Susan's Place Transgender Resources

Er, sorry to do one of these posts. I know they are awful.

I was wondering if you folks could take an objective look at how I, um, look. I can't really get a straight anwser out of anyone I know. My family and friends sugercoat the response, and my therapist refuses to anwser becuase she says I should not care. So I'm worried, because I really have no idea if I'll just look stupid when I end up going full time for september...

I really have no idea. Will I pass? Will I need FFS? I tried to make this picture as realistic as possible; I'm holding my hair out of my face, not wearing anything on it, wearing just a t-shirt, etc. I don't start HRT for another month.

<link removed>

Again, sorry for the terrible thread.

Oh this is completely normal to worry about this kind of thing ;). And from looking at this picture....I can see the girl already, seriously. I honestly believed at first you were on HRT before I read you weren't. On HRT, I seriously doubt you will have any issues in looking like a girl ;).

nothing to be paranoid about, hon. the only give away is the shadow which i'm sure laser or electrolysis will cure all too soon. other than that, you already look like a girl. hrt should do wonders for you.

 to be honest the only thing that even suggest a masculine appearance is the fine shadow in the mustach and beard area. the angles of your face are rather soft and your face is more round which to me screams feminine. I do not think you will have any problems at all. the one phrase that has always been used to describe me from my friens is I am too blunt so you don't have to worry about me sugar coating anything!

I think you look like a girl who is deciding what make up combo to use. ::)  Always remember to high light your best features  ;)

Gee your not on HRT yet.  I was wondering how many months you were along....  Thought you might be 6 months or more into HRT...

Girl,You do fine on appearance, You look pretty good now and gee wow, Give HRT a year and you'll look fantastic.

Hon.. You look petty good now.  I don't think you'll need FFS at all.  Also peoples perceptions is based not just on appearance, but 1,000 little things we do every second.  THAT takes time to learn and unlearn as the case may be.

Beni

It looks like it's already been said well enough, but you definitely look female.  No doubt about it.  I'm jealous.  With HRT and SRS, you'll be golden.  Best wishes!

Quote from: Jessie_Heart on January 27, 2009, 09:14:08 PM
to be honest the only thing that even suggest a masculine appearance is the fine shadow in the mustach and beard area. the angles of your face are rather soft and your face is more round which to me screams feminine. I do not think you will have any problems at all. the one phrase that has always been used to describe me from my friens is I am too blunt so you don't have to worry about me sugar coating anything!

I agree with Jessie.  I can't tell if it is beard shadow I am seeing or just poor lighting.  And thin your eyebrow out some more maybe.  But FFS isn't something you should even be thinking about that. 

I see a young girl, Period.  I should look so good.  Once you are on HRT, things will change even more to the good.

Janet

Oh you'll totally pass, face on. Can't comment on other angles, but you're young, your hairline looks good, and your features are really soft, so yeah.

Mina.

I wish I could look that good.
Hun You pass 100% a little bit of make to highlight and not to conceal. Confidence. Why are you having SRS to be a guy, co's you look like a gorgeous girl! Long story sorry.

LoL Cindy J

Totally a pass!

If you were to dress a touch more feminine and maybe even put on a touch of makeup I wouldn't look twice  :D

Quote from: Beni on January 27, 2009, 09:33:56 PM
You look pretty good now and gee wow, Give HRT a year and you'll look fantastic.

Hon.. You look petty good now.  I don't think you'll need FFS at all.  Also peoples perceptions is based not just on appearance, but 1,000 little things we do every second.  THAT takes time to learn and unlearn as the case may be.

Beni

I agree with Beni here, its not just looks but the little things that girls learn through socialisation, etc. Become observant of these and the rest will follow. You have a great start with your looks.

Stardust

Just wait till a few months on HRT. Then you can ask again :p

Your face looks promising so its just about waiting and let the hormones work and if by then you feel you need FFS. Go for it.

I agree. you should do fine.  Are you wearing any makeup at all?  How long since a shave when this pic was taken?  Do you have any other pics from other angles?  Those would help us help you too.

