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This is mostly for the MtF people but It would be neat if on of the brothers here started a similar thread for FtMs.

So, there are so many things that are generally considered typically male traits or characteristics like not asking for directions or scratching in public. what are three that that you have as MtF that you most likely will always have?

Mine:

1.)Reading in the restroom
2.)Love of Women
3.)playing with electricity or anything electronic.

Quote from: Emme on November 27, 2008, 12:11:19 PM

Quote from: Ellieka on November 27, 2008, 12:05:21 PM
This is mostly for the MtF people but It would be neat if on of the brothers here started a similar thread for FtMs.

So, there are so many things that are generally considered typically male traits or characteristics like not asking for directions or scratching in public. what are three that that you have as MtF that you most likely will always have?

Mine:

1.)Reading in the restroom
2.)Love of Women
3.)playing with electricity and blowing things up in the process.

Edited for truth. hehe

HEY! that Hydrogen explosion was a valid experiment!

I'm not certain about "reading in the restroom," Cami.

We have catalogs in the restroom and we both will look through them sometimes. I'm not sure that counts as reading. Could you help sort that out? :)

Nichole

Quote from: Nichole on November 27, 2008, 12:58:07 PM
I'm not certain about "reading in the restroom," Cami.

We have catalogs in the restroom and we both will look through them sometimes. I'm not sure that counts as reading. Could you help sort that out? :)

Nichole

lol! well it might just be unique to my family.

Growing up by brothers and I would take a book with us while "using the facility". My mother said that was a typical male thing to do. I still do that and some times I find nothing more relaxing then drawing a hot bath with some aromatic bath oil and just laying there with a good novel.

I always thought the reading in the bath was a more feminine thing but...

Lol I had an amazing plan to study for the math section of the SAT every time I went to the bathroom.  Didn't quite work. ;)

I think I have some 'male' traits:

1. I will wear something without washing it until it smells, looks dirty, or hasn't been washed in a month or two.  This applies for everything except underwear and socks, lol.

2. My socks have holes in them and I don't care.

3. Not a huge fan of the color pink.

1. Drag boat racing
2. being a father
3. Drag boat racing :o

Hmmm.. I have a few I guess

1. Attraction to women (and adoration of them)
2. Loving the NFL and MLB
3. Video games

Those are the ones that come to mind..

I'm not MtF though you could say I am transgendered in that direction. You could say Androgynes have free range of behaviour but I feel quite a strong rejection of being considered male so I guess that colors everything. So maybe this question still applies to me.

1. hunting
2. penis
3. steak dinners

Quote from: Nicky on November 27, 2008, 01:36:30 PM
I'm not MtF though you could say I am transgendered in that direction. You could say Androgynes have free range of behaviour but I feel quite a strong rejection of being considered male so I guess that colors everything. So maybe this question still applies to me.

1. hunting
2. penis
3. steak dinners

mmmmm stake!

wait, thats a male thing? DANG IT!

Hmm...

1. Being uncomfortable about other people paying for things. (Although I'm not so sure it's as much a typical male trait as it is just my personal values).

2. The desire to protect, and provide a feeling of safety and security, for the woman I love.

3. Um... *blank stare*

This is more difficult than I thought, because the way I think... I don't register any of it as being male, and never have... so the traits I possess, to me at least, are part of my identity, and therefore female traits... albeit my own particular female traits. If others percieve things as being typically male, so be it, but I don't really see it that way.

Lol, I just think in a very weird way, don't mind me. :embarrassed:

Anything I am thinking of has a typical feminine equivalent it seems. The below included.
1. Gamer
2. Programming and general technical IT junk, even if it drives me batty sometimes.
3. Um... Being the strong one usually, I suppose.

I don't watch TV and never liked sports, don't realy care for fishing and stuff like that.

I love reading anything that is mentally challenging

I enjoy shopping

I like hiking and swimming and camping during the summer months

I love spending time with friends on the web, and I love socialising and working with people.

I sold all my carpentry tools and mechanical tools and don't realy miss it that much except that I wouldn't  mind doing finishing work and small repairs in wood working. I like doing outside stuff like working in a garden mowing the lawn and didn't even mind shoveling snow, but there is no snow hare and i truly don't miss it

Well I guess some of the stuff I like doing could be appreciated by either sex.

Cindy

1. Watching Football.  Wait my ex wife does that too.  ???

2. Motorcycles.  I really want another one, I miss my baby.  Or at least a guy with one.  ;D

3. War movies.  Especially WW II.

Do those count?

None of you is going to miss watching the telly with your right hand on the remote & your left hand on your crotch? How come?  ::) Bahhh!

Quote from: Yvonne on November 27, 2008, 05:38:16 PM
None of you is going to miss watching the telly with your right hand on the remote & your left hand on your crotch? How come?  ::) Bahhh!

OMG!!! ROFLMAO! :laugh:

Quote from: Yvonne on November 27, 2008, 05:38:16 PM
None of you is going to miss watching the telly with your right hand on the remote & your left hand on your crotch? How come?  ::) Bahhh!

Never did that to begin with. ROTFL

How about putting the cell phone on vibrate in your panties and repeat dialing your own phone number while watching TV.  ;D Probably the only way I would watch TV.

Cindy

Hmmmmm, this turned out to be tougher than I thought, and even the two I came up with there are plenty of cisgendered women who enjoy them too, so yeah:

1. Enjoying martial arts and gymnastics. ( Though I equally enjoy dance - human beings have SUCH physical potential it's staggering. Sigh... )
2. Getting all competitive and "logic-ie/fact-based" in any kind of debate or argument. I WILL drown you in science. :P
3. uhm ... uhhhhh ... well ...

~Simone.

I couldn't think of three.

1. Drinking milk out of the carton.

I was going to put down stock car racing except I didn't start that until after my transition.

Karen Lyn

Quote from: KarenLyn1. Drinking milk out of the carton.

2. Video games?

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3. uhm ... uhhhhh ... well ...

Same here. :laugh:

Hmmm, yep me to like to dance, and I also love a good competitive debate on any of the many fields of science. Geeee it's been a while since I had someone to oblige me in a good scientific related debate. Then again I beleive that both of those are equal opportunities for both  males and females.

But then I am quite flexible, I feel just as much at home giving pointers of how to treat diaper rash or menstrual cramps to feeling just as much at home discussing the latest development in quantifying the sub atomic structure of the atomic particle of a quasar.  Yet again an equal opportunity in quantum physics.

And I love singing as well, I used singing as a training tool to feminise my voice. Again singing is an equal opportunity for both males and females and singing is also a universal language that all can understand.

