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Title: Antibiotics a growing failure
Post by: Fox on November 12, 2008, 07:09:48 PM
Post by: Fox on November 12, 2008, 07:09:48 PM
I wasn't sure wether to place this post under activism or politics. I am choosing to place this underpolitics since its not directly related to gender.
Are society as a whole has become far to dependent on antibiotics as the only means of fighting bacterial diseases. It is the OIL of the medical world and they pharmasudical companies are the gas companies. As a society we tend to pick one thing that works at the time and go lets base our entire economy around that and ignore all other alternatives. Bacteria started showing signs of resistance as early as the 60s so what did we do lets just give it a differnet antibiotic. Guess what where about out of effective antibiotics to try.
Why have antibiotics begone to fail us as a soceity so fast? Because we abused the hell out of them. First doctors have overprescribed antibiotics for a long time now for problems they can't even help. Patient comes in "Doctor I don't feel good" overworked doctor hands them some antibiotics and tells them to check backj in later nevermind that the patient had a viral condition in the first place. Second problem people get a prescription for an antibiotic that is supposed to be taken a set amount of time untill it runs out. What do people do they take them to they feel better and save the rest for a rainy day. All the while remenants of the bacteria still in their system are adaptaing to that antibiotic and preparing to come back all the stronger latter. Third agriculture and the food industry. Half of all the antibiotics we produce go to livestock and plants. Everything fromt he cheeseburger you had for lunch to that apple you just ate had antibiotics used on it before it got to you. Thirteen million pounds of antibiotics a year are fed to to livestock to promote growth and health. It's no wonder we have created a enviroment jsut perfect for multiple antibiotic resist diseases to flourish such as MRSA. do you know what MRSA basicaly is a staph infection something that doctors laughed at 50 years ago and perscribed penicillin and MRSA is now VRSA in 2002 Vancomycin the last super antibiotic we had to treat MRSA was beat out as a resistant strain developed. The problem is realized by many but almost no where I look do i see any large scale plans being formed to do soemhting about it. Regualtions need to be enforced and antibiotic perscriptions and people and doctors need to be properly educated in their use. If nothing is done the millions of dollars the large scale pharmasudical companies are spending into research trying to find new antibiotics is just going to be wasted as the cycle repeats itself even faster this time. The biggest thing that needs to be done though is to promote research into alternatives to antibiotic use such as phage therapy. Not diversifying and having no fallback is how we got into this mess. Bottom line hopefully the government the FDA and the medical industry will wake up and start working to solve the problem togther in the upcoming term. If not the death toil is going to rise and more and more people are going to suffer. Before I end something funny I found.
The History of Medicine
2000 b.c. Here, eat this root.
1000 a.d. That root is heathen. Here, say this prayer.
1850 a.d. That prayer is superstition. Here, drink this potion.
1920 a.d. That potion is snake oil. Here, swallow this pill.
1945 a.d. That pill is ineffective. Here, take this penicillin.
1955 a.d. Oops ... bugs mutated. Here, take this tetracycline.
1960-1999 39 more "oops"... Here, take this more powerful antibiotic.
2000 a.d. The bugs have won! Here, eat this root.
Are society as a whole has become far to dependent on antibiotics as the only means of fighting bacterial diseases. It is the OIL of the medical world and they pharmasudical companies are the gas companies. As a society we tend to pick one thing that works at the time and go lets base our entire economy around that and ignore all other alternatives. Bacteria started showing signs of resistance as early as the 60s so what did we do lets just give it a differnet antibiotic. Guess what where about out of effective antibiotics to try.
Why have antibiotics begone to fail us as a soceity so fast? Because we abused the hell out of them. First doctors have overprescribed antibiotics for a long time now for problems they can't even help. Patient comes in "Doctor I don't feel good" overworked doctor hands them some antibiotics and tells them to check backj in later nevermind that the patient had a viral condition in the first place. Second problem people get a prescription for an antibiotic that is supposed to be taken a set amount of time untill it runs out. What do people do they take them to they feel better and save the rest for a rainy day. All the while remenants of the bacteria still in their system are adaptaing to that antibiotic and preparing to come back all the stronger latter. Third agriculture and the food industry. Half of all the antibiotics we produce go to livestock and plants. Everything fromt he cheeseburger you had for lunch to that apple you just ate had antibiotics used on it before it got to you. Thirteen million pounds of antibiotics a year are fed to to livestock to promote growth and health. It's no wonder we have created a enviroment jsut perfect for multiple antibiotic resist diseases to flourish such as MRSA. do you know what MRSA basicaly is a staph infection something that doctors laughed at 50 years ago and perscribed penicillin and MRSA is now VRSA in 2002 Vancomycin the last super antibiotic we had to treat MRSA was beat out as a resistant strain developed. The problem is realized by many but almost no where I look do i see any large scale plans being formed to do soemhting about it. Regualtions need to be enforced and antibiotic perscriptions and people and doctors need to be properly educated in their use. If nothing is done the millions of dollars the large scale pharmasudical companies are spending into research trying to find new antibiotics is just going to be wasted as the cycle repeats itself even faster this time. The biggest thing that needs to be done though is to promote research into alternatives to antibiotic use such as phage therapy. Not diversifying and having no fallback is how we got into this mess. Bottom line hopefully the government the FDA and the medical industry will wake up and start working to solve the problem togther in the upcoming term. If not the death toil is going to rise and more and more people are going to suffer. Before I end something funny I found.
