Susan's Place Transgender Resources

just when you thought that the good doctor (& i'm using that term loosly) could not sink any lower, this idiot (paho) finds a way, on todays show he brought back those two lgtb haiting idiots to spew their hate, and the worse part was they had a resonable well adjusted boy/girl (i'm really not sure if that's even the right term if it's not i'm sorry) and she seamed well adjusted and happy i mean she appered to be an averge girl loves video games clothes and purses. and these idiots were like "dur you can't be a girl your a guy" goddess i just wanted to slap the taste out of that fools mouth.

Dr Phil hosted a show on transgender children and how to deal with the issue. He acted mainly as the moderator.

Overall Phil did good. He didn't rip the parent of the TG girl apart like he did the trans dad some time ago (wouldn't have been appropriate). He seemed to give the pro-transition supporters more talk time.

But the one who really took control was the mom of the TG girl. She was fuming when the religious right side told her how to eradicate the "gender confusion" from children. One of them wrote a book on how to make your gay child go straight!

Just wondering what anyone who saw the show thought...

I saw part of it and every time this moron has a show that is about Transgender people I just want to scream.

I was so upset I sent the following Emial to the show and yes I would appear on the show.

QuoteDr. Phil always has those Christian bigots on when he has any show on Transgendered or Transsexual.  I am a Male to Female Transsexual and your shows do nothing but create hatred for our community.  Why don't you show how so many people are now happy.  I am very happy and blessed to live in a state where I can grow and become the woman i should have been.  You have so outraged the GLBT community that you are a laughing stock.  You are referred to as Dr, Fool.  You have no idea to who, what and why we choice to transition.  It is not a matter of we want to do this, we have to.  Do you really think that I would choose to go thru all the surgeries I face and the prejudgeus that can come with this.  You are an idiot.  No one chooses to go thru this, just as no one chooses to have MS.  Get real and realize that not everyone is the Bigoted Christian Right.  We have just as much right to be us as you have to be dead wrong.

Janet

I'm not so certain that telling him he's a fool is the best way to get invited on.

Dr. Phil Invites Bigots On TV To Taunt Mother of Trans Teen
Queerty
Posted by Japhy Grant
Jan 13, 2009


http://www.queerty.com/dr-phil-invites-bigots-on-tv-to-taunt-mother-of-trans-teen-20090113/ (http://www.queerty.com/dr-phil-invites-bigots-on-tv-to-taunt-mother-of-trans-teen-20090113/)


Auuugh! Head exploding! Fake therapist and lawsuit magnet Dr. Phil is using his made-up witch doctor talk-show to discuss with the mother of a transgendered teenager, the difficulty she's had with watching her son become a woman. So, who does Dr. Phil have on as guests? Well, on one-side (of an artificially created dichotomy that makes it look like there's real scientific debate about whether gender-identity is inborn or not) is psychiatrist Dr. Dan Siegel and psychotherapist Dr. Michele
Angello and on the "other side of the the debate" is "family
researcher Glenn Stanton and psychologist Dr. Joseph Nicolosi."

I saw part of this while eating in a restaurant today, made me sick to my stomach. I knew since it was DR Phil that it would be bad but it exceeded even my low expectations. Did you all know that TG is a creature of nurture rather than nature. That it's a choice, a phase, that we just need to be made to man it up and we will come out ok.

This man needs to stop talking about Topics that he has absolutely no expertise on.

This man needs to stop talking about Topics that he has absolutely no expertise on.

That would limit his shows to topics about fat bald guys.

