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After six months on HRT and intense electrolsis, my thin boned 5'' 7'' body is very passable. My body is changing shape although my breast growth is slow. Mentally all my maleness is gone. I told the HR woman at work that I will be changing my name and taking early retirement; she said she suspected what was happening and was very understanding. I have never been attracted to men; only GGs and preop TSs although I thououghly enjoy the passive female role with my partner, a functional preop TS. Anyway the other day, after a visit to my salon; hair, french manacure, pedicure and shaped eyebrows, I headed to the mall. The cosmetics counter woman asked if I would like a makeover as I walked by and 30 minitues later I looked and felt wonderful. As my female voice is working nicely I was ma'am to her and she never suspected. I had on a pair of designer jeans and a halter top and was thinking as I was walking how complete I will feel when I replace my male parts with the proper vagina. Suddenly a very fit attractive male smiled at me a he was walking by. For the next hour all I could think about was making love to him. I still am attracted to females but I can't get him out of my mind. Has this happened to anyone else? It is very confusing.


Pam

Changes in sexual orientation has been noted by many people here, but it is certainly not the rule. Some of this can be attributed to hormones, some of it to you just allowing yourself to be yourself finally.

Also, many women (though many will deny it) have a very fluid sexual orientation and many straight women claim that they do not find men actually attractive, but they enjoy how the men make them feel, and while rare, even those on occasion go all gooey over a guy.

Is it strange, yes, but at least it is not really an issue.

Either way, imagine the possibilities.

Quote from: Leslie Ann on November 25, 2008, 04:21:01 PM
Many straight women claim that they do not find men actually attractive, but they enjoy how the men make them feel...

Hmm, that's very interesting. I don't ever think that I could find a man attractive, but I could see how it could make me feel... more what? Do I have to hand in my lesbian feminist membership card if I pursue this thought?

I have been sort of 'bouncing around' too lately. I have always liked guys, and as an MtF I consider myself strait. Lately, tho, I have been liking the look of some girls, and I have had relationships with girls in the past. I think that I could go either way in the right situation, but I like to think of myself more as bicurious or just curious on some days. I don't know, just wait things out and see what happens.

Chrissi

Didn't Kinsey discover that very few people are exclusively hetero- or homosexual? So is it that surprising that your orientation might change with a major life-changing event like HRT or transitioning?

Or rather, appear to change?

Particularly since -- practically by definition! -- TS folks have questions about their sexual identity.

Quote from: MarySue on November 26, 2008, 02:15:49 PM
Didn't Kinsey discover that very few people are exclusively hetero- or homosexual? So is it that surprising that your orientation might change with a major life-changing event like HRT or transitioning?

Or rather, appear to change?

Particularly since -- practically by definition! -- TS folks have questions about their sexual identity.

Indeed. It's practically impossible to be TS and not start with a jumbled sexuality.

I am, at this pre-transition point, attracted to genetic women, trans women and the occassional trans man... however, I could easily see myself ending up where Pamshaw is at, even though right now I find "guys" pretty unappealing and vaugely threatening.

Quote from: mtfbuckeye on November 26, 2008, 02:28:09 PM
though right now I find "guys" pretty unappealing and vaguely threatening.

LOL, you sound like a straight woman already!  ::)

Lia

Quote from: MarySue on November 26, 2008, 02:15:49 PM
Didn't Kinsey discover that very few people are exclusively hetero- or homosexual? So is it that surprising that your orientation might change with a major life-changing event like HRT or transitioning?

Or rather, appear to change?

Particularly since -- practically by definition! -- TS folks have questions about their sexual identity.

Later studies or that study (not sure) have indicated men are one or the other, and that most bi-males are are confused or lying about their orientation. Only the women were fluid and able to go either way.

Considering what causes homosexuality, and what is the most common theory of TS, it makes sense that many of us are unsure.

Quote from: Leslie Ann on November 26, 2008, 04:15:30 PM
Considering what causes homosexuality, and what is the most common theory of TS, it makes sense that many of us are unsure.

Could you elaborate? I thought no one knows what causes homosexuality or TS.

I'm not criticizing; I'd like to learn more!

Quote from: MarySue on November 27, 2008, 12:14:08 AMCould you elaborate? I thought no one knows what causes homosexuality or TS.

