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I have not yet started transiitoning.  but even as a guy I've never ever been comfortable changing my shirt in view of other people.

As a guy I've never been comfortable taking my shirt off since I started having boobs.

But sometimes, when I'm really hot, I find myself saying, "frak it," with the shirt right up to my nipples realizing that I'm not "allowed" to take it off. Until I have top surgery, it's against the law for me to be topless in public. Can you believe that? I really hate that law. There is nothing obscene about breasts.

Quote from: Tasha Elizabeth on September 08, 2008, 06:44:12 PMi have learned how to change bras under my shirt and even change shirts underneath another shirt....

I had to learn that magical technique living as a girl... people were always impressed.

Quote from: Tasha Elizabeth on September 08, 2008, 06:44:12 PM
i have learned how to change bras under my shirt and even change shirts underneath another shirt....

yeah i've done the bra thing for years. wasn't letting anyone see me shirtless.

I don't mind it, but as I age I'm getting a bit Tom Selleck like and am not so keen.
Actually I feel a bit self concious doing it. 

Yeah, I hate taking off my shirt in front of people.  It's pretty hard for me to go swimming as a guy.

I also wrap the towel around my upper torso like a girl.  I don't know when I started that, but it somehow just feels better.

I hate changing infront of people, I always wear a t-shirt (even over my binder, so ppl dont see it) or something just in case. I have to change everyday at work (well twice, into my uniform and out of my uniform), its so uncomvertable.

However around the house it doesnt bother me, I walk around in my boxer shorts all the time.

When I get surgery Ill probably be one of those guys who never wheres a shirt, lol.

Quote from: Nephie on September 08, 2008, 08:50:20 PM
I also wrap the towel around my upper torso like a girl.  I don't know when I started that, but it somehow just feels better.

I've done the same thing for as long as I can remember Nephie, even when I was little.  Even when there's nobody around I still do it.  :D

I can change my bra under a shirt too, but anything else I go to the ladies room and change in a stall.

Jenn

Quote from: katiekins on September 08, 2008, 05:36:17 PM
I have not yet started transiitoning.  but even as a guy I've never ever been comfortable changing my shirt in view of other people.

When I was "pre-everything", I used to feel the exact same way.  I never removed/changed my shirt in front of people (even family members and close friends), I felt exposed, displaced, a horrid, horrid feeling that I can't even begin to explain with words.

tink :icon_chick:

P.S.  I have added a poll for you, Katiekins!

I'm fine with taking my shirt of in front of other people if I'm in a locker room or in my dorm room, but taking off my shirt at the beach or the pool will never happen.  Too many, too much dysphoria. 

I have always hated changing in front of people.

I always liked doing the towel thing, but never wanted to be caught doing it so I always put on a shirt before leaving the bathroom or pool then wrap the towel around my waist. I never even liked wearing shorts, though now that I shave my legs I like wearing them.  :D

Never associated any of that behavior with dysphoria.  ???


I am pre everything, and no one has asked about my legs being shaved.

Not since I was 10!!!! Since 13 I think it would have been illegal. Since 24 it HAS been illegal!  :o

Quote from: Elwood on September 08, 2008, 05:38:42 PM
Sometimes, when I'm really hot, I find myself saying, "frak it," with the shirt right up to my nipples realizing that I'm not "allowed" to take it off. Until I have top surgery, it's against the law for me to be topless in public. Can you believe that? I really hate that law. There is nothing obscene about breasts.

I can believe it - it's just another expression of our patriarchal, heteronormative social mores.  There are NO valid health or safety concerns surrounding exposed breasts.  It's all about male perceptions - the thoughts of the female-bodied come in a distant second.

God, that must be bizarre for you FTMs.

When I was thinner I used to infront of people but I would turn my back so they couldn't see anything. Now I go out of the room.. or turn my back again.. depending on who is there.

I dont change my shirt in the actual open.

Even before I ever knew I was trans, I felt extremely uncomfortable changing my shirt in front of anyone. I would always swim in a t shirt at the beach so I didn't have to go topless.

Z

Quote from: Elwood on September 08, 2008, 05:38:42 PM
As a guy I've never been comfortable taking my shirt off since I started having boobs.

But sometimes, when I'm really hot, I find myself saying, "frak it," with the shirt right up to my nipples realizing that I'm not "allowed" to take it off. Until I have top surgery, it's against the law for me to be topless in public. Can you believe that? I really hate that law. There is nothing obscene about breasts.

Oh wow... D:

I never thought of it that way. I wonder if I'd ever get arrested in boy mode for it. Hahaha.

Who are cops to medically judge which tits are which?

