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Title: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: Natasha on January 29, 2009, 12:24:02 PM
Post by: Natasha on January 29, 2009, 12:24:02 PM
& how soon can i move there? haha! ;)
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: mina.magpie on January 29, 2009, 01:09:16 PM
Post by: mina.magpie on January 29, 2009, 01:09:16 PM
Well, it's much more sparsely populated, with huge tracts of wilderness dotted with human cities. Cities yeah - our cities are pretty-much self contained and sustainable, more arcologies than cities really. The wilderness, no longer needed as a resource, instead serves purely as a biosphere regulator and spiritual retreat.
The single biggest priority of this society is education, with massive resources being devoted to research into better teaching methods and materials, creating a society conducive to learning, building libraries, museums and science centers, etc. There is a strong focus on teaching philosophy, ecology, sociology, human psychology and neuroscience from an early age, investing people with a deeper understanding of why and how people, societies and worlds become the way they are, and for them to have a much greater capacity for thinking critically and making their own choices.
With nation states becoming a redundant concept, funding and efforts were gradually diverted away from military activity. Massive resources were freed up to use in other areas of society. Additionally, the massive freeing up of wealth that came about as a result of the worldwide popular takeover of corporate holdings in 2014, has seen research productivity increase by orders of magnitude. With labs no longer working in competitive isolation, knowledge is shared universally and researchers allowed to pool resources and ideas in a cooperative environment based on the Open Source model of the late 20th century. As with software development, this model has proven highly successful in other fields as well.
Most significantly perhaps though was The Event of 2012. All the prophecies had pointed at 21 December being some sort of apocalyptic nexus, and as we'd drawn closer to the date, more and more signs had pointed at these prophecies being correct. December came ... and nothing happened. Despondent, many believers turned away from their religions and embraced compassionate humanist principles based on mutual advantage instead. Of course, we have our die-hards, but they are ever-shrinking minorities being left behind in a different age.
Mina.
The single biggest priority of this society is education, with massive resources being devoted to research into better teaching methods and materials, creating a society conducive to learning, building libraries, museums and science centers, etc. There is a strong focus on teaching philosophy, ecology, sociology, human psychology and neuroscience from an early age, investing people with a deeper understanding of why and how people, societies and worlds become the way they are, and for them to have a much greater capacity for thinking critically and making their own choices.
With nation states becoming a redundant concept, funding and efforts were gradually diverted away from military activity. Massive resources were freed up to use in other areas of society. Additionally, the massive freeing up of wealth that came about as a result of the worldwide popular takeover of corporate holdings in 2014, has seen research productivity increase by orders of magnitude. With labs no longer working in competitive isolation, knowledge is shared universally and researchers allowed to pool resources and ideas in a cooperative environment based on the Open Source model of the late 20th century. As with software development, this model has proven highly successful in other fields as well.
Most significantly perhaps though was The Event of 2012. All the prophecies had pointed at 21 December being some sort of apocalyptic nexus, and as we'd drawn closer to the date, more and more signs had pointed at these prophecies being correct. December came ... and nothing happened. Despondent, many believers turned away from their religions and embraced compassionate humanist principles based on mutual advantage instead. Of course, we have our die-hards, but they are ever-shrinking minorities being left behind in a different age.
Mina.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: Jeannette on January 30, 2009, 05:31:46 AM
Post by: Jeannette on January 30, 2009, 05:31:46 AM
I don't understand the question. Do you mean a fantasy world or an ideal world that can be reality?
Fantasy: Kinda like the Lord of the rings world but with pink sky, blue trees, nice people, so many birds and animals. I will live forever like the elves.
Ideal: A world free from violence, full of cooperation making best use of the available talent & sharing the scientific & technological progress for all peeps, removing illiteracy, ignorance & poverty, making available health, housing and all other basic essentials to all.
Fantasy: Kinda like the Lord of the rings world but with pink sky, blue trees, nice people, so many birds and animals. I will live forever like the elves.
