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Seriously, its been bugging me lately.

I'm pretty manly, and I look like a teenage boy, and I tend to have more of a masculine/deep voice.  The only thing that gives me away anymore is my name which is VERY girly, but even that hasn't seemed to set off any alarms lately.

And while I'm all manly and stuff... my music is not so much, lol.  I tend to LOVE listening to Darren Hayes and KD Lang along with some Dirty Vegas, Aqua, and Incubus, and lets not forget Avril and Evanescenece.  Oh! And Savage Garden if I'm feeling it at the time.  There's some country thrown in there and a little hard core rock, but not things like "I'm gonna eat your soul and stab you and your mom and then go punch something!!!  RAAAAHHH!!!"

No, not for me.  And it bugs my friends to the point where they have hidden my CD collection and left me with nothing but Pantera and some Trapt.  And its not like I'm anti rock, I'll listen to some songs that I like, but mostly I tend to lean towards things that the guys around me would never listen to.

I understand that music is music and you can't classify someone's sexual orientation or gender by it, but still I find myself forcing Disturbed and Slipknot on myself just so I can avoid the looks I get while I'm driving around with Darren Hayes blasting from the CD player in my truck.

Musical taste or lack thereof is not gendered. You like what you like. Listen to it. Anything else wouldn't be authentic.

Music does not mark your gender.  Just because you listen what your friends may think is 'girly' music.  Who cares.  We listen to the music that moves us, makes us think, makes us happy or makes us sad.

I happen to like a variety of music, and some of my music isn't very girl like, but does that me any less a woman?  No, just eclectic.

Mistress Janet

Quote from: Scotty72 on August 17, 2008, 09:02:26 PM

I understand that music is music and you can't classify someone's sexual orientation or gender by it, but still I find myself forcing Disturbed and Slipknot on myself just so I can avoid the looks I get while I'm driving around with Darren Hayes blasting from the CD player in my truck.

What is the point of doing that? There is no way in hell I would "force" myself to play a certain band or style of music just to avoid any stares. If people don't like it then screw them. You should play what you like.

Quote from: Laura91 on August 17, 2008, 09:54:49 PMYou should play what you like.

Yeah, like McVaffe's "Tetris theme" techno remix. (http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR00155/)  People are all like "wtf is with the Tetris sound effects?"

I just think people need to increase their taste in music.  I mean, how cool is it to use Tetris sound effects as part of a song?  Seriously.

Then again, I'm almost always listening to Destroyer C or some other techno/trance.

Quote from: Scotty72 on August 17, 2008, 09:02:26 PM
Seriously, its been bugging me lately.



Darren Hayes and KD Lang along with some Dirty Vegas, Aqua, and Incubus, and lets not forget Avril and Evanescenece.  Oh! And Savage Garden ...

Whilst it is my opinion that everything you have listed there is rubbish, I don't think any of it is particularly exclusive to either gender. Incubus and Evanescence are quite popular to a lot of guys I know, much to my chagrin.

Yea, I love singing My Immortal by Evanescence.
I had a friend come over once and was playing some music and she couldn't believe what I listened to.  She has assumed I would like metal or such, never the variety of stuff I actually have.
If ppl were hiding my stuff I wouldn't be calling them friends, it would be much more impolite words the mildest being "thieves".

Yeh lol  I myself I enjoy the more emotional but not screaming soft rock or rock.  My Immortal by Evanescence is actually one of my favorite songs lol, plus Here without you and Kryptonite by 3 doors down, some of Aerosmiths songs and a number of others who I don;t remember names of because I'm just not one of them people who don't really bother to rememeber names of songs most of time and who can't sing along to well lol

No, but fangirling will. I had to learn that the hard way.

When I run into a Ghostbuster or a Storm Trooper, I can't squeal.  :-X Boys just don't do that!

Lol, Elwood, thats when you learn the art of how to 'fanboy' instead. :laugh:
I'm really passionate about the things that I like, but I've never felt the need to squeal and whatnot. Just express how much I love something.

But in all honesty, I love all genres of music. I like things that can be considered 'girly', but I also like 'masculine sounding' music as well. And there are several female singers that I love, but I try not to let it get to me. I'm well rounded in music and if I'm confident in myself, no one questions it. Its how you carry yourself, not what you like. :)

Quote from: Monty on August 18, 2008, 06:20:03 PMLol, Elwood, thats when you learn the art of how to 'fanboy' instead. :laugh:
I'm really passionate about the things that I like, but I've never felt the need to squeal and whatnot. Just express how much I love something.