The History of Medicine
2000 b.c. Here, eat this root.
1000 a.d. That root is heathen. Here, say this prayer.
1850 a.d. That prayer is superstition. Here, drink this potion.
1920 a.d. That potion is snake oil. Here, swallow this pill.
1945 a.d. That pill is ineffective. Here, take this penicillin.
1955 a.d. Oops ... bugs mutated. Here, take this tetracycline.
1960-1999 39 more "oops"... Here, take this more powerful antibiotic.
2000 a.d. The bugs have won! Here, eat this root.
Title: Re: Antibiotics a growing failure
Post by: tekla on November 12, 2008, 07:13:04 PM
Post by: tekla on November 12, 2008, 07:13:04 PM
I agree, never use any anti bac stuff at all.
Title: Re: Antibiotics a growing failure
Post by: lisagurl on November 12, 2008, 07:43:17 PM
Post by: lisagurl on November 12, 2008, 07:43:17 PM
Read "The Cure Within". I only eat grass fed meat with no hormones or antibiotics. Meat or fish 2 or 3 times a week. I cook all my meals and stay out of restaurants and fast food because you do not know where the food comes from. I limit close public contact and wash my hands after being in public spaces. I have not been sick in over 10 years. No colds or virus, no stomach aches or flues.
Title: Re: Antibiotics a growing failure
Post by: Fox on November 12, 2008, 07:46:18 PM
Post by: Fox on November 12, 2008, 07:46:18 PM
Do you use antibacterial handsoap or regular?
Title: Re: Antibiotics a growing failure
Post by: tekla on November 12, 2008, 07:50:07 PM
Post by: tekla on November 12, 2008, 07:50:07 PM
The more contact you have, the stronger you're own immune system becomes.
Title: Re: Antibiotics a growing failure
Post by: lisagurl on November 12, 2008, 07:50:23 PM
Post by: lisagurl on November 12, 2008, 07:50:23 PM
I have dial liquid antibacterial in the bathroom sinks and an environmental natural soap in the kitchen but a dish washer that sterilizes the dishes. In the bath I use salt crystals no soap.
Title: Re: Antibiotics a growing failure
Post by: Fox on November 12, 2008, 07:59:18 PM
Post by: Fox on November 12, 2008, 07:59:18 PM
I agree completely telka I have a strong immune sytem as well and subject myself to opputunites for infection often.
Antibacterial handsoap and sanatizers are also part of the problem and now a days worse than completely ineffective.
I have done growth cultures and seen them many times in the lab where people washed their hands and touched a plate with plain water and then when they did with antibacterial handsoap and the antibacterial hand soap has more microbial growth because the bacteria are alrdy immune to it and it acts as a growth medium for the pathogenic bacteria on your hands. the same result with hospital used landuary detergents.
Antibacterial handsoap and sanatizers are also part of the problem and now a days worse than completely ineffective.
I have done growth cultures and seen them many times in the lab where people washed their hands and touched a plate with plain water and then when they did with antibacterial handsoap and the antibacterial hand soap has more microbial growth because the bacteria are alrdy immune to it and it acts as a growth medium for the pathogenic bacteria on your hands. the same result with hospital used landuary detergents.
Title: Re: Antibiotics a growing failure
Post by: lisagurl on November 12, 2008, 08:11:12 PM
Post by: lisagurl on November 12, 2008, 08:11:12 PM
However UV light in prison HVAC systems has cut disease in prisons. It is true that immune systems are improved with some exposure but too many concentrated exposures overwhelm your natural system. Antibacterial soaps are defeated buy drying your hands on a cloth towel.
Title: Re: Antibiotics a growing failure
Post by: joannatsf on November 12, 2008, 08:15:53 PM
Post by: joannatsf on November 12, 2008, 08:15:53 PM
I've been taking an antibiotic everyday for nearly 4 years and will continue to do so for the forseable future. I take Xifaxan to kill a certain strain of e.coli bacteria that produces ammonia as a metabolite. The ammonia will accumulate in my blood and if left untreated, kill me.
Title: Re: Antibiotics a growing failure
Post by: Fox on November 12, 2008, 08:18:48 PM
Post by: Fox on November 12, 2008, 08:18:48 PM
Im sorry to hear that Claire understand that im not advocating completely against antibiotics merely there overuse and overrealiance. Even the top researchers in bacteriophage therapy say there not trying to knock antibiotics off there pedastol. Antibiotics will continue to be an important weapon for a while in the war on disease but it can't be the only weapon.