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Hey, I just got chest surgery done and I have a black hardly used (2-3 times) Underworks binder
it's the black ultimate chest binder one, the short style
It's a size small
I wanted to know if it was against the forum rules to ask if I could give it away to anyone who needs one on here.
cuz I know how much it sucks to not have money to afford one and such
I rather give it away then throw it out...
is that cool? ???

If it's not kosher here at Susan's, check out the big brother used binder program. :)

Can you give us the exact dimensions of the binder I guess? (Measurement wise)

And is there a specific chest size it works best on?

Wonder if there is one that would work for someone size DD LOL

Tri-top Chest Binder
small fits 31-33

You have to do a measurement
(over the man boobs, and then under them and average the two numbers)

It supposed to work for b-c's or small d's

http://www.underworks.com/983.html (http://www.underworks.com/983.html)

thats the one i have in black^

but ill try the used binder program then if no1 wants it here

thanks

I'll probably have to go through the used binder program to get one that would fit anyways.

Not sure how well will work, but worth try to pass a bit more

I'd take it but my chest is just a tiny bit bigger than that, so I don't know how it would fit on my :-/ probably hurt, I'd imagine.

Oh and Love the Romulan Pird of Prey currupt :D

Quote from: trapthavok on July 27, 2008, 09:54:55 PMI'd take it but my chest is just a tiny bit bigger than that, so I don't know how it would fit on my :-/ probably hurt, I'd imagine.

You definitely do not want to get one that's too small. Binding is risky/dangerous even when it's the right size.

Quote from: Elwood on July 27, 2008, 10:06:14 PM

Quote from: trapthavok on July 27, 2008, 09:54:55 PMI'd take it but my chest is just a tiny bit bigger than that, so I don't know how it would fit on my :-/ probably hurt, I'd imagine.

You definitely do not want to get one that's too small. Binding is risky/dangerous even when it's the right size.

risky/dangerous? elaborate.

when done correctly, i don't know of anyone who has been injured or died of binding, sir.

Dangerous if too tight. I never said it kills, but it can make a person quite ill, and that has happened and does happen.

Risky if you want chest surgery. It compresses the breast tissue and complicates the surgery... your scars will be bigger.

Quote from: Elwood on July 27, 2008, 11:17:31 PM
Dangerous if too tight. I never said it kills, but it can make a person quite ill, and that has happened and does happen.

Risky if you want chest surgery. It compresses the breast tissue and complicates the surgery... your scars will be bigger.

I was binding for two years.  i've had chest surgery.  I've had surgery with one of the surgeons who's probably been doing it the longest.  he says there's no difference either during or post- surgically for those who have been binding and those who haven't.  My scars are not big, in fact they're quite minimal compared to what I anticipated.

Too tight binding is done with a binder that is the wrong size or with horrible methods like duct tape.  Binding, when done properly, is NOT dangerous or risky.

These factors all have to do what size you were previously, and 2 years isn't as long as a lot of people bind. I know someone who bound for 20 years.

Binding does compress the tissue, especially in developing breasts. Don't try to tell me that sitting on a loaf of bread doesn't flatten it. Your doctor was ignorant. And yes, there are ignorant doctors out there.

Is there a link to the used binder place?

This is one I found.  Have to be pretty low income for it though. 

http://www.thetransitionalmale.com/Binders (http://www.thetransitionalmale.com/Binders)

Quote from: Elwood on July 27, 2008, 11:37:54 PM
These factors all have to do what size you were previously, and 2 years isn't as long as a lot of people bind. I know someone who bound for 20 years.

Binding does compress the tissue, especially in developing breasts. Don't try to tell me that sitting on a loaf of bread doesn't flatten it. Your doctor was ignorant. And yes, there are ignorant doctors out there.

What I'm saying is that binding tight enough to cause damage to breast tissue is doing it incorrectly.  I had DD breasts and testosterone did much more to break down the tissue than binding ever did.  Long term binding has more effect on the rib cage than on breast tissue.

You're calling Brownstein ignorant?  That's quite ambitious of you.  Are you on testosterone? If so, how did it affect your breast tissue?  How long did/have/do you plan on binding?  Have you had top surgery? If so, how'd it come out?  Were your results affected by binding?  If so, I'd love to see photos of this.  Heck, I'd even settle for something in writing from a surgeon. 


Posted on: July 28, 2008, 03:13:29 AM

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Quote from: Aiden on July 28, 2008, 02:52:37 AM
This is one I found.  Have to be pretty low income for it though. 

http://www.thetransitionalmale.com/Binders (http://www.thetransitionalmale.com/Binders)

that's the one I was talking about.

