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So, during a meditative-type session, I thought of of something rather intresting.  Let's say scientists can figure out how to cure gender dysphoria by somehow making the patient 100% okay with their current gender.  It costs around the same as transitioning.  What would you do?  Go ahead and transition or use this new treatment and why?

I would use the new treatment - can you please hurry and invent it.

I am happy in my current body and often wonder what drives me to dress. My cuurent emotional state is telling me that I am not a typical male and hence I like to dress feminine and do feminie things. I also like hearing and joining in any girly conversation arround. To me I am very much TG as I like both Male and Feminine things.

The only reason I can see me to transistion would be so I can do those feminine things all the time without the fear. If is is something within the brain that is making me want to do those feminine things and it can be stopped then I would be happy as I never thought myself as the female gender.

Alice

Quote from: Alice on July 19, 2006, 01:50:40 AM
The only reason I can see me to transistion would be so I can do those feminine things all the time without the fear. If is is something within the brain that is making me want to do those feminine things and it can be stopped then I would be happy as I never thought myself as the female gender.

I can kind of identify with this.  I do consider myself female, and I enjoy feminine and masculine things (generally more feminine).  I have often wondered if there were no gender steriotypes, and no one had definitions for "feminine" or "masculine" whatsoever if I would even think about what I was on the outside.

I have to say I would still go through with transition. I couldn't go into the other feeling right, even though I would be ok with the decision afterwards. As I'm sure most of us would agree who truely identify as the gender opposite our genetic sex. We dont want to "fix" our brain we want to fix our body.

If I have someone change my brain its no longer me. If I change my body, well I'm still me, I just look different than I used to.

I am Ok 90% of the time which is why I want to 'fix' the brain. I can live as a guy and do the things I want to do. I do not change who I am -  a carring and gental person.

Those other 10% of the times are the hard times. This week has ben rather emotional and it is drawing me back into facing me being TG. That feeling of something not right inside and that urge to feel completly happy with myself. It is infact a very small part of my - my hidden self. But it is there are starting to dominate me. I would be happy for it to just go so I can get on with my life.

Alice

for you I understand the brain "fix" technique. Especially if you don't identify as TS but rather CD. When I was younger and didn't know I was TS and thought I was CD or TV, I would have gone the same rout. But as far as us that are TS there is no brain "fix" without changing  who we are, IMO.

Quote from: Ellissa Ray on July 19, 2006, 02:17:47 AM
for you I understand the brain "fix" technique. Especially if you don't identify as TS but rather CD. When I was younger and didn't know I was TS and thought I was CD or TV, I would have gone the same rout. But as far as us that are TS there is no brain "fix" without changing  who we are, IMO.

Well, I feel kind of like what Kate was saying on that other thread.  I just feel like I really want to be a girl... But I don't know... If I was given the option to be perfectly happy the way I am, I don't know if I'd go for it or not.  If there was a price difference, I'm sure I'd go for whatever was cheaper, but when it comes down to which I'd rather have.. I don't know.

No, I haven't seen that episode, actually.  But I love star trek, so I'm sure I'll see it eventually :P

Quote from: cindianna_jones on July 19, 2006, 04:39:43 AM
Had it been available when I was facing transition, I would have taken it in a heartbeat.  I had a family and a good career.  I also had standing in my religion. Those were of great value to me.  I lost them all in transition. I figure that I lost 10 years to get back on my feet financially.  I faced discrimination and many other painful things that many of us have experienced.  Who would chose to take a life so hard compared to the easier way of getting cured?

Did you ever see the star trek episode about the world of androgenous people?  One fell in love with Ryker and wanted to be female.  Her society fixed her.  She was fine with it, even though it didn't set too well with me.

Fortunately, I have been able to win back the hearts of most of my family.  I'm happy with my current station in life.  I'm happy and am fulfilled. 

Cindi

Cindi,

She felt fine with her self only after they "fixed" her.  No doubt that attitude was also part of the solution.  What other things happened to her personality?

No.  Even though I have caused (and will cause) a lot of pain and have a looooong road to travel, I would not take the fix.  It would undo the tapestry that makes me who I am. 

Chaunte

This is the miracle cure question. ;)


Would I take the new treatment? NO.

Personally that is death to me. It is like erasing my essence and filling the vessel with something foreign that does not belong. I AM female, I do not want that 'cured', thank you very much!  To be frank, that reminds me of something a cross between rape and lobotomy.