I love a good challenge. Nothing wrong with a little cerebral gymnastics now and again, don't worry, your ears won't fall if you so indulge.

Cindy

I don't know if these are traits or learned through living;
1. not being very social-I think it was the way I was raised or not being able to fit in to social circles.

2. I'm very protective of others, especially to those who can't defend themselves; children and some women.

3.  I tend to become in charge when in groups. I don't try to be it just happens. I might do it subconsciencously.

Hi Sheila Yes I having had 11 children in my care through the years I can Identify with the protectiveness of children. I am a mild natured individual who would do anything to avoid aggressive behaviour but with a child in the way of this aggressive behaviour I believe my instinct would be to protect that child at any cost.

But I have never been a take charge person, leadership, I would sooner remain in the background, a follower.

Again equal opportunity positions.

Cindy

the only male trait i can think of is being a father, i refuse to be an uncle. it's aunt Mickie and i'm glad my sister finally figured that out on her own...lol

Well... I guess I'd rather think of them as "tomboy" traits but I do seem not to care too much for superficial thinking, I play videogames and know about computers, I'm awfully protective of my loved ones (though I guess that could be construed as 'wolf mother instinct') and I tend not to be afraid of men.
Maybe a sense of 'neatness at all times and in all places' was not instilled into me since I wasn't raised as a little girl, but I've known GGs who are much more messy than I so I don't know :)

1. male gender identity
2. occasional men's clothing
3. um . . . heavy metal?  Playing saxophone?  Are these considered masculine?

See, even the FtMs can have difficulty coming up with three.
Adrian

Quote from: Yvonne on November 27, 2008, 05:38:16 PM
None of you is going to miss watching the telly with your right hand on the remote & your left hand on your crotch? How come?  ::) Bahhh!

ROFL  ;D  I have always wondered why they do that.  Are they afraid that *it* may fly away or what?  *giggles*

tink :icon_chick:

Didn't really have any "male traits", not as far back as anybody could remember.

Disclaimer: I'm not transitioning, so this is hypothetical.

I'll reinterpret the original question slightly, and list stereotypical male activities that, ah, "well bred young ladies" are not supposed to do.

1. Eating standing up over the sink.
2. Allowing books, papers, electronic equipment -- and a high level of dust -- to pile up on every horizontal surface in my house.
3. The "right to refuse" when a woman asks me to mind her baby.


I wouldn't give up the following either. Yes, they're frequently associated with males, but plenty of women do these as well, so I wouldn't raise any eyebrows:

* Reading in the bathroom
* Love of women
* Playing with electronic equipment, computers, gadgets, etc. But not cars! Unlike most guys, I hate getting my hands dirty on stuff that's "oily" or "greasy."
* Refusing to call tech support until I've figured out the problem completely.
* Working in IT (hey, most of the women I know are in IT)
* Climbing ladders and mowing my lawn
* My cordless DeWalt drill ("You'll have to pry it out of my cold, dead fingers!")


Finally, I would give up the following stereotypical male traits ... but reluctantly (sigh!):

* The freedom to be slightly sloppy with my personal grooming, at least sometimes.
* The belief that black sneakers and white socks go with anything.
* Replying "No ->-bleeped-<-!" when appropriate (eg, in response to, "Our water was out for three days.")
* Farting & belching.

Quote from: Yvonne on November 27, 2008, 05:38:16 PM
None of you is going to miss watching the telly with your right hand on the remote & your left hand on your crotch? How come?  ::) Bahhh!

Huh?  You have your gadgets wrong, Yvonne! You're thinking of watching the computer monitor with one hand on the mouse and the other down your pants.

It's called one-handed surfing.

I had to think long and hard about these...

1.) Disliking wearing make-up (although my girlfriend, who is a genetic girl, rarely wears make-up either, so is it that odd?) BTW, it's not that I think I shouldn't be wearing it, it's just that I don't think it's necessary.
2.) Debating and arguing. Yes, I like doing both for some reason. lol
3.) Liking other women.

I also like playing video games, but I came up with two more unique ones instead... Plus my girlfriend loves playing video games as well. ^_^

I think video games are pretty universal these days. My Emme likes to kick my butt in Empire Earth.

 don't know if these are traits or learned through living;
1. not being very social-I think it was the way I was raised or not being able to fit in to social circles.

2. I'm very protective of others, especially to those who can't defend themselves; children and some women.

3.  I tend to become in charge when in groups. I don't try to be it just happens. I might do it subconsciencously. 



I noticed that the subject was male traits you will never give up. I put down some traits that I have that I would in a heart beat give up.

Math is human not male, dammit!
Chicks who climb rock ... rock. Same with chicks who climb ice. Even more so.
Chicks who like chicks rock too.

So, there you have three feminine traits (sometimes erroneously pervieved as masculine) that I will never give up.

Hmm difficult question
Loving to engage in intelectual debate of almost anything politics, religion, science and becoming very competitive
playing violent video games and watchibng action movies
being somewhat messy and unorganized and having very little fashion sense (I think black goes with anyhting and wouldn't be caught dead in pink) :P

Emme, my 6 year old daughter uses bathroom humor, so i don't see that as much as a male trait even with all the sick guys i use to work with...lol

Haha, some of the women around the area I live have an appreciation of toilet humour, and use of such, to the extent that would make a Navvie blush. ;D

"Hee, hee," How to fart in public. Tighten cheeks to dampen sound, smile hugely, wave by by, then hope it don't smell up the area to much.

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Cindy 

Quote from: cindybc on November 29, 2008, 12:21:35 AM
"Hee, hee," How to fart in public. Tighten cheeks to dampen sound, smile hugely, wave by by, then hope it don't smell up the area to much.

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Cindy

..lol..I'm sorry I just had to say lol to that. I know this ain't a topic for me to be in but.. I'll leave now *walks away giggling* bathroom humor is awful but funny sometimes

Yea I don't don't do bathroom humor often but this part of the thread was wide open for it. "hee, hee." Cindy the thread buster.

Okies since the tone has now been adequately lowered, my 3 are

1. peeing while standing.

2. love / hate tatoo's on hand's.

3. belching after every meal.

Have a nice day !! :P

Quote from: Vanna on November 29, 2008, 12:20:41 PM
Okies since the tone has now been adequately lowered, my 3 are

1. peeing while standing.
....

Even after full MtF SRS?? If so, my hat's off to you!!  ;D

Note to self: Get to the restroom before Vanna!

A funnel and a plastic tube? ;D

One thing about post-op you can start inventing new jokes. "hee, hee, hee.

