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Title: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Bob on August 17, 2006, 02:11:01 AM
Post by: Bob on August 17, 2006, 02:11:01 AM
Ok this sounds like a strange question....
but I am courious,... as Most of us here are more self aware than 99% of the rest of the population, I am wondering How many people or things reside in your body !
...
Ok let me explain a bit.... I am one person, not 3 or 4 just one... but within that one
there are 2 distinct thinkers.... if you will... and one little one way down in the depths
that likes to remain undisturbed<grin> these 2 thinkers make up ME, Myself... this one unit is comprized of 2 thinkers that usually work togather(not alwayse mind you) and I go about my daily life mainly thinking with only ONE thinking proccess going on, most of the time.... I call that thinking my Concious Self... but at times when i run into a problem that i cannot solve I get my Subconsious self involved to help answer the question.
Now i realise my Subconsious self runs this body so to speak... but is a very logical thinker as well, and rarely gets tripped up on fine details....
its Still me.... but its a diferent part of me that I enjoy very much. alowing the subconsious to "get through" to my wakeing thoughts Brings a refreshing Order of thoughts to a messed up world and a Anilitical view point with a detached prespective. a extreamily Handy thing .....or way to look at something.
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So thinking along these lines how many "Thinkers" do you have with you ?
I count 2 for myself .
Bob.........
but I am courious,... as Most of us here are more self aware than 99% of the rest of the population, I am wondering How many people or things reside in your body !
...
Ok let me explain a bit.... I am one person, not 3 or 4 just one... but within that one
there are 2 distinct thinkers.... if you will... and one little one way down in the depths
that likes to remain undisturbed<grin> these 2 thinkers make up ME, Myself... this one unit is comprized of 2 thinkers that usually work togather(not alwayse mind you) and I go about my daily life mainly thinking with only ONE thinking proccess going on, most of the time.... I call that thinking my Concious Self... but at times when i run into a problem that i cannot solve I get my Subconsious self involved to help answer the question.
Now i realise my Subconsious self runs this body so to speak... but is a very logical thinker as well, and rarely gets tripped up on fine details....
its Still me.... but its a diferent part of me that I enjoy very much. alowing the subconsious to "get through" to my wakeing thoughts Brings a refreshing Order of thoughts to a messed up world and a Anilitical view point with a detached prespective. a extreamily Handy thing .....or way to look at something.
....
So thinking along these lines how many "Thinkers" do you have with you ?
I count 2 for myself .
Bob.........
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Chaunte on August 17, 2006, 07:43:17 AM
Post by: Chaunte on August 17, 2006, 07:43:17 AM
For me, there ate two thinkers inside.
The Irish side is quite emotional. She responds to the highs and lows in my life. It's what lets me laugh and cry - both alone and with others. I think it is this side that is the decision-maker. The Irish considers the options and does what is best. THis is the side that would make the occassional leap to "THe needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many."
The German is the counter-point. Very logical - thinking through alternatives and courses of action. She stays very much on an even keel. The German has thought through the possibilities and ramifications. It's on rare occassions that the German overrules the Irish, but she will if disaster is lurking close by.
For me, the internal struggle between these two counterpoints has always been difficult. It has sometimes made me come across as distant and withdrawn. Indecisive. Unable to move forward.
In male-mode, it has often taken a crisis to get me to decide on a course of action. I always wanted to better the odds of success. Probably because of the inner conflict I was devoting so much energy to, it was hard for me to look outward.
Now, as Chaunte, I find myself much more decisive. I am more willing to live with longer odds because I accept the consequences of my decisions. No longer do I need a "sure thing" before I decide - 70/30 odds are plenty good enough.
I am much more focused on living in the Now than in the Future.
Chaunte
The Irish side is quite emotional. She responds to the highs and lows in my life. It's what lets me laugh and cry - both alone and with others. I think it is this side that is the decision-maker. The Irish considers the options and does what is best. THis is the side that would make the occassional leap to "THe needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many."
The German is the counter-point. Very logical - thinking through alternatives and courses of action. She stays very much on an even keel. The German has thought through the possibilities and ramifications. It's on rare occassions that the German overrules the Irish, but she will if disaster is lurking close by.
For me, the internal struggle between these two counterpoints has always been difficult. It has sometimes made me come across as distant and withdrawn. Indecisive. Unable to move forward.