Ideal: A world free from violence, full of cooperation making best use of the available talent & sharing the scientific & technological progress for all peeps, removing illiteracy, ignorance & poverty, making available health, housing and all other basic essentials to all.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: Lauren5158 on January 30, 2009, 07:30:38 AM
Post by: Lauren5158 on January 30, 2009, 07:30:38 AM
Mina:
Well stated! Thank you for your insight! I, too, hope and dream of such a world...
(Stepping up onto my soapbox to speak)
As you alluded, when Dec 21, 2012 comes and goes with no change, the "pot-stirrers" (a.k.a. control-freaks) will seek yet another source of fear with which they will attempt to control the masses.
(Now stepping down to take my place within everyday life)
Thank you, again...
Well stated! Thank you for your insight! I, too, hope and dream of such a world...
(Stepping up onto my soapbox to speak)
As you alluded, when Dec 21, 2012 comes and goes with no change, the "pot-stirrers" (a.k.a. control-freaks) will seek yet another source of fear with which they will attempt to control the masses.
(Now stepping down to take my place within everyday life)
Thank you, again...
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: Sephirah on January 30, 2009, 08:08:51 AM
Post by: Sephirah on January 30, 2009, 08:08:51 AM
*smiles* You do realise that all these 2012 obsessed people will have a whole raft of excuses for why nothing happened. My money is on that we're using the wrong calendar. ;)
As for inventing my own perfect world... I wouldn't want that sort of power. :)
As for inventing my own perfect world... I wouldn't want that sort of power. :)
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: tekla on January 30, 2009, 09:26:37 AM
Post by: tekla on January 30, 2009, 09:26:37 AM
I would like a world where people understood, comprehended and almost worshiped the word "Enough." As in: "That's Enough," or "I have Enough."
At which point I would love to see the US (its our problem mostly) redesign its infrastructure for walking, bikes and mass transit with a road every few miles or so, at the most.
At which point I would love to see the US (its our problem mostly) redesign its infrastructure for walking, bikes and mass transit with a road every few miles or so, at the most.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: Natasha on January 30, 2009, 09:36:59 AM
Post by: Natasha on January 30, 2009, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: Jeannette on January 30, 2009, 05:31:46 AM
I don't understand the question. Do you mean a fantasy world or an ideal world that can be reality?
your answers speak for themselves!
QuoteFantasy: Kinda like the Lord of the rings world but with pink sky, blue trees, nice people, so many birds and animals. I will live forever like the elves.
fantasy
QuoteIdeal: A world free from violence, full of cooperation making best use of the available talent & sharing the scientific & technological progress for all peeps, removing illiteracy, ignorance & poverty, making available health, housing and all other basic essentials to all.
fantasy. you got it! ;)
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: tekla on January 30, 2009, 10:10:00 AM
Post by: tekla on January 30, 2009, 10:10:00 AM
removing illiteracy, ignorance & poverty,
But what if I want to be ignorant? Reading great, swell even, but you can get along without it, plenty of functional illiterates who are ever so happy not reading book one their entire life. Perhaps they go fishing. And, ignorance is bliss. And I'm real sold on that one. And, many people, often out of the 'best' 'highest' moral and spiritual reasons choose poverty.
The mistake was to try to make everyone middle class to begin with, let's try not to repeat it.
But what if I want to be ignorant? Reading great, swell even, but you can get along without it, plenty of functional illiterates who are ever so happy not reading book one their entire life. Perhaps they go fishing. And, ignorance is bliss. And I'm real sold on that one. And, many people, often out of the 'best' 'highest' moral and spiritual reasons choose poverty.
The mistake was to try to make everyone middle class to begin with, let's try not to repeat it.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: mina.magpie on January 30, 2009, 10:45:44 AM
Post by: mina.magpie on January 30, 2009, 10:45:44 AM
Quote from: tekla on January 30, 2009, 10:10:00 AMBut what if I want to be ignorant? Reading great, swell even, but you can get along without it, plenty of functional illiterates who are ever so happy not reading book one their entire life. Perhaps they go fishing. And, ignorance is bliss. And I'm real sold on that one. And, many people, often out of the 'best' 'highest' moral and spiritual reasons choose poverty.