There's actually a lot of mounting evidence pointing at biological origins for transsexuality. Here are just a few:

http://www.infocirc.org/rollston.htm (http://www.infocirc.org/rollston.htm)
http://www.symposion.com/ijt/ijtc0106.htm (http://www.symposion.com/ijt/ijtc0106.htm)
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/85/5/2034 (http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/85/5/2034)
http://www.tgcrossroads.org/news/?aid=770 (http://www.tgcrossroads.org/news/?aid=770)
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14424-transsexuality-gene-boosts-male-hormones.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14424-transsexuality-gene-boosts-male-hormones.html)

Homosexuality has been shown very strongly to be at least partially biological in origin. I don't have studies at my fingertips like I do for trans research, but I frequent religioustolerance.org, and they have a good section on homosexuality and its causes:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_caus.htm (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_caus.htm)

especially look at this one:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_caus7.htm (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_caus7.htm)

about halfway down where they talk about brain imaging comparisons.

Anyways, hope that helps. There are plenty of studies coming out now around gender identity and brain structure - a whole slew of them in the last six months or so. Googling a bit turns up lots, or if you can't find them, PM me.

~Simone.

Thanks Simone.

You said yu dreamt of making love to him, so my expereince was not quite the same. But I WAS confused that I had started noticing guys a bit, and if a nice one were sweet to me, I would be thinking about THAT for a while after.

I mentioned this to a Lesbian friend, how I was seeing men differently, and she cleared things right up for me. (and I apologize in advance, it's a little vulgar, but still bears repeating) She said, it's fine you find certain men charming, cute, blah blah, but do you want to go down on one? And my answer is and has always been, um, thank you but no. So much for confusion about men.

I still love to be appreciated by a man or seen as and treated like a lady by one--it strokes my ego-- but basically, I'm back to the opinion that men make good doorstoppers. (except the ones here! Not you, not YOU!  :laugh:)

Maybe I can draw a little for instance.

When I was 15 I worked at a local Taco Bell fast food restaurant and due to some traumatic events the year before I had put my GID so far into the closet that I had even convinced myself that I no longer had it. I was exclusively attracted to girls, the very thought of any homosexual activity made me nauseous.

One older male coworker in particular befriended me and we started to hang out. On day after work he invited me to his home and I went along. Now this guy was not unattractive and never had any trouble picking up women. We got to his house and basically just started talking about women and sex and such we he just blatantly made a comment about wanting to double team a woman with another guy. Then he ask me if I would like to watch a porno with him. When he got up to put the movie on I could tell he was quite aroused. He then started talking about wanting to masturbate with me.

I was disgusted and even a little afraid. I immediately left and never interacted with that person again.

Now Ironically, later that same year we had a regular customer start coming in for lunch. He was also an older guy and while the thought of sexual interaction with another guy was still repulsive, I found myself becoming attracted to this one. It got to the point where I even started imagining myself with him.

This was prior to any HRT and while its true that I was in denial about my sexual orientation (i'm bi) I was and still am predominantly attracted to women.

Long story short, I can find a man attractive but I have no ambition to pursue him. I am loyal to my wife and even if we were to separate I seriously doubt that I would seek out a male companion.

I heard comment once about interacting with a same sex partner:

"Their fun to play with long enough to get the job done, then I want them to go away."         

Quote from: Ellieka on November 27, 2008, 07:04:04 AMNow Ironically, later that same year we had a regular customer start coming in for lunch. He was also an older guy and while the thought of sexual interaction with another guy was still repulsive, I found myself becoming attracted to this one. It got to the point where I even started imagining myself with him.     

It's not about hormones, it's about self-acceptance.  And judging by the highlighted part of this quote you still have a ways to go.  You are not a "guy" and never were one.

Quote from: Beyond on November 27, 2008, 02:27:07 PM

Quote from: Ellieka on November 27, 2008, 07:04:04 AMNow Ironically, later that same year we had a regular customer start coming in for lunch. He was also an older guy and while the thought of sexual interaction with another guy was still repulsive, I found myself becoming attracted to this one. It got to the point where I even started imagining myself with him.     

It's not about hormones, it's about self-acceptance.  And judging by the highlighted part of this quote you still have a ways to go.  You are not a "guy" and never were one.

thus the rest of my post...

Quote from: Ellieka on November 27, 2008, 07:04:04 AM

This was prior to any HRT and while its true that I was in denial about my sexual orientation (i'm bi) I was and still am predominantly attracted to women.