But in all honesty, I love all genres of music. I like things that can be considered 'girly', but I also like 'masculine sounding' music as well. And there are several female singers that I love, but I try not to let it get to me. I'm well rounded in music and if I'm confident in myself, no one questions it. Its how you carry yourself, not what you like. :)

Squealing isn't a need. It's a reaction. A reflex, almost. Which is why it was so hard for me to break.

I like musicals. A lot. I don't know if that's masculine or feminine. >_>; But they're cool, alright? Lol.

Ah, I seen then.

Lol, its ok, dude. I love musicals too. XD

I never understood the squealing deal.  There are many things I think if really cool to do/meet or whatever but I never understood this squealing.  Sorry.   

Even if I met J.G. Hertzler I doubt ID be squealing lol... yabbering most likely though.   And hope get to meet him and maybe even drink beside him.  That would be really cool.

Then what, you're more of a man than me for not getting it? Honestly. Many girls don't do it either! And many gay men do. It hasn't got a thing to do with gender. It's called upbringing. In some families it's condoned, in others it isn't. Usually parents allow their little girls to squeal, but boys are told not to.

I don't think Aiden is trying to say hes more of a man by saying he doesn't understand squealing. Like you said yourself, some girls and some boys do it, others don't. Sometimes its difficult to understand a habit or a reflex when the other person doesn't have it.

Then why on Earth am I not supposed to do it, anyhow? I haven't since Chuck & Larry came out, so I guess maybe I've been unclear. It's not a habit I'm still breaking.

Sorry, didn't mean for it to come off that way.  I was just saying it's something I don't really understand.  I tend to cringe when someone does it, but that's just me.  I don't handle high pitch sounds to well.

It's really not that high for me. I've been going through a pre-T boy puberty at least vocally. I hope my body isn't releasing extra T, or they'll give me estrogen. In any case, I can't go very high anymore. In fact, I've lost most of my ability to sing.

Dr Syne reporting. I prescribe two hours of otep followed by a bit of time with the missing:. If you need to get your emo on the Cruxshadows and She Wants Revenge may be taken in small doses afterwards. If you are feeling really brave you can spice with a bit of X-Ray Spex and Mikabomb.



;D

*High fives Dr. Syne*  I love Otep!

So wait... squeeling is girly now?  Crap... well then maybe it isn't my music that's giving me away.  I actually know plenty of guys who squeel, so I never bothered to think that was either girly or masculine, just something you do when you're excited or feeling giddy.

I understand that not just girls listen to girls singing and not all guys listen to guys singing, but I don't see many guys jamming out to Taylor Swift unless their girlfriend is in the car.
What I had listed on the first post was maybe 1% of everything I listen to.  I have everything from T-Pain to Shakira and AC DC to Trace Adkins.  What I was saying was that I prefer singers with smoother voices compared to someone with a deeper masculine voice.
And it would seem that everyone loves Evanescence... well, a few...

And I agree with Elwood, musicals do rock.

Well, transguys tend to be over sensitive about what's "girly" and avoid anything that's feminine. I think that's nonsense. I bought a girl's jacket at VANS a couple weeks ago. Sure, it still looks androgynous, but I know of trans guys who refuse to go anywhere near the girl's stuff. The thing is, I don't see how having feminine qualities would make me less of a man. Granted, my feminine qualities are few and far between. It's not like I dance and sing with the birds and braid ribbons in my hair. But the thing is, sometimes I see some transguys as somewhat woman-haters. They'll say that everything which is feminine is disgusting. I can't see it that way. Not only do I like things like my one flamboyant pink shirt, but I also appreciate femininity. I think I especially like how transgirls overcome their natural masculinity and their womanhood shines through. I just don't get why trans guys often latch onto the male stereotype. It's no better than when a girl latches on to the girl stereotypes.

Pretty much, I listen to musicals, blues, stuff like The Beatles, ABBA, etc. My selection is not "gendered." I like movie themes, too. Most music I listen to is just classic American stuff that most everyone loves.

I dont tend to avoid anything and everything girly, just mainly the cloths because I dont feel right in them.  I wont beat off a pink shirt with a stick as long as I feel comfortable in them.  If I could I would totally just run around naked because cloths are awkward in general for me, not just girls clothing.

I agree when you say Transguys are sensitive about avoiding girlier things, but so are plenty of bio guys.  Everyone just wants to fit into their gender roles I guess.  I just enjoy avoiding the weird looks.  I never was much for attention grabbing.

Beefheart fans seem to be almost always male, as are gang of four fans, or wire, or any complicated, textured (interesting) music. Most girls I know leap for melody.