The mistake was to try to make everyone middle class to begin with, let's try not to repeat it.
Agreed, but it's interesting: My mom spent hours reading to me when I was a child, and before long I got into the stories enough to want to read, and so I taught myself with her help. I've been reading ever since. My brother, by contrast, wasn't all that into stories. He liked to play outside, mess around with dad, etc. But he was given the option, and to an extent he did make use of it.
All I want in the world is for everybody to have the option to be able to choose, whatever choice it might be.
Mina.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: Nero on January 30, 2009, 11:36:12 AM
Post by: Nero on January 30, 2009, 11:36:12 AM
Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
There would be no such thing as summer and we'd have snow year round. Anyone who harmed a cat or ate dog meat would be shot on the spot.
I would be king and have a beautiful queen and we'd live happily ever after in our ice palace.
There would be no such thing as summer and we'd have snow year round. Anyone who harmed a cat or ate dog meat would be shot on the spot.
I would be king and have a beautiful queen and we'd live happily ever after in our ice palace.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: Sephirah on January 30, 2009, 11:50:30 AM
Post by: Sephirah on January 30, 2009, 11:50:30 AM
Quote from: Nero on January 30, 2009, 11:36:12 AM
Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
There would be no such thing as summer and we'd have snow year round. Anyone who harmed a cat or ate dog meat would be shot on the spot.
I would be king and have a beautiful queen and we'd live happily ever after in our ice palace.
Where do I sign up for that world!? I'm sooo there. All year round winter... absolutely! :D
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: Alyssa M. on January 30, 2009, 12:47:45 PM
Post by: Alyssa M. on January 30, 2009, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: tekla on January 30, 2009, 09:26:37 AM
I would like a world where people understood, comprehended and almost worshiped the word "Enough." As in: "That's Enough," or "I have Enough."
At which point I would love to see the US (its our problem mostly) redesign its infrastructure for walking, bikes and mass transit with a road every few miles or so, at the most.
Ich Habe Genug:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYa8_6iaqZM#noexternalembed&fmt=18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYa8_6iaqZM#noexternalembed&fmt=18)
Words to live by -- it's kind of a personal motto.
As to roads -- see Edward Abbey's polemic against industrial tourism. "THIS HEAR PARK IS FOR PEOPLE!"
http://tinyurl.com/thisherepark (http://tinyurl.com/thisherepark)
It always makes me smile. :)
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: tinkerbell on January 30, 2009, 08:34:28 PM
Post by: tinkerbell on January 30, 2009, 08:34:28 PM
My perfect world:
A few things though: I have to be the Queen or Goddess (take your pick) of that kingdom. I want wings for myself, for Peter Pan and my kitties...that is all! And of course you are welcome to visit, but not to stay! ;D
tink :icon_chick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teSH2mgbnJE#noexternalembed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teSH2mgbnJE#noexternalembed)
A few things though: I have to be the Queen or Goddess (take your pick) of that kingdom. I want wings for myself, for Peter Pan and my kitties...that is all! And of course you are welcome to visit, but not to stay! ;D
tink :icon_chick:
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: NicholeW. on January 30, 2009, 10:53:07 PM
Post by: NicholeW. on January 30, 2009, 10:53:07 PM
Quote from: Tink on January 30, 2009, 08:34:28 PM
My perfect world:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teSH2mgbnJE#noexternalembed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teSH2mgbnJE#noexternalembed)
A few things though: I have to be the Queen or Goddess (take your pick) of that kingdom. I want wings for myself, for Peter Pan and my kitties...that is all! And of course you are welcome to visit, but not to stay! ;D
tink :icon_chick:
One of my favorite movies.