Long story short, I can find a man attractive but I have no ambition to pursue him. I am loyal to my wife and even if we were to separate I seriously doubt that I would seek out a male companion.
        

this comment about "with another guy" was how I felt at age 15.
I fully accept and admit to being bisexual now.

stating that I never was a male is only reiterating the obvious.

http://www.infocirc.org/rollston.htm (http://www.infocirc.org/rollston.htm)

I have read that story during my early transitioning 9 years ago. It is sad and tragic but at least with a good ending. I beleive that this story at least proves that gender identity is hard wired in our minds. A child can not be conditioned taught or brainwashed into being what they instinctively don't beleive themselves to be. This kid knew instinctively he was not the girl he was brought up to think he was, yet he had no other reason not to believe so.

I would say that this is quite the reverse and contrary to what Mr Zucker has been atempting to do brainwash these trans kids to think, or teach, believe that they are the gender that the physical body represents. 

Cindy 

Quote from: Ellieka on November 27, 2008, 02:34:50 PMThis was prior to any HRT and while its true that I was in denial about my sexual orientation (i'm bi) I was and still am predominantly attracted to women.

<snip>

this comment about "with another guy" was how I felt at age 15.
I fully accept and admit to being bisexual now.

my bad.  That's what I get for sticking my nose in.  My apologies.

lol no worries. I made a post once recommending a member be banned simply because I misread her post.

Quote from: Stealthgrrl on November 27, 2008, 05:41:48 AM
She said, it's fine you find certain men charming, cute, blah blah, but do you want to go down on one?

Erm, I'm not too keen on the idea of going down on a man or a woman.  Does that make me asexual?   ;)

Naaa. It just makes you who you are. You probably have other ways that you like to express your sexuality and affection. I've never seen a manual that says oral sex is the only right way to do it any way.

Quote from: Jamie-o on November 28, 2008, 06:01:05 AM

Quote from: Stealthgrrl on November 27, 2008, 05:41:48 AM
She said, it's fine you find certain men charming, cute, blah blah, but do you want to go down on one?

Erm, I'm not too keen on the idea of going down on a man or a woman.  Does that make me asexual?   ;)

Nah, it just means you don't like oral sex. So what? That leaves two out of three, right??  :laugh:

BTW, I'm not fond of oral sex either. Giving or getting.

Sexual orientation? I have never been that sexually active with either a female or male partner, mostly only had sex with a female because that was supposed to be the in thing for guys to do. When I got married the relationship was mostly based in a desire of having a family, that relationship failed miserably, and I will leave it at that.

For many years I have not been interested in having sex with either male or female but since the surgery four years ago men have come to be more attractive but still not in a way of having a desire for physical sex with them.

I am still not at all that interested in having physical sex with either a woman or a man, but I do have a wonderful intimate loving relationship with my present partner who is also TS.

Cindy   

Quote from: Stealthgrrl on November 27, 2008, 05:41:48 AM
but do you want to go down on one? And my answer is and has always been, um, thank you but no. So much for confusion about men.

Hi, I'm new here and this is my first time blogging here, or anywhere regarding this subject, so I hope I don't do anything wrong. I just had a thought about this comment.

I never have but I would. I have felt like a girl inside my whole life and while I have never had sex with a guy I would like to. But I am not interested in gay sex. I don't want it to be equal. I want to be.....um "taken" for lack of a better term. I want to feel the weight of him on top of me. And I would love to go down on him but not just any guy. It would absolutely have to be the right guy. Does that make any sense at all?

Jeni,

Your comment makes perfect sense! I think you'll find a lot of folks here who feel the same way. You might check out the Sexuality forum, for example.

And I'm very glad you said you'd hold out for "Mr. Right." I'd be worried if you didn't. Unfortunately, a lot of T-girls get so excited that they lose their common sense, and they take up with the first dirtbag who comes along.

Oh yes, welcome to Susan's!

Thank you for being so welcoming MarySue.

It is very nice to meet you.  :)

Um...I don't know where the sexuality forum is. I did look. I just can't seem to find it. It's probably right in front of me. I can be like that sometimes.

In regard to sexual orientation I do not have alot of first hand experience.
When I was younger and a teenager I had no attraction to either sex and have always had a very low libido which I sometimes suspect may have been related to a low T count. In my early 20s I found out i had some atraction to men but still none ever to females. The only time I would ever look at a female body was in envy. Im 25 now and have only had experience with 3 guys and no girls (had 1 girlfriend in hs kissed once and it was most ackward thing ever) and by technical sandards im still a virgin. I have participated in oral sex but do no find the experiece pleasurable at all once semen taste nasty and two I have a bad gag reflex :P. After taking estrogen I have developed a more solid attraction to males but still no strong sex drive and thus I remain celebate. I would not mind eventualy getting into a relationship with a guy especialy for the social companion aspects but I will never lose my virginity until my body is no longer male.

