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I have many times while being in the internet read the word ''New World Order''. It has remain somewhat unclear for me. Is is only a myth created by conspiracy theorist or are there more. What do you people  think? ???

Doesn't seem like much of an order these days does it?

It's a myth inspired by certain aspects of reality.    :)

I wish I had a better answer, but I'm in the dark on this one too.

The new world order is that International Corporations have control. Most nations and the World bank put all their faith in capital.

That certainly sounds kind of true.

One acronym...PNAC (Project for a New America Century)

http://newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf (http://newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf)

I don't think it is a myth completely...not for everyone anyway. Wanting the world is one thing, getting it is another.
I've been trying to take over the world for years, but it's taking a lot longer than I expected ;-)

Everybody Wants to Rule the World.

Yeah, and lots of them try to also.  Do rich people with common interests get together and try to think through what's good for them?  Do bears ->-bleeped-<- in the woods?  And call them what you will: Masons, Skull 'n Bones, Illuminati, Bohemian Grove, Bildebergers, the Rothchilds, the CFR, The Trilateral Commission, G8, GATT, PNAC,

And I know one of them.  Bohemian Grove is not that far away from me.  Do they come there.  Yes.  They never denied it.  Never published the full list either.  Do that have that wild and brazen time drinking, screwing very high class working girls and getting to pee on the tree?  Sure.  Do they not ever, ever talk money?  Hard to believe, if only to set up meetings and connections on the outside.

But, is it a conspiracy?  I've always maintained that its not a conspiracy when the people running it are on the front page of the paper all the time talking about what they are doing.  Hell, PNAC published that stuff itself on the web.  Hardly a big secret.  Hell, double hell, they all signed it.  Its like a who's who of the neocons.

But, you'd have to really believe in the Dark Side to think all of this was some sort of grand plan to enslave the world and bring on one world government (Which is not necessarily a bad thing, like all governments it could be anything from real great to total suck.) and declare martial law in the US, suspend the elections, and put some sort of coup in place, wow.

I just don't think that anything is that far along yet.  Yet.  I don't think that the officer class in the US, which as never been tested in this, as other officer corps often were, is ready to go along.  You have to have the military or else its a joke.  It's not there yet.  But, you can see it from here, which is scary.

Whoa, there, I thought we were talking about '80's pop music!

What I think is that PNAC is the only real danger of those names. Other mean a very little to world domination. But Operation Garden Plot is ready to work anytime. Huge population control project that will detain millions (Yes, most in Alaska), suspend elections, repeal the constitution and bring the martial law. Does it happen? Maybe, if the supporters of PNAC finally take power to themselves and do not use some other politicians to drive their agenda.

Posted on: October 11, 2008, 12:26:30 am

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Rumor says that there is a huge facility in Alaska that can detain 2 milllion people for population control. It is located near Fairbanks. There are also two other facilities in Alaska that can detain 1 million more.

well that leaves 298 million people for them to deal with....

298 million Americans = 600million+ guns.  I don't see it happening, not unless things get a lot worse, and they can.

Oh baby, once you start with the Illuminati and David Icke... then we get onto the shapeshifting lizards and intergalactic masters... you have no idea just how bizarre you can go with regard to new world orders.

If you want something to get your teeth into... have a look here:

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Illuminati.htm (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Illuminati.htm)

Make of that what you will.

don't worry about it.  If you don't talk back when asked to lick their boots, you'll be A-Okay.   :P

I personally do not worry about the New World Order/ Operation Garden Plot. We have here other problems. But perhaps GLBT-people are going to be taken in population control project and detained.

But Í think that currently it is a somewhat unlikely scenario to happen.  ???

It is unlikely.

Nations through out the world have very little control over international companies. Theses companies have one goal in mind and that is to make money. They do not care for the welfare of people. Time and time again they invade an area take it riches like water, oil, and other resources including the labor of people. Once an area is played out the leave behind a big mess for someone else to clean up. They have no morals or ethics as it is not in their goals. There is not a world policeman to catch and punish the guilty. No one country is as powerful as even they fleece the world economy and the world bank and nations act as their slaves.

The solution is to develop a world constitution and have representatives from all countries work together. It would require world taxation and compromises of power as well as a international police. Most likely a huge redistribution of wealth. Soon after people would realize that the world resources and ecology are threatened by over population.

Wouldn't it be easier for nations to hold criminal eco-raping corporations to task by requiring clean up and/or the paying of the cleanup? Eco-raping should be seen as an act of war. If a corporation doesn't pay up - they have their buildings, their storehouses, their banks, or their employees leveled with missiles.  Heh heh heh


White flags not accepted.

It is not that simple. They steal underground water, cut down forests, foul the air all that causes world wide weather and problems such as deserts in other parts of the world.

But would they do that if they got bombed for doing it?

I'm talking about honest to god hellfire. WAR. Missiles. Tanks. Gas. I think a corporation might think twice before gutting the environment if their payback meant literal death to them.

Quote from: Rebis on October 13, 2008, 07:50:17 PM
But would they do that if they got bombed for doing it?

I'm talking about honest to god hellfire. WAR. Missiles. Tanks. Gas. I think a corporation might think twice before gutting the environment if their payback meant literal death to them.

They are ghosts with a long chain of contractors and no particular place to bomb and cause more pollution. Follow the money is the saying. They still can not find Ben Laden

The New World Order was a phrase Bush Sr. used in mobilizing the world against Iraq after their invasion of Kuwait.  At that time, the Soviet Union had fallen and the new Russian Confederacy was starting to take shape.  Capitalism was starting to take root in Easter Europe and nations were actually trying to work together instead of kill each other - at least killing each other was not the first option.

It started to fall apart when we did not help Russians learn and understand how capitalism worked.  That left the New World Order floundering for a while, but far from dead.

