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So, big question I've been struggling with.  Men's or womens?   I pass maybe 60-70% I think, but not sure as there is not always indication of whether pass or not.

I get odd looks in the woman's restroom but nothing serious yet, except I'm to point I'm not sure I should be in the womens.  I want to go to mens but am afraid of being clocked there.  There's also part that some places there are people who know who I am, like the Giant Eagle I get my meds from or a bar where I've shown my ID.

I find myself conflicted to point that I do something even more odd and find myself standing in between both men's and womens which just drags more attention to self.

I usually end up going in womens but it gives me away to those who take me as male.  Same time people who know me as female will wonder if I am going into mens.  I don't always have the option of a gender neutral bathroom unfortunately. 

Any suggestions?

Depends where you're at and who you're with. I'd say judge the situation based on that instead of making a blanket rule for yourself.

Thats been one of my toughest too...it really emphazises the "which am I"...
I have been going into the ladies room more and more and am finding there is no real issue. I can thank a girlfriend of mine pushing me to go in with her. Nothing happened at all. I always figure too, if anyone says anything, I can just smile and play dumb...
I think it will get easier but I definitely know how you feel...
I DO LOVE the unisex bathrooms though ;-)

xoxo
Christine

I've pretended to be disoriented a few times LOL  But still it's something I struggle with

Early in transition I just used the ladies' room, figuring I didn't pass.  The weeks just pre-T I went to the South, and used the ladies' room and got a bunch of odd looks.  Apparently the butch lesbian population isn't as high as it is in the northeast, so I raised a few eyebrows (I'm not a butch lesbian, but most people pegged me as one with my short hair and masculine clothes).

I went away a few weeks back and decided I was male and started using the men's rooms.  I have no idea if I raised any eyebrows, I didn't look at anyone, got in, got out, even coming right up to guys at the sink.  I was in ignore mode.

Now I have my male ID so if anyone hassles me I can at least prove I'm male, plus I've been on T 2.5 months and have seen some minor changes, but I'm passing at least 50:50 here in the northeast now.

Like the others said; use your best judgment depending on where you are.  Or just decide to use the men's if that's what you want, and then use it like you belong there.  Because you DO.

Jay

When I was in college (a LONG time ago) I was pretty androgynous and couldn't pass in either if I was dressed neutral so I became an authority on where all the non-gender-specific washrooms were! If I was dressed femme, the women's room worked but I couldn't use the men's no matter how I was dressed. Washrooms were a REAL problem.

Lol yeh it's going south I just did for a bit as well. visited family in south carolina.  about point I started feeling more comfoertable with myself but less comfortable using womens.  Not that was comfortable using womens before, since started RLE I would rush in do buisness and rush out hoping not to be there long enough to drag to much attention lol

Aiden, the one good thing you have going for you is that if some one clocks you in a Mens restroom, the most you will usually get is grumblling, or "excuse me Ma'am, you are in the wrong restroom" For some one presenting there androgynous I doubt seriously if you will get any comments.

The reverse is true I believe in a Female restroom as all it takes is one Mother of a young girl or a woman to voice her concern that there is a man in there and you can be reasonably sure either mangement or store security will be asking you questions.

I think my cue came when androgynous, a little boy ask his Dad why a lady was in there and the Dad really didnt respond other than to tell his boy to hurry up. I started dressing more enfemme, wearing light makeup and using the Female restrooms after that. That and looking for out of the way restrooms when androgynous. And for sure it is a major undertaking to switch.

Wendy

Hmmmmmmmmmmm never had any problems using the ladies room and I didn't realy pass that well facially in early transition. But then I am short, inconspicuos, who realy doesn't get noticed and I have the ability to be invisible in a crowd of people If I so desire. Now I have people staring at me all the time and I know I ain't no beauty queen, I just attribute it to my upbeat attitude, If I realy wanted to I probably could make a lamp post smile.  ;D

Christine I believe that with that mischievous smile of yours you probably would make a good candidate. How can any one feel nervous or dislike such a disarming smile?  :D

Cindy

This is has got to be the one shared topic that is almost the same for M->F and F->M.