I'd come visit, but only contingent on those flying cats being box trained!! :laugh: Otherwise I'd have to stand on the other side and wave to the five of ya!! :)
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: RebeccaFog on January 30, 2009, 11:02:57 PM
Post by: RebeccaFog on January 30, 2009, 11:02:57 PM
Quote from: Katia on January 29, 2009, 12:24:02 PM
& how soon can i move there? haha! ;)
Hey! I thought you said perfect. :P
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: Cindy on January 31, 2009, 01:58:58 AM
Post by: Cindy on January 31, 2009, 01:58:58 AM
What's the 2012 reference about?
Perfect World
Empress Cindy. ;D
Lol
Cindy J
Perfect World
Empress Cindy. ;D
Lol
Cindy J
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: mina.magpie on January 31, 2009, 08:57:12 AM
Post by: mina.magpie on January 31, 2009, 08:57:12 AM
Quote from: CindyJames on January 31, 2009, 01:58:58 AMWhat's the 2012 reference about?
Prophecies from a number of different cultures point to 2012 being metaphysically significant. Armageddon-end-of-the-world type stuff. History Channel did a nice summary program on the various prophecies and stuff around 2012:
http://www.history.com/content/armageddon/ (http://www.history.com/content/armageddon/)
You can find a summary of the program here:
http://aphroditeastrology.com/2007/05/web-bot-project-and-2012.html (http://aphroditeastrology.com/2007/05/web-bot-project-and-2012.html)
Most notably, the Mayan Calendar, the most accurate humankind has yet invented, comes to an end on 21 december 2012. It's not a final end as such, but does mark the end of an age - the Mayans divided time into ages similar to how Hindus do, and 2012 is the end of the age of the Jaguar.
I've recently read that the classic mayan collapse (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_collapse") of the 9th century AD corresponds to another ending on the calendar. Nobody really knows what caused the Maya to disappear, but the most recent theory posits a mega-drought lasting almost 200 years. This also happens to correspond to the medieval warm period, that stretched from 800 to 1300 AD.
What's most likely here is that these ancient calendars were developed over thousands of years and through observation it was found that things happen in regular cycles - warming periods followed by cooling periods, sunspot cycles, precessions and stuff, and gradually people realised they could predict things with reasonable accuracy. So they divided their ages up according to these cycles, and that's why people can say something might happen in 2012. It's just the start of a new cycle - we just don't know what's gonna happen at the culmination of the present one.
The problem with actually interpreting these as proper armageddon kinda things is dangerous, 'cause we are not reading these prophecies in the same context as they were written. For a medieval culture a mega drought or a massive tsunami or whatever might very well have spelled the end of they world, for us it's simply a major disaster, but hopefully manageable.
Mina.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: NicholeW. on January 31, 2009, 09:14:25 AM
Post by: NicholeW. on January 31, 2009, 09:14:25 AM
One would suppose, Mina, that even if the drought caused the retreat from the cities by the Maya (since they are still a people and the drought didn't kill off the entire group, just maybe had them abandon their cities for a different sorta life in Honduras) it's effects weren't immediate and catastrophic as the armageddonists always seem to favor.
Besides it also seems like if your civilzation is crumbling then perhaps updating the Popol Vuh to reflect time beyond 2012 may not have been a huge priority for them at the time. Then after they'd transferred themselves to a more equable climate then maybe the art of the observers had either been lost or the new landscape didn't lend itself as well to the production of books to keep the relation of the future ongoing.
Christian belief system are rather fond of beginnings and endings, everything nicely enfolded between two points. So the ideas fostered in that milieu would probably lend themselves to abrupt endings: the Armageddonists.
Wonder why they aren't called Megeddoists? :)
Nichole
Besides it also seems like if your civilzation is crumbling then perhaps updating the Popol Vuh to reflect time beyond 2012 may not have been a huge priority for them at the time. Then after they'd transferred themselves to a more equable climate then maybe the art of the observers had either been lost or the new landscape didn't lend itself as well to the production of books to keep the relation of the future ongoing.
Christian belief system are rather fond of beginnings and endings, everything nicely enfolded between two points. So the ideas fostered in that milieu would probably lend themselves to abrupt endings: the Armageddonists.
