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Some psychologist and psychiatrist claim that they can identify a transwoman from black ink (RO-test)test. How reliable it is? How other transwomen expriences? I have been in it two times.
Answers both time: undeveloped male identity with oidipal problems.

Quote from: Secretgirl on September 02, 2008, 08:12:27 AM
Some psychologist and psychiatrist claim that they can identify a transwoman from black ink (RO-test)test. How reliable it is? ..

The tests are meaningless and tell you more about the examiner than the test subject, a branch of psuedo-science similarly with lie detector tests.

I was going to make a long reply about the questionable at best use of rorschach style tests but a web cartoon will have to suffice.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg137.imageshack.us%2Fimg137%2F1167%2Fmagiceyesij2.th.jpg&hash=1413abdbf6e52c5886cbdaa2f82817bd7180279a) (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magiceyesij2.jpg)

What you see is open to interpretation, as are the results.

Projective tests like RO and TAT have low diagnostic reliability.

Quote from: Secretgirl on September 02, 2008, 08:12:27 AM
Some psychologist and psychiatrist claim that they can identify a transwoman from black ink (RO-test)test. How reliable it is? 

It's a load of tripe!

You mean like this?

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2Fa%2Fa7%2FRorschach1.jpg%2F300px-Rorschach1.jpg&hash=424c7fdc84182d0630faddce5b0b574f2d503c36)

The first of the ten cards in the Rorschach inkblot test. It has been reported that popular responses include bat, badge and coat of arms. (^ Mons, W (1950). Principles and Practice Of the Rorschach Personality Test, 2nd, Faber, 31)

For me, it looks like an unusually fat pixie standing on two rocks, her figure reflected in water or on glass. This picture, of course, is sideways.
You have witnessed, ladies and gentlemen, the ink-blot interpretation of a mad man. :icon_surprised:

Quote from: Elwood on September 06, 2008, 11:27:42 PM
You mean like this?

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2Fa%2Fa7%2FRorschach1.jpg%2F300px-Rorschach1.jpg&hash=424c7fdc84182d0630faddce5b0b574f2d503c36)

The first of the ten cards in the Rorschach inkblot test. It has been reported that popular responses include bat, badge and coat of arms. (^ Mons, W (1950). Principles and Practice Of the Rorschach Personality Test, 2nd, Faber, 31)

For me, it looks like an unusually fat pixie standing on two rocks, her figure reflected in water or on glass. This picture, of course, is sideways.
You have witnessed, ladies and gentlemen, the ink-blot interpretation of a mad man. :icon_surprised:

I see two Chihuahuas. What does that make me?

Quote from: iFindMeHere on September 06, 2008, 11:30:55 PMI see two Chihuahuas. What does that make me?

Hey, I see that too, now.  :P But I like my fat pixie better.

I think it looks like two fat ladies skipping or dancing coming towards you.

Quote from: Elwood on September 06, 2008, 11:33:04 PM

Quote from: iFindMeHere on September 06, 2008, 11:30:55 PMI see two Chihuahuas. What does that make me?

Hey, I see that too, now.  :P But I like my fat pixie better.

Subjectivity FTW. I think it makes me a nelly but i knew that already.

It looks like a symmetrical ink stain on a piece of paper.  And symmetry is just so overdone.  Boring really.

Quote from: Elwood on September 06, 2008, 11:27:42 PM
You mean like this?

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2Fa%2Fa7%2FRorschach1.jpg%2F300px-Rorschach1.jpg&hash=424c7fdc84182d0630faddce5b0b574f2d503c36)

The first of the ten cards in the Rorschach inkblot test. It has been reported that popular responses include bat, badge and coat of arms. (^ Mons, W (1950). Principles and Practice Of the Rorschach Personality Test, 2nd, Faber, 31)

For me, it looks like an unusually fat pixie standing on two rocks, her figure reflected in water or on glass. This picture, of course, is sideways.
You have witnessed, ladies and gentlemen, the ink-blot interpretation of a mad man. :icon_surprised:

Um... I see an angel in a dress, her arms raised skyward, a belt around her waist with a white buckle. But the strange thing is that, to me, it's... obvious. And I can't really see it as anything else. Believe me, I've tried.

Lol, curious thing, imagination. ;D

This is from the biography of a woman who transitioned in the early eighties:

QuoteThe tests I had been given, the Rorschach Ink Blot Test, as well as other visual tests involving pictures of people and scenes, were not grounded in any rational science. In fact, they are essentially arbitrary, culturally based catalogs of expected interpretations, based on a laughable model of what it means to be female or male of mind.