I always try to find the unisex bathroom, and I keep a list of them for the places I go to or have been at....even if I'm out on the town, I always watch for them, for future reference. 

Although it seems that the bathroom passing issue tends to be mostly in our head, it only takes one bad incident or a few "weird" looks or comments, before you are totally second guessing which one to use.

The one thing that you have going for you Aiden is that men generally try to get in, get out, and not talk/look around too much when they are in a public restroom; so at least you have that going for you. Men usually don't hang out, wait for their buddies, or talk in the restroom; however, if you find that they are, this is when they will likely make a comment or worse.  Conseqently, I would use that as a warning sign to keep my guard up.

Personally, in a two day span a couple of months ago, I had comments made to me in the mens room and the womens room(and I was presenting in the appropriate gender mode for each of the restrooms I was in), so it can be really hard at times. Unfortunately, that experience has driven me to not be comfortable in either restroom.  However, I'm sure like anything in life, that practice will make it easier, and less "scary".

I used unisex bathrooms or only went at home for the most part when I was in an androgynous state.  If I had to use the men's room, it became very uncomfortable and I did the hurry up thing like you do and hoped nobody noticed.  As far as I know, I completely avoided the awkward situations. ;D

Yeh well I have to go to often to just use one at home or be lucky and find one that is unisex lol

But going try get more comfortable in mens.  I'm little uncomfortable sitting to pee in men's though.  Hope can get a better stp device soon.  Unfortunantly the gear guy for the FTM site and products is ill.  So am on hold.

Edit:  He just got back to me so hopefully soon.

Restrooms are always a major issue. I use the mens now, and like Jay said I ust walk in and act like I belong. I remember a few years ago, I was using the ladies and a chick walked in, saw me and blushed "Sorry I thought this was the Ladies," and then walked straight back out. LOL. It was highly embrassing.

Unisex toliets would save all our bathroom issues

Quote from: Aiden on October 14, 2008, 05:52:02 PM
..........But going try get more comfortable in mens.  I'm little uncomfortable sitting to pee in men's though.........

Trust me, I've sat to pee in the men's restroom for years.....that's nothing to worry about.....men in general are just not that observant......however, if you were really worried about it....take in the sports section of the newspaper with you and nobody will ever think it is odd....well...almost always.....probably wouldn't go so well at a concert or a sporting event but it will work well in a good many situations.

Quote from: Tina B. on October 14, 2008, 09:41:00 PM
however, if you were really worried about it....take in the sports section of the newspaper with you and nobody will ever think it is odd

LOL...I've never seen that when I used to go in the men's restroom. But I agree, it probably wouldn't have gotten any looks since men aren't really attentive like they are in women's restrooms. That's actually one of the things that's been interesting getting used to: going into the restroom and having all this chit chat going on, when before it was get in, do you're thing, get out. It's like talking is forbidden in men's restrooms, lol.

As far as which one to use, I agree with Wendy that being perceived as a girl in the guy's restroom would not garner much reaction like being perceived as a guy being in a girl's restroom. I say just use the men's unless someone says something. The worst that will probably happen is someone pointing out that this is the men's room.

Sarah

If a guy can feel more comfortable sitting to pee why can't a transguy feel more comfortable standing to pee in a men's room?  Gets annoying after a while when you keep telling us that not all men stand to pee or that men don't care if we sit to pee.  If bioguys have a choice then so should we.

Just because it's not neccessary for us to stand and pee doesn;t mean we wouldn't feel more comfortable doing so.

I use male toliets now depending on who I am with however I have never had any funny looks from men in the toliets, I just ignore everyone when I walk in there. Once I had "I thought he was a female".. with a reply from the friends mate "How much drink have you had??" ;D Other than that this is nothing I have had. The last time I went into the females toliets I got told to get out and if I go in them now I have to be very careful. I went in with my friend once and the woman walked in and said sorry I thought this was the ladies.. and I said "yes it is Im waiting for a friend" They thought it was funny..