Wonder why they aren't called Megeddoists? :)
Nichole
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: tinkerbell on January 31, 2009, 06:31:58 PM
Post by: tinkerbell on January 31, 2009, 06:31:58 PM
Quote from: Nichole on January 30, 2009, 10:53:07 PMQuote from: Tink on January 30, 2009, 08:34:28 PM
My perfect world:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teSH2mgbnJE#noexternalembed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teSH2mgbnJE#noexternalembed)
A few things though: I have to be the Queen or Goddess (take your pick) of that kingdom. I want wings for myself, for Peter Pan and my kitties...that is all! And of course you are welcome to visit, but not to stay! ;D
tink :icon_chick:
One of my favorite movies.
I'd come visit, but only contingent on those flying cats being box trained!! :laugh: Otherwise I'd have to stand on the other side and wave to the five of ya!! :)
Actually that would be the six of us. We have four cats. Yeah and there was a time when I was thinking of bringing another kitty into the house, but that was just too much, and I desisted! *sigh* :( The first thing I am going to do when (because I know I will) I win the lottery is to build a sanctuary for cats!
tink :icon_chick:
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: Stealthgrrl on January 31, 2009, 07:51:52 PM
Post by: Stealthgrrl on January 31, 2009, 07:51:52 PM
In my perfect world, I would be genetically female. All else the same.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: NicholeW. on January 31, 2009, 07:55:41 PM
Post by: NicholeW. on January 31, 2009, 07:55:41 PM
O, sweetie, I really do adore you and your kitties; but I have found that with three there are sometimes one or two too many for comfort! Four! They practically own our place already I can only imagine four and tremble!!
Of course we also have the dog!!
I imagine you will win the lottery, one of 'em, and build a nice Emerald City for kitties! But when you have those three or four hundred there do, please, make sure that the emeralds are quite translucent and transparent so I can stand outside the gate and see in!! :laugh: :laugh:
Of course we also have the dog!!
I imagine you will win the lottery, one of 'em, and build a nice Emerald City for kitties! But when you have those three or four hundred there do, please, make sure that the emeralds are quite translucent and transparent so I can stand outside the gate and see in!! :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: Alyssa M. on January 31, 2009, 08:37:33 PM
Post by: Alyssa M. on January 31, 2009, 08:37:33 PM
I'll answer the question based on my first reaction.
Alas, my ideal world would be a dystopian hellhole. I distrust authority, and I distrust it most when it's granted to me. I don't think this is the best of all possible worlds, but it's a decent start, and I envision only incremental changes. If I could reconstruct a world from scratch, I'd break it.
But the two things I want to see change in this world more than anything else are women's education and the end of energy from fossil fuels. The first is not just a matter of human rights, but the surest proven way to avoid overpopulation, and it's largely because of better women's education that population growth is slowing down. Without keeping our population in check, we're doomed to endless strife. The energy issue is the other tough nut to crack, the other issue (besides population increase) that leads to so much trouble around the world.
Alas, my ideal world would be a dystopian hellhole. I distrust authority, and I distrust it most when it's granted to me. I don't think this is the best of all possible worlds, but it's a decent start, and I envision only incremental changes. If I could reconstruct a world from scratch, I'd break it.
But the two things I want to see change in this world more than anything else are women's education and the end of energy from fossil fuels. The first is not just a matter of human rights, but the surest proven way to avoid overpopulation, and it's largely because of better women's education that population growth is slowing down. Without keeping our population in check, we're doomed to endless strife. The energy issue is the other tough nut to crack, the other issue (besides population increase) that leads to so much trouble around the world.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: Natasha on February 01, 2009, 01:08:27 AM
Post by: Natasha on February 01, 2009, 01:08:27 AM
Quote from: Rebis on January 30, 2009, 11:02:57 PMQuote from: Katia on January 29, 2009, 12:24:02 PM
& how soon can i move there? haha! ;)
Hey! I thought you said perfect. :P
you didn't get it, did cha? my moving there would make your 'perfect' world perfect! >:-)
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: cindybc on February 01, 2009, 02:30:09 AM
Post by: cindybc on February 01, 2009, 02:30:09 AM
Fairies & Dragons
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=2WTAdHJUopg#noexternalembed&feature=PlayList&p=2A216D231E521EC3&index=41 (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=2WTAdHJUopg#noexternalembed&feature=PlayList&p=2A216D231E521EC3&index=41)
For you, please don't feel blue
let us dance! let us prance!