Best of luck, baby girl!

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fganjataz.com%2F01smileys%2Fimages%2Fsmileys%2FloopyBlonde-blinking.gif&hash=4545ddf8251cf9c32ae6074d56e48bc34a755857)Kristi

Thanks for the comments. To be honest, I don't really see all the feminine features you're talking about. My nose, eyes and mouth are all kind of bigish, as far as I can tell...

Quote from: Kristi on January 28, 2009, 07:43:35 AM
I agree. you should do fine.  Are you wearing any makeup at all?  How long since a shave when this pic was taken?  Do you have any other pics from other angles?  Those would help us help you too.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fganjataz.com%2F01smileys%2Fimages%2Fsmileys%2FloopyBlonde-blinking.gif&hash=4545ddf8251cf9c32ae6074d56e48bc34a755857)Kristi

I'm not wearing any makeup here, and it's about 5 hours since I shaved or so. My hair is really pretty dark, so it seems impossible to get rid of it completely, though I'm pretty lousy at shaving.

Um, what angles should I take pictures from?

Quote from: Eamber on January 28, 2009, 10:30:32 AMUm, what angles should I take pictures from?

45 degrees and a 90 degree profile view, I would think. Do both sides since most people aren't symmetrical.

Mina.

Hon, i agree with everyone else, i wouldn't worry about passing, i know i would never guess, get the facial hair removed asap, work on your voice and manerisms and you'll do just fine. Pictures with other angles like Mina said would be nice to see. If you start HRT soon by September you should see an even bigger change in facial features. My picture at the left is pretty current, i have been on HRT 8 months, and even though people say pass and when i go out nobody ever looks twice i also feel i don't pass.

Paula.

Alright, here you go. I let my hair down in these ones, but tried to keep a neutral expression so it's not biased. Neutral clothing, no makeup, no shaving for some hours.

As you can see, my nose and chin do stick out a bit. Sorry for the quality, webcam.

<links removed>

OK, Who let the GGs in here.   ;D  Eamber and Gracie are plants for outside.  They are to pretty not to be.

In other words you look very good.

Janet

Wow Eamber. You have pretty-much everything going for you. Your nose is maybe a bit strong (and I mean a very little-bit), but once you start HRT and your face softens more, that should also go away.

All in all, you're exceptionally fortunate in your features. Cool. :)

Mina.

I was once a hairy gorilla, lol. You'll be great.


Stardust

There is something you might want to look in the future. A TCR for your adams apple.

Quote from: Zelane on January 28, 2009, 01:20:01 PM
There is something you might want to look in the future. A TCR for your adams apple.

Oh yeah, I kind of know I need to do that. My adams apple is not that gigantic, but it sort of comes out of nowehere, because the rest of my throat is thinish, so it catches peoples attentions.

It's pretty inexpensive, as far as I know... Though I have no idea how you go about getting cosmetic surgery.

Edit: Oh, again, thanks for the comments... But I still really don't see it.  ???

well I can see it, girl, girl, girl, that is what I see.
I agree with others here that a little makeup can
do wonders and if you're not seeing what we are seeing
maybe if you put some on you will notice.

anyway I think you look great, here is a site that Amanda recommends

it has helped me with my makeup woes.

makeuptalk.com (http://makeuptalk.com)


*Hugs* Nicole

You're worried for nothing.  You'll get the fuzz lasered off, and be wonderful.  Stop worrying


Bev

One thing, We each have a self image we carry inside us.  It took me a long time to see the girl I was on the outside.  My friends saw her first and it took a photo my best friend took for me to finally see the girl.  We all see the flaws. Lucky that girls like boys come in all shapes and sizes.

So give yourself some time.  But gee I wish I looked so good before HRT.

Beni

yeah dont worry.  You actually look strangely a lot like my wifes sister.

Alright, I took the pictures down out of general paranoia. But thanks for replying, it means a lot to me.

Quote from: stardust on January 28, 2009, 01:15:12 PM
I was once a hairy gorilla, lol. You'll be great.