If there is ever a disabled toliet about though I tend to use that instead.

It is Bathroom etiquette for men that are strangers to avoid all contact to include eye contact if at all possible. I make an exception for the Bubba types and drunks. I should google the  bathroom etiquette thing.  :laugh: On another note, it it well known that women make a phshhhhhing sound when they pee, men dont. I would advise you guys to try to avoid that. And if you can teach it to me I would be grateful also. Hugs

Wendy

QuoteOn another note, it it well known that women make a phshhhhhing sound when they pee, men dont.

Yes, but do men really pay that much attention when they're in the restroom? 

QuoteAnd if you can teach it to me I would be grateful also.

.  The only suggestion I would have would be (assuming you're pre-op) would be to sit and aim at the porcelain rather than the water, if it's possible to do when sitting (as I have no idea since I'm equipment-impaired  ::) ).

Though to be honest I don't think I ever paid any attention to pee sounds when in public restrooms before.  In fact, I noticed, but never really paid attention to the differences in sounds before someone pointed it out (on a trans site).  Most women are likely too busy yakking or fussing with their toddlers to pay any mind.

Jay

Quote from: Aiden on October 14, 2008, 11:53:59 PM
If a guy can feel more comfortable sitting to pee why can't a transguy feel more comfortable standing to pee in a men's room?  Gets annoying after a while when you keep telling us that not all men stand to pee or that men don't care if we sit to pee.  If bioguys have a choice then so should we.

Just because it's not neccessary for us to stand and pee doesn;t mean we wouldn't feel more comfortable doing so.

I don't think anyone is saying that you shouldn't. You have the right to choose however you want to go.  It is important for you to feel comfortable however you want to go.  I'm sorry if you misinterpreted my prior response to represent anything other than that. I hope that things get easier for you.

Well wasn't just your response, it's that almost every time one of us guys talks about getting a stp someone mentions that not all guys stand and pee.  Really is annoying and after several times it comes off as if they expect us to just do that no matter what we more comfortable with.

All's I can say for myself is that the last five years before I began full time transitioning, I didn't even have any definite plan to transition yet, just playing around with the idea. I was already training myself to sit on the john in the men's room to pee, I never stood at the urinals after that to pee. I even began to train how to walk in a more feminine walk on the streets down town, also learning to curve my back. I also began to train my voice when at home. The thing is I peed sitting down in a cubicle in the men's room for those five years and no one bothered or noticed the difference.

Cindy

Aiden I feel ya on everything you've said bro.

I'm having quite a difficult time with this bathroom dilemma myself. Here at school I'm still a "girl" but I get the odd looks and hushed whispers when I step into a women's room. Then I present as male somewhere (like a club meeting) and I get nervous about which bathroom to use, then cower and dive into the women's room, do my business and rush out, hoping no one saw me. If I ever visited my dad at work here on campus, I'd get freaked about which bathroom to use cause most of the people in his department are men and they all know me as his "daughter." So I'd be kinda screwed if I ran into one of them in the bathroom.

At work (library) I used to pace back and forth between the two restrooms before a couple of times, I dove into the men's room and no one was in there :D Thankfully I work in the stacks...And so far the stacks are the ONLY place on the entire campus I've ever found a unisex bathroom. There's nowhere else here.....

So I definitely use men's rooms when out in public places (malls, restaurants) with my friends. I never get any weird looks as far as I know, because like Jay said I go into ignore mode. Here at univ though it's still confusing for me.... Maybe I'll just take Jay's inspiring advice and use the bathroom that is rightfully mine!