In male-mode, it has often taken a crisis to get me to decide on a course of action. I always wanted to better the odds of success. Probably because of the inner conflict I was devoting so much energy to, it was hard for me to look outward.
Now, as Chaunte, I find myself much more decisive. I am more willing to live with longer odds because I accept the consequences of my decisions. No longer do I need a "sure thing" before I decide - 70/30 odds are plenty good enough.
I am much more focused on living in the Now than in the Future.
Chaunte
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Melissa on August 17, 2006, 03:17:02 PM
Post by: Melissa on August 17, 2006, 03:17:02 PM
Hmmm, I'll have to think about that. ;)
I feel like there is only one thinker inside of me. If there were more before, they have merged.
Melissa
I feel like there is only one thinker inside of me. If there were more before, they have merged.
Melissa
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Bob on August 17, 2006, 05:42:01 PM
Post by: Bob on August 17, 2006, 05:42:01 PM
Maybe this will help explain what I mean...
...
While working on my Gyrocopter a bit ago, something i realy like doing... I was confrunted by a problem , I had made a part that I could install with no problem but the part that attached to it, couldn't be installed AFTER the new part was installed...
so I thought about it... I could try putting the two pieces togather and then installing the group.... or istall one end and see if that will work.....then somewhere in the back of my head at a softer volume I thought, cut off the tip of the rod and then install just the new part and the other rod will then fit.
.... this is what i am talking about... don't get me wrong its me thinking it. but its a little diferent .
its that lower volume thinking... is my subconsious... its as if the information given came from a diferent source, and had to stand in line till it could use the "Thinking device"
that "thinking device" is definately ME...but the way its used differs sometimes.
its Never as radical as a Split personality or anything like that , its just how I have alwayse operated.... I some times call them the Anilitical and Emotional sides, though this doesn't realy do justice to them.... one without the other just wouldn't work for me
and the two are truly just one individual...
I have spent many hours thinking about how we think... as I have a burning desire to create a truly Artifical inteligance program. to do this you have to know how to think.
... and needless to say I have been thinking about it every sense and what began as a Basic program on a vic-20 gravitated to a much larger computer, till i finally got left behind in programming technology... so it never was completed. and I am still surching on how a person thinks.... what their inner most being IS... its certainly not just the Flesh but much more complicated than that.
So here I am 40 years later still learning about thinking ! HEHEHEHEHE
It is usually easiest to think about a duel thinking proccess as Seperate People inside ones self. but I think in reality its closer to two memory banks useing one proccessor
.... and what a proccessor it is !
... perhaps that will help explain my thoughts !
Bob......
...
While working on my Gyrocopter a bit ago, something i realy like doing... I was confrunted by a problem , I had made a part that I could install with no problem but the part that attached to it, couldn't be installed AFTER the new part was installed...
so I thought about it... I could try putting the two pieces togather and then installing the group.... or istall one end and see if that will work.....then somewhere in the back of my head at a softer volume I thought, cut off the tip of the rod and then install just the new part and the other rod will then fit.
.... this is what i am talking about... don't get me wrong its me thinking it. but its a little diferent .
its that lower volume thinking... is my subconsious... its as if the information given came from a diferent source, and had to stand in line till it could use the "Thinking device"
that "thinking device" is definately ME...but the way its used differs sometimes.
its Never as radical as a Split personality or anything like that , its just how I have alwayse operated.... I some times call them the Anilitical and Emotional sides, though this doesn't realy do justice to them.... one without the other just wouldn't work for me
and the two are truly just one individual...
I have spent many hours thinking about how we think... as I have a burning desire to create a truly Artifical inteligance program. to do this you have to know how to think.
... and needless to say I have been thinking about it every sense and what began as a Basic program on a vic-20 gravitated to a much larger computer, till i finally got left behind in programming technology... so it never was completed. and I am still surching on how a person thinks.... what their inner most being IS... its certainly not just the Flesh but much more complicated than that.
So here I am 40 years later still learning about thinking ! HEHEHEHEHE
It is usually easiest to think about a duel thinking proccess as Seperate People inside ones self. but I think in reality its closer to two memory banks useing one proccessor
.... and what a proccessor it is !
... perhaps that will help explain my thoughts !
Bob......
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Melissa on August 17, 2006, 06:10:56 PM
Post by: Melissa on August 17, 2006, 06:10:56 PM
You have a gyrocopter? Cool! Does it fly yet?
