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NEW YORK – A worker was killed in the crush Friday after a throng of shoppers eager for post-Thanksgiving bargains burst through the doors at a suburban Wal-Mart, authorities said.

At least four other people were injured, and the store in Valley Stream on Long Island was closed.

Wal-Mart Stores Inc. in Bentonville, Ark., called the incident a "tragic situation" and said the employee came from a temporary agency and was doing maintenance work at the store.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081128/ap_on_re_us/wal_mart_death (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081128/ap_on_re_us/wal_mart_death)



i love their last statement: The safety and security of our customers and associates is our top priority," Fogleman said. "Our thoughts and prayers are with them and their families at this difficult time."


thats why they require transwomen to use the mens room. some safety if you ask me.

Well two people were killed by gun fire in a ToysR US in Ca today. Spread the holiday spirit. Consume.

Quote from: The Only Warrior Princess Mickie on November 28, 2008, 01:55:57 PM
didn't know where to put this other than here....move it if it need be please.

Mickie,

I moved this to General discussions since it wasn't LGBT specific.

Thanks for posting it, sad news, this and also the ToysRUs story.

Makes me want to go into hibernation for a few decades in the hopes that the world will be a more compassionate place when I return...

Z

That poor man wasn't even 40 years old yet.  To add insult to injury, he was from a temp agency.  This happened to someone who they wouldn't hire straight out because they're too cheap to care for their employees.

Dang ridicules.  People need better control, and these stores need to limit the numbers of how many can come in at a time.  Next thing know going have to have police lined up outside every store on black friday.  Still even then probably wouldn't do much good.  People are so concerned about getting the perfect gift they rather stand out waiting to face a hellhouse and trample people than look for sales by other means.

Exactly why I hate the holiday season, people just go insane.

I heard people were camping out in front of stores for days.
What the hell?
Camping out to go shopping?

Seriously, people need to get a life and a clue.

Wow, just wow. :icon_blink:

the police are reviewing the tape to see who walk on the employee.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/ap_on_re_us/wal_mart_death;_ylt=AgiMkIlSQX3yOTnpFoUR4QSs0NUE (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/ap_on_re_us/wal_mart_death;_ylt=AgiMkIlSQX3yOTnpFoUR4QSs0NUE) 

There has been a movement - not very successful I might add - called "Buy Nothing Day, which boycotts Black Friday for a number of reasons.  This one as much as any.

Quote from: tekla on November 29, 2008, 03:32:10 PM
There has been a movement - not very successful I might add - called "Buy Nothing Day, which boycotts Black Friday for a number of reasons.  This one as much as any.

I've celebrated it for a few years since I first heard of it. I've always disliked society's reducing the holidays to a shopping spree. And this recent event just adds to reasons for it.

Z

QuoteI've always disliked society's reducing the holidays to a shopping spree

It is marketing not society. People follow the media like sheep.

Quote from: lisagurl on November 29, 2008, 04:55:40 PM

QuoteI've always disliked society's reducing the holidays to a shopping spree

It is marketing not society. People follow the media like sheep.

Our society enables the marketers to exist, and yes, people also let themselves be manipulated.

Z

The police should have shut the registers down and cleared the store.
but they would have had a riot if they did that.

Quote from: tekla on November 29, 2008, 03:32:10 PM
There has been a movement - not very successful I might add - called "Buy Nothing Day, which boycotts Black Friday for a number of reasons.  This one as much as any.

every day is 'buy nothing day' for me.   :'(

Quote from: Kate Alice on November 29, 2008, 05:29:20 PM
The police should have shut the registers down and cleared the store.
but they would have had a riot if they did that.

I know. The people will riot over shopping, but not over a useless war. 

Bah! Humbug!              :P

My rule of thumb is, if I don't have your Xmas present by Halloween, you ain't getting one.

my rule of thumb is much shorter - "you ain't getting one."


It makes it easy.

sure, i don't get anything, but i don't want anything.