Also, on the note of STPs....that is EXACTLY why I got one. I got so irritated when my biomale friend said "but I sit to pee all the time." WELL GOOD FOR YOU I never had the choice. Now that I do, I'm going to use it all I want. Using my STP makes me extremely happy, sitting to pee just irritates the living hell out of me. Psychological? Maybe. I don't care. Do what you do bro.

QuoteUsing my STP makes me extremely happy, sitting to pee just irritates the living hell out of me. Psychological? Maybe. I don't care. Do what you do bro.

Me, too.  The next time I'm out in public I'm using the urinal.  It's something that I want to do, I've practiced at home and have it down.  When I was in Arizona using the men's room exclusively, I didn't bring my stp because I thought just using the men's room would be enough.  It was not.

At home I use my stp daily; I use it at work but we have single stall unisex bathrooms.  I want to use a urinal.


Jay

Quote from: trapthavok on October 16, 2008, 01:11:12 AMAlso, on the note of STPs....that is EXACTLY why I got one. I got so irritated when my biomale friend said "but I sit to pee all the time." WELL GOOD FOR YOU I never had the choice. Now that I do, I'm going to use it all I want. Using my STP makes me extremely happy, sitting to pee just irritates the living hell out of me. Psychological? Maybe. I don't care. Do what you do bro.

I understand ya.  That's analogous to the MTFs wearing pants vs. skirts.  We never had that option growing up, so even though many women wear pants most of the time, when I first went fulltime I wore a lot of skirts because of the deprivation of choice.  Now I wear pants most of the time, just because it's easier and I don't need to worry about shaving my legs.  Perhaps after a FTM uses a STP (stand to pee?) enough, they may go back to sitting just because it's easier.

Quote from: Melissa on October 16, 2008, 10:51:46 AM
Perhaps after a FTM uses a STP (stand to pee?) enough, they may go back to sitting just because it's easier.

Possibly.  When I first got my stp I used it 24/7 for quite a while.  But it didn't work at 'that time' which I was still having (no more though!! YAY!!)  Anyway, I went back to sitting for several months until that issue was cleared up.  Now I'm back to the stp daily.  In the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter, but the feeling I get from standing to pee is incredible.  Ego boost.  Can't explain it.  Maybe the same boost you ladies get from putting on makeup making you feel pretty and sexy.  When I stand I feel like a man. 


Jay

Quote from: sneakersjay on October 16, 2008, 10:58:07 AMMaybe the same boost you ladies get from putting on makeup making you feel pretty and sexy.

That's actually something I don't do often anymore.  Eyeliner is about it now, but I think that goes back to being lazy.  Either that or having no energy from the epilepsy. :P  I do love having the option of not having to wear makeup though. ;D

<giggle>  i used to tell people there was a city ordinance requiring pennyjane to wear makeup whenever she left the house.....something about frightening little children.  that ordiance is no longer enforced, i only wear makeup when i'm dressing for something in particular.

i remember very early into my transition being very self-conscious in the ladies' room...i worried that i might make some kind of "give away" sound when the pee hit the fan.  i can't call myself an expert on pee sounds, but when i listened...i couldn't tell the difference between me and the gg's.  truth is....i think i sound pretty much to same now.

i think going with the situation is really the best policy...since the day of my transition, when i began presenting enfemme, i've always used the ladies' rooms.  i would never want to be seen in the men's rooms dressed as i do.....just asking for problems if you ask me.

Yep same with me, when I was dressed the part I used the ladies powder room. I never had any problems with any one paying me any attention possibly mostly because of my size and height being even smaller then many women made me inconspicuous. I only use makeup during the early part of my transitioning into full time because I realy had no choice, was the only way I could cover up that ugly five o'clock shadow and even after trawling on the stuff one could still see the darker part of my face where the five o'clock shadow was, uuuuuuugh. Glad that over and I haven't used any make up since. I would still love to use the eye shadow and mascara but I'm afraid my hand is way to shaky.

