008, 03:35:28 PMAnd at that, all the Daniels I know, my son included, call themselves Dan.  Regular guys tend to go for the short version, not the formal ones in guyland.

I'm trying real hard but I can't think of a single 'Christopher' or 'Christian' who does not go by Chris.  Every Joseph I know is called Joe.  All the Roberts are Bob or Rob.  And I don't even use my real name at all.

So, being an actor, what is your stage name, that's the only one that counts in that world anyway?

My legal name will be Daniel. My stage name will probably be Daniel (for music). I'm not sure if "The Dapper" is copywrited, so I better make sure before I try to use it. I avoid using Dan professionally because everyone who knows me thinks I want to be Dan Aykroyd II. But I do use Dan in casual settings. I rather like the name, but again, my parents have accused me of "transitioning into a short Dan Aykroyd." I really don't want that to be an issue. Choosing the name Daniel is tight enough, don't you think?

I am not any less of a guy for having a preference. Would I be even less of a guy in your eyes for choosing "Danny"? I really do like Danny as well, but I don't have a particular preference. I just know that if I'm ever a film actor, "Dan" won't be my first choice, because the Dan Aykroyd reference and comparison will always be made. I'll never one up his 6'1", 220 lb behind (well, that was 30 years ago). But who knows. Maybe he will slowly slip out of the film industry and only old-timeys will compare me to him.

Posted on: July 21, 2008, 05:44:40 PM

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Quote from: Elwood on July 20, 2008, 08:28:55 PMI guess so. But it isn't very modern. Most people of my generation haven't got a clue what it means.

This (http://www.lastexittonowhere.com/tshirt/056/) would suit you, Daniel. ;)

Great Scott! That's perfect!

Like in O Brother, Where Art Thou?.

You could always be called "Danimal" or "Dantastic"...I know a couple of those... :P

My dad was pretty offended by the "twink" comment. He really doesn't want me to be gay. But he's REALLY trying to accept it. That I might be gay or bi (I'm currently questioning). The fact that he's trying really means a lot.

Quote from: Jaimey on July 22, 2008, 06:24:33 PMYou could always be called "Danimal" or "Dantastic"...I know a couple of those... :P

LOL!

I tend to be the sloppy unorganized type lol.   Well sloppy in dressing.  I don't like to dress up.  T-shirt and shorts are my main favorite to wear, and sandals or flip flops if can;t be barefoot (don;t really like wearing shoes)  though do have a pair of work/military looking black mens boots I wear.

I'll wear stuff till have holes in them and even then some.  Learned to patch up some holes.   Not the cleanest person I admit.  I tend to get busy with something and forget I was supposed to shower :embarrassed: and clothing wise, if it still looks clean and doesn't smell I wear it.  *shrugs*