Quote from: deviousxen on September 10, 2008, 02:42:09 PM
Who are cops to medically judge which tits are which?

Especially since there's no difference between male & female breast tissue.

Who are the cops to be telling me that I can't walk around without a shirt if I'm female, period?  Not that I'm eager to do that, but the taboo is just so stupid.  Thank you, Puritans, for your life-denying medieval attitude.

Quote from: Nephie on September 10, 2008, 01:11:56 PM

Quote from: Elwood on September 08, 2008, 05:38:42 PMSometimes, when I'm really hot, I find myself saying, "frak it," with the shirt right up to my nipples realizing that I'm not "allowed" to take it off. Until I have top surgery, it's against the law for me to be topless in public. Can you believe that? I really hate that law. There is nothing obscene about breasts.

I can believe it - it's just another expression of our patriarchal, heteronormative social mores.  There are NO valid health or safety concerns surrounding exposed breasts.  It's all about male perceptions - the thoughts of the female-bodied come in a distant second.

God, that must be bizarre for you FTMs.

I know it is for me... It's socially acceptable for a boy to take his shirt off, but I can't!

Posted on: September 10, 2008, 01:23:08 PM

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Quote from: deviousxen on September 10, 2008, 02:42:09 PM

Quote from: Elwood on September 08, 2008, 05:38:42 PMAs a guy I've never been comfortable taking my shirt off since I started having boobs.

But sometimes, when I'm really hot, I find myself saying, "frak it," with the shirt right up to my nipples realizing that I'm not "allowed" to take it off. Until I have top surgery, it's against the law for me to be topless in public. Can you believe that? I really hate that law. There is nothing obscene about breasts.

Oh wow... D:

I never thought of it that way. I wonder if I'd ever get arrested in boy mode for it. Hahaha.

Who are cops to medically judge which tits are which?

I really don't know. It's up to each individual what is "obscene public exposure."

Quote from: Nephie on September 10, 2008, 03:15:43 PM

Quote from: deviousxen on September 10, 2008, 02:42:09 PMWho are cops to medically judge which tits are which?

Especially since there's no difference between male & female breast tissue.

Who are the cops to be telling me that I can't walk around without a shirt if I'm female, period?  Not that I'm eager to do that, but the taboo is just so stupid.  Thank you, Puritans, for your life-denying medieval attitude.

It all has to do with shape/size.

If a woman has has a mastectomy because of breast cancer, she can walk shirtless because she no longer has "female breasts."

Mine may be small, but they have the "female shape." The round flesh and the perky nipples.

Noway my boobies arn't huge but there still boobs  ;D

Yep... Milk glands are so effing offensive I cant even bear this thread anymore...

Quote from: Nephie on September 10, 2008, 03:15:43 PM

Quote from: deviousxen on September 10, 2008, 02:42:09 PM
Who are cops to medically judge which tits are which?

Especially since there's no difference between male & female breast tissue.

Who are the cops to be telling me that I can't walk around without a shirt if I'm female, period?  Not that I'm eager to do that, but the taboo is just so stupid.  Thank you, Puritans, for your life-denying medieval attitude.

It's not the breasts, it's the nipples.  Walking around shirtless with bandaids on your nipples is legal.  Take them off and it is not.  LAME

And FWIW- when I had breasts, I wanted to be able to take my shirt off in public.  When I had them removed, I paused when actually doing it.  Took a while to break the habit.

Quote from: deviousxen on September 10, 2008, 04:02:02 PM
Yep... Milk glands are so effing offensive I cant even bear this thread anymore...

<3 the sarcasm Xen  ;D :laugh: :laugh:

Jenn

Quote from: fae_reborn on September 10, 2008, 10:20:23 PM

Quote from: deviousxen on September 10, 2008, 04:02:02 PM
Yep... Milk glands are so effing offensive I cant even bear this thread anymore...

<3 the sarcasm Xen  ;D :laugh: :laugh:

Jenn

What sarcasm? I find lactose VERY offensive to my minority.

After all... I'm lactose intolerant. Thats highly insensitive.

Yep, I've changed shirts in public. In fact in the middle of the State University Campus at 12:00 when hundreds of people were around. But, as a matter of fact I voted "no." I didn't think that removing my big shirt for my tank top only would actually be a truthful dodge around the question.

I have taken off my bra in my car on an interstate while driving. That's actually fairly easy and fairly private as well.