Hi Jeni, welcome to Susan's. I pray that you will find many of the answers you may be seeking here. There are many nice folks here to share and make inquiries.

Hi Fox, sounds like your story is much like.

Cindy 

That Avatar is the cutest Fox!

Thanks :) and hi Cindy

Quote from: MarySue on November 28, 2008, 01:54:15 PM
Jeni,

Your comment makes perfect sense! I think you'll find a lot of folks here who feel the same way. You might check out the Sexuality forum, for example.

And I'm very glad you said you'd hold out for "Mr. Right." I'd be worried if you didn't.

Unfortunately, a lot of T-girls get so excited that they lose their common sense, and they take up with the first dirtbag who comes along.

Oh yes, welcome to Susan's!

Giggles, I was headed down that road in spring. I switched from asexual to ON. I still remember the hug from the dirtbag it rocked my world. I would of done anything for love. My girlfreinds saw that i losted my mind and got me. They let me know that i did not want to be a S**T!

My Sexual orientation is open and willing to any relationship that is HEALTHY. I had hang up for 35 years i can do without them now.

I'm 2 years in this life i want to live and would like to share it with someone nice.

Quote from: Jeni on November 28, 2008, 01:26:48 PM

Quote from: Stealthgrrl on November 27, 2008, 05:41:48 AM
but do you want to go down on one? And my answer is and has always been, um, thank you but no. So much for confusion about men.

Hi, I'm new here and this is my first time blogging here, or anywhere regarding this subject, so I hope I don't do anything wrong. I just had a thought about this comment.

I never have but I would. I have felt like a girl inside my whole life and while I have never had sex with a guy I would like to. But I am not interested in gay sex. I don't want it to be equal. I want to be.....um "taken" for lack of a better term. I want to feel the weight of him on top of me. And I would love to go down on him but not just any guy. It would absolutely have to be the right guy. Does that make any sense at all?

Amen to that Jeni, you sound just like me!! And welcome to the boards!!!

When I was going through puberty I realized that I didn't feel a strong attraction to women, only a little bit. I wondered if I was gay, but I found that wasn't gay. Then I heard about being asexual, and thought "well that must be what I am!" but I'm not really that way either.
After all this confusion I thought "Well then I must be straight after all!" I thought it was settled, but then I often found myself thinking about sex with men. I still didn't feel attracted to men and kinda like Jeni said; I didn't want gay sex. I still find that I'm attracted to women, but I don't feel much of a sexual drive for them. On the other hand, I am not attracted to men at all, but I feel a sexual drive to sleep with a man, as a woman. I kept finding myself thinking about really embarrassing things. It confused me, and I'm still confused. I hope that someday I can go on HRT and maybe it will help me figure things out. I think it is normal for people like us to get confused about these things.

Hi Aelita, that makes two of us then that are confused. I to have dreamed of making out with a man, not just any man, like a good one who could make me feel like a woman but still have doubts about actually having sex with one. I have met many a wonderful gentlemen that have made me feel special as a woman but that was as far as the fantasy has went.

I have had sex with women but never enjoyed it, it felt wrong. I feel right about my body now that I am a woman but still uncertain about sexual orientation. Although I have never loved and trusted anyone before in my like as I do my beloved.   

Cindy

Quote from: Icephoenyx on November 30, 2008, 06:22:40 PM

Quote from: Jeni on November 28, 2008, 01:26:48 PM

Quote from: Stealthgrrl on November 27, 2008, 05:41:48 AM
but do you want to go down on one? And my answer is and has always been, um, thank you but no. So much for confusion about men.

Hi, I'm new here and this is my first time blogging here, or anywhere regarding this subject, so I hope I don't do anything wrong. I just had a thought about this comment.

I never have but I would. I have felt like a girl inside my whole life and while I have never had sex with a guy I would like to. But I am not interested in gay sex. I don't want it to be equal. I want to be.....um "taken" for lack of a better term. I want to feel the weight of him on top of me. And I would love to go down on him but not just any guy. It would absolutely have to be the right guy. Does that make any sense at all?

Amen to that Jeni, you sound just like me!! And welcome to the boards!!!

Thank you for your nice response Icephoenyx. And for being so welcoming! It's awefully nice to know that others feel like I do and that I'm really not all alone.

Quote from: cindybc on November 29, 2008, 12:38:47 AM
Hi Jeni, welcome to Susan's. I pray that you will find many of the answers you may be seeking here. There are many nice folks here to share and make inquiries.