For instance, if one sees in a random inkblot suitably feminine images, such as flowers and cooking pots, then one is judged female. If one sees cars and planes, then one is judged a boy. It is that silly. In my first evaluations, I saw what was relevant to my life. I played fantasy games, so I saw dragons and griffins. I read science fiction all of my life almost exclusively, so I saw starships and galaxies. I studied science, so I saw cells and DNA. Guess what? According to respectable psychology, none of these things could possibly interest a woman. Only men should care about, and envision  such things. Women should only see domestic subjects, or matters relating to child care.

To say this angered me alone would be to ignore the vast disillusionment and disgust I felt. I resolved that no idiotic pseudo-science would determine my survival. I studied the same textbooks that my psychologist used.

My next evaluations uniformly portrayed me as the ideal of blessed womanhood. I saw butterflies and daffodils. I saw train tunnels and doughnut holes. I saw diapers and  teapots. And the most telling part is that my psychologist ate it up with a spoon.

Quote from: Elwood on September 06, 2008, 11:27:42 PM
You mean like this?

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2Fa%2Fa7%2FRorschach1.jpg%2F300px-Rorschach1.jpg&hash=424c7fdc84182d0630faddce5b0b574f2d503c36)

The first of the ten cards in the Rorschach inkblot test. It has been reported that popular responses include bat, badge and coat of arms. (^ Mons, W (1950). Principles and Practice Of the Rorschach Personality Test, 2nd, Faber, 31)

That looks like a robot with wings to me, or two wolves flying next to each other with an insect in the middle.

QuoteAnd then there is the classic Rorschach test that uses inkblots to assess a person's inner psychological experience. Several methods for administering and scoring the Rorschach have been developed, and although some of them are surrounded with a considerable amount of published research, it would be surprising if any two independent psychologists could administer the Rorschach to the same person and achieve identical findings.
http://www.guidetopsychology.com/testing.htm (http://www.guidetopsychology.com/testing.htm)

Quote from: Lisbeth on September 07, 2008, 07:35:18 AM

QuoteAnd then there is the classic Rorschach test that uses inkblots to assess a person's inner psychological experience. Several methods for administering and scoring the Rorschach have been developed, and although some of them are surrounded with a considerable amount of published research, it would be surprising if any two independent psychologists could administer the Rorschach to the same person and achieve identical findings.
http://www.guidetopsychology.com/testing.htm (http://www.guidetopsychology.com/testing.htm)

That is for the most part the meaning why I put the comic in my 1st post.
Hallucination jokes aside, the way the tests are subjectively interpreted through verbal and non-verbal input means even if the answer is "right" the patient could still be viewed as being "wrong".

Anyone who is wasting their time thinking about the inkblot instead of what the really hot therapy chick/dude would look like naked in their bed don't deserve to have imagination.  Really cool bonus, if you tell them this it pretty much stops the test, and who knows, you might get lucky.

True story, by the way.

Quote from: tekla on September 07, 2008, 12:57:03 PM
Anyone who is wasting their time thinking about the inkblot instead of what the really hot therapy chick/dude would look like naked in their bed don't deserve to have imagination.  Really cool bonus, if you tell them this it pretty much stops the test, and who knows, you might get lucky.

True story, by the way.

<NERD>
And all I could think of to say at 14 was, "I'm not taking this test. It's unscientific."

</NERD>

When I was 14 all I could think about was sex and money and what I could do to get sex and/or money.  Now that I'm way beyond 14 I think about other things like, well, um, ahh, well, I'll get back to you on that.

Besides, it's clearly Stitch from Lilo & Stitch.

Quote from: tekla on September 07, 2008, 08:14:45 PM
When I was 14 all I could think about was sex and money and what I could do to get sex and/or money.  Now that I'm way beyond 14 I think about other things like, well, um, ahh, well, I'll get back to you on that.

Eyeshadow?

nah, kinky girls like kinky boys, so that's sex

Both times the psychologist said that they want to see WHY I have become to a ''male transsexual''. The genderspecialized psychologist  did not find intensive straight for what they said implying ''gay transsexual'' or what the other type is. They saw only severe primary gender dysphoria and other psychological problems.  The interpretion: ''Because you do not like being man you have chosen a transsexual identity. I cannot accept your choice.''

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<add him to it>

Quote from: Angel_Mapper on September 07, 2008, 08:17:22 PM
Besides, it's clearly Stitch from Lilo & Stitch.

No, it's a wolf from Elf Quest.

it's an evil bunny rabbit

Quote from: Pica Pica on September 08, 2008, 11:48:41 AM
it's an evil bunny rabbit

Nasty Sharp Pointy Teeth!