I don't watch Dr. (psssssh!) Phil. With YouTube, DVDs, web articles, and ACTUAL psychology shows at my disposal, I have NEVER seen more than 1 Doc. Phil ep. You mean to tell me that this guy, who I assumed was another trained and caring professional seeking to help people, who just so happened to have his own show, is actually NONE of the above (minus the show)? You are saying he brought her there, along with two (from what I gather, they had been on the show before) former visitors, simply to bash her out of her normal and adjusted life and put her into mental turmoil during the show? To try to humilate her and convince her that she couldn't be a girl because she was a boy? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME? :icon_shakefist:

...Dr. Phil MUST DIE! :icon_burn: *Sorry, internet memes are taking over right now. But I HAD to say it.*

Seriously, if that's what you are telling me, I'm GOING to watch the show to see JUST HOW MUCH of a jack-ass Dr. Eggface is. Just because you have PhD(s) doesn't mean you are right because you say so, it doesn't mean that you have the right to abuse that piece of paper. If you abuse it, that just makes you a jack-ass with a very expensive piece of paper that says "I spent xxx years of my life getting this expensive piece of paper that makes me a pre-eminant jerk." I sure hope that young lady was alright.

Thanks, Krisalyx. I thought Phil was a caring person, like a male Oprah of psychology. I was wrong, it seems.

I'm OFF to go find some videos of Dr. Phil, and determine for myself! AWAAAAY!

Why do people listen to someone who even LOOKS like Dr. Phil?

He even SOUNDS retarded.

QuoteWhy do people listen to someone who even LOOKS like Dr. Phil?

He even SOUNDS retarded.

Lol, I agree.

well yes it's the second or third time that idiot brought back those 2 (pahos) back again & all those fools did was sit around and just gay bashed for about 45 minutes, i mean i was fuming mad i was so mad i literly wanted to punch out those idiots. oh and don't every time he brings these "so-called experts" these two fools just mock and bash i mean you could lump them with at least half of the so called psych therepist in the country, and if your going by the other site there are a lot more of these quacks around, i mean really i know what i am up here (pointing to my head) and here (touching my heart) then some idiot quack thinks.

Actually no big difference for the first doctor that tried to be my gendertherapist.

Quote from: tekla on January 13, 2009, 11:17:06 PM
This man needs to stop talking about Topics that he has absolutely no expertise on.

That would limit his shows to topics about fat bald guys.

I think you just answered the who would watch him question.
But even though I don't care much for Dr. FlimPhil. I do my best to not disrespect others. I'm tall, thin and have a full head of hair. But I don't go telling heavy set bald men rude remarks. Even when they do piss me off. I feel for the family that got abused on his show

oh great the "good"  doctor strikes again oh goddess he's had the same two arse's twice now and what good has it done, it's probally made straight people hate us even more, jackasses, but the girl that was seen she really seamed really well adjusted i mean she was like i'm a girl deal with it! and i loved that and she seemed so happy with herself and thats great, just as long as those biggots stay away from her she'll have a happy life i hope.and it's phrase, no frak you dr phill (i hope this is allowed) it's not a choice i mean it's not like i woke up one morning and decieded "oh i'm a girl" bull->-bleeped-<-e i've been crossdressing when i was in college, and came out first as gay about goddess it's been at least 9 - 10 years now but after i thought about it i'd always liked both boys & girls so here i am bi & i crossdress has anyone else had this sort of problem. oh and for the most part i'm (for the first time in a while) comfortable and happy with myself, but i do have problems that i have to be even more careful when i go out besides being bi besides crossdressing i'm handicapped it's just mostly my legs and no i don't use a walker nor a cane but if i pulled down my girl pants and my stockings and my hose you'd see i've got masive post op scars running down both sides of my legs i mean i can walk but if i don't consitrate i'll fall or i'll hurt myself badly.

You never know.  It depends on his ratings this quarter.  He always gets higher ratings when he has controversy.  And having a well adjusted transsexual would be a good offset to the gay/trans bashers as if that truly shows both sides of the issue.

I too did offer to be on Dr. Fools show.  It's been a coup;e of months, but so far no one from his show has contacted me about coming to Hollywood for a taping.  Ah well...

-Sandy

Quote from: Susan on January 13, 2009, 11:08:02 PM
I saw part of this while eating in a restaurant today, made me sick to my stomach. I knew since it was DR Phil that it would be bad but it exceeded even my low expectations. Did you all know that TG is a creature of nurture rather than nature. That it's a choice, a phase, that we just need to be made to man it up and we will come out ok.