BTW, I understood what you are saying.
Melissa
BTW, I understood what you are saying.
Melissa
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Chaunte on August 17, 2006, 06:56:11 PM
Post by: Chaunte on August 17, 2006, 06:56:11 PM
In my opinion, learning how you think is is far different that what you think. And I am not sue if how you think ever changes. Maybe the mix of inputs gets altered a little with experience (& hormones?), but I don't know if the root method ever changes.
BTW, there are several pilots here at Susans. To keep this thread from being shanghi'ed, you might want to consider starting a gyrocopter thread. It's taking a lot of won't power to not ask make, powerplant, cost, construction time, how the devil can you afford avgas with regular being over $3 a gallon, etc...
Chaunte
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: tinkerbell on August 17, 2006, 11:04:25 PM
Post by: tinkerbell on August 17, 2006, 11:04:25 PM
How many people inside me?
Just one Bob! me!
tink :icon_chick:
Just one Bob! me!
tink :icon_chick:
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Bob on August 17, 2006, 11:33:32 PM
Post by: Bob on August 17, 2006, 11:33:32 PM
Tinkerbell !
but if i may pry into your thoughts is there no inner conflect
or duel thinking going on inside there ?
or have you actually sealed him off for good ?
because I know you can do that with alot of hard mental efort !
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... You see, I believe all people have these 2 minds inside them,
( technically I think its the right and left himisphers of the brain at work... though i have no way of knowing if that is true or not....)
.... so in your case it would be present but concored or subdued to a very low level as to be non exhistant ... am i right ?
thank you for posting!.
Bob......
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Reason: Removed my legal name from Bob's post :P
but if i may pry into your thoughts is there no inner conflect
or duel thinking going on inside there ?
or have you actually sealed him off for good ?
because I know you can do that with alot of hard mental efort !
....
... You see, I believe all people have these 2 minds inside them,
( technically I think its the right and left himisphers of the brain at work... though i have no way of knowing if that is true or not....)
.... so in your case it would be present but concored or subdued to a very low level as to be non exhistant ... am i right ?
thank you for posting!.
Bob......
Last edit: By Tink
Reason: Removed my legal name from Bob's post :P
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Jillieann Rose on August 17, 2006, 11:37:34 PM
Post by: Jillieann Rose on August 17, 2006, 11:37:34 PM
One now Bob. I put the information that the other thinker had into my own computer and use it as I see fit. He is no longer wanted or needed.
:)
Jillieann
:)
Jillieann
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Bob on August 18, 2006, 01:26:01 AM
Post by: Bob on August 18, 2006, 01:26:01 AM
Oh now that IS interesting..
You see as a comparason, I have alwayse... had those 2 sides of me within
and at times I admit I struggled with the who am I thing.... but instead of
cutting it off or tuneing out so to speak I ( over a long period of time)came to accept and embrace it as an intrigal part of who I am. I even enjoy it.
it never ceses to amaze me how I may have learned something in my subconsious mind and never realised it in my Consious mind... and then to have it handed down in an "I told you so sort of fashion".. it is quite amuseing !
....
So now the nagging question in the back of my mind says ok which is better ?
is it better to have ALL of your attention focused into one thinking mode
or one thinking mode with a random gosub routine running in the background !?!?
....
I suppose anyone could point out good and bad to both ways of thinking, but it is an interesting thought !
thank you all !
Bob......
You see as a comparason, I have alwayse... had those 2 sides of me within
and at times I admit I struggled with the who am I thing.... but instead of
cutting it off or tuneing out so to speak I ( over a long period of time)came to accept and embrace it as an intrigal part of who I am. I even enjoy it.
it never ceses to amaze me how I may have learned something in my subconsious mind and never realised it in my Consious mind... and then to have it handed down in an "I told you so sort of fashion".. it is quite amuseing !
....
So now the nagging question in the back of my mind says ok which is better ?
is it better to have ALL of your attention focused into one thinking mode
or one thinking mode with a random gosub routine running in the background !?!?
....
I suppose anyone could point out good and bad to both ways of thinking, but it is an interesting thought !
thank you all !
Bob......