I am a woman (labelled as no-op TS if you so prefer), always was and always will be. The only reason SRS is not what I seek is that I love my wife dearly and this body is my gift to her to thank her for accepting me. Now for your question. All TS' in the room feel free to venture for coffee if you wish to, this may sound redundent here to all of us TS'!!lol
  A TS is woman in wrong body or vice-versa. We spend our lives in a 'scripted' role trying to learn to be our biological gender from those around us in a manner to be passable and acceptable in that gender. However, through our lives we end up at some point realizing something is wrong. For example, for me I heard "can't you just be yourself rather than act the way I do?" OK. I agree I was a bad actor. The reason we do this role thingy to pass is because there's nothing inside us,brain,soul,heart etc., that is male (or female in f2m TS) so we don't know how to be that part. So as to your question of curing our brains, would that include a shot of knowledge with it too? I sure as heck wasn't too good at that male role, passable w/ questions, but not good, and then you cure my brain of being a female leaves me with  no gender, which is like living in the twilight zone. Umm no thanx, I love me as who I am, Kimberly-Anne (Kim), woman in a costume!!  :)

Unless it is something that they can ID and treat right at birth...transition.

I did not do that great of a job at being a guy.  I could act and give the responses most expected but it was just me going through the motions since I was very young.  So if you offered it to me now, I would turn it down.  I am comfortable with myself and enough so that I am making friends and actually being social.

The way that I view this is that those who suffer from a "condition" are rather few ( Gender Dysphoria) is NOT what is so called wrong with a large population given that label.

Those of us that are a part of the spectrum of sex/gender identities, there is no cure for what is natural, regardless of how socially disruptive it may be. Society created one thing, God and Nature created another.... I am a part of that other.
Peace,
Taylor


Posted at: July 19, 2006, 03:26:29 PM

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Let me add, how do you "Cure" what is natural?

Peace,
Taylor

That's easy at this point.  I would transition.  I've already invested a lot and am starting to feel much better.  It would cost me extra to go the other way.  If this were right from the onset however, I would still choose transition.  My drive to be female is too strong.

Melissa

costs the same? mmn ... that means that I could not afford it, either one.


this begs the question: isn't it funny that probably the cure would have no obstacles and probably would be endorsed by the moral majority.
In the news there was an article in how new medical inventions are so exorbitantly expensive that people can't afford it, so is like there was no invention in the first place for them.

would i take the cure?
do i take the blue pill = stay in dreamland? or the red one = transition?
My name is NEO  :D

why? No reason.
" I know what you are searching for and why ... is like a splinter in your mind driving you ...
  I agree with Taylor in this: this is what Nature brought to the world. Am TransGendered, FatherMother my ancestors called it. I have no dysphoria about "my condition" actually I am euphoric that I am this way.  ;)
am a ->-bleeped-<- and always be 1 this is Natural.

sheila18

Wow this is a tricky question... to change my body (limited by the science at hand) or to erase my who I am from my own mind..... the only reason the second one might be ok is if I didn't remember any of my previous life... well now that I stop and think about that I would go with the way I'm going now... loosing everything, although a lot of it was difficult,would be too high a price and to live fixed know that I wasn't who I had always been I think would wear on me just as bad.

I'd slap the crap out of the scientist and wonder why and how someone gave them a grant to cure something thats not a real diesease.

Then I probable grab a Corona and relax!!!

Chynna

Quote from: Chynna on July 28, 2006, 01:00:15 PM
I'd slap the crap out of the scientist and wonder why and how someone gave them a grant to cure something thats not a real diesease.

Then I probable grab a Corona and relax!!!

Chynna

You could grab the corona first and slap him with that. :D

Melissa

Quote from: Melissa on July 28, 2006, 01:09:55 PM
You could grab the corona first and slap him with that. :D

Melissa

Er no, Melissa. Potential beer wastage there. Sinful imo.

Dennis

Quote from: Dennis on July 28, 2006, 01:16:49 PM
Er no, Melissa. Potential beer wastage there. Sinful imo.

Dennis

I would agree with Dennis

Now Dennis pass the lime and lemon babes! ;D ;)

Chynna

*looking totaly perplexed*

A "Cure".... would make me happy as a guy........ ummmmm....... yeah........ not happening.......
So basicly your going destroy what little is left of my fragile mine and set me back to work as a physical layborer with no future..........
Becomeing happy as a guy wouldnt have saved my love from leaving...... it wouldnt have given me the drive necicary to do something with my life......... (was a total layabout and thats putting it nicely)

Despite the hard road ahead atleast I have a future.... I will go back to school.... I will advance at work...  I will prevail..........

