Susan's Place Transgender Resources

By Carlos Santoscoy
Published: September 28, 2008

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QuoteChristian fundamentalists are suggesting gays and lesbians are to blame for Wall Street's woes, a frequently made charge in the wake of national calamities.

In a September 25th blog post titled The Nation Will Right Itself If It Fixes Sex, Christian Civil League of Maine Executive Director Michael Heath writes that the financial crisis facing Wall Street is a symptom of America's sinful sexual culture, including the acceptance of gay unions.

"Our crisis is a symptom, not the cause," writes Michael Heath. "I am not saying I know whether this financial crisis is God's judgment or not. It is not for me to know that definitively."

Heath goes on to list policy changes that would make God "crack a smile," including: End abortion rights and defund non-profit groups supporting it, amend state constitutions to ban gay marriage and eliminate domestic partnerships and civil unions for gay and lesbian couples, and end discrimination against private religious schools and homeschools.

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Republic of Gilead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Gilead), anyone? =K

They are desperate are they not?

I'm not even gonna read it, Karen. The synopsis was more than enough to get the flavor. I don't want to get the taste in my mouth.

Nichole

I'm still trying to parse that god and crack remark.  I'm not sure what that meant.  Does it mean god likes crack?  Oh.  Iccky.

This is just the kind of ridiculous crap we need for GLBT critics to keep spewing.  They have never been more transparent in their googly eyed craziness.

By that logic, I guess Ike was God's particular judgment on me!

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 ::) What a bunch of idiots. The financial markets are in their present state due to greed and incompetence. It's like their just pulling things out of thin air.

By that logic, I guess Ike was God's particular judgment on me!


Of course it was, those other people were just in the way.

Michael Heath can burn in hell.  Actually, according to my philosophy, he already is.

so if we're responsible for the failed economy...here's a few questions....

who'd they blame for the stock market crash of 1829?
who'd they blame for the Great Depression?

and the BIG ONE:

WHY THE HELL ARE THEY ASKING THE GOVERNMENT TO FIX IT AND NOT US IF WE BROKE IT?


Warrior Princess Mickie =D

especially when their jerky principles demand that government not interfere with anything (except anti homo stuff).

Oh, can I play this game too?

Things that the gays have wrought:

- hurricanes
- 9/11
- the financial crisis
- global warming (even though it doesn't exist, right?)
- genocide in Darfur
- illegal immigration
- spiraling medical costs
- avian flu
- mass extinction
- teen pregnancy (not sure how it works, but it's the fault of the gays.)
- heartburn
- chilblains
- the nation of France
- the Iraq war
- the Soviet -- er, Russian invasion of Georgia
- Kim Jong Il
- Kim Jong Il's illness
- the Democrat party
- skunky beer
- Hollywood
- my brother-in-law

Those gays sure keep busy!

- Kim Jong Il's illness[/i

I'm missing the downside of this.


- skunky beer
and skunky weed too.  OK, that's a good thing.

Quote from: tekla on September 29, 2008, 01:31:12 PM
- skunky beer
and skunky weed too.  OK, that's a good thing.

:D.........ummmmm.....I mean, no comment.  ;)

What did you say?

Quote from: Karen on September 28, 2008, 11:23:14 PM

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Republic of Gilead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Gilead), anyone? =K

I guess that would make us unwomen then?  I'd opt to be a jezabel, but there's no way a playboy bunny outfit would fit me.  Both options are equally repugnant.

I really feel that we're living in the United States of American Lemmings...

-Sandy

That's kinda insulting to lemmings, they, at least, know where they are going.

now it's gays fault that the bailout didn't pass congress.

One time my dog ran head first into the wheel of a moving car. She wasn't hurt, but I think it was because of gay people.

I know that it was gay people who caused me to fail Algebra.

What, I passed Algebra?  Got an A?  OK, what did I fail that I can blame on gays?  Home Ec?  Nah, another A.  PE, I got a C in PE, that's the fault of the gays for sure.

Gays make everyone fail PE

Gays made me afraid to shower.  And since all you have to do to pass PE is 'show up and take a shower" I was SOL.

gays ate my hamster

gays wouldn't let me have sex with their sisters. Or was that just my lack of charisma?  No! it was gays!

You've got a whole robin hood of charisma, must have been the gays.

why, thank you. I have been told that I'm smart. I'm witty. I'm stupid. and I'm an idiot. But I've never been said to have charisma.    :-*

What these people ought to do is look in the mirror.

Gennee

:)

Quote from: Rebis on September 29, 2008, 03:25:46 PM

Gays make everyone fail PE

Yep!! It's all part of the agenda to make Americans fat and lazy. Mhuwhahahahaha!!!