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: cindianna_jones on August 18, 2006, 04:08:33 AM
Post by: cindianna_jones on August 18, 2006, 04:08:33 AM
Generally, there's just me and my squirrel. Those are the two with personalities. But there are times when I can set a drone or two to work on separate tasks. I sometimes will watch TV and read at the same time. I always do computer work with the news on. I'll be working on finishing, solving a telescope problem, and work on a poem, as well as reslove some other problem. I don't think in series. I think in parallel. Wierd huh? I feel like I've lived 5 lives in my short life span. I can never really rest or just be lazy. My idea of being lazy is writing at the moment. Sometimes it is practice on my cello or guitars or arranging music or processing celestial images or calculate material stress for a new part for a new design that I'm working in my mind. Yea. It's crowded in there.
I do not have mulitple personalities. I'm always fully aware of squirrel and drones. I hope that after I die, someone studies my brain to see what is so odd about it.
Cindi
I do not have mulitple personalities. I'm always fully aware of squirrel and drones. I hope that after I die, someone studies my brain to see what is so odd about it.
Cindi
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Bob on August 18, 2006, 05:38:06 AM
Post by: Bob on August 18, 2006, 05:38:06 AM
Odd Cindi ? Gifted is more like it !
I have on an odd occasion been able to pull off multitasking but not very often... and with mixed results. so I tend to do everything with my complete attention.
it sounds as if you have a fanasateing life INDEED ! how i would love to tinker with one of those teliscopes ! hehehehehehhe
anything mechanical i just have to know how it works and why ! i just can't help myself its like candy for my brain ! ... i think i know every engine ever designed and most of the therotical engines as well... it just fanasates me so!
....
Good name Squirrel... and I can amagon why the name heheheheh !
but You seam to be doing fine with your Squirel part of you awair and comunicateing freely... no doubt that is what makes you so special !
You are an exceptionaly bright person Cindi and I bet that is because you have come to terms with yourself early on, at least in the thinking
proccess...
I think the Drones as you call them are simple sub routines.. that work best on repetive tasks and such... something you can put on auto pilot and more or less forget about ! ...I doubt I would call a Drone another person inside me because its as if its just an extension of myself not another one
if you understand me.
Thinking in Parallel is a gift that not all people can do. you are amazeing!
no doubt you should will your body to science when you die ! HEHEHE !
......
Bob.......
I have on an odd occasion been able to pull off multitasking but not very often... and with mixed results. so I tend to do everything with my complete attention.
it sounds as if you have a fanasateing life INDEED ! how i would love to tinker with one of those teliscopes ! hehehehehehhe
anything mechanical i just have to know how it works and why ! i just can't help myself its like candy for my brain ! ... i think i know every engine ever designed and most of the therotical engines as well... it just fanasates me so!
....
Good name Squirrel... and I can amagon why the name heheheheh !
but You seam to be doing fine with your Squirel part of you awair and comunicateing freely... no doubt that is what makes you so special !
You are an exceptionaly bright person Cindi and I bet that is because you have come to terms with yourself early on, at least in the thinking
proccess...
I think the Drones as you call them are simple sub routines.. that work best on repetive tasks and such... something you can put on auto pilot and more or less forget about ! ...I doubt I would call a Drone another person inside me because its as if its just an extension of myself not another one
if you understand me.
Thinking in Parallel is a gift that not all people can do. you are amazeing!
no doubt you should will your body to science when you die ! HEHEHE !
......
Bob.......
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: cindianna_jones on August 18, 2006, 08:43:01 AM
Post by: cindianna_jones on August 18, 2006, 08:43:01 AM
Oh Bob, you are way to kind. I think you are very cool building your own helicopter. I've thought about doing an ultralight. In any case, I wrote a piece in my blog called The Two of US. It's for how many people live in my head and whoever may care.
Cindi
Cindi
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Melissa on August 18, 2006, 11:13:09 AM
Post by: Melissa on August 18, 2006, 11:13:09 AM
I thought some more about this and I realized there are 2 thinkers... My mind and my heart. Whereas they used to be somewhat conflicted, they now think in unison, hence it only feels like 1 thinker.
Melissa
Melissa
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Bob on August 18, 2006, 05:01:41 PM
Post by: Bob on August 18, 2006, 05:01:41 PM
Exactly Melissa !
that is great ! because you don't want to hide or disown that part of you ... i mean it is You after all... it is part of what makes You YOU !
comeing to terms, acepting it, and unifying with it is by far a better path to take.... I say this because I know that no matter how hard you try to shut out part of yourself that part will resurface at some point in time...
you cannot get rid of what makes you Uniquely You.... Thank God !. or i would be half tha man i am today...