As for squealing, that is the most irritating reaction to anything, male or female.

Squealing is... immature, I suppose? You mostly see teenage girls doing it, or young adult women who are childish for their age, or flamboyant gay guys who are just ridiculous most of the time anyway. At least that's the impression I have and that most people probably hold. It's not endearing to people who don't do it.

I enjoy techno and being able to hear every sound going on instead of static or its all covered by a wailing guitar.

Lol, Its not exactly squeeling that I do, its more like a really high pitched and long 'Wow!'
Its pretty annoying, but I forget to catch myself from doing it.

Quote from: Pica Pica on August 20, 2008, 08:48:48 PM

As for squealing, that is the most irritating reaction to anything, male or female.

Yep... My feelings exactly.  Plus my hearing tends to be sensitive to high sounds.  Just was tortured on bus by some child screaming.. geh...  was like having a cold knife go through me head... 

People are probably blowing this "squealing" thing out of proportion. I know that if I ever squealed, it wasn't a shrill scream. It was along the lines of, "Oh. My. GAAAAAAWD!" Something like that. An enthusiastic blast of excitement. It doesn't last long and it doesn't involve screaming.

Regardless, I don't see why I'm defending myself. I don't do it anymore.

Then your not squealing.  Squealing is shrill.

Quote from: Aiden on August 20, 2008, 10:49:50 PMThen your not squealing.  Squealing is shrill.

Like a pig shrill?

Hmm. I must have used the incorrect terminology.

Im not sure in the age range, but some of the music listed here is DEFFINATLY geared towards girls....

KD Lang, Avril and so on are created for female audiences. Its a marketing thing, and it will give you away if your past your teen years...

It would be like someone in my age range liking Hanson..... for a male its JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE. Or Justin Timberlake or <and the list goes on and on>

Just like theres certian music that women are supposed to dislike... Slipknot, Pantera and so on...

Music by deffinition is not gendered, but societys views on music and artists create the impression, the ilusion that it is.....


If your really about your music giving you away though I recomend one thing... Dont sing along to it... that will be a deal breaker, especialy if the voice dosnt match what your trying to impart upon other people...  <Driving down the road blasting the Misfits with Mike Graves and singing along perfectly at the top of your lungs for the MtF>


So far as the squeeling... Ive never seen anoyone other than teenage girls, some very rare girly girl adults, and gay men do it... Thats probably not a good idea...

I hope I didnt offend, but Im just trying <very poorly> to get a point across...

I used to like Avril. You know, before she was a total bitch. At my mom's house in my other room (yeah, I have 2 homes, parents divorced) I still have 2 Avril posters on my wall. They'd be worth some money if they weren't crushed in the mail. D:<

I like Mr. B.B. King. :]

... so... no more singing eh?
... tomorrow is going to be a quiet and loooong trip into town... lol.

Ah, I only liked Avril for some of her older stuff, and Girlfriend because the song got so annoying so fast that if you sing it people get the F**k out of the lunch hall, and then you can finally eat your food in peace and quiet.  Ah... gotta love a few forms of torture...

But its true, some stuff guys dont listen to because its not seen as a manly sort of thing to the public, and I understand that, but music is music and I tend to enjoy it.  Like I said before, half the time I don't care for the singer's voice, but more for the beat going on in the background, unless they have a really great voice.

And in my defence, K.D. Lang has an amazing voice.

I think if anything the guy in the car next to me is just gonna be like 'Wow... what a queer...'

Elwood, you listen to some pretty good stuff dude.  But I don't think Avril's ever coming back from where she went, so the posters might not be worth much in mint condition anyways.

I am not supposed to like Slipknot? Screw that crap. Listen to what you like and to heck with what "society" may think. Crank up Peaches, Robots in Disguise, and Laether Strip and just enjoy. If you really wanna screw with da boring norms, do what I do and mix in some older Pink Floyd, Cab Calloway, The Clash, Peeping Tom, DK, Butchies, Pony Up!, Depeche Mode, Ego Likeness, Collide, Iggy Pop, and the Xanadu soundtrack (that really messes with their heads). Put some Enya in there too along with some Sarah Brightman.

Have fun!!!!

Yeah, it is fun going from say Enya to Ozzy and such like. Total genre flips are fun (=

Quote from: Kimberly on August 22, 2008, 07:55:07 AM
Yeah, it is fun going from say Enya to Ozzy and such like. Total genre flips are fun (=

My favourite compilation I made consists of Disney Princess songs and '77 english punk - with one or two camp classics thrown in and small snippets of funny dialogue from 'b' movies....I love that CD.