Which is weird, because all the gay men I know live in the gym.  Perhaps they hope to beat us all up.

yeah, and take away our virginity.  Well, not mine.   ::)

Quote from: Rebis on September 30, 2008, 07:34:24 AM
yeah, and take away our virginity.  Well, not mine.   ::)

I'm still a virgin...

in my left ear... ;D :D >:-) >:-)

that was funny.

The gays actually have a globe-spanning conspiracy, don'cha know.  They took over from the Jews after anti-Semitism became taboo.  I'm sure that blacks are involved somewhere in this whole sordid plot to force little babies into gay sex rings.

Quote from: Kassandra on September 30, 2008, 09:46:04 AM

Quote from: Rebis on September 30, 2008, 07:34:24 AM
yeah, and take away our virginity.  Well, not mine.   ::)

I'm still a virgin...

in my left ear... ;D :D >:-) >:-)

:icon_evil_laugh:

Oy, the wacko that stated this lives in the neighboring state to me...  ::)

Well, I have to admit, that was fun, bringing down wall st... what shall we destroy next?  >:-) >:-) >:-)

Z

Well turn this around for a moment:  I actually have some friends who are in the construction business.  Before Ike they were hurting.  Now they have more business than they can handle.  Do we blame that on the gays, too?  If so, I know some big macho Bubbas who will be kissing gay guys soon.  That I can't wait to see.



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Quote from: Nichole on October 01, 2008, 10:55:09 PM

The Gay Agendum (get the grammar right) wants YOU, NOW!!!

OOOOooooohhhhh!!!!  Sign me up!!!! :icon_joy: :icon_joy:

-Sandy

idiots, idiots idiots don't these right-wing blowhards know it ain't are fault it's there's bunch of sad-arsed fools.

Quote from: gennee on September 29, 2008, 05:14:15 PM
What these people ought to do is look in the mirror.

Gennee

:)

Wouldn't do any good. All they would see is that they're "normal" and we're not.
(Normal = like everyone else, i.e. like me)

At the risk of invoking Godwin's law...

QuoteIn January 1933, after a bitter ten-year political struggle, Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany. During his rise to power, Hitler had repeatedly blamed the Jews for Germany's defeat in World War I and subsequent economic hardships. Hitler also put forward racial theories asserting that Germans with fair skin, blond hair and blue eyes were the supreme form of human, or master race. The Jews, according to Hitler, were the racial opposite, and were actively engaged in an international conspiracy to keep this master race from assuming its rightful position as rulers of the world.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/holocaust.htm (http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/holocaust.htm)

Let's be sure to scape goat gay people for the country's problems now, shall we? That way we can use them to rise back to power.

I recently discovered that a lot of the tension in the middle east is because hitler indoctrinated some palestinians and arabs to hate jews.  I mean hate them to the extent that it became a near unsolvable feud.  Apparently, they pretty much got along before hitler.

Hitler was a jerk.

Peter Gibbons: Doesn't it bother you that you have to get up in the morning and you have to put on a bunch of pieces of flair?
Joanna: Yeah, but I'm not about to go in and start taking money from the register.
Peter Gibbons: Well, maybe you should. You know, the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

Quote from: Rebis on December 14, 2008, 09:29:39 PM

I recently discovered that a lot of the tension in the middle east is because hitler indoctrinated some palestinians and arabs to hate jews.  I mean hate them to the extent that it became a near unsolvable feud.  Apparently, they pretty much got along before hitler.

Hitler was a jerk.

Actually, prior to the last 100 years Islamic nations were the most religiously tolerant.  Indeed, Persia had a policy of not intervening on matters of faith - it had a "state religion" (Islam) but it did not demand that any of its member states participate, and gave special protections to many alternate faiths (among them a form of Islamic Gnosticism that tought that Allah was a hateful god and Muhammed was his unwitting agent of sin).  When they honestly compare faiths, Jews and Muslims find that their only major difference lies Islam's recency (Islam mentions the virgin birth of Jesus in the Qu'ran, which is more recent than the Jewish holy texts).

This entire issue, though, doesn't surprise me.  They also stated that the WTC 9/11 attacks were God's judgement on the sinful, homosexually-tolerant ways of consumerist society.

prior to the last 100 years Islamic nations were the most religiously tolerant

Of course the Xians were doing the 100 Years War and Witchcraft Burnings, so being 'more' tolerant was not exactly a high bar.  In many, if not most areas, Islam has been a good influence on the places it existed in, but like all three of those Mideast Desert Religions, it has in it an edge, or a strain, that can be extremely fanatical and seems to thrive on violence. 