Stardust

In another thread Stardust you said you were a Genetic Female?

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on January 29, 2009, 09:34:39 PM

Quote from: stardust on January 28, 2009, 01:15:12 PM
I was once a hairy gorilla, lol. You'll be great.


Stardust

In another thread Stardust you said you were a Genetic Female?

In the other thread she was saying she is now completely female that since she has had surgery she is no longer trans. I can see where it was confussing I just figured I would try to help straighten out the confussion.

Quote from: Jessie_Heart on January 29, 2009, 09:43:51 PM

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on January 29, 2009, 09:34:39 PM

Quote from: stardust on January 28, 2009, 01:15:12 PM
I was once a hairy gorilla, lol. You'll be great.


Stardust

In another thread Stardust you said you were a Genetic Female?

In the other thread she was saying she is now completely female that since she has had surgery she is no longer trans. I can see where it was confussing I just figured I would try to help straighten out the confussion.

Cool, yea Jessie you are right, I was born with a male body defect mtf, lol. I never considered myself anything but female even though I had a male body. In another post from naturally blonde I have been slated for being a gg here on a trans forum and being negative against trans people. OMG I am one/was. Sorry to confuse you but like naturally blonde says she thought from my pic I was transexual, I'm now really gutted, lol. Still a long way to go then, lol. Any way just thought I'd set the picture straight.

I was only trying to make the point of what HRT can do but perhaps I was being a bit obtuse.

luv

Stardust

Quote from: stardust on January 30, 2009, 03:30:10 AM

I was only trying to make the point of what HRT can do but perhaps I was being a bit obtuse.

luv

Stardust

I'm glad the confusion has been cleared up. It was the 100% female bit in your post that confused me.

Any way what do you mean when you say 'the point of what can HRT do?

I know what HRT doesn't do but I'm interested in your comments as to what you think it does do?

being hairy of course, doh, lol and are we not 100% female?

Stardust

Quote from: stardust on January 30, 2009, 08:39:54 AM
being hairy of course, doh, lol and are we not 100% female?

Stardust

Unfortunitely not, we have a smaller pelvis, and usually have bigger shoulders and are XY male but we can try and get closer to our goal with various surgeries. In our brain we are female but physically it's not so easy for many of us to match our target gender..

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on January 30, 2009, 05:14:27 PM

Quote from: stardust on January 30, 2009, 08:39:54 AM
being hairy of course, doh, lol and are we not 100% female?

Stardust

Unfortunitely not, we have a smaller pelvis, and usually have bigger shoulders and are XY male but we can try and get closer to our goal with various surgeries. In our brain we are female but physically it's not so easy for many of us to match our target gender..

my personal beliefs differ from this. I do see your point but given the many varied genetic anomalies in the spectrum of what is gender and keeping in mind that what we consider natural women come in all shapes and sizes I think it is up to each of us to decied what it means to be who we are. if you have decieded that even after all your trails of transisition you are male that is definately your right to decied and if you decied that you are female even before any transisition has started than that is your right and that is who you are!

I believe that everyone on this site no matter thier physical apperance is 100% whatever gender they feel they are and that the HRT and surgeries are no different than getting a haircut or buying new clothes in that they are things done to make us feel better about ourselves and to allow us to be more comfortable with who we are. unfortuenately it is more tramatic than something as simple as getting a haircut because other people make it that way for us. as I said at the start of this post this is just my belief.

I hope you don't mind me posting one more picture. I was wondering if I could get some opinions on this?

I made an effort this time, yknow, girl clothes, shaved just before.

Edit: I changed the picture to this one: http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/oo253/lastembers/IMG00073.jpg?t=1233432013 (http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/oo253/lastembers/IMG00073.jpg?t=1233432013) to avoid wookstock jokes.

Yo Dude, peace out.  Wasn't Woodstock the livin end

You remind me of the 60s.  But very cute, Girl.  And I still think you are a bios sent in to spy.  8)  ;)

Janet