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on November 29, 2008, 01:20:33 PM
A funnel and a plastic tube? ;D

One thing about post-op you can start inventing new jokes. "hee, hee, hee.

Cindy

LOL! This reminded me of a joke I saw on Youtube.

Post-op woman to her Doctor:

Her: Doctor, didn't you tell that after my GRS that I would never feel an erection again?

Doctor: Yes, thats correct.

Her: Well you were wrong. I have felt one afterwards.

Doctor: Really? Explain.

Her: I've felt several, but they weren't mine.

"ROFLMANIA!!!" ;D Good one. Believe me when you gits an orgasm it aint notin like before.  ;D I had all the sensations working at just a bit over two months post-op including the clit. I guess I was a fast bloomer. ooops maybe a wittle to much info huh? Woweth my virgin ears, well I am still a virgin. ;D

Cindy

Two months? Awesome! I hope I'm as lucky.

Just get a nice cushion to  kneel on and pray hard before bed time then Auntie Cindi will tuck you and your Dolly Annie in nice and snug then you can dream about daffodil fairies and pink dragons. "Hee, hee, hee."  ;D

Cindy

The old joke is that the girl sees a naked boy and asks her mother what the boy has.  "Its his penis" the mom says, "girls don't have one.  But if your very good, when you grow up you will get one."

So the daughter says "What if I'm very bad."

And the mom replies, "Then you'll get a lot of them."

obviously different moral codes, LOL.

Quote from: Emme on November 29, 2008, 02:59:17 PM
And here I thought it went like....

A little boy and little girl are talking one day.  The little boy says, "I have a rock."  The little girl says, "Yeah, I have a rock too."  The little boy reaches insid ehis pocket and says, "I have a quarter."  The little girl reaches inside her pocket and says, "Yeah, I have a quarter too."  The little boy is getting mad at this point.  He drops his pants, pulls out his equipment and says, "Oh yeah, well I bet you don't have one of THESE, do ya?"  The little girl drops her panties, lifts up her dress and replies, "Nope, I have one of these, and it'll get me as many of those as I want."

hahaha i love it :D Infinately true.

QuoteI, by word of the powers that be, am not allowed to disagree! so go for it!

Me too. And the meek shall inherit the earth.  ;D

Can you imagine being meek and shy when you were supposed to be a guy! Dread, Cindy hides under a rock, all that can be seen is her two eyeballs glowing in the dark blinking.  "Hee, hee, hee."

Cindy

Going fast(motorcycles)
Action movies
Barbeque

how is bbq a male thing? its awesome for everyone?

Quote from: MarySue on November 28, 2008, 01:11:46 PM

Quote from: Yvonne on November 27, 2008, 05:38:16 PM
None of you is going to miss watching the telly with your right hand on the remote & your left hand on your crotch? How come?  ::) Bahhh!

Huh?  You have your gadgets wrong, Yvonne! Youre thinking of watching the computer monitor with one hand on the mouse and the other down your pants.

Its called one-handed surfing.

Is it called one-handed surfing huh?  Id have never known that but it doesnt matter anyway.  Ill leave it to the pre-ops to figure it out.

Yes BBQ is supposed to be a male thing. How often do you see portrayals of women working the grill in the media? Not very often. It is kind of strange when you think about it logically though. Isn't cooking considered to be a woman's job? In an anthropology class I took they mentioned it when they were covering gender roles.

This is how it went:

- Women stay in the house and work. Men work outside the home.
- Cooking is normally a woman's job. But not outside of the home, god forbid she actually leave the house!

So cooking that takes place outside the home are for men: Guys work the grill, and guys work as chefs.  ??? Does this make sense? In a weird twisted way, yeah it does. Can it be justified by common sense? Umm... No it can't. Does any of this matter? No, because people don't think about why we do things like that. They just do them the way they learned, like robots.  :eusa_snooty:


ANYWAYS... Three typically male traits you will never give up?

1. Lots of video games! Violent ones too!
2. My snooty intellectualism!
3. Umm... I guess if I had to pick a third it would be my practice of wearing the same shirt\pair of pants until they actually start to pick up an odor or possibly just feel icky.

Quote from: Yvonne on November 30, 2008, 09:51:11 PM

Quote from: MarySue on November 28, 2008, 01:11:46 PM

Quote from: Yvonne on November 27, 2008, 05:38:16 PM
None of you is going to miss watching the telly with your right hand on the remote & your left hand on your crotch? How come?  ::) Bahhh!

Huh?  You have your gadgets wrong, Yvonne! Youre thinking of watching the computer monitor with one hand on the mouse and the other down your pants.

Its called one-handed surfing.

Is it called one-handed surfing huh?  Id have never known that but it doesnt matter anyway.  Ill leave it to the pre-ops to figure it out.

That sounds pretty elitist to me. What makes you think that as a pre-op, I should be able to figure it out better than you? Personally, I don't touch anything down there unless I absolutely have to.

Karen Lyn

Ring the door buzzer button. ;D

Cindy

1/Prideful in some respects
2/Taking absolute Command of any and all events/group projects I'm apart of
3/Fightong, I love the feel of Combat and the rush of fist to flesh.

Hm, I think I might just be a Tomboy, oh well!
PS
GAMER FOR LIFE!

1. hiking/camping/backpacking
2. competitive beer drinking
3. general geekery

1. My Type A personality...
2. Not asking for directions....
3. My tech toys.... (mine!) :D

Bethany  & Keri,

Both your selections 1 & 3
don't seem exclusively male to me
Your selections for # 2 I agree
They're typical male traits you see.


LOL
I couldn't help it. HELP! Stop me from watching the Grinch again!

Karen Lyn

Oh fun! OK, here are a few of mine...

(1) My love of martial arts and the confidence I have knowing how to defend myself.
(2) Hanging out in comic shops. (All the guys stare at you. Girls NEVER go in there!) *laughs*
(3) Being a father. I never liked my male name, but my ears will never tire of hearing the word "Daddy".

-Shan

Hi Shanian, excuse me for buttin in but I feel that hanging on to your interest in martial arts is a good one. Actually if you go to  TS support group they will recommend that you take some type of self defence course.

Crap happens, I had one bad encounter one night just crossing the street where I was attacked by a drunk, that encounter could have easily cost me my life if it weren't for the fact he was to drunk to be very dangerous, a couple of black eyes was all I got..

I also have a friend who is a counselor at a TS support group who came very near to having her face rearranged one night coming out of a highway underpass. She is truly a good looking girl and passes 100%. But that didn't matter to that big lummox she ran into that night.

