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UK: £1,000 fine for wrong ID details

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7742619.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7742619.stm)
11/21/2008

Anyone with a biometric passport or ID card will be required to notify the National Identity Register of changes to the personal data it holds.

Special provisions have been made for people undergoing sex changes.

Transgendered people will have two cards at the same time, one for their old identity and a new one for when they have completed their sex change.

This is typical of the government. Instead of just making sure people keep their details up to date, or explaining why it's in people's best interests... they have to charge in with the whole "DO IT OR ELSE!" approach.

*sigh*

And, of course, as if transgendered people don't have enough expense with transition, we now have the honour of having to pay for two cards instead of just one.

But, all of that pales in comparison to the government's complete and total incompetence when it comes to keeping personal information secure. So, as soon as we're all tooled up with ID cards, some suit-wearing clown will have a few too many one day and leave a laptop/hard drive/pen drive on a train... and the whole thing will have to be scrapped because of the security breach and the personal data that's "gone missing" (it's already happened once to me and my brother personally with that whole MOD screw up that happened a while ago). Idiots, the lot of them.

I will be so glad get out of this country, which seems to be stuck in 1984. :-\

Well hopefully they wont be around after next election not that the other party is upto much.
I thought conservatives had said they would drop i.d cards though unless they were just sucking up to popular opinion ofcourse.

Does it mean we have to keep our old i.d even after srs?

more here:
Bi-dentity card (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1960367.ece)

and

here.


(http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1088384/One-sex-Transgender-individuals-ID-cards.html)

It's 5-38 am here im probably tired but it looks like the old card will stay around just to out us.........great!!!!

Remind me to vote labour next time.....not

edit
on the upside another forums is saying you can hand back the orginal and it's great for part timers so they wont get outed by an i.d.

The downside
I had to read The Sun for the info, i can feel another "holy father its been 10 years since my last confession" speech coming.

This may be a really dumb question, but what benefit is it to us in having two identity cards, even only during transition?  I've never been asked to prove my former identity before, by anyone - and i'd have refused to anyway

I recently changed my passport from Female to Male and old name to new name in May/June this year and was never told this. I am not going to do anything about it now. I still have my old passport however its not vaild. I dont really get this.

Its just another money making scheme that our government want to use.

I get so annoyed by labour. I will never vote for them. Conservative all the way.


Does this mean I will need a new ID?

Ive changed all my details and forms of ID, driving license and passport.

Oh now Im confused.. >:(

Quote from: jenny_ on November 22, 2008, 06:18:34 AM
This may be a really dumb question, but what benefit is it to us in having two identity cards, even only during transition?  I've never been asked to prove my former identity before, by anyone - and i'd have refused to anyway

Its worth another 30 pound to the Government!

If your Schizophrenic & homeless its gonna cost a fortune for every persona and park bench you sleep on.

This is seriously a backward step.

I just got my new biometric passport so hopefully that will be the end.

Rebecca

No Rebecca lets not all forget its not about money making and yet more ways to watch our movements, were only the most obvsered nation by government in the world.

It about terrorism they said so and we should believe them

/Extreme Sarcasm off

Because we all know terrorists walk around displaying their ID before they decide to blow stuff up.

"You know, I really wanted to blow up that nightclub but damn it, I'm underage!"

You know, there's a saying: "Nothing is foolproof to a talented fool". I think this could well be a case in point.

I can see some possible benefits of this, at least... if it weren't going to be so expensive to have the priviledge, but they are so outweighed by the problems that, in my opinion, it isn't worth it.

Also i'm wondering if its gonna make a difference to the passport office and DVLA about changing gender markers straight away.

From the sound of the two id cards thing, they seem to be saying that only the former identity (ie birth-sex) is valid for travel and stuff.

Though i suppose there were similar concerns about passports and driving license when GRC was introduced.

Quote from: Jay on November 22, 2008, 07:47:12 AM
Does this mean I will need a new ID?

Ive changed all my details and forms of ID, driving license and passport.

Oh now Im confused.. >:(

I'm hoping that this was just a misguided, ignorant attempt at actually making things easier for transgender people, by the government.  Maybe they didn't realise that its normal for us to change all our IDs etc when we go fulltime, and so their 2 ID idea is pointless.  And hopefully it won't be compulsory for us to get an id for our former identity - they say we can just give it back at the end of transition anyway.

My guess is that it will eventually have to be linked to the Gender Recogntion Certificate, i.e you can change your name, gender markers on a number of documents on going full time, but legally your birth certificate still defines your "sex".

Once you have a GRC and new birth certificate then there is no reason to carry two cards.

Rebecca

Quote from: Leiandra on November 22, 2008, 08:12:30 AM"You know, I really wanted to blow up that nightclub but damn it, I'm underage!"

ROFL! ;D

~Simone.

I don't think they could legally link it to Gender Recognition Certificates, since so many protections of that data were written into the Act.

Nobody, including the government, is allowed to demand to see it or give details of it.

I'm still not convinced that they've thought this through at all!