This man needs to stop talking about Topics that he has absolutely no expertise on.

I've never seen a Dr. Phil Show, of course I don't see TV period, but from all I have heard and read does anyone expect him to say anything but "man up"?

Isn't that his one answer to everything? :)

Apparently that's the answer that fat bald guys give when the going gets tough!  >:-)

Nichole

Quote from: Susan on January 13, 2009, 11:08:02 PMThis man needs to stop talking about Topics that he has absolutely no expertise on.

Maybe because he has an agenda to legitimize transphobia and anti-trans therapy as science by bringing in pseudo-experts to "prove" it's not what it is, simply being human and perfectly normal? He's doing on TV what the transphobic psychologists are doing to the DSM standards, trying to legitimize morality.

Quote from: SusanK on January 14, 2009, 08:42:30 AM

Quote from: Susan on January 13, 2009, 11:08:02 PMThis man needs to stop talking about Topics that he has absolutely no expertise on.

Maybe because he has an agenda to legitimize transphobia and anti-trans therapy as science by bringing in pseudo-experts to "prove" it's not what it is, simply being human and perfectly normal? He's doing on TV what the transphobic psychologists are doing to the DSM standards, trying to legitimize morality.

I wouldn't call it morality at all. Trans is not a moral issue, it's a medical issue. And gay is not a moral issue, it's just part of the human spectrum. If we think there's morality attached to that, then there's morality attached to eye colour and height.

Dennis

Trans Youth Discussed on Dr. Phil
Filed by: Guest Blogger
January 14, 2009 12:00 PM

http://www.bilerico.com/2009/01/trans_youth_discussed_on_dr_phil.php (http://www.bilerico.com/2009/01/trans_youth_discussed_on_dr_phil.php)

Editors' note: Frequent guest blogger Monica Helms is the president of TAVA, the Transgender American Veterans Association.

First of all, I have to say up front that I am not a fan of Dr. Phil. Never have been. He comes off as being a pompous, arrogant know-it-all most of the time. Yet, on January 14, 2009, I have to say that he impressed me on how well he presented his show called, "Little Boy Lost," a sequel to the show he had called, "Gender Confused Kids," which aired October 24, 2008. From all of what I read and heard, that first show was not taken very well by the transgender community. This new show quickly made up for that.

On this show, Dr. Phil had Glenn Stanton, researcher for Focus on the Family and psychologist Dr. Joseph Nicolosi from the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH,) both saying it's the parent's job to guide their child away from what they call a "phase." On the other side of the debate was psychiatrist Dr. Dan Siegel and psychotherapist/sexologist Dr. Michele Angello, a good friend of mine. They say children are born this way and parents should support their children in their decision to transition to the opposite sex.

Quote from: Julie Marie on January 13, 2009, 05:49:21 PM
Overall Phil did good. He didn't rip the parent of the TG girl apart like he did the trans dad some time ago (wouldn't have been appropriate).

Both he and his people chose who would be on and they picked the most ignorant it's a choice people to offer a counter view that they could find. So I wouldn't give him any credit on how the mother did she most likely surprised them with her ability to defend her child...

Did we see the same show?

I've never watched Dr. Phil before yesterday but I did hear about how he handled the MTF parent. It left me never wanting to make any effort whatsoever to watch his show. About as close as I've ever gotten to watching Dr Phil is seeing Frank Caliendo impersonate him, which is pretty funny.

But yesterday I decided to watch Phil in action expecting him to behave just as poorly as he did with the TG mom. But I never saw that because all he really did was moderate.

Now the mother of the 13 year old TG girl did express her anger at being put onto a stage with the two bigots who had been on a previous show about TG kids and it was nice to hear her vent at them. To his credit, Phil allowed her to say pretty much what she wanted. And overall I'd say the pro TG side got a lot better treatment than the anti-TG side.

The psychiatrist sitting next to Toni (the mom) made an excellent point when he said the anti-LGBT therapist was dead wrong suggesting kids are turned gay or trans if they have an over involved mother and the camera scan of the room showed a lot of women in full agreement of that.