Accepting yourself is better than fighting yourself... and that even goes for the thinking proccess.
I have seen on this forem a tenancy to Styfle or Excomunicate ,kill off or how everelse you want to call it ... the other portion of you.... almost every TS person has mentioned this ... and in my mind this is not good at all...
although i KNOW the reasons... and they seam like very good reasons to the TS
it is Still "Cutting off your nose to Spite your face" its going to be harder on you doing it that way than accepting you for who you are in the first place.
this isn't a Small matter, infact it gets to the very hart of your misery very quickly.... TS folk have started out in the wrong body and have learned for the most part to hate it or resent it at the very least
so consiquently you look for something to do... you find the thinking proccess at odds in your mind so you tone it down, bottle it up or in effect lock it up so it doesn't bother you any more...
though this may work for a while it is NO cure.... like a festering wound it always comes back with a vengance, so you have to put it back in its place just as forcefully.... the eternal battle of good and evil goes on inside your mind.... because you won't accept the other part of you. STOP THAT!
you are causeing yourself more pain and anguish than nessarry you don't have to hide that part of you.... simply Accept it. merge with it as Melissa Says
... and that battle will be over once and for all !
...
now no doubt that Mergeing with your self will not cure all your problems but it will REDUCE them a great deal.... all the conflict will Not be over by any means... but the bloodshed will be gone... votes will be taken instead.
you won't be hateing yourself anymore....And Hateing yourself has to stop.
....
As you can see by the Responces each person deals with themselves in a diferent way...
...
there is No right and wrong here , only better or worse...
i am just trying to get you to stop fighting yourself...
.....
When I stopped fighting myself i was about 25 yrs old...I had just read Psyco cybernetics, and Dianetics... and realised that all of my problems were self generated....accept money....and technically that was too.....
...I have been at peace with myself sense that time, i have accepted me for what I am, good or bad, right or wrong... its me, and dang it, I love me inspite of it ! .... that little afframation soon grew into a full complete acceptance of myself
don't get me wrong now ...I am not problem free by any means... i have problems many of you would never even dream of.... but I ACCEPT THAT ! and I don't beat myself up for it !
......
so the Duel thinking Proccess is at the HART of the TS ishue.
its not a question of which side WINS the battle... because the package contains you both.... Accept yourself the Male and female part, the good and the bad... the intelectual and emotional You...
and I realy think you will be better off in the long run !
Bob......
that is great ! because you don't want to hide or disown that part of you ... i mean it is You after all... it is part of what makes You YOU !
comeing to terms, acepting it, and unifying with it is by far a better path to take.... I say this because I know that no matter how hard you try to shut out part of yourself that part will resurface at some point in time...
you cannot get rid of what makes you Uniquely You.... Thank God !. or i would be half tha man i am today...
Accepting yourself is better than fighting yourself... and that even goes for the thinking proccess.
I have seen on this forem a tenancy to Styfle or Excomunicate ,kill off or how everelse you want to call it ... the other portion of you.... almost every TS person has mentioned this ... and in my mind this is not good at all...
although i KNOW the reasons... and they seam like very good reasons to the TS
it is Still "Cutting off your nose to Spite your face" its going to be harder on you doing it that way than accepting you for who you are in the first place.
this isn't a Small matter, infact it gets to the very hart of your misery very quickly.... TS folk have started out in the wrong body and have learned for the most part to hate it or resent it at the very least
so consiquently you look for something to do... you find the thinking proccess at odds in your mind so you tone it down, bottle it up or in effect lock it up so it doesn't bother you any more...
though this may work for a while it is NO cure.... like a festering wound it always comes back with a vengance, so you have to put it back in its place just as forcefully.... the eternal battle of good and evil goes on inside your mind.... because you won't accept the other part of you. STOP THAT!
you are causeing yourself more pain and anguish than nessarry you don't have to hide that part of you.... simply Accept it. merge with it as Melissa Says
... and that battle will be over once and for all !
...
now no doubt that Mergeing with your self will not cure all your problems but it will REDUCE them a great deal.... all the conflict will Not be over by any means... but the bloodshed will be gone... votes will be taken instead.
you won't be hateing yourself anymore....And Hateing yourself has to stop.
....