Remember after a couple of years on HRT you ain't gonna have the same muscle mass as you had before. I wish I could take self defense but with the arthritis I have in some of my joints, it pretty well prohibits that from happening. But then I have my beloved, and she's a big, girl, she's my self defence. Just hide behind her and stick my tongue out at the would be offender. "hee, hee, hee." Seriously though, I really recommend self defence. 

Comic books, well I am 62 years old and still love comic books animes, cartoons,  and cartoon animations, and love drawing them to and make up little stories for kids about cartoon characters..

Cindy 

"Actually if you go to  TS support group they will recommend that you take some type of self defence course."

Hiya, Cindy! Actually, I think you and I have had that conversation!   :D

-Shan

Yea I suppose I mentioned it a couple times before but I thought the self defense one or martial arts was a good idea. Anyway back to the topic about male traits, looking back on any of the stuff I use to do could have been just as much done or performed  by either sex.

I could tell a few stories about this girl who was not just a friend but was my best buddy and the stuff we did, no other respectable girl would have of even thought of doing or would have gasped in disbelief, and this was in the sixties. I also had a tom boy for a sister, a speed boat freek. ;D Aaaah well I just talk to much anyway,

Cindy

 Other than caring for my Family I'm not sure there isn't anything that I won't modify or give up. I was sick to death of my life as it was. The real me is just starting out and I dont know who exactly who she will be or what she can use from his life.

Wendy

"Yea I suppose I mentioned it a couple times before but I thought the self defense one or martial arts was a good idea."

LOL

I didn't say it was a conversation we had online... *hint*

;D

Hmmm well ya gots me. I talk to a lot of people on and off line. Hmmm nice looking beau.
Vancouver huh, well now, how many people do I know there? Cindy chews on finger nail of right index finger. Takes finger out of mouth and shakes it at the monitor and says, "OK!" I ran out of fingers now taking my socks off. Ten toes later, OK, I give up. Cindy gets on knees clasping her hands before her and says, please tell me, tell me where do you hale from fair lady? 

Cindy

Quote from: shaniam on December 05, 2008, 05:32:40 PM
"Actually if you go to  TS support group they will recommend that you take some type of self defence course."

Hiya, Cindy! Actually, I think you and I have had that conversation!   :D

-Shan

Pepper spray and/or a handgun is just as effective if not more effective than any kind of kung fu.

I've been in martial arts my entire life, full front and side splits, able to take down a guy a foot taller than me and over 100 pounds heavier.  Fact is though that even when I went from 100 pounds to 150 pounds of muscle, was squatting triple my bodyweight and could pick 300 pounds off the floor and push it overhead, running 5 miles a day, I couldn't take out a guy who's had even minimal combat or martial arts experience.  Leverage and weight and testosterone are very powerful enemies, and I've learned my lesson brutally over and over again.

After you've been raped and assaulted enough times, it gets hammered into your head that if you're 5'2, you can't take someone who's 200+ pounds and 6 foot or taller, period.  And, you shouldn't even try.  I went to court one time for pulling a shotgun on a guy who had assaulted me, stalked me, and showed up at my house for charges of threatening with a firearm.
The judge looked at me, and then at that tall brute of a marine, and dropped my charges.
If I'd tried fighting using the MMA I've practiced all my life, I would have aonther scar on my heart and possibly a few broken bones, who knows what could have happened to me.

Quote from: Annwyn on December 07, 2008, 08:48:51 AMPepper spray and/or a handgun is just as effective if not more effective than any kind of kung fu.

Ah, but if you have pepper-spray AND some kung fu ...  >:-)

~Simone.

I don't like guns, I have my partner and if she wishes to get a fire arm for when we are traveling I will not say no. Otherwise i would rather avoid violence and aggression of any kind if at all possible.

Cindy

A good self-defense course shouldn't be on how to beat up a huge guy -- it should be on how to avoid the situation in the first place, or get out of it as fast and safely as possible. It might even include use of handguns.

Quote from: Annwyn on December 07, 2008, 08:48:51 AM

Quote from: shaniam on December 05, 2008, 05:32:40 PM
"Actually if you go to  TS support group they will recommend that you take some type of self defence course."

Hiya, Cindy! Actually, I think you and I have had that conversation!   :D

-Shan

Pepper spray and/or a handgun is just as effective if not more effective than any kind of kung fu.

I've been in martial arts my entire life, full front and side splits, able to take down a guy a foot taller than me and over 100 pounds heavier.  Fact is though that even when I went from 100 pounds to 150 pounds of muscle, was squatting triple my bodyweight and could pick 300 pounds off the floor and push it overhead, running 5 miles a day, I couldn't take out a guy who's had even minimal combat or martial arts experience.  Leverage and weight and testosterone are very powerful enemies, and I've learned my lesson brutally over and over again.

After you've been raped and assaulted enough times, it gets hammered into your head that if you're 5'2, you can't take someone who's 200+ pounds and 6 foot or taller, period.  And, you shouldn't even try.  I went to court one time for pulling a shotgun on a guy who had assaulted me, stalked me, and showed up at my house for charges of threatening with a firearm.
The judge looked at me, and then at that tall brute of a marine, and dropped my charges.
If I'd tried fighting using the MMA I've practiced all my life, I would have aonther scar on my heart and possibly a few broken bones, who knows what could have happened to me.

1. Yelling (violent) profanities while killing enemies in FPS games on the PC or PS3
2. Drinking larger quantities of beer
3. Enjoying anything featuring giant robots

Drinking beer
farting
belching
swearing
and arguing who has the best car and the biggest hard on.
Talking dirty about their wives.

Yuck, makes a girl appreciate she doesn't need to associate with the  type anymore.

Cindy

Amen......er Awoman, sister.

Janet

There's not much left that men do exclusively other than pee while standing up [oh, wait - I think I saw something on Ebay . . . ] - I don't do much anything that a typical male does . . . Oh, I'm building a cabin. Does that count? Probably not.

Ava's Traits she'll never give up.

• Being a father, even though I am the human pet father (since July 1990) of 7, pet grandfather (since November 1999) of 5, and pet great-grandfather (since January 2009) of 1.
• Have a relationship with biological women.
• Doing home improvements and handyman work

Sorry, that's all I've known and done for over 20 years.

I wish I could build a cabin out in the mountains and have lots of critter friends come and visit. But still be with my friends in town as well. ;D

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on February 10, 2009, 01:53:00 AM
I wish I could build a cabin out in the mountains.....

Cindy

That does sound so tranquil, I could see myself there.