Quote from: Aiden on November 28, 2008, 10:04:02 PM
Dang ridicules.  People need better control, and these stores need to limit the numbers of how many can come in at a time.  Next thing know going have to have police lined up outside every store on black friday.  Still even then probably wouldn't do much good.  People are so concerned about getting the perfect gift they rather stand out waiting to face a hellhouse and trample people than look for sales by other means.

I thought I'd read somewhere that the store already had police on site.

Also, to be perfectly fair, not many people in America are familiar with mob stampedes.  We really don't have the population density where we'd experience that danger frequently, but we do have just enough density in places that a lot of us have become accustomed to crowds and blind to the threat.

... not to mention that a lot of us believe that people are better than this.

People - as individuals - are better than this.  However, all people are animals first, and this is just herd mentality.  A much baser, and stronger, instinct.

Not to divert the thread, but does anyone find it sad and ironic that this kind of frenzied mass consumption should be right in line with what all the policy wonks are prescribing in order to end the recession?  "Spend, spend, spend!  Don't save, saving is evil!  Consume mass quantities!"

I like how at the end of the article they throw in some of the deals at Wal-Mart. "Hey look, this employee got killed because of reckless shopping crowds, but then again, look at the deals they were after." Ugh, makes me sick.

People were refusing police orders to leave the store, even after they were told they'd trampled someone to death.  They didn't care.

173 million Americans went to stores this weekend commanded by marketing. When will the public start to ignore the commands of big corporations and start to think for them selves.

Nah, we have TV, its programing the next generation of consumption even as we speak.

Anyone having visions of Orwell's 1984?

We were way past 1984 by 1984.

Quote from: tekla on December 02, 2008, 12:46:31 AM
We were way past 1984 by 1984.

Shhhhh, you have to break it to them slowly.

Quote from: Leslie Ann on December 02, 2008, 01:08:24 AM

Quote from: tekla on December 02, 2008, 12:46:31 AM
We were way past 1984 by 1984.

Shhhhh, you have to break it to them slowly.

I believe that Orwell wrote it in 1948, and flipped the numbers. It was already there then.

Z

I think that is correct, minus the TV stuff.

Quote from: Zythyra on December 02, 2008, 09:17:23 AM

Quote from: Leslie Ann on December 02, 2008, 01:08:24 AM

Quote from: tekla on December 02, 2008, 12:46:31 AM
We were way past 1984 by 1984.

Shhhhh, you have to break it to them slowly.

I believe that Orwell wrote it in 1948, and flipped the numbers. It was already there then.

Z

That was a good point.

God how absolutely repugnant, how on earth can anyway care so much about anything that ->-bleeped-<-eous store sells that they would actually trample a man to death for it?????

Tragic indictment of how consumerist the western world has become that things like this are by no means a rarity.

Quote from: milliontoone on January 23, 2009, 03:40:31 PM
God how absolutely repugnant, how on earth can anyway care so much about anything that ->-bleeped-<-eous store sells that they would actually trample a man to death for it?????

Tragic indictment of how consumerist the western world has become that things like this are by no means a rarity.

Yes it happens at rock concerts, sporting events, night clubs, demonstrations, etc. Mob mentality is what happens when people stop thinking for them selves and follow the crowd.

I remember seeing that on the news. It is sickening to say the least.
It makes you wonder how society can revert back to behaving like a herd of cattle or some other stampeding animal.
The guy was a good sized security guard. He went over to unlock the doors for the opening of the sale.

Mobs have no mentality. 

It makes you wonder how society can revert back to behaving like a herd of cattle

Its not like its all that far a trip.  Get Real.

Quote from: tekla on January 24, 2009, 04:34:07 AM
It makes you wonder how society can revert back to behaving like a herd of cattle

Its not like its all that far a trip.  Get Real.

Yeah, I've worked places where that is evident and I think you have also. But I still can't accept or understand such behavior. Then again, I did like to jump into mosh pits in younger days

of course, moving with the crowd is the best way to avoid being trampled.

I prefer cutting their feet off.