let us be in the trance of Faerie energy
of Faerie Love of Faerie Blessings
so may we be in the light of happiness
in the light of pureness of Faerie-ness
Let us travel to distant lands while holding etherical hands
of our faerie friend's hands to be in their happiness
and joyfulness so we may become who we truly are
to remember how far we have become
and never again be numb for the angels, faeries and gnomes
are with us, forever more Listen! - Here them speak
Joy Joy Joy are the lands Joy joy joy are with our hearts and hands
for we Love you. Happy Happy happy we stand
for never we leave, and forever we stand
always beside you so please don't be so blue
we Love you!
Cindy
http://www.duirwaighgallery.com/inspiration_aknock.htm (http://www.duirwaighgallery.com/inspiration_aknock.htm)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=2WTAdHJUopg#noexternalembed&feature=PlayList&p=2A216D231E521EC3&index=41 (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=2WTAdHJUopg#noexternalembed&feature=PlayList&p=2A216D231E521EC3&index=41)
For you, please don't feel blue
let us dance! let us prance!
let us be in the trance of Faerie energy
of Faerie Love of Faerie Blessings
so may we be in the light of happiness
in the light of pureness of Faerie-ness
Let us travel to distant lands while holding etherical hands
of our faerie friend's hands to be in their happiness
and joyfulness so we may become who we truly are
to remember how far we have become
and never again be numb for the angels, faeries and gnomes
are with us, forever more Listen! - Here them speak
Joy Joy Joy are the lands Joy joy joy are with our hearts and hands
for we Love you. Happy Happy happy we stand
for never we leave, and forever we stand
always beside you so please don't be so blue
we Love you!
Cindy
http://www.duirwaighgallery.com/inspiration_aknock.htm (http://www.duirwaighgallery.com/inspiration_aknock.htm)
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 01, 2009, 11:10:17 AM
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 01, 2009, 11:10:17 AM
Quote from: Katia on February 01, 2009, 01:08:27 AMQuote from: Rebis on January 30, 2009, 11:02:57 PMQuote from: Katia on January 29, 2009, 12:24:02 PM
& how soon can i move there? haha! ;)
Hey! I thought you said perfect. :P
you didn't get it, did cha? my moving there would make your 'perfect' world perfect! >:-)
Darn! Outwitted again. :-\
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: Jay on February 01, 2009, 12:49:45 PM
Post by: Jay on February 01, 2009, 12:49:45 PM
Quote from: Leiandra on January 30, 2009, 08:08:51 AM
As for inventing my own perfect world... I wouldn't want that sort of power. :)
I agree with Leiandra here, its to much power, for one man to handle. I could think of some suggestions but I wouldn't want responsibility for it all.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 01, 2009, 08:17:26 PM
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 01, 2009, 08:17:26 PM
I don't really see any responsibility.
I would create a world without people.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: lisagurl on February 01, 2009, 09:06:23 PM
Post by: lisagurl on February 01, 2009, 09:06:23 PM
QuoteI don't really see any responsibility.
Perhaps rational thinking is needed. Beliefs create irresponsibility. Fears control people instead of logic.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: cindybc on February 01, 2009, 10:19:10 PM
Post by: cindybc on February 01, 2009, 10:19:10 PM
Create a world with just my friends, fairies, dragons, puppy dogs and kitty catz. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi11.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa191%2Fcynthiag932%2FEarthGlowPrev.gif&hash=5330de970e0767ee7be698d6570817386bc2322e)
Cindy
Cindy
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: tekla on February 01, 2009, 10:47:36 PM
Post by: tekla on February 01, 2009, 10:47:36 PM
Perhaps rational thinking is needed
Create a world with just my friends, fairies, dragons, puppy dogs and kitty catz
Or not.