Before I transitioned I never felt comfortable shirtless. Cause it just never felt right to be without a shirt. Nor would I do so in public these days either, Not with one shirt over another or for any other reason. God made bathroom stalls for that sort of thing.  :)

Nichole

Quote from: Nichole on September 11, 2008, 12:00:32 AM
Before I transitioned I never felt comfortable shirtless. Cause it just never felt right to be without a shirt. Nor would I do so in public these days either, Not with one shirt over another or for any other reason. God made bathroom stalls for that sort of thing.  :)

Nichole

Pretty much a ditto for me. Especially pre-transition, which, thankfully, makes sense now but was one of those SO confusing things growing up with. Heh.

Quote from: Tasha Elizabeth on September 11, 2008, 09:07:04 AM

Quote from: deviousxen on September 10, 2008, 11:57:00 PM

Quote from: fae_reborn on September 10, 2008, 10:20:23 PM

Quote from: deviousxen on September 10, 2008, 04:02:02 PM
Yep... Milk glands are so effing offensive I cant even bear this thread anymore...

<3 the sarcasm Xen  ;D :laugh: :laugh:

Jenn

What sarcasm? I find lactose VERY offensive to my minority.

After all... I'm lactose intolerant. Thats highly insensitive.

as long as you dont get it squirted on you  :D

Good grief, girls! Get a grip!!

N~

Quote from: Nichole on September 11, 2008, 09:18:17 AM

Quote from: Tasha Elizabeth on September 11, 2008, 09:07:04 AM

Quote from: deviousxen on September 10, 2008, 11:57:00 PM

Quote from: fae_reborn on September 10, 2008, 10:20:23 PM

Quote from: deviousxen on September 10, 2008, 04:02:02 PM
Yep... Milk glands are so effing offensive I cant even bear this thread anymore...

<3 the sarcasm Xen  ;D :laugh: :laugh:

Jenn

What sarcasm? I find lactose VERY offensive to my minority.

After all... I'm lactose intolerant. Thats highly insensitive.

as long as you dont get it squirted on you  :D

Good grief, girls! Get a grip!!

N~

Its funny how a thread decays from taking your shirt off to milk... You'd think the title of this thread would be, "So you have utters... Why taking your shirt off is embarrassing."

Though I don't like to show off my moobs I've changed my shirt often in public. I'd probably be finding opportunities to change my shirt once I get top surgery. :P

It always made me feel weird and "exposed" to take off my shirt, including as a young child. Gym class was a nightmare, especially when it was "skins and shirts" games.

And don't get me started about the horror of changing in a boy's locker room. Shudder. I NEVER showered after gym in High School. Yea, ick I know, but... run naked through a shower where all the boys would see me naked? NOT happening.

And when getting out of a pool, I'd always drape a towel around me ASAP to feel more comfortable.

And yet, of all the absurdities, I DIDN'T realize at the time it was the GID making me feel that way. Weird, huh? Oh for sure my GID was as clear and obvious from birth through adulthood, but for some reason I never realized the connection at the time. I just knew it was "wrong" and "inappropriate" for them to see me. I just figured I was shy and a prude, lol.

~ Katie Marie ~

In public, it's not legal for me to take off my shirt in most situations (although I've done it during a pride march when it was ).  At home however, I often go without a shirt, which is about the same as it was before transition.

As a kid I would run around the house without a shirt all time, family wouldn't let me outside like that though.   After puberty I was to embarrassed and shy to expose myself.   Changing in a locker room broake me a bit where I can do it, but I usually do it real quick and try to pretend no one else there.  Lately did change in front of friends.  But their reall good friends, like family and they know about the transgender part.  Still was uncomfortable, but saved time waiting for the restroom at least LOL.

Quote from: Kate on September 11, 2008, 01:21:34 PM
It always made me feel weird and "exposed" to take off my shirt, including as a young child. Gym class was a nightmare, especially when it was "skins and shirts" games.

And don't get me started about the horror of changing in a boy's locker room. Shudder. I NEVER showered after gym in High School. Yea, ick I know, but... run naked through a shower where all the boys would see me naked? NOT happening.

And when getting out of a pool, I'd always drape a towel around me ASAP to feel more comfortable.

And yet, of all the absurdities, I DIDN'T realize at the time it was the GID making me feel that way. Weird, huh? Oh for sure my GID was as clear and obvious from birth through adulthood, but for some reason I never realized the connection at the time. I just knew it was "wrong" and "inappropriate" for them to see me. I just figured I was shy and a prude, lol.

~ Katie Marie ~

I hated gym and did the same thing. No thanks, I would rather stink than shower with the guys.
(let's just say basic training sucked, and leave it at that)

I would not do that.

I don't even change my shirt with ANYBODY watching me.. I always shut and lock my door. I'm not even transitioning yet.