Too bad I have to save to 'chop the only tree in my yard'
and get some 'facial landscaping done'.... ;D

  Nicole

Quote from: Vexing on December 08, 2008, 06:32:51 PM
1. Yelling (violent) profanities while killing enemies in FPS games on the PC or PS3
2. Drinking larger quantities of beer
3. Enjoying anything featuring giant robots

I'll take #1 and #3.  #2 is a no go - beer is nasty.  I'm a total girl as far as my drink selection goes, which can be embarassing when I go out (which is rare).

White man's fire water no good for injun. Save it for my pet dragon.

Cindy

I am a typical Irish girl.  Love Guniness.

Janet

Red Rose tea, what a shame, made in Canada only the Brits say.

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on December 08, 2008, 09:08:08 PM
Drinking beer 
farting
belching
swearing
and arguing who has the best car and the biggest hard on.
Talking dirty about their wives.

Yuck, makes a girl appreciate she doesn't need to associate with the  type anymore.

Cindy

I agree here. IMO, each one of these has a high yuck factor about them
I could not last around men like that for more than five minutes,
well not by choice anyway....when I am at work I have to deal with it
and it really makes me :icon_blah:

I gave it some thought but I don't know if I have any male traits.
I play a guitar and while I would say I am "band worthy" if asked,
I don't brag about it....so is it a male trait?

Come to think of it, I could never be in a band, all the bar gigs
and all the men drinking lots of beer and.... :icon_blah:

Nicole

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Hmm! Does this count?

I have a '95 Chevy stepside *muscle truck* all black
with a 454ci SS injun W/cold air induction, yanked from another chevy,
and a 5 speed stick. in the rear sits 4.10:1 teeth.

This truck is sweet and I could never  'give it up'

...So I guess I am guilty of having a male trait :icon_blah:

Swearing doesn't even count as a male trait anymore, women swear all the time and I know plenty that are way more foul-mouthed than I am.

In bars and night clubs, and rock concerts and at private booze parties. In general not in a public place where respect, courtesy and manners are kept if you wish to leave the impression of being a lady. So do gentlemen as well.

Cindy

If anything, the impression one gives in a club, bar, party, etc is more than in the street.... Rock concerts are very different to those, but i dont think any are more prone to swearing, or less.... its jus gone up in acceptable use overall...

Quote from: cindybc on February 10, 2009, 03:24:22 AM
In bars and night clubs, and rock concerts and at private booze parties. In general not in a public place where respect, courtesy and manners are kept if you wish to leave the impression of being a lady. So do gentlemen as well.

Depends on the social circle I guess, and maybe location -- living in a big city I can say that women swearing in public is an everyday occurrence.

Social circles, place of work or business or other public places, such as restaurants any place where you wouldn't want to come off sounding ignorant. Like for instant supermarkets or shopping malls. I mean it is any one's business and freedom to swear where ever they want, but you certainly ain't gonna come off appearing to be much of a lady, and actually you will be  attracting unnecessary attention to yourself. Do you need to be put under the microscope? Why make waves if it can be avoided?

Cindy   

I don't know about other areas, but where I live (a little town in connecticut) there is
a town ordinance against swearing in public and the police can impose a fine if they see fit.
(not that they are around when you need them)

I would think someone can get thier point across without all that profanity,
and it does say something about thier character when they can't/won't control thier
language in public. Especially around my four year old son who just loves to say new words.

  Nicole

There are times when only those words will do.

You have a point Tekla, there are times when only those words would do for me too.

But what about the times when it is not needed, like standing in line at a convenience store
etc...
and the people behind you are small talkin about the girls they met the night prior
using profanity mixed with other words at a ratio of 1:1

They seem so use it as part of thier language rather than in a heated situation....

...I must be getting old  :(

    Nicole

Verbal crutches. Most people grow out of them eventually.

Quote from: Alyssa M. on February 10, 2009, 09:18:53 PM
Verbal crutches. Most people grow out of them eventually.

Absolutely correct description....

Still makes you want kick the crutches out from them
and watch them fall so to speak. but that wouldn't be nice.  ;D

I have always believed that people use excessive profanity because they have a low IQ and even lower vocabulary.

And i belive society's fear of 'naughty' words is even funnyer....

It is rather comical isn't it? Growing up in our home my brothers and I were not even allowed to say the words "butt" or "crap"...  ::) While I don't like the use of profanity in general conversation, somehow yelling "OUCH" after cracking your head on a shelf is not near as satisfying as yelling some other explicative.

I dot see why the words are bad... i know they are... but WHY?

What would language be without words that shock?

It stems from the only bible teaching for most people.

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."

Matthew 12:36

Or at least thats what we were taught in Bible collage.

Quote from: Starbuck on February 10, 2009, 11:47:50 PM
I dot see why the words are bad... i know they are... but WHY?

s'pose that the words themselves aren't that bad if you think about it,
it is just a word after all.

But the derogatory meanings when used in certain contexts, well...it just is... bad! >:-)

  Nicole

Never thought of the F word as idle, seems active enough to me.  And a lot of language is cultural within the situation.  I work with people, at least some of whom are extremely well educated, but it's always been a kind of four letter word world, and we stick to that most of the time.

"The foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing is a vice so mean and low that every person of sense and character detests and despises it." ~ George Washington.

Nowadays the words have grown to encompass multiple meanings and sum up longer sentences.

Once a slang word for faeces now can be applied to "possessions" "drugs" "talking nonsense" (as in 'full of'), "a bad day" and even a replacement for "etcetera".

It's just very lazy linguistics, in my opinion.

TV/Movie/Game characters who are portrayed as rebellious and "edgy", use base language and swearing to get an adverse reaction, and to establish the character to the reader/viewer/player and create believability and realism. They also serve as role models for people who want to rebel against things in their own lives. It's seen as 'cool'. So it's a vicious circle. It's life imitating art imitating life.

"The foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing is a vice so mean and low that every person of sense and character detests, despises, and engages in it." ~ George Washington.

Fixed it for ya', Georgie! ;)

A lot of it is a vocabulary issue.  An entering college student in the early 60s had a working vocabulary of about 22K words, today, its between 12-13K, that a lot of lost ability to put shades of nuance into speech and writing.  I can tell the older posters from the younger ones based on vocabulary and grammar as the people over 50 tended to go to school back when such things were stressed.  And most of that you learn, not in college, but by 8th grade.  A high school student will have about 95% of the vocabulary they will ever have, college or not.

Quote from: Leiandra on February 11, 2009, 12:44:29 AM
Nowadays the words have grown to encompass multiple meanings and sum up longer sentences.