Hi Fox, sounds like your story is much like.

Cindy

Thank you so much Cindy!  :)

Thanks eneryone. This forum is wonderful! This discussion has been very helpful. I have come to the conclusion that my brain is hardwired as a woman but my male hormones were fighting my true inner self. Now HRT is getting my chemistry correct. By the way I have decided on an orci now as SRS is many months away and there is no turning back. I know the submissive female is who I have always been and my sexual orientation is really not important; I may be bi but what is really important is how wonderful I feel now that I have fully accepted my womanhood. I feel completely relaxed and happy walking around in a nice skirt and top with my hair styled and a fresh manicure and pedicure. I will accept what ever orientation shows up and not worry about it.

Pam

Its good to see that your coming to terms with who you really are. Its a great feeling to be free.

QuoteI know the submissive female is who I have always been

Just be careful not to be too submissive. Women have struggled for decades to be treated and respected as equal to men. Don't let society tell you that just because your a woman means you have to let them walk all over you. It's ok to be strong and independent. 

Excellent point but I think I can be submissive and feminine and still stand up for myself. My brain is reverting to its female self so I don't have aggressive or need to be in charge thoughts. Just because I don't like to drive does not mean I won't have input in to where we are going. My view of the world is so very different now and I have gentle thoughts and feelings. Sexually I am completely different. It takes much time for me to get in the mood and my thoughts are for my partners pleasure rather than my own. It feels wonderful to have my partner carress my hairless feminine body and I feel so warm and wonderful when she enters me. I feel complete when she has an orgasm; mine is difficult and not that important to me.

Pam

Totally agree with you there Pamshaw. Its nice to not be plagued thoughts that make us feel like aggressive jerks. I'm so much calmer now that I'm on HRT.

Quote from: pamshaw on December 02, 2008, 12:25:11 PM
Excellent point but I think I can be submissive and feminine and still stand up for myself. My brain is reverting to its female self so I don't have aggressive or need to be in charge thoughts. Just because I don't like to drive does not mean I won't have input in to where we are going. My view of the world is so very different now and I have gentle thoughts and feelings. Sexually I am completely different. It takes much time for me to get in the mood and my thoughts are for my partners pleasure rather than my own. It feels wonderful to have my partner carress my hairless feminine body and I feel so warm and wonderful when she enters me. I feel complete when she has an orgasm; mine is difficult and not that important to me.

Pam

What a neat post. I like that about your brain reverting to its female self. So true! To borrow a phrase, I feel like my poor brain was testosterone poisoned for years, and now she is free to be herself...myself.  :)

It's a common misconception that HRT can change sexual orientation.  The "changes in orientation" some go through is only because once they become their true selves inside and out, it frees them to explore ideas and thoughts that they use to shy away from.  Simple as that.  If hormones could change orientation, it could be used as a cure for homosexuality.

in response to the original post those thoughts (occasionally) happen to me _now_ and its very confusing (im not on anything yet) - but i only feel female in my head and i do question my orientation anyway - i like gg's, mtf's (pre and post), ftm's (phwoar), and the odd hot guy (but he has to be absolutely smoking :>)

all in all sounds perfectly normal to me (depending on your definition of normal HA!) and im really happy for you and so jealous at the same time that you are happy with yourself!

<3 fusi
x

Ladies,
This is a most interesting post. For the first time in my life I feel like the odd one out because I am - internally - a woman and am attracted to men. Would I go down on a man? Of course! And I don't want to get into all the delicious reasons; that would be a private conversation. When you are with somone you care about you do things to make him happy; this is , of course, a mutual sense of love, care, satisfaction, and pleasure.
The thought of being with a man makes me feel both sexually stimulated and emotionally excited. I find men attractive if they are kind, gentle, supportive and intelligent. That is what makes the physical aspect of a relationship function.
I wanted to add this as an, oddly enough, different opinion or point of view.
Patricia.

oh yea, in regards to the going down thing - i do actually fantasise about it quite a lot

Quote from: scarboroughfair on December 06, 2008, 11:51:34 AM

Quote from: fusi on December 06, 2008, 11:00:08 AM
oh yea, in regards to the going down thing - i do actually fantasise about it quite a lot

Alright you girls, hush!
I'm A bitch in heat and this nasty talk is doin me in! lol :D

haha :) <3

3=> om nom nom nom!