Quote from: Rebis on December 14, 2008, 09:29:39 PM

I recently discovered that a lot of the tension in the middle east is because hitler indoctrinated some palestinians and arabs to hate jews.  I mean hate them to the extent that it became a near unsolvable feud.  Apparently, they pretty much got along before hitler.

Hitler was a jerk.

Hmm.. source?

A source for the claims of indoctrination?  Or for Hitler being a jerk?  :P

I don't have any specifics, but I'm always hearing claims coming out of Iran & other places that Hitler had the right of it in dealing with the Jews.  Since Muslims & Jews got along much better prior or WWII, maybe there's some truth to the idea that Nazi anti-Semitism is to blame for the hatred there today.

Quote from: soldierjane on December 22, 2008, 01:57:23 PM

Quote from: Rebis on December 14, 2008, 09:29:39 PM

I recently discovered that a lot of the tension in the middle east is because hitler indoctrinated some palestinians and arabs to hate jews.  I mean hate them to the extent that it became a near unsolvable feud.  Apparently, they pretty much got along before hitler.

Hitler was a jerk.

Hmm.. source?

I read it about a month ago and I haven't been able to retrace the source, but there is mention of it here -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_antisemitism#Support_for_the_Third_Reich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_antisemitism#Support_for_the_Third_Reich)

QuoteSupport for the Third Reich

The first attempts at an Arab Nazi movement occurred in 1933, when a Jaffa correspondent of the Cairo newspaper Al-Ahram applied to the German council for help. Many of the Arabs were in full support of Nazi Germany, and believed that if Hitler won the war, the Arab cause would prosper. The influence of the Nazis in the Arab world continued to grow though the 1930s.[70] Nazi influenced political parties arose in the 1930s and 1940s, many of which played an important role in the leadership of the Arab world post-World War II. Egypt, Syria, and Iran are believed to have harbored Nazi war criminals, though they deny it.[71] Mein Kampf has been published and was 6th on the Palestinian best-seller list in 1999.[72]

this page has more info -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#Prior_to_1940-45 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#Prior_to_1940-45)

QuotePrior to 1940-45

Up until World War II, violence in Palestine was sporadic, and intensified in relation to increased Jewish immigration as part of the Zionist movement, which sought to create a Jewish state in the Land of Israel. At the time, it had an overwhelmingly Arab population, however some cities, most notably Jerusalem, had a Jewish majority (see also Demographics of Jerusalem).

Jews settled in what was then part of the Ottoman Empire, which includes the modern day Gaza Strip, Jordan, Israel, and West Bank. They bought land for farming.

After 1917 and the Balfour Declaration, Arabs became concerned at the British support and influx of Jews, whose policy was to buy land and immigrate to what was then the British Mandate of Palestine. Initial violence was small and localised, such matters as new land purchases, or synagogue locations. After the 1920 Palestine riots, the Jewish community (Yishuv) set up its own defence irregulars, Haganah, and intelligence operation. The aim at this time was to gain foreknowledge of future attacks and be able to protect the Yishuv against such attacks.

Violence escalated in 1929 after confrontations between Jews and Arabs over control of the Western Wall of the Temple Mount, the holiest site in Judaism and third holiest in Islam. After rumours that Arabs had been killed in one such confrontation, Arab riots broke out across Palestine. The worst affected localities were Hebron, where rioters killed 67 Jews, and Safed, where 18 Jews were killed and 80 wounded. A total of 133 Jews and 116 Arabs were killed during the unrest (the latter mostly by the British authorities).

The years 1930-1935 were marked by activities of the Black Hand Islamist militant organization led by Izz ad-Din al-Qassam who was killed by the British in 1935.

In 1936-1939, the Arabs - led by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini - launched the Great Arab Revolt, a campaign of violent riots and attack on Jews - which lead to hundreds of casualties and ended after the British officers deported Husseini and hanged many rioters. While mainstream Zionism, represented by Vaad Leumi and the Haganah, practised the policy of Havlagah (restraint), Irgun chose to retaliate, furthering chaos in the region.

Most of the modern troubles began around 1880 or so, and intensified as the 20th century had it's violent and incomprehensible run. The ugliest of the antisemitism appeared around the same time as hitler.  Some Arabs actually went to him to learn tricks of the trade and to gain Germany's support.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict)


and, thusly, Hitler was a jerk.

Most of the modern troubles

Which of course implies that there were troubles before that, hence, not a modern problem at all, but hey, thanks for playing our game all of you.  This stuff goes back a long, long, long way - in nation's where history is something more than trivia questions to answer on some game show.  It's been there for a long, long time, and it runs very, very deep.

Quote from: Rebis on December 22, 2008, 05:24:47 PM

and, thusly, Hitler was a jerk.