Once a slang word for faeces now can be applied to "possessions" "drugs" "talking nonsense" (as in 'full of'), "a bad day" and even a replacement for "etcetera".

It's just very lazy linguistics, in my opinion.

TV/Movie/Game characters who are portrayed as rebellious and "edgy", use base language and swearing to get an adverse reaction, and to establish the character to the reader/viewer/player and create believability and realism. They also serve as role models for people who want to rebel against things in their own lives. It's seen as 'cool'. So it's a vicious circle. It's life imitating art imitating life.

I guess that is why swearing is more permissible. I get that, but it doesn't justify its place in todays
language and it never should, at least when in public.

A now nervous Nicole sensing that she's gonna get taught a lesson Susan's style  :laugh:

Really I'm just thinking of the children, mine inparticularly
I recently saw my 15 y/o Daughter's my space page and was horrified  :icon_yikes:

  Nicole

I feel pretty much the same,Nicole. Kids these days are way to free with their language. I want to grab the nearest bucket of water and bar of soap when I hear them using a foul word after every other word .


Funny story,

When I was younger I was out in our front yard playing and the neighbor guy was out working on his van. His 6 year old son was right beside him with his bicycle turned upside down like he was working on it. All of a sudden he pinched his hand in the chain and yelled "God damn piece of s***!" To which his dad says, "RJ! watch your f****** mouth!"

LMAO  ;D :laugh:

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Oh gee, I just swore  ;D

The theory about low IQ/low vocabulary is nice and all, but it isn't actually accurate.  I've known plenty of incredibly smart people (with bigger vocabularies than mine, and mine is large already (I'm a writer, it's a necessity)) and they curse just as much as the more verbally-challenged among us.

I do agree that it can be a crutch, but sometimes it's just exactly what you mean.

I curse all the time.  Probably more than I should, but still, I don't think that says anything much about my intelligence.  My vocabulary is pretty large, I just don't have a need to speak like a dictionary outside of intellectual contexts.

Quote from: Vesper on February 11, 2009, 01:46:10 AM
I do agree that it can be a crutch, but sometimes it's just exactly what you mean.

That is justifying it's place in language. A person can say something that means exactly the same
without the profanity..it only provides emphasis for an ego.

Nicole

perhaps this is generational... i know there is a time and place for certain language, but im not as stuck on this being horrific!

You know, there was a time when the words "damn" or "bugger" were considered horrible profanities - my gran still gets a bit of apoplexy whenever I say bugger in conversation. So really, I think that "profanity", if there even is such a thing, evolves just as every other aspect of language does. Tekla pointed out earlier that kids today seem to have a much smaller vocabulary than older people, and to an extend I'd agree since we grew up very much more a visual generation than a vocal generation, but also, we simply grew up using different language in the same way that that they grew up using different language from what was used in the 1890's or 1920's, for example. Language is a dynamic thing that keeps evolving, and we probably have alot of vocabulary in our brains that older people don't have or won't accept, simply because they are newly invented words that older people still see as "slang". I mean, in what dictionary today are you going to find the verb to "google", and yet it's pretty-much part of our vocabulary now.

Mina.

I think 'google' has been added, as a verb.

Not certain if Google may have originated from the word googly, in dictionary meaning; a bowled ball that swerves in one direction and breaks in the other, or when I was a kid it also meant, in slang, looking googly eyed at a girl, I think it was depicted in Walt Disney cartoons as the eyes popping out of the characters head on springs.  ;D

And for the girl to have a guy looking at her *googly* eyed was faltering, causing her cheeks to redden, cross one leg over the other and fold her hands on her front while fluttering her long eye lashes. Well that's what Bugs Bunny's girl friend did anyway. "hee, hee, hee."

Cindy

Google, I would guess, came from the word 'Googolplex' Which is a name for the number one followed by a hundred zeroes. (Incidentally, Google's headquarters is called Googleplex.. go figure)

It's the use of the word 'google' as a verb, to use an internet computer search for information. 

swearing or not is more about the people you grew up around and the crowd you're in than any lack of intellectual capacity...

Quote from: tekla on February 11, 2009, 10:28:17 AM
I think 'google' has been added, as a verb.

Yay! My "official" vocabulary is bigger by one word then!  :D

I wonder if google-fu is in there too. ;)

Mina.

I do so agree with you Nero, it was and is what ever crowd you hang out with. Gotta Be like the rest of the gang or they will think I'm not with it, then I'll be just an odd ball.

Cindy

Some times telling some one "Go F*** yourself" gets the desired reaction but I find it just as amusing to tell them to "Go do something with yourself that the Bible would not approve of." Perhaps a bit more wordy but it still gets a satisfying perplexed look from the target.

I'm not opposed to the use of "cuss words" but I hate hearing them used ten times in a five word sentence.

I don't know, the first time I ever heard a complete sentence made up of nothing but the F word, as in F-ing F-er's F-ed, I have to admit I was almost impressed.

Quote from: Starbuck on February 11, 2009, 03:27:54 AM
perhaps this is generational... i know there is a time and place for certain language, but im not as stuck on this being horrific!

Makes sense from a younger generational perspective, but if/when you have children of your own
who like to use profanity like its going out of style, and society looks at you as being at fault when
it is society who is at fault, then tell me your opinion, I have a feeling it might be a little different.

Expulsion from school, the child sits in thier room too much cuz parents don't want thier kids
around the child cuz of thier potty mouth and when you go to approach the child to try to
help the situation the child simply tells you to leave them the F*** alone...It can be horrific!

But what do I know, I am just a parent who sees this happen all to often.

Nicole

Aside from the cultural stuff - which is never forced, no one on my stage is forced to refer to ever single item with the F word in front of it, but I'm sure not going to stop anyone from doing it.

But with kids the thrill of the forbidden is hard to resist. To the degree that you make a big deal of it, they figure out that its a big deal. 

Quote from: Nicole_M on February 11, 2009, 02:15:31 PM
Makes sense from a younger generational perspective, but if/when you have children of your own
who like to use profanity like its going out of style, and society looks at you as being at fault when
it is society who is at fault, then tell me your opinion, I have a feeling it might be a little different.

Expulsion from school, the child sits in thier room too much cuz parents don't want thier kids
around the child cuz of thier potty mouth and when you go to approach the child to try to
help the situation the child simply tells you to leave them the F*** alone...It can be horrific!

But what do I know, I am just a parent who sees this happen all to often.

Nicole

The language is not the problem there, its the kids dicipline, and how they were brought up. Children dont have to be bad, but they can get that way when they get that message from home, or are allowed to get that message from elsewhere and that its ok.... swearing is the syptom, not the disease

Quote from: tekla on February 11, 2009, 02:34:52 PM

But with kids the thrill of the forbidden is hard to resist. To the degree that you make a big deal of it, they figure out that its a big deal.