From what I saw, the anti people walked away pretty beaten up. True to that type of person, they seemed unconvinced they are anything but right but they still got a lot of bad press.

I have a feeling Phil will be doing something like this again. He did say he'd have to increase bandwidth on his website because this subject gets a lot of people up in arms. I guess we'll see how the next one goes.

Julie

You do know he lives and dies on ratings, not approval.  And if you watch it, that a tick for him, no matter how much you hate what he says.  Do what Nichole suggests.  Blow up your TV.  Don't watch him.  Don't write about him.  Ignore him.  He might not go away, but the TV show sure as hell will.

Quote from: tekla on January 15, 2009, 12:55:10 AM
You do know he lives and dies on ratings, not approval.  And if you watch it, that a tick for him, no matter how much you hate what he says.  Do what Nichole suggests.  Blow up your TV.  Don't watch him.  Don't write about him.  Ignore him.  He might not go away, but the TV show sure as hell will.

The only channel I ever watch is History... Screw most other channels. Why should I waste my time?


I agree with this. I get mad at my mom when she watches trash-horrid tv, and she tells me to be quiet. I tell her that watching it is only making TV worse. Its sad she'd sink as low as, "Americas next top X,y,z, hippopotamus sex super mega show!"

You know... THOSE shows.

The only time I've seen Dr. Phullustuff is on the David Letterman show. I thought he was a comedian. But hurting families, especially young folk is wrong in my book. Those people will go home with that hurt inside. Maybe take it out on each other. Hopefully LOVE will prevail and they will comfort each other and grow stronger.

Quote from: Virginia Marie on January 15, 2009, 03:26:05 AM
The only time I've seen Dr. Phullustuff is on the David Letterman show. I thought he was a comedian. But hurting families, especially young folk is wrong in my book. Those people will go home with that hurt inside. Maybe take it out on each other. Hopefully LOVE will prevail and they will comfort each other and grow stronger.

Well maybe people should just not go on his show. There wouldn't be family blow-outs on the scale of, "Hey we went on the effing show to solve our differences!" If my mom told me that I was to be on Jerry Springer, I would spit in her eye, and break something, and that'd be the end of it. I'd probably blow up her Tv. I'd take some styrofoam and gasoline, and make a television salad. Then I would send his television show my reply via the postal service, and send him a few anal beads or something and write, "These are for you. PS: Clean them first" (No, they wouldn't be used. Its just a fear tactic. Terrorism is lovely when there's no killing involved.)

If people didn't go on his show, or Maury, or Judge Judy, or any of those friggin  awful people, tv at that time of day wouldn't be such filth and I'd actually use the box for once.

I like your attitude, kid.

I'm looking for a mass murdering sidekick and you just may be the one.  Fill out an application and leave it at my office, will you?

Yes. The two of us would cut, burn, and mangle a path across this planet that will go unmatched for all eternity. Our anger will be seen from the moon.

Quote from: Rebis on January 15, 2009, 07:54:51 AM

I like your attitude, kid.

I'm looking for a mass murdering sidekick and you just may be the one.  Fill out an application and leave it at my office, will you?

Yes. The two of us would cut, burn, and mangle a path across this planet that will go unmatched for all eternity. Our anger will be seen from the moon.

.. er, have you guys thought about switching to decaff?

-Sandy(Let me know when it's safe to come out)

no way decaff.

It does nothing for my ultra-violence.

Quote from: Rebis on January 15, 2009, 11:32:00 AM
no way decaff.

It does nothing for my ultra-violence.

Tony Burgess would be proud.

-Sandy(and Stanley Kubrick)

Quote from: Rebis on January 15, 2009, 11:32:00 AM
no way decaff.

It does nothing for my ultra-violence.

*Sneeze*Sephiroth!*sneeze*

Actually I agree. Decaf is for losers..

Quote from: Kara-Xen on January 15, 2009, 12:21:39 PM

Quote from: Rebis on January 15, 2009, 11:32:00 AM
no way decaff.