Quote from: Stealthgrrl on December 03, 2008, 05:47:31 PM

Quote from: pamshaw on December 02, 2008, 12:25:11 PM
Excellent point but I think I can be submissive and feminine and still stand up for myself. My brain is reverting to its female self so I don't have aggressive or need to be in charge thoughts. Just because I don't like to drive does not mean I won't have input in to where we are going. My view of the world is so very different now and I have gentle thoughts and feelings. Sexually I am completely different. It takes much time for me to get in the mood and my thoughts are for my partners pleasure rather than my own. It feels wonderful to have my partner carress my hairless feminine body and I feel so warm and wonderful when she enters me. I feel complete when she has an orgasm; mine is difficult and not that important to me.

Pam

What a neat post. I like that about your brain reverting to its female self. So true! To borrow a phrase, I feel like my poor brain was testosterone poisoned for years, and now she is free to be herself...myself.  :)

yep i see T as a poison too and yea it is a nice post - and :o at your avatar - norty!

Quote from: Patriciaz on December 06, 2008, 10:53:43 AM
Ladies,
This is a most interesting post. For the first time in my life I feel like the odd one out because I am - internally - a woman and am attracted to men. Would I go down on a man? Of course! And I don't want to get into all the delicious reasons; that would be a private conversation. When you are with somone you care about you do things to make him happy; this is , of course, a mutual sense of love, care, satisfaction, and pleasure.
The thought of being with a man makes me feel both sexually stimulated and emotionally excited. I find men attractive if they are kind, gentle, supportive and intelligent. That is what makes the physical aspect of a relationship function.
I wanted to add this as an, oddly enough, different opinion or point of view.
Patricia.

Call me naive and picky, but the only type of man I will ever be attracted to is an F2M, since I am biologically heterosexual.

Here's a table of what my relationship would look like

If I was in a relationship with

• F2M--heterosexual (no matter what happens)
• F--lesbian (biologically heterosexual)
• M2F--homoosexual (no matter what happens)
• M--biologically homosexual

I see every angle on this.

So as far as my sexual orientation...

I have been identified as legally heterosexual. I did have a one night stand in 2002 with another biological man, which did not result in a relationship since I had just got married. Since my first relationship with Amanda in 1986, I has been with women, and remains true to this day. However, after my SRS, I will identify as a lesbian (a transsexual woman in a relationship with a biological woman). In my autobiography I state, "I have always been in relationships with women, and I will remain with women. So [bleep] you all."

My F2M views are...
After I watched an episode of "The Maury Povich Show" ON MY BIRTHDAY (January 4) in 2004 or 2005, I've been highly critical of several transmen that caused a feud that has led to a butt-load of controversy. The feud goes back to when the transman was highly critical of me transwoman style for being "bland and boring," but at the time I didn't regret it.

That changed just last year, after watching news reports and seeing images of "The Pregnant Man," (Thomas Beatie) I show a little bit more respect for transmen, even though that I'll admit that I will probably never fall for a transman.

legally heterosexual

WTF is this nonsense?  Did you go to court and have them issue a decree?  Or fill out some form.  And, having one guy is one guy too much to be straight.  Congrads, you're bi, even if you didn't like it.

Quote from: tekla on February 09, 2009, 02:41:37 PM
legally heterosexual

WTF is this nonsense?  Did you go to court and have them issue a decree?  Or fill out some form.  And, having one guy is one guy too much to be straight.  Congrads, you're bi, even if you didn't like it.

Legally heterosexual in my terms are biologically heterosexual.

But no, I did not do this through the court system at all.

As my mother said, "That's what I raised you to believe."

Legals standards are very exact, not a matter of personal preference.

Quote from: tekla on February 09, 2009, 06:25:49 PM
Legals standards are very exact, not a matter of personal preference.

I knew that already.

Quote from: Patriciaz on December 06, 2008, 10:53:43 AM
Ladies,
This is a most interesting post. For the first time in my life I feel like the odd one out because I am - internally - a woman and am attracted to men. Would I go down on a man? Of course! And I don't want to get into all the delicious reasons; that would be a private conversation. When you are with somone you care about you do things to make him happy; this is , of course, a mutual sense of love, care, satisfaction, and pleasure.
The thought of being with a man makes me feel both sexually stimulated and emotionally excited. I find men attractive if they are kind, gentle, supportive and intelligent. That is what makes the physical aspect of a relationship function.
I wanted to add this as an, oddly enough, different opinion or point of view.
Patricia.

...exactly hahaha umm...Yeah. I feel a bit like the odd one here too sometimes.