Sure do hope so, my daughter has me pulling my hair out, and I already don't have enough if it.

  Nicole

wow... you got this forum on bleeper?

Tbh, if you give her a good role model, and treat her right, she will get over it. She needs to realise being that way is bad.... ignore her more when she does it, when she messes up, punish her. and dont let her forget that will happen. most of all, show her love.

Quote from: Starbuck on February 11, 2009, 02:47:33 PM
The language is not the problem there, its the kids dicipline, and how they were brought up.

Way wrong IMO, and I pointed that out. Society's point of view

So what do you you suggest...beat the child to enstow discipline.

I'll admit I am at my wits end but I will never resort to that.

  Nicole

Look, there are 40-50K words in the English language and your sorting out a mere handful as being 'bad' because a bunch of bible jerks have somehow got it in their knickers that they are naughty words.  Intercourse them. 

I don't even use them (much) because I find that instead of asking "What's your F problem?"  I get a better response out of using my creative side and asking "What's wrong kid, you find out that when Daddy played with your sister she got a safe word and you didn't?"  Or, "Did your mommy catch you helping mister assistant minister make white tinkle after Sunday School again?" 

Note that lack of dirty words.  Note also, its much worse.

My kids grew up talking like that because my wife did, though being the educated type she really liked the eleven letter words more than the four letter ones, but they went to college, got good grades and it didn't ruin their life. 

Quote from: Starbuck on February 11, 2009, 02:49:41 PM
wow... you got this forum on bleeper?

I don't know what that means, perhaps its a way of saying leave it alone,
and maybe that would be best...I don't want people to dislike me
even though it is just me being diverse. anyway I enjoyed the discussion
and am going to try ignoring the situation with my daughter, but without
ignoring her of course, perhaps it may make a difference.

And Tekla, Noted... Yeah that is much worse.

Nicole

I also taught a lot of my crew some ASL (American Sign Language) gestures so that when they had to be quite they still could swear at each other.

She has learned those too...some anyway, I see it out the corner of my eye.

To the degree that people are offended by it, the kids will pick up on that, it gives them something that most kids rarely have, power.  To the degree that you don't care, they get bored with it.

Quote from: Nicole_M on February 11, 2009, 02:48:08 PM
Sure do hope so, my daughter has me pulling my hair out, and I already don't have enough if it.

  Nicole

Speaking as someone who was incredibly defiant towards my parents when I was younger (to the point where I dropped out of high school and they send me off to a therapeutic boarding school), the problem with your daughter has nothing to do with curse words being bad or good, and little to do with how she was 'brought up'

What it is is that she has feelings she needs to talk about, and she either doesn't know how to express them, or doesn't feel safe expressing them.  If you can find a way for her to be able to open up to someone (parent/friend/therapist/anyone) you will be far better off than if you try to focus on correcting her behavior.  The behavior is never the problem, it's just a symptom.

Now I've said this but I don't really know anything about you or your daughter and I could be way off the mark, but I spent years in that therapeutic boarding school and a lot of it rubbed off on me.  No matter what, it will take time before things get better.

Quote from: Vesper on February 11, 2009, 03:31:15 PM
Speaking as someone who was incredibly defiant towards my parents when I was younger (to the point where I dropped out of high school and they send me off to a therapeutic boarding school), the problem with your daughter has nothing to do with curse words being bad or good, and little to do with how she was 'brought up'

What it is is that she has feelings she needs to talk about, and she either doesn't know how to express them, or doesn't feel safe expressing them.  If you can find a way for her to be able to open up to someone (parent/friend/therapist/anyone) you will be far better off than if you try to focus on correcting her behavior.  The behavior is never the problem, it's just a symptom.

Now I've said this but I don't really know anything about you or your daughter and I could be way off the mark, but I spent years in that therapeutic boarding school and a lot of it rubbed off on me.  No matter what, it will take time before things get better.

You nailed it pretty good, to the point where I do have her in counseling.
Of course thier discussions are none of my business... ::)

Quote from: Nicole_M on February 11, 2009, 03:50:07 PM
You nailed it pretty good, to the point where I do have her in counseling.
Of course thier discussions are none of my business... ::)

That sounds good.  It's something I'm still dealing with my parents about.

Quote from: Nicole_M on February 11, 2009, 03:12:23 PM
I don't know what that means, perhaps its a way of saying leave it alone,
and maybe that would be best...I don't want people to dislike me
even though it is just me being diverse. anyway I enjoyed the discussion
and am going to try ignoring the situation with my daughter, but without
ignoring her of course, perhaps it may make a difference.

And Tekla, Noted... Yeah that is much worse.

Nicole

I meant you replied fast :)

Here's some advice for you young people, from your mother.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWsRTc807d8#hq (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWsRTc807d8#hq)

So, I'm a parent and my kid is off to college now but I remember having "the talk" about language.  I said that there are no such things as bad words.  There are only innappropriate people and situations to use some words.  The trick is to figure out what will fly in any given situation.  If your grandma asks how you are "->-bleeped-<-in' great" is probably not a good answer!

I also said that swear words have power.  They are meant to convey strong emotions.  Using them in common speech destroys their power.  So use them when you've got the right audience and situation or if you REALLY want to convey strong emotion. 

Curse words losing there power is annoying, but the abuse of the word "literally" is my pet peeve.

"When you use the word 'literally' to mean 'figuratively,' I 'literally' want to shoot you. Capisce?"  >:-)

I know a guy who was a Classics major in college who twitches every time he hears the word "tragic" to describe a natural disaster.

Quote from: Claire de Lune on February 11, 2009, 05:30:43 PM
There are only innappropriate people and situations to use some words.

Yes, I find it innappropriate, and I don't want my daughter growing up thinking that it is acceptable,
which is that much more difficult to do when her *outside* surroundings suggests that it
is acceptable, but it is out of my hands, seems society is raising my daughter...and not doing a very
good job.  :(


  Nicole

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Quote from: Alyssa M. on February 11, 2009, 05:13:45 PM
Here's some advice for you young people, from your mother.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWsRTc807d8#hq (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWsRTc807d8#hq)

Oh! I am sending this to my daughter's myspace or something...she has to see this  ;D

1: My love for cars. (You have to see my coffee table... it's littered with car mags.)

2: My love for women. (You should see me when I'm drunk at clubs/bars: "omigod. yer so pretty.")