Create a world with just my friends, fairies, dragons, puppy dogs and kitty catz
Or not.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: NicholeW. on February 01, 2009, 11:19:08 PM
Post by: NicholeW. on February 01, 2009, 11:19:08 PM
Quote from: lisagurl on February 01, 2009, 09:06:23 PMQuoteI don't really see any responsibility.
Perhaps rational thinking is needed. Beliefs create irresponsibility. Fears control people instead of logic.
Whose rationality are we gonna live with and by, Lisa? Mine your, Hobbes' or Locke's, Heideggar's or de Beauvoir's or tekla's?
I see a problem definining rationality. If you see no problem living and acting by my rationality, then, well then, we never have a problem at all!! >:-)
Nichole
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: mina.magpie on February 02, 2009, 01:48:35 AM
Post by: mina.magpie on February 02, 2009, 01:48:35 AM
Quote from: Nichole on February 01, 2009, 11:19:08 PMWhose rationality are we gonna live with and by, Lisa? Mine your, Hobbes' or Locke's, Heideggar's or de Beauvoir's or tekla's?
Mine. ;D
Mina.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: cindybc on February 02, 2009, 02:18:48 AM
Post by: cindybc on February 02, 2009, 02:18:48 AM
I still need to find a magician's magic wand repair shop, my fairy magic wand is still bent and I can only cast spells around corners and keep frying the back of peoples trousers.
Cindy
Cindy
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: Cindy on February 02, 2009, 02:35:47 AM
Post by: Cindy on February 02, 2009, 02:35:47 AM
OW
That's why they didn't fit!
Cindy J
and LoL :-*
That's why they didn't fit!
Cindy J
and LoL :-*
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: lisagurl on February 02, 2009, 09:09:42 AM
Post by: lisagurl on February 02, 2009, 09:09:42 AM
QuoteWhose rationality are we gonna live with and by, Lisa? Mine your, Hobbes' or Locke's, Heideggar's or de Beauvoir's or tekla's?
Subjective human thoughts are not rational. All facts applied to logic are rational. Not partial facts applied to emotions and partial perceived knowledge as most humans use.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: NicholeW. on February 02, 2009, 09:12:59 AM
Post by: NicholeW. on February 02, 2009, 09:12:59 AM
partial perceived knowledge
OK, again I'm stumped who has this? Is there either an impartial or a complete perceived human knowledge, Lisa?
If so, who has it? I'd like names and even addys if possible so I can discover how to obtain this wondrous ability for myself!! :laugh:
OK, again I'm stumped who has this? Is there either an impartial or a complete perceived human knowledge, Lisa?
If so, who has it? I'd like names and even addys if possible so I can discover how to obtain this wondrous ability for myself!! :laugh:
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: cindybc on February 02, 2009, 11:54:10 AM
Post by: cindybc on February 02, 2009, 11:54:10 AM
Rationality sucks, who wants to live in a communist robotic world. Boring, no wiggle room for imagination and emotion. Emotion and imagination = art from the heart. ;D Well that's my irrational take on the human mind and heart, what would we do without it? It would be pretty boring without the artists, architects, musicians and poets and book writers, performing arts, and movie script writers and even the tree huggers.
Cindy
Cindy
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: lisagurl on February 02, 2009, 12:02:44 PM
Post by: lisagurl on February 02, 2009, 12:02:44 PM
QuoteI'm stumped who has this?
It is a matter of what has this. Not everything is who. There are no absolutes or perfects.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: tekla on February 02, 2009, 12:12:18 PM
Post by: tekla on February 02, 2009, 12:12:18 PM
It would be pretty boring without the artists, architects, musicians and poets and book writers, performing arts, and movie script writers and even the tree huggers.