It does nothing for my ultra-violence.

*Sneeze*Sephiroth!*sneeze*

Actually I agree. Decaf is for losers..

Someone should shoot whoever invented Decaf.  >:-) Wait, I'm the non violent type  :laugh:

I just saw this on TV, lol.

(warning - contains strong language)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=93mT-2UWntU#noexternalembed (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=93mT-2UWntU#noexternalembed)

HUM.  That sounds like a good idea.  What was Jigsaw's number again.  Oh yeah, 5.  Let's give him a call.  >:-)

Janet

Quote from: tekla on January 13, 2009, 11:17:06 PM
This man needs to stop talking about Topics that he has absolutely no expertise on.

That would limit his shows to topics about fat bald guys.

QFT

Quote from: Leiandra on January 16, 2009, 07:40:31 PM
I just saw this on TV, lol.

(warning - contains strong language)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=93mT-2UWntU#noexternalembed (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=93mT-2UWntU#noexternalembed)

That is some crazy funny stuff  :laugh: >:-) :laugh:

Quote from: Susan on January 14, 2009, 01:08:43 PM
Both he and his people chose who would be on and they picked the most ignorant it's a choice people to offer a counter view that they could find. So I wouldn't give him any credit on how the mother did she most likely surprised them with her ability to defend her child...

Of course they've picked the most ignorant people to be on. Anyone they approach to be on the show who has half a brain will say, "No, thank you."

Quote from: Rebis on January 15, 2009, 11:32:00 AM
no way decaff.

It does nothing for my ultra-violence.

Neither does caffeine withdrawal.

Give me an espresso and I'll think about it  :laugh: >:-) :laugh:

Exactly what does your IQ have to be to get a call from like Dr. Phil or Jerry Springer and say: "Gee, sure I'll go on the show."  When in the history of mankind has that ever been a good choice?

Quote from: tekla on January 19, 2009, 03:29:52 AM
Exactly what does your IQ have to be to get a call from like Dr. Phil or Jerry Springer and say: "Gee, sure I'll go on the show."  When in the history of mankind has that ever been a good choice?

Seconded. That was my first ever question regarding reality TV, or Jerry Springer.


How can you possibly ACT normal when there are cameras following your every move. You're going to act like a douche no matter how good a person you THOUGHT you were. You've already gone to the dark side by accepting, unless, of course you are a television terrorist, and brought something gross to throw at Phil.

Give me another espresso and I'll think about it some more  :laugh: >:-) :laugh:

My mother called and said that I should watch it.  I told her about the anti-LGBT stand this show usually has, she was surprised.  I guess she thought the "Dr." Phill show was a fair represntation.

No, I didn't watch it.

I often think that the only thing Dr. Phil (who isn't actually licensed) really cares about is collecting a check. A check for pretending to be a psyc. and not really caring about anyone or anything other than collecting another check. He is nothing more than a comedian (Clown) who makes his living as a fake Dr. off of other peoples problems.

My mom is a fan of his also strange to me that she would enjoy that show so much.  I would rather be on Maury or Springer then his show.  Not that I would do that either just saying.

Quote from: Chaunte on January 19, 2009, 07:06:08 AM

My mother called and said that I should watch it.......I guess she thought the "Dr." Phill show was a fair represntation.

No, I didn't watch it.

You know... i watched this now... and its not so bad... if anything, it shows us in a good light....

The girl was pretty, normal, and just... well a girl... what better flagship? the biggots were uneducated and repetative... they had no real argument, and circled a lot... The sane normal people  looked like the girl and her mother. The raving looneys who belong in an asylum were clearly the 'anti' campaigners....

Why the drama because its dr phill? as someone who doesnt watch his show regularly, it was fine.... You guys really dont ask for much in your representation? you want all pros, and no counter.... Im sorry, but there will always be a counter view to anything... the world being round, gravity... einstein's theory of relativity... doesnt make them wrong...  to be fair, we need to win an fair fight. Prove its right, and normal, and make biggots look stupid... he did that... and the bloke himself didnt pretend to be an expert... just a chatshow host... his guests are the ones who are the 'experts' not him... stop suggesting a showman should be a phsycological expert?