Cindy 

Quote from: sneakersjay on October 15, 2008, 02:18:23 PM
Though to be honest I don't think I ever paid any attention to pee sounds when in public restrooms before.  In fact, I noticed, but never really paid attention to the differences in sounds before someone pointed it out (on a trans site).  Most women are likely too busy yakking or fussing with their toddlers to pay any mind.

Lol... I noticed it!

An anatomical guy who is sitting and peeing can direct the urine stream against the side of the porcelain and not make any noise; but women can't, really, based on their anatomy. I realized a few weeks ago that when I use the bathroom, I needed to make sure I make noise. :)

I was terrified the first time I went out and used a woman's public bathroom. I've been fortunate enought to blend pretty well. Usually size is what gets me a second glance, if a woman has to brush by me... but that still got triggered the few times it did mostly because I was anxious and had fear in my eyes. Usually I just go in, do my thing, try not to stand around too long for people to look at me. If I have an open sink, I'll brush hair or do my lips quick; it's usually when I'm standing around idle waiting for something that I feel most conspicuous. But at this point it's the internal anxiety that probably would most get me in trouble. That seems to be what it always is, the internal insecurities. I think I haven't had any problems in the last few months, and it's because (1) confidence level is up and (2) my electrolysis has really cleaned off my face.

I'd play things by ear, if you're not sure. Sure, the unisex bathroom is the easiest bet if you can get one. Like Pennyjane said, too, it's sometimes more a matter of, "which bathroom will be MORE volatile to use?" I mean, you might not be perfectly ready for the one, but if you go in the men's room (for you transwomen) are you going to cause even MORE of a stir?

I have always used to women's restroom when I'm infem. I still get nervous but I haven't had a bad experience in many years. The worst is trying to get feel for how safe I might be when I need to go pee right now. I have decided that i'm better off in the women's restroom than in the men's wearing a skirt. That as always seemed very unsafe to me.

A few years ago I met a girl that liked my dressing up. Her husband didn't care so went out dressed up several times a month. While at a nice restraunt Ann asked me to go to the bathroom with her. I was more nervous doing that than any time on my own. WE sat in a stall next to each other and talked while we pee'd. What really caught me off guard was how load her pee was! I always expected a quiet girly tinkle I guess? I now try to point towards the water to sound to blend in. It sucks we have to feel so nervous and scared about a basic human fuction!!! People have no idea how many things we deal with.

I've used men's one person bathrooms or ones where no one else in them.  But recently I used one that had 3 men in it.  i used a stall and I was scarred sensless.  I basicaly did my buisness and hurried out.  Thing is the silence in there was eeiry(sp) I wasn't used to being in a restroom with other people who were silent and wondered if they knew I was physically female.

Quote from: Aiden on November 18, 2008, 12:11:05 AM
I've used men's one person bathrooms or ones where no one else in them.  But recently I used one that had 3 men in it.  i used a stall and I was scarred sensless.  I basicaly did my buisness and hurried out.  Thing is the silence in there was eeiry(sp) I wasn't used to being in a restroom with other people who were silent and wondered if they knew I was physically female.

I used a urinal today.  Doesn't quite count; as it was at my therapist's office and you can only access the bathroom with a key.  Two stalls, one urinal.  Unlikely at that hour to have any other users.  But allowed me to get familiar with the urinal.  Next time public use!!


Jay

Unisex and non-gender specific bathrooms - Yeaaaaaah!!

If none of them are available and I'm forced to use a men's loo (I'll never pass as a woman) I rush in, take a cubicle and only get out to wash my hands when the bathroom is empty.

Using men's bathrooms is one of the things I hate most about be a bio-bloke.

They're usually smelly, dirty and I can't stand standing at a urinal when there's other guys in the bathroom (I nearly always sit down these days).

Another thing that cheeses me off are guys who break the unwritten codes, which is you don't talk to someone while they are peeing and you don't take the urinal next to someone if there are other urinals available.

My biggest hate about men's bathrooms is that nearly all men DON'T wash their hands after taking a wiz.