This "cure" sounds like more of a curse than anything and Id gladly shove it down the DR's throat and see if he remembers who or what he is afterwards...........

Quote from: Chynna on July 28, 2006, 01:32:42 PM
I would agree with Dennis

Now Dennis pass the lime and lemon babes! ;D ;)

Chynna

Chynna, you're one to talk about wasting alcohol.

Need I remind you about "miss thang" (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,3741.msg32332.html#msg32332)?

Quote from: Chynna on July 05, 2006, 04:43:30 PM
I like your style Sheila

I wouldn't say iwasted it...well worth him screaming and yell obscenetities has i walked out an the whole store heard him Ill be going back this weekend to lets see.....see how my new friends is doing!

LOL

Chynna

Melissa

Quote from: Melissa on July 28, 2006, 01:09:55 PM
You could grab the corona first and slap him with that. :D

Melissa

Oh no no no no!  This OSHA would constitues this a LOBA: Loss of Beer Accident.

You never want to have a LOBA.  The paperwork is overwhelming.  It's almost as bad as a LOPA!  (Loss of popcorn accident!)

**Blinks innocently**

Chaunte

That's assuming it breaks Chaunte.  The corona bottles are tough (and you could alway sdrink the beer first) and you could probably break the cheekbones before you broke the bottle.

Melissa

Ouch. :(

Anyway, I coulda sworn I'd replied to this thread already! Maybe it was a different one, LOL. If the doc offered this to me I'd run screaming. (Okay maybe not literally but I'd be very clear that I'm not interested.) For that matter, if the doc had a time machine and offered to go back and "fix" my brain in utero for free, I'd still say no way. I'm me and that would mean I'd never have existed in the first place.

For the same reason, if it were possible to diagnose GID in utero, I would not be in favor of any treatment that would align the fetus' brain to their chromosomes. Aligning the body to the brain would be preferable, if that could be done.

I though I already responced to this message too. ???

No one is going to mess with this woman's brain.
It's the real me not the thing called a body. That's just my house and i'm starting to do some remoldeling to the house.
Later maybe some an extreme makeover, I hope.
:)
Jillieann

I think this subject has been broached more than once. :)

Melissa

Yes it seems to be a reoccurring theme here.
But a very important one for many TS people.
:)
Jillieann

I dont think I would want my brain to be messed with. I have to strong a desire to be female and no one is going to change how I see myself. I would transistion.


owen

love being female

My answer is NO
because I am a woman!

tinkerbell :icon_chick:

If they were able to ask me in utero, and I knew then what I know now, I would have asked them to abort the pregnancy.

Jessica

Sure no, even if the 'brain treatment' were totally free of charge and problems. Otherwise I would be no longer me, but another person - probably better - but another one.

i dont want to be male, so it wouldnt be a 'cure'...

actually this reminds of the plot in x-men 3 lol :p

No way, I'd go with transitioning.

This sort of thing scares me.  If it made me happy as I am.. would it really be me?  It'd just be some new, happy person.  The person who I was before, who I see as the real me, would have been "deleted."  Too freaky, I wouldn't do it.

Changing the brain is scary.  That is our identity.  Changing the body is way preferrable.  We're used to our bodies being mutable.  We're hardwired to know our bodies will change.  Even if it's just in the style of dress, we are used to changing our outward appearance when we feel it's right, and with science, money, and determination we can change the flesh itself...  But change the mind?  Then you don't have the person you started out with before.  GID is a part of all of us, has affected us our entire lives.  Notice the word "identity" in it.  Change that, and what you had before ceases to exist forever.

i am  not the 'My' mind, the concept and idea of "my" appears in the universal consciousness, the concept of separation appears and vanishes "My" solidifies and 'becomes' real with our internal chatter runs our life.
  Lucid dreaming and Dhyana are only 2 methods to get back that original vision.
  the most common method is death, just ask people with prolonged death experieces that have come back.
I met this man with a clear and compelling account he has a message at a dharma-talk website.

  We can chose to be different sex without explanations, not because we are forced by life circumstances.  The day I dropped that story i found freedom.
love no matter what, sheila18