I was doing sound once for some hippie show that went on way too long (like more than a minute) and the club owner asked if there was any announcement I could make to clear the club out very fast.  I told him I'd do that one better and played the University of Michigan fight song by their marching band.  The place emptied faster than if I had said "free pot samples outside".

Quote from: Mnemosyne on August 22, 2008, 05:54:50 AM
I am not supposed to like Slipknot? Screw that crap. Listen to what you like and to heck with what "society" may think. Crank up Peaches, Robots in Disguise, and Laether Strip and just enjoy. If you really wanna screw with da boring norms, do what I do and mix in some older Pink Floyd, Cab Calloway, The Clash, Peeping Tom, DK, Butchies, Pony Up!, Depeche Mode, Ego Likeness, Collide, Iggy Pop, and the Xanadu soundtrack (that really messes with their heads). Put some Enya in there too along with some Sarah Brightman.

Have fun!!!!

Right on!!!!

Posted on: August 22, 2008, 03:59:46 PM

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Quote from: Pica Pica on August 22, 2008, 02:39:30 PM

Quote from: Kimberly on August 22, 2008, 07:55:07 AM
Yeah, it is fun going from say Enya to Ozzy and such like. Total genre flips are fun (=

My favourite compilation I made consists of Disney Princess songs and '77 english punk - with one or two camp classics thrown in and small snippets of funny dialogue from 'b' movies....I love that CD.

LOL cool

I listen to Billy Joel, Elton John, The Beatles, Queen, Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, Aerosmith, Bruce Springsteen, Simon and Garfunkel. Lots of stuff like that.

Are any of those "gendered" to you guys? I have the hardest time grasping the concept of music that is "gendered". You're supposed to listen and let it move you. You can't do that if you're worrying that it makes you seem not manly or girly enough!

Mostly I listen to trance, particularly tracks by Above & Beyond and Armin van Buuren. I think that most dance/electronic music is neutral in the perception of who it appeals to.

But having said that, sometimes my energetic side comes out and I listen to groups like DragonForce and Dark Tide. Real head-banging stuff, lol.

I think the only time music has the perception of appealing to a specific gender is when it's specifically marketed that way in order to affect sales. Such as making a compilation album of rock and power ballads, then calling it "The Greatest Dad's Album In The World... Ever!", before finally releasing it to coincide with Father's Day. That does tend to attach a significance seperate to the tracks themselves.

In fact, if I could see your music collection, I can guess your background, your education level, your IQ and your income.

Quote from: tekla on August 23, 2008, 02:19:47 AM
In fact, if I could see your music collection, I can guess your background, your education level, your IQ and your income.

I don't really have a music collection as such. At least not a physical one. I listen to the radio a lot both on and offline, and download music.

Does that make me dumb and broke? ;)

Close, but I was thinking of an Itunes list also.  But sure, tell me what radio station you listen to and I can do the same thing.  Major money is put into knowing just that.

Oh, okay. I have the DragonForce Albums 'Inhuman Rampage' and 'Sonic Firestorm', 'The Open Door' from Evanescence and 'A State Of Trance' from Armin van Buuren. Those are the only ones I keep. But I listen to di.fm online (usually the trance and vocal trance channel, and Armin's radio show when it comes on). Other than that I tend to prefer speech radio, news and such, like the BBC World Service, and BBC Radio 4 in the UK. :)

I listen to all kinds of things.....jazz, soul, rock, dance

Quote from: Lindsey on August 23, 2008, 01:51:25 AM
I listen to Billy Joel, Elton John, The Beatles, Queen, Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, Aerosmith, Bruce Springsteen, Simon and Garfunkel. Lots of stuff like that.

Are any of those "gendered" to you guys? I have the hardest time grasping the concept of music that is "gendered". You're supposed to listen and let it move you. You can't do that if you're worrying that it makes you seem not manly or girly enough!

No, but you may have stumbled through a time portal!  I think you're somewhere in the 1970s :D

Do you ever get the urge to dance to some Donna Summer?

I think music can.  If someone transguy were on the verge of passing and started listening to, say, Ani...     

Quote from: tekla on August 23, 2008, 02:19:47 AM
In fact, if I could see your music collection, I can guess your background, your education level, your IQ and your income.

That would be AWESOME!!!  Is it really even possible to do that?

Quote from: Scotty72 on August 23, 2008, 08:03:32 PM
That would be AWESOME!!!  Is it really even possible to do that?