Sorry about the rant.

Oh!! One more thing, it is impossible for me to pee if I can hear someone whistling.

I use the men's.
I pass... depending on the situation. I pass if a person knows my name. I never pass on the bus... people always call me a girl. I pass at school, I pass in most public places. I use the men's and usually that's enough to give someone the hint. I look like a young boy... my features are feminine enough that everyone assumes I'm gay (feminine =/= gay... but whatever).

I think going in the men's room helps me pass better. It gives me a little bit of a "male reputation."

I've never had trouble in the men's room. I even went in a skirt one time (I was in drag, it was 6 days before Halloween and I was at a Halloween party).

QuoteAiden, the one good thing you have going for you is that if some one clocks you in a Mens restroom, the most you will usually get is grumblling, or "excuse me Ma'am, you are in the wrong restroom" For some one presenting there androgynous I doubt seriously if you will get any comments.

The reverse is true I believe in a Female restroom as all it takes is one Mother of a young girl or a woman to voice her concern that there is a man in there and you can be reasonably sure either mangement or store security will be asking you questions.

This is a very good point although it does depend on where you live.  There have been hate crimes committed against both MTFs and FTMs in public restrooms.  If you live in a very redneck area and you don't pass 100% as a guy I wouldn't really recommend using the guys restroom.

It's fine for me I live in a very cosmopolitan area although I have been challenged before with stuff like "did you know that's the mens" or "the ladies bathroom is over there" which can get annoying.

One time I actually had an usherette at a theatre run after me as I went into the mens hollering "no, no,no you can't go in there!" with something akin to horror stricken panic in her voice LMAO.......I just carried right on doin my business ;D

It's usually petty, small minded people who maybe have boring jobs and nothing better to do than to try and interfere in other peoples lives that have challenged me, I've never encountered any prejudice from the general public when I have been using the mens room but I do tend to just go in do my thing and then come straight out.
After washing my hands like a good boy of course... :laugh:

Quote from: Tina B. on October 14, 2008, 05:27:08 PM
This is has got to be the one shared topic that is almost the same for M->F and F->M.

I always try to find the unisex bathroom, and I keep a list of them for the places I go to or have been at....even if I'm out on the town, I always watch for them, for future reference. 

Although it seems that the bathroom passing issue tends to be mostly in our head, it only takes one bad incident or a few "weird" looks or comments, before you are totally second guessing which one to use.

I must agree with Tina B here,

When I have to use the restroom, I simply don't go to the men's nor women's restroom. I must use the unisex, if one's available.

Other times, since a majority of the townspeople know me as a woman, I usually use the women's restroom (and hope there's no one else in there.)

I did get caught at one point, and after that--never went to that store's restroom again. But I belive that will change when I have legally changed genders.

Quote from: Goldy on November 18, 2008, 01:37:37 AM
Using men's bathrooms is one of the things I hate most about be a bio-bloke.

The last time I used the men's room was the summer of 2003. After that I stopped using the urinal, and always sit to urinate.

This was one of the first things I wondered about, since I am nothing if not practical. Two reasons: my boobs are still a little too obvious, no matter how masculine my clothing, and the issue with tampon changing since it will probably be a while before I can start testosterone. I'm thinking that might limit me to the women's bathrooms, at least for now. Argh, it's so annoying and inconvenient to be female.

Never had a problem or a funny look.

Well so far I either use gender neutral, wait till get home, or use womens.  Though soon I may be passing well enough that using womens may not be plausable.   I also have the issue with the moobs being large enough to notice, the fact am a bit heavy helps hide it though would like to be able to loose weight.