I don't think there's disagreement there, but honestly I think it runs deeper than a political play by Nazis. The Jew-hating portions of islamic society made common cause with the Nazis only because they also hated Jews and the British colonizing authority; as in the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
No doubt Hitler was an ass but to charge him with sparking the modern Arab-Israeli conflict... mmm no.

It gets more complex when you add in Benjamine Disraeli and the British occupation of Palistine, but none of that distracts from Hitler being a jerk.

What it really says is that Goodwin was right, and Godwin's Law is in fine form on this forum.

What it really says is that anyone who promotes hate in the support of their political agenda is a jerk.

We did not exactly win that war by tossing love bombs at the Nazis.  The early Republicans promoted hatred of slavery, as well as slaveholders.  I don't think its as cut and dry as you seem to wish it to be.

In deference to the late Majel Rodenberry...

[COMPUTER VOICE] WARNING: Severe thread drift!  WARNING: Severe thread drift!!

-Sandy

Well, its was the my invisible pal who runs the universe people, who are having a real hard time accepting that at its base level, capitalism is little more than theft.

Quote from: tekla on December 23, 2008, 11:36:53 AM
Well, its was the my invisible pal who runs the universe people, who are having a real hard time accepting that at its base level, capitalism is little more than theft.

Gah! Pinko alert!

I'm far too far to the hard left to ever be just a pinko.

Quote from: soldierjane on December 23, 2008, 08:39:00 AM

Quote from: Rebis on December 22, 2008, 05:24:47 PM

and, thusly, Hitler was a jerk.

I don't think there's disagreement there, but honestly I think it runs deeper than a political play by Nazis. The Jew-hating portions of islamic society made common cause with the Nazis only because they also hated Jews and the British colonizing authority; as in the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
No doubt Hitler was an ass but to charge him with sparking the modern Arab-Israeli conflict... mmm no.

Oh, I don't mean that he sparked it, but that he (his regime) had some influence in it.

Quote from: Emme on December 23, 2008, 11:33:03 AM
Yes, according to earlier thread posts, this is all the gays' fault.  Everyone, back to blaming!   ::)

and Hitler would agree because he was a jerk.

Quote from: tekla on December 23, 2008, 11:14:47 AM
What it really says is that Goodwin was right, and Godwin's Law is in fine form on this forum.

I wasn't comparing warren to hitler (or NAZIs).  I was just trying to share what I read about Hitler having at least some connection to antisemitism in the middle east.  Somehow the subject came up.

Warren is just some guy with a different opinion than me.

Quote from: tekla on December 23, 2008, 11:43:58 AM
I'm far too far to the hard left to ever be just a pinko.

I'm with the pinko.  Except I never thought of the theft analogy before (if that was an analogy)

Oh yeah?  Well... not-capitalism is theft!  So there!

No, I thought it was a pretty much flat out statement of fact given recent events.

Unless you've been paying a lot of attention, and really paying a LOT of lotta attention, tracking the numbers, adding them up and all, then you more than likely have no idea how bad things really are.  No worries, everybody gonna find out come January, and March looks to be a very, very bad month.

Really, I'd stock up some rice and beans.  Not kidding.

Quote from: tekla on December 23, 2008, 02:50:32 PM
No, I thought it was a pretty much flat out statement of fact given recent events.

Unless you've been paying a lot of attention, and really paying a LOT of lotta attention, tracking the numbers, adding them up and all, then you more than likely have no idea how bad things really are.  No worries, everybody gonna find out come January, and March looks to be a very, very bad month.

Really, I'd stock up some rice and beans.  Not kidding.

Oh, I know how serious it's going to get.  I've been telling people IRL for months that's we're fast approaching the Greater Depression.  There's no amount of funny money gonna' float this boat.

Anyway, if we define "capitalism" as the policies that brought us to this point, then capitalism is theft, as you said.  *mourns the passing of a perfectly good word*

Quote from: tekla on December 23, 2008, 02:50:32 PM
No, I thought it was a pretty much flat out statement of fact given recent events.

Unless you've been paying a lot of attention, and really paying a LOT of lotta attention, tracking the numbers, adding them up and all, then you more than likely have no idea how bad things really are.  No worries, everybody gonna find out come January, and March looks to be a very, very bad month.

Really, I'd stock up some rice and beans.  Not kidding.

Hey, it's all right. I love rice and beans!  ;D

Quote from: soldierjane on December 23, 2008, 03:05:28 PM
Hey, it's all right. I love rice and beans!  ;D

Do we get moonshine too?

If you can make it, you can have it.

If you're stocking up on rice, you might as well make saki.

At any rate, you gotta hate all them transgenders and androgynes and cross-dresser types and them jacking the threads of good, decent, hard-working Americans.   :P

(Sorry, that was in relation to a prior joke about blaming gays.)