The Clinton administration continued the birthing process through negotiation with other nations.  Slowly, things were taking shape.

When George W was elected, every initiative that Clinton touched was tossed out.  An opposite rhetoric was used, thus alianating the United States from the rest of the world community.  There was a remarkable opportunity to bring back the New World Order after 9/11.  Regretably, that opportunity was wasted in an ill-conceived war against Iraq.

As a result, the New World Order lies dying on the operating table.  Their might be a chance to be part of any New World Order if an administration is elected that would rather talk than fight.  However, the fall out from the Iraq war means that the United States will have very little say in how the new New World Order shapes up. 

Just my thoughts...

Chaunte

Bush ruined everything. I remember for a brief time I could see how anyone with half a brain could have initiated some of the greatest changes we'd ever see.

Isn't the New World Order and other Conspiracy Theories something the Seventh Day Adventists believe in and promote?  Armagedden and all that.  World leaders and Roman Catholics and Protestants bringing about destruction as predicted and which only they will be saved?

World order?  More like DISORDER, am I right?

Death to the image.  Hail the new flesh!

Quote from: Chaunte on October 13, 2008, 09:44:20 PM

The New World Order was a phrase Bush Sr. used in mobilizing the world against Iraq after their invasion of Kuwait.  At that time, the Soviet Union had fallen and the new Russian Confederacy was starting to take shape.  Capitalism was starting to take root in Easter Europe and nations were actually trying to work together instead of kill each other - at least killing each other was not the first option.

It started to fall apart when we did not help Russians learn and understand how capitalism worked.  That left the New World Order floundering for a while, but far from dead.

The Clinton administration continued the birthing process through negotiation with other nations.  Slowly, things were taking shape.

When George W was elected, every initiative that Clinton touched was tossed out.  An opposite rhetoric was used, thus alianating the United States from the rest of the world community.  There was a remarkable opportunity to bring back the New World Order after 9/11.  Regretably, that opportunity was wasted in an ill-conceived war against Iraq.

As a result, the New World Order lies dying on the operating table.  Their might be a chance to be part of any New World Order if an administration is elected that would rather talk than fight.  However, the fall out from the Iraq war means that the United States will have very little say in how the new New World Order shapes up. 

Just my thoughts...

Chaunte

I disagree.  There were many different ways I wanted to respond and dispute this, but after a few tries I realized my base philosophy is far different than your own. I believe what we are doing now, for the first time and whether right or wrong, is for much farther reaching goals than we have ever attempted in the past. The war in Iraq means alot to me because I have enormous personal stock in it, I have served two tours over there and will be going back for a third shortly.

Most people would agree that Vietnam was a tragic mistake. But whether a mistake or not, it played no small part in the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. Vietnam, as showing their true pragmatic nature, is on friendly relations with the west and strongly desires to learn the Art of Capitalism, and has made long strides to do so. China, even with its human rights violations, is rapidly evolving and I have no doubt will one day, I hope in my lifetime, become a free and benevolent society, if not a democracy. North Korea and Cuba, isolated and desperately poor, are on the short list of truely communist states, with Cuba peeling of with the fading of Castro. So who won the war in Vietnam? In the sense of the larger idea, our philosophy against theirs...we did. I do agree that did not, of course, mean much to the many who died during those years...but it does to their grandchildren.

You rightly defend a big theme, the New World Order, the idea that all nations can get along with words instead of the sword, and those nations provide responsible government and a measure of freedom, security, and prosperity to their citizens. We both want this. But I disagree with the mechanics on how this will be accomplished. There are still alot of people with swords out there, who have no need for words because they know violence speaks much louder.

Russia's story has not played itself out yet. Give it a generation or two. We do not have enough historical perspective to say that Democracy in the former USSR is a failure. Remember they had to shed off 1000 years of history and awoke into the new world, Russia was not free under communism anymore than under the brutal Czars before them. Look at the Roman Empire after the death of Constantine...he made the Empire officially a Christian one...but within two generations, the emperor Julian the Apostate tried to revert it back to paganism in what was still largely a pagan society. But the clock had irrevocably turned forward, and within a hundred years European paganism had virtually disappeared. We are an impatient species.

I use Christianity to illustrate a point, not as an advocate of the religion...but it is a good point.

What we are doing in Iraq will determine what the world will be like for my grandchildren, as well as my Iraqi friends and everyone else in the world. I don't know if what I'm doing is truely the right thing, only future historians will, but more often than people want to admit it is good intentions that count for more...that paved road does not lead to hell, as the saying goes, but to salvation because it shows a willingness to make the world a better place. If it fails, then we try, try again.

In my profession, it is called "the long war". The war in Iraq is not about battlefield victories, oil, or long casualty rolls. But in a sense it is about nation building, up to a point. It is about showing the world we are willing to sacrifice, and willing to try, to make the world a better place for all of us; not just America. Many mistakes are yet to be made. It is getting people to understand which is the hardest part. We will not win this war in my own generation, and I don't mean just Iraq...this is a war of ideas that is forming how the world will be generations from now.

We, as humans, are for the first time beginning to think beyond the span of our own lives...the environment comes to mind. This idea of the New World Order is just that...but it takes time and sacrifice.

One last example from history...the British Empire's war on the slave trade took forty years to accomplish. Most of the world said it was folly and could not be done, and would only result in a tragic and confusing war against non-national groups in the shadows. When it was finally over, victory bells were not ringing in London, most of them were no longer paying attention...they rang in Washington DC at the end of the American Civil War and the end of all slavery. And even then, it took another hundred years for it to truly end with the triumph of the civil rights movement.

Don't look for an end to history, we will never have a perfect world society. We can only strive to make it better than it is.

That's my two cents.

Chris

Such hostility. I for one welcome our new insect overlords.