My boobs aren't so much big as they are "full-figured", and I don't have any extra weight to help hide them. By American standards, I'm on the small side even for a woman. I have a feeling I'm going to end up being a very fey looking boy. :laugh:
I can't wait to get one of those stp things, though. I remember being so jealous of my boy cousins and their ability to pee standing up. I remember actually asking my mother, while pointing at my clitoris, if I would ever grow a penis (I think I was about four) and got a resounding NO. Freud may be a crackpot in a lot of respects, but penis envy does exist!  ::)

Quote from: benji42 on February 19, 2009, 10:51:39 AM
My boobs aren't so much big as they are "full-figured", and I don't have any extra weight to help hide them. By American standards, I'm on the small side even for a woman. I have a feeling I'm going to end up being a very fey looking boy. :laugh:
I can't wait to get one of those stp things, though. I remember being so jealous of my boy cousins and their ability to pee standing up. I remember actually asking my mother, while pointing at my clitoris, if I would ever grow a penis (I think I was about four) and got a resounding NO. Freud may be a crackpot in a lot of respects, but penis envy does exist!  ::)

Yeah... among men! :P

I've been using the women's room exclusively for years, but about a year ago I went to an event at the De Young Museum that was a celebration of the costumes of drag performer Peaches Christ.  Peaches herself was there along with a number of other drag performers in costume.  It was a big event and the number of bathrooms limited.  There was of course, a line coming out of the Ladie's luu.  I really had to go so I decided to use the men's instead!

  First, I don't look draggish at all and pass most of the time.  I'd come straight from work and was wear office attire.  Some male heads turned when I walked in but I just walked over to a urinal, did my business and left.  I walked out just as a security guard was passing by.

"Girl, just what are you doing in the men's room?"  I told her I was one of the drag performers.  She gave me a once over , shook her head and said "Whatever" as she walked away.

ROFL.. I like that story.   ;D

I've been using urinals in the men's room exclusively for the last 2+ months.  Usually they're smaller rooms with one urinal and one stall, and mostly unoccupied, though I have used the urinal in larger bathrooms with a few other occupants.

Well, I traveled this week.  My first stop at the urinal in a crowded airport turned into stage fright -- couldn't go!!  So I just packed my junk and left.  Then yesterday, and a hugely crowded airport I had to go really bad.  And the urinals had NO DIVIDERS like all of the others I had been in previously.  But I managed to get my business done at the urinal when every other urinal was occupied.

;D

I know some guys don't need to do the urinal thing, and others don't need to stand.  For me I *have* to.  It's a mental thing.

Jay

i always use female bath when in public kind of embarrassing to use male..lol

to ftm:
Men don't care nor want to know anything about other peoples toilet habits.

Don't worry about not using the urinals. People would assume you are taking a dump. I have often heard people hitting the water with their stream before they point it on the porcelaine.

Please no need for such stress

Thanks Mmm. I always use stall and can't be bothered to hide. Got the bits I got and I have enough accessories just being me (cell phone etc). I sometimes wonder if guys are paying attention. I appreciate the reminder that they're not and they just wanna get out of there as badly as I do.

Dennis

I may have posted this before,
In South Australia the police have told the MtF to use the female toilet and be "discreet". In Australian lingo I think they meant. " Don't walk in take out the donga, light the ciggie, and say J***s I needed a good piss" Probably the opposite for FtM's?  Enjoy!!

Cindy James

Wow, things have changed so much since I last posted on this thread last Oct. I no longer even think about which restroom to use. It has that little picture of a stick figure in a dress. I have learned to be comfortable with myself as a female and with the Drivers Lic stating that I no longer fear any questions. It has been a long time since I was given a funny glance, now its usually a smile. Whew, much relieved and thats no pun. Hugs

Wendy

Quote from: CindyJames on February 24, 2009, 02:49:36 AM
I may have posted this before,
In South Australia the police have told the MtF to use the female toilet and be "discreet". In Australian lingo I think they meant. " Don't walk in take out the donga, light the ciggie, and say J***s I needed a good piss" Probably the opposite for FtM's?  Enjoy!!

Cindy James

Yeah, asking the guy in the next stall if he has a tampon, and asking the guy at the sink if these pants make your ass look big are definitely no-no's ;)

Dennis