Let's try.  These are virtually the only things I ever listen to:

Albums
Aetherius - Empty Box of Happiness
Aetherius - The Inevitability of Pain (and the stupidity of those who don't expect it)
Aetherius - Multi-Coloured Breakfast
J.S. Bach - Great Organ Works
Clint Mansell - The Fountain (OST)
Clint Mansell - Requiem for a Dream (OST)
David Arkenstone (I have almost his entire discography)
Destroyer C - Celestial Union
Destroyer C - Ascension
James Horner - Braveheart (OST)
James Horner - Titanic (OST)
Koh Ohtani - Shadow of the Colossus (OST)
OCReMix - Chrono Symphonic
OCReMix - Voices of the Lifestream
Xenogears (OST)

I don't think Music can give you away, I am a metal head though and though, Disturbed, Godsmack, Metallica, System of a Down, Slipknot, Ect is my choices of music.

I hate that everything seems to be gendered I was only comfortable seeing mama mia with a female friend because its a girly mavie why can't I like abba or lovely movies (chick flix)

Quote from: Kinkly on August 25, 2008, 06:51:55 PM
I hate that everything seems to be gendered I was only comfortable seeing mama mia with a female friend because its a girly mavie why can't I like abba or lovely movies (chick flix)

I just watched that this weekend.  The only genetic males in the audience were myself and two gay guys.
I loved that movie!  Abba rocks.

But yeah.  While I don't think music can give you away in regards to transsexuality.  A persons taste in music will give rise to scrutiny about other things as well. 
That's why I don't let my iPod fall into anybody else's hands. *nods* ^_^

I went to see Mama Mia awhile ago with my boyfriend, a bioboy. He dragged me, and we were the only dudes there. Sat right in the front row because he loves Meryl Streep. Lawl. Maybe every theatre had an obligatory gay couple. As for the music I listen to, it's pretty diverse, and I wouldn't call most of it gendered. Indie, folk, electronica/electroclash, some stereotypical 80s music (think Duran Duran) and rap like Kanye West, among other things. Anyone think that seems to denote a certain background/gender/education level?

I found this song by accident today.  I'd asked Rhapsody.com for a playlist of Dar William's songs and this was one that was one of them.  Hope you like it.

When I Was a Boy - Dar Williams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTD4XyMAmc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTD4XyMAmc)


She doea a great cover of Floyd's Comfortably Numb, too.

Ooo  nice song  (it's me!)

Dar Williams writes some great songs. I like that one!

Z

I'm a boy. I listen to Tori Amos, Regina Spektor, and that ilk. I'm not the only boy who does.

I hid too much for too long and I'm not hiding anymore.

-Lane

Simply put- Music doesn't reflect your gender, it reflects your soul.

I doubt my collection could give me away because I listen to such a wide variety.

The things I listen to most:
Rammstein, Rise Against, Killswitch Engage, Disturbed, Bad Religion, Pendulum, Junkie XL, Daft Punk, Enya, Godsmack, Loreena McKennitt, Kitaro, Cold, Staind, Megaherz

I still listen to a lot of stuff that I grew up with, the things my parents listened to like Black Sabbath, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Blue Oyster Cult, Rush, Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Molly Hatchet, Eric Clapton, Aerosmith, Lynryd Skynryd (sp?) among others.

In the four years that I've been with my SO, I've sampled a great variety of electronica, which I'm enamored with (I won't even start into the different genres)

A close friend of mine also introduced me to punk/punk rock, which I'm quite fond of now, and another friend of mine got me into metal, which I wasn't too interested in listening to before.

So a lot of what I love now has been introduced to me by friends and relatives, but I always love to hear new things. My collection is constantly growing and changing, much like myself.

Quote from: Phate on August 31, 2008, 03:01:16 AM
My collection is constantly growing and changing, much like myself.

Well said.

I listen to the music I enjoy. What fun is it if you worry others will criticize your tastes? I've seen men and women listen to nearly everything out there. Music doesn't define character, in my eyes.  :)

well I don't care if it's considered a guy genere or not.  I wil NOT give up listening to the perfect music that is METAL  >:D  >:D  >:D




SLAYEEEEERRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think we are probably an overly paranoid bunch of people  ;D
I often think people are talking about me and stuff, behind my back, things like that.

I don't really feel that music has anything to do with being transgendered or anything else. It's an individual thing.

I listen to a very broad range of music from Jazz... to Rock...to Classical...to New Age etc.

Music is based on your tastes. I dont think you should stop listening to something just because it isn't manly! I would never give up my music (what I love) because someone tried to tell me it was girls music.