The problem, Starbuck, is that while that show may have seem 'not bad', he has the reputation of not showing us even in a so-so light.  His guests experts are bigoted and he usually does not have anyone that is really working with the TS/TG community.  He does not have any kind of doctorate or PhD, that I am a ware of.

Janet

Does he even need one? Does anyone who plays a doctor on tv need one? his guests give the 'expert advice' they hold the ME/ PHDs, not him.... and i dont care about his reputation... nearly 99% of this topic is people saying how bad he normally is, or how bad his reputation is, he does a good show, and all you can do is whine.... surely a bad show that did a good episode is a good thing? You cant look a gift horse in the mouth. It was a good show, iregardless of who hosted it, and ive yet to find a chatshow host NEEDED an ME... It seems the trans community wants a show that is all positive, and no negative, just a big happy ->-bleeped-<-fest... well the real world doesnt work that way... there is oposition, and will be for some time... we ahve to learn to deal with that, and argue against it and win... Plus, i think in our case, there is such thing as no news is bad news.... exposure gets people thinking... however it is.

Dr. Phil holds a B.A. from Midwestern State University and an M.A. and Ph.D. in clinical psychology from North Texas State University with a dual area of emphasis in clinical and behavioral medicine.

Oh whats that? foot in mouth time?

Thanks for being the one to ACTUALLY research it, not spout off imagined rubbish

Quote from: tekla on January 20, 2009, 08:36:25 AM
Dr. Phil holds a B.A. from Midwestern State University and an M.A. and Ph.D. in clinical psychology from North Texas State University with a dual area of emphasis in clinical and behavioral medicine.

Agreed, he is a lettered person.

But it still seems that he gets his information from Readers Digest.

-Sandy

Quote from: Starbuck on January 20, 2009, 08:32:35 AM
Does he even need one? Does anyone who plays a doctor on tv need one? his guests give the 'expert advice' they hold the ME/ PHDs, not him.... and i dont care about his reputation... nearly 99% of this topic is people saying how bad he normally is, or how bad his reputation is, he does a good show, and all you can do is whine.... surely a bad show that did a good episode is a good thing? You cant look a gift horse in the mouth. It was a good show, iregardless of who hosted it, and ive yet to find a chatshow host NEEDED an ME... It seems the trans community wants a show that is all positive, and no negative, just a big happy ->-bleeped-<-fest... well the real world doesnt work that way... there is oposition, and will be for some time... we ahve to learn to deal with that, and argue against it and win... Plus, i think in our case, there is such thing as no news is bad news.... exposure gets people thinking... however it is.

In my case it has nothing to do with his trans shows.  I just dislike the winged freak.  I get creepy vibes from him.  It's a visceral thing for me.  He doesn't say anything interesting.  He's like that stupid book 'dianetics'  I read 90 pages and realized it was nonsense.  Old Phil is equal to Scientology in my view.  He's just the kind of person I would get stuck sitting next to at a dinner party.  I'd be polite but entirely bored.

By the way, who's planning ->-bleeped-<-fest 2009?

I finally had a chance to watch the latest in the Dr. Phil saga. I'm not a fan of his, in fact this episode didn't make me anymore of a fan than before.

I thought the program was good. I liked what the mom did. She put those two idiots in their place. It took a person, who didn't have any letters behind her name, to make fools of two doctors and the other doctor who's name is on the show. I believe he had to change the whole course of the program as it got out of hand. Those two doctors dug themselves a hole and covered it over with them inside it. The two doctors that were on the mom's side were very good. They stood behind her and comfort her. The last minute or so of the program was the best for me. Now, if Dr. Phil would have gone the whole show of talking about how the people around the TG could be helped in trying to support the TG child and how they themselves could be supported then it would have been a great show. Good ol Dr. Phil, never could get the pronouns right for that child they were talking about. The mom corrected him once that I saw.