Posted on: September 08, 2008, 02:11:15 PM

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Quote from: tekla on September 07, 2008, 08:36:18 PM
nah, kinky girls like kinky boys, so that's sex

true

Posted on: September 08, 2008, 02:53:39 PM

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Quote from: Secretgirl on September 08, 2008, 02:17:29 AM
Both times the psychologist said that they want to see WHY I have become to a ''male transsexual''. The genderspecialized psychologist  did not find intensive straight for what they said implying ''gay transsexual'' or what the other type is. They saw only severe primary gender dysphoria and other psychological problems.  The interpretion: ''Because you do not like being man you have chosen a transsexual identity. I cannot accept your choice.''

Sounds like you need a new therapist.

Quote from: tekla on September 07, 2008, 08:14:45 PM
When I was 14 all I could think about was sex and money and what I could do to get sex and/or money.  Now that I'm way beyond 14 I think about other things like, well, um, ahh, well, I'll get back to you on that.

Seconded.

I have no idea what you crazies are seeing here, all I see is some black ink on a white background that has been folded over and smooshed a bit... :(

Quote from: Nicky on September 08, 2008, 04:00:13 PM
I have no idea what you crazies are seeing here, all I see is some black ink on a white background that has been folded over and smooshed a bit... :(

What I see is a somewhat effed-up Queensyche logo.

Quote from: Shades O'Grey on September 08, 2008, 04:25:06 PM

Quote from: Nicky on September 08, 2008, 04:00:13 PM
I have no idea what you crazies are seeing here, all I see is some black ink on a white background that has been folded over and smooshed a bit... :(

What I see is a somewhat effed-up Queensyche logo.

and Welcome....


..to OPERATION MIINDCRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME!

there's a job for you in the system, boy, with
nothiiiiiiiiiiiing to sign.....

Quote from: iFindMeHere on September 08, 2008, 05:47:20 PM
and Welcome....


..to OPERATION MIINDCRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME!

there's a job for you in the system, boy, with
nothiiiiiiiiiiiing to sign.....

One of THE BEST rock albums of all time.

Oh come on, are you gonna say that Queensryche's got Rush beat? Rush blows Queensryche out of the water even restricted solely to Concept Albums!

Quote from: iFindMeHere on September 08, 2008, 06:30:50 PM
Oh come on, are you gonna say that Queensryche's got Rush beat? Rush blows Queensryche out of the water even restricted solely to Concept Albums!

I guess I've been a bigger fan of Queensryche than Rush. But really, it's like comparing apples and oranges. Their styles are completely different.

Yes, currently I see a ghost there. According to some RO-critical sites, many of answer here (included mine) would give points towards some ''unwanted'' personality findings. It could not be scientific. However in full RO-test there is 10 plates and the psychologist usually asks why do you see what do you see.

Quote from: Secretgirl on September 10, 2008, 06:12:46 AM
Yes, currently I see a ghost there. According to some RO-critical sites, many of answer here (included mine) would give points towards some ''unwanted'' personality findings. It could not be scientific. However in full RO-test there is 10 plates and the psychologist usually asks why do you see what do you see.

I was only given ink-blot tests a very long (about 32 years) ago. At that time, I thought it was fun.

But now, I wonder just how scientific such tests can be. I mean, what people will see in such images will vary from person to person, based on their hopes, fears, and possibly even their senses of humor. To then try and say that certain impressions indicate certain issues or disorders seems strange to me.

But then again, I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist. That's just my $.02.

I do not trust those tests.

Old post but when I read it I got angry. Like Shades, 30 plus years ago I was given these kinds of test by different Psychs and Therapists for over a year only I didnt find them amusing at all. This R O tripe,  other tests and psychtropic meds started me down this lifetime of loss after I was denied doing exactly what I am doing right now, only now I have much less time to be my true self.  Yep, this gals bitter when it comes to these tests and their relevance to transsexuality. They didnt want just anyone back then to transition,  only the most promising they thought would fit in. And that people is just what I was told and sent packing with my Elavil to calm me down.

Wendy

Quote from: Wendy C on October 15, 2008, 04:43:49 PM
Old post but when I read it I got angry. Like Shades, 30 plus years ago I was given these kinds of test by different Psychs and Therapists for over a year only I didnt find them amusing at all. This R O tripe,  other tests and psychtropic meds started me down this lifetime of loss after I was denied doing exactly what I am doing right now, only now I have much less time to be my true self.  Yep, this gals bitter when it comes to these tests and their relevance to transsexuality. They didnt want just anyone back then to transition,  only the most promising they thought would fit in. And that people is just what I was told and sent packing with my Elavil to calm me down.

Wendy

oh wow. sorry for your pain Wendy.  :(