3: My love for expletives when I'm angry. (It's not cute... but it gets the job done.)

I think, and can prove if I have to, that American kids are the most over medicated, over analyzed, bunch of kids ever in history.  Few kids can develop serious problems at such an early age except through transference.  Mostly its parents who don't want to parent kids, but want a perfect little adult child thing that they can show off like some sort of accessory. 

It's like that 'send it to her facebook' deal.  Why not just sit down and watch it with her?  How hard would that be?  Talk about it together, would that not be much more effective for you to be able to share with her - and in that, she might be able to open up and share with you a bit more too.  Perhaps.

Quote from: Nicole_M on February 11, 2009, 05:55:35 PM
Oh! I am sending this to my daughter's myspace or something...she has to see this  ;D

Quote from: tekla on February 11, 2009, 06:50:53 PMI think, and can prove if I have to, that American kids are the most over medicated, over analyzed, bunch of kids ever in history.  Few kids can develop serious problems at such an early age except through transference.  Mostly its parents who don't want to parent kids, but want a perfect little adult child thing that they can show off like some sort of accessory. 

It's like that 'send it to her facebook' deal.  Why not just sit down and watch it with her?  How hard would that be?  Talk about it together, would that not be much more effective for you to be able to share with her - and in that, she might be able to open up and share with you a bit more too.  Perhaps.

I can just see it:

"Honey, would you come to my office for a minute?"
"<sigh> Why mom?  ::)"
"Well, honey, I was just watching some clips from drag shows posted on YouTube, and I think that you'll find that this lady, Ms. Ivana K'nish, has a very important message about mother-daughter relationships to share with us."

Come on, Tekla, the problem with parents and children has always been the same: Nobody's handing out parenting licenses. All you have to do to make babies is have a little libido and lack of responsibility. And you can't really believe that children haven't always been accessories, can you? Every generation of parents and children has been an utter disaster. Yet somehow we muddle by. But maybe you're partly right -- I mean, kids these days and their social networking sites / video games / rock and roll music / flapper clothes / impressionist art / high German romanticism / polyphony. I tell you, they just have no respect for Gregorian chant -- no respect at all. Damn kids and their Palestrina.

But it could be worse -- they could be Baby Boomers. :P  :laugh:

Quote from: Alyssa M. on February 11, 2009, 10:52:43 PM
I can just see it:

"Honey, would you come to my office for a minute?"
"<sigh> Why mom?  ::)"
"Well, honey, I was just watching some clips from drag shows posted on YouTube, and I think that you'll find that this lady, Ms. Ivana K'nish, has a very important message about mother-daughter relationships to share with us."

I wasn't really going to send it to her.....I could just see her swearing over that one  :D

Her-> What the *blank* is this, she's always doing this *blank*. Is this some kind of *blanking*
messege cuz if so, I don't *blanking* get it!....Add in the head movement that I can't even
begin to imitate  :laugh:

1. Watching football. Though I'm told I squeal and jump up and down when my team scores and men apparently do no such thing.

2. Video games. (mostly role-playing games)

3. Love of women.

Hi Kytheragraves, What type of role playing games do you do if I may ask? I don't do video games, but I do love doing imagination games like in stories or pictures. :D

Cindy

Quote from: cindybc on February 13, 2009, 02:46:40 AM
Hi Kytheragraves, What type of role playing games do you do if I may ask? I don't do video games, but I do love doing imagination games like in stories or pictures. :D

Cindy

Hiya!

My favorite role playing games are the Final Fantasy series, but I also played World of Warcraft for six serious months when it was first released.

Imagination games in stories and pictures are fun too. I call those "writing". :D I do a lot of that too!

I know of Final Fantasy. Yes word pictures like actually writing a story with such detail that the reader can see what he/she is reading. I love writing but unfortunately not all have the imagination to follow my stories. It's like they forgot where they parked their imagination after they left their 10 year old imaginations in Puff the magic Dragon's parking lot in Hanalee.

I never forgot my child like fantasy and imagination, it's still alive and well and is really handy to have especially when there are children around. Good for firing up their little imaginations too. ;D

Cindy

My team is the 49ers, so that means we are like spiders in a jar or something! :D I can't believe your Hawks beat us twice this year even as the season circled the drain.

We aren't alone with this though. :D  My partner is a natal female and she likes the Giants and Steelers. Her mother loves the Giants too and pines for Tiki Barber to this day. Her mother's best friend is obsessed with Eli Manning. And at work my boss wears her Jets jersey on random Fridays.

I hate to point this out, but your Niners beat us 33-30 in OT at Qwest last year... grrr :)

Your S.O. is breaking a cardinal rule, though.. One cannot serve two NFL masters :) I'll admit I used to like a lot about the Niners before we were division rivals... Jerry Rice is my all-time favorite Non-Seahawks player.

You should check out my blog sometime... or just drop me a line

Off topic, sort of.

I have two favorite teams.  The Hawks of course.  And any team playing the Bears.  Sorry Step Son....NOT  :laugh:

Quote from: mtfbuckeye on February 15, 2009, 10:13:10 AM
Y'all are the only people online that know my blog is run by a transperson.. ha ha :)

Us all, and possibly also anyone doing a google search for your site! Sorry to be paranoid dear, but...

Z

Man, I'm pretty frakking stupid, huh? :)

Quote from: mtfbuckeye on February 15, 2009, 02:41:19 PM
Man, I'm pretty frakking stupid, huh? :)

Not stupid at all hun! I just tend to be cautious about this sort of thing and figured I'd point it out. You can easily delete the link from your post. I should talk, I've had my picture up here, and probably said all kinds of things that could be a hassle depending on who read them  ;) Really, it's too bad that we should even have to worry about it. Someday, in a perfect world...

hugs!

Z

Extreme laziness I guess for one and a tendency to get wound up when people are aggressive.

Neither are really gender specific but I tend to see them that way.

1.  occasionally pee standing up (at home)
2.  love to watch MLB
3.  ????

1. Desire to protect those I care about physically. (I.e. Fighting instinct)

2. Video games

3. My desire to compete, even if on a stupid dare or bet. Such as my one experience at free running.

you know, I read this whole thread thinking I'd reply with the "typical female things I will keep" but I just keep drawing a blank. I could list the protection instinct as the "motherly" protection instinct is every bit as strong as the masculine-attibuted guard-instinct some of the mtf's are talking about.. but since both sexes/genders stereotypically are "protective", I don't feel like I can really list that.
So on, So forth, through all kinds of little things I could refer to.. none struck me as more feminine than masculine.
I was going to say "shoes", but not even that seems like a femme thing...