And as a former DD, I had good luck with the T-Kingdom 1800. Pricey, but TOTALLY worth it.

Cool, am DD, how well does it work?  Am worried that still going be to noticable.

Quote from: Aiden on July 28, 2008, 05:24:03 AM
Cool, am DD, how well does it work?  Am worried that still going be to noticable.

It works well, but you still need to do some creative layering.  Nothing is going to make a large chest COMPLETELY flat.  I had a friend with a similar sized chest who wore both a tri-top and double compression from underworks, but doubling up on binders is NOT recommended.

You're throwing in other factors that aren't part of this argument. I was speaking of long term binding without testosterone.

What I have personally experienced verses well known symptoms is irrelevant. My one insignificant experience proves nothing. I don't plan on binding because I want the tissue to be as healthy as possible for an easier surgery. I am not telling anyone here to stop binding, but I also want them to know that there are risks. I am not going to lie to them, and I'm not going to be in denial about anything. I care about my fellow man.

Reread the thread.  No one mentioned binding WITHOUT testosterone.  No one even mentioned long term binding, 'til you broght up the 20 year example.  And argument? I thought this was a discussion board.

Personal experience cannot account for more than well-known symptoms.  Correlation does not equal casuation and the experience of one does not outnumber the experience of many.

Binding is not inherently dangerous or risky.  Breaking down of breast tissue doesn't matter a bit, since it's being removed anyway.  Consequently, the breakdown of my breast tissue caused there to be less to remove during my actual surgery and my reduction in size probably made my surgery a bit cheaper.  The only way this logic is bunk is if someone is a keyhole candidate.  This means you must have extremely small, very perky breasts, among other factors.  Very few people can actually achieve this and, as a whole, those with such mall breasts typically do not need to employ such aggressive methods of binding, but instead can get away with frog bras, extra layering, etc.

One thing you did not mention is the risk of brochitis/pneumonia for those who bind too long and too tightly (also not binding properly...) and cause the lungs to be unable to expand enough to get rid of whatever gunk they accumulate.  This is easily solved by coughing deeply every couple hours or by binding properly.

Quote from: Mister on July 28, 2008, 02:11:34 PM
Reread the thread.  No one mentioned binding WITHOUT testosterone.  No one even mentioned long term binding, 'til you broght up the 20 year example.  And argument? I thought this was a discussion board.

In Elwood's defense I think he was just talking to me earlier in the thread when he made that comment, as well as anyone else he might have thought didn't know. I am not on testosterone yet, and I said I'd take the binder if I didn't think it was too small for me. So I would be binding without testosterone, and Elwood knows that.

Quote from: trapthavok on July 28, 2008, 05:21:00 PM

Quote from: Mister on July 28, 2008, 02:11:34 PM
Reread the thread.  No one mentioned binding WITHOUT testosterone.  No one even mentioned long term binding, 'til you broght up the 20 year example.  And argument? I thought this was a discussion board.

In Elwood's defense I think he was just talking to me earlier in the thread when he made that comment, as well as anyone else he might have thought didn't know. I am not on testosterone yet, and I said I'd take the binder if I didn't think it was too small for me. So I would be binding without testosterone, and Elwood knows that.

Right... but you guys are both missing the point.

When binding is done correctly- meaning with a binder, not an ace bandage or duct tape- is not dangerous.  Using methods not designed for such a purpose, such as the duct tape, can make binding harmful.  A binder that is too small is not binding correctly. 

Go to ftm.underworks.com for instructions on how to measure yourself and size info on the particular binder listed in this thread.

Not sure where my measuring tape is lol....  Burried somewhere in my craft box possibly or the dozen bags that also hold craft stuff

just out of curiousity, have you sent it to the program yet? 
if not, i'd be completely willing to take it off your hands.

also, congrats on surgery :)

and, also, to the guys discussing the dangers of binding...
from my understanding, long-term binding (most hours of the day for a lengthy amount of time) will shift ribs and organs around and possibly more, even with the safer techniques.  that much compression on any area of the body will cause some *change*, and the amount of compression used to flatten most chests will move things around a little, but usually not after lots of it and quite some time.  you just have to really listen to your body and not be afraid to stop if you feel anything different.  it's definitely been known to happen, even with the underworks binders. but, inherently, the safer you play the game the less likely of getting hurt ;)

BTW any suggestions if it keeps curling and cutting into sides?  Think I've been bruised lol

I was wondering it you have donated the binder yet . If not i could take if off your hands and  I'd really appreciate it if you haven't already gave it away.

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