But rationality is the difference between the dreams and the reality. Lots of people dream of that stuff, but doing the work necessary - like say, oh the physics of actually building something - is what makes it real.
But rationality is the difference between the dreams and the reality. Lots of people dream of that stuff, but doing the work necessary - like say, oh the physics of actually building something - is what makes it real.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: Pica Pica on February 02, 2009, 12:14:16 PM
Post by: Pica Pica on February 02, 2009, 12:14:16 PM
i want a world a bit like ours but where people work together for each other and everything is less relaxed and not so serious.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: NicholeW. on February 02, 2009, 12:21:24 PM
Post by: NicholeW. on February 02, 2009, 12:21:24 PM
Quote from: tekla on February 02, 2009, 12:12:18 PM
It would be pretty boring without the artists, architects, musicians and poets and book writers, performing arts, and movie script writers and even the tree huggers.
But rationality is the difference between the dreams and the reality. Lots of people dream of that stuff, but doing the work necessary - like say, oh the physics of actually building something - is what makes it real.
Yes, as my almost 11 y/o is fond of pointing out, "you have to know about geometry and physics and stuff. Otherwise if you try to build a bridge and you don't know the earth is round and you build it straight out without an arch you'll never get it to touch the ground on the other side! It'll just keep on going up and up until you build it right into outer space."
Not the most sophisticated way of saying it, perhaps, but the truth is there.
Imagination and creativity are part of any human being -- regardless of the mode of government or social constraint, Cindy. If you hadn't have been able to imagine yourself a woman you'd have never been able to reach this stage of being yourself.
There are just some things you're not going to extract from humans without major lobotomies and, of course, there'll be a big price in other areas for doing that.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: cindybc on February 02, 2009, 01:34:10 PM
Post by: cindybc on February 02, 2009, 01:34:10 PM
QuoteBut rationality is the difference between the dreams and the reality. Lots of people dream of that stuff, but doing the work necessary - like say, oh the physics of actually building something - is what makes it real.
*Agreed,* even though all is born in the mind it then has to be transferred to the hand that holds the pen to the paper, the humble beginning of creating something from the realm of mind and manifesting it into the 3D world of reality as we know it. :)
Cindy
Post Merge: February 02, 2009, 12:50:34 PM
You are quite right hon. If we could not feel and perceive both of the environment around us and within, there would be no feelings and emotions. If we had no feelings or emotions it would mater little what sex or gender we are.
Dimensions would mater not either, but then isn't it wonderful to be able to perceive these dimensions? Maybe someday someone will actually build a space elevator from your sons idea from his space bridge. ;)
We would all be clones of one another if it was even possible for anything to exist in the three dimensional world without all of the heterogeneous conscious minds of all that is as one.
We each conceive the world around us differently from one another so is this not in a sense creating our own worlds?
Cindy
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 02, 2009, 03:11:29 PM
Post by: RebeccaFog on February 02, 2009, 03:11:29 PM
I don't see where anyone can question anyone else's vision for a perfect world.
I think the word 'perfect' implies that any possible imperfections would not exist. There would be nothing to prevent the world from being perfect.
I would think. But I'd just like to see somebody accuse me of that.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: Alyssa M. on February 02, 2009, 03:31:03 PM
Post by: Alyssa M. on February 02, 2009, 03:31:03 PM
Of course, this entire question is irrelevant. This world is already as perfect as it could be. I have proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPClzIsYxvA#noexternalembed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPClzIsYxvA#noexternalembed)
Q.E.D.
I <3 Marin <3 Leonard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPClzIsYxvA#noexternalembed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPClzIsYxvA#noexternalembed)
Q.E.D.
I <3 Marin <3 Leonard.
Title: Re: if you could invent your own perfect world, what would it be like?
Post by: cindybc on February 02, 2009, 04:22:43 PM
Post by: cindybc on February 02, 2009, 04:22:43 PM
That was a neat little musical video. I just emailed it to a friend of mine.
Cindy
Cindy