As you can see by the Responces each person deals with themselves in a diferent way...
...
there is No right and wrong here , only better or worse...
i am just trying to get you to stop fighting yourself...
.....
When I stopped fighting myself i was about 25 yrs old...I had just read Psyco cybernetics, and Dianetics... and realised that all of my problems were self generated....accept money....and technically that was too.....
...I have been at peace with myself sense that time, i have accepted me for what I am, good or bad, right or wrong... its me, and dang it, I love me inspite of it ! .... that little afframation soon grew into a full complete acceptance of myself
don't get me wrong now ...I am not problem free by any means... i have problems many of you would never even dream of.... but I ACCEPT THAT ! and I don't beat myself up for it !
......
so the Duel thinking Proccess is at the HART of the TS ishue.
its not a question of which side WINS the battle... because the package contains you both.... Accept yourself the Male and female part, the good and the bad... the intelectual and emotional You...
and I realy think you will be better off in the long run !
Bob......
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Chaunte on August 18, 2006, 10:29:26 PM
Post by: Chaunte on August 18, 2006, 10:29:26 PM
Did you ever see the movie THe Dark Crystal?
At the end of the movie, the evil Skeksis (sic) were reunited with the gentle Mystics to form a single being.
What I am finding is that my personalities are merging into one being. The Irish & German. The male & female. Dr. Jeckyl & Ms. Hyde. All are one and are becoming at peace with one another.
It's nice not being in conflict with ones self anymore.
Chaunte
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: elleane on August 18, 2006, 10:41:16 PM
Post by: elleane on August 18, 2006, 10:41:16 PM
My name is Legion for we are many!
:D ;) ;D ^-^ :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrhappy: :icon_razz: :eusa_dance: :icon_cool: :icon_biggrin: :icon_hahano: :icon_joy:
:angel:
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Jillieann Rose on August 18, 2006, 11:12:14 PM
Post by: Jillieann Rose on August 18, 2006, 11:12:14 PM
Very wise Bob. Very wise. I agree completely with:
Let me clarify what I said in an earlier posting about being one not two.
And that is true in that we, both personalities, work together as one no longer fighting each other as we did before, hating and fearing one another.
So rather than duel thinking I now just bring up difference ideas and than make a choice.
It's great to finally be at peace with oneself after so many years of war.
I am female with a male heritage.
:)
Jillieann
Posted at: August 19, 2006, 12:07:04 AM
That's great Chaunte.
Some peace and sanity at last.
Posted at: August 19, 2006, 12:08:43 AM
Bob, have you check out another topic here at Susan's that is dealing with teh same issues. Topic: Split personallity at https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,5604.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,5604.0.html)
Quotenot hide or disown that part of you.My male personality has been around and mostly in control for over 40 years of my 55 years. He got married raised a family and now has grandchildren. He has been married to the same woman for over 35 years and is a leader in the community. Then my inter-self the part of me that is female came out, took over and wanted to destroy the male side. Because of fear he had put me in his prison and keep me that way for most of the 40 years. But I realized with the help of my counselor that the male personality was very important part of me. So we, to make a long story very short, both personalities, made peace and have become one in thinking, most of the time anyway.
Let me clarify what I said in an earlier posting about being one not two.
And that is true in that we, both personalities, work together as one no longer fighting each other as we did before, hating and fearing one another.
So rather than duel thinking I now just bring up difference ideas and than make a choice.
It's great to finally be at peace with oneself after so many years of war.
I am female with a male heritage.
:)
Jillieann
Posted at: August 19, 2006, 12:07:04 AM
That's great Chaunte.
Some peace and sanity at last.
Posted at: August 19, 2006, 12:08:43 AM
Bob, have you check out another topic here at Susan's that is dealing with teh same issues. Topic: Split personallity at https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,5604.0.html (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,5604.0.html)
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Bob on August 19, 2006, 02:28:49 AM
Post by: Bob on August 19, 2006, 02:28:49 AM
Thats Grate Chaunte !
Yes I have seen Dark chrystle a few times, I thought it very good !
...
the Older I get, the More important small details of my life become.
Fighting among my mind was a bother but not unsurmountable, i pushed it aside
and forged onward... never realiseing how important it was to accept that other part of me... when I realised I had done this to myself I was preplexed !
I thought well, now how do i undo what i have so badly messed up ?
lickily I was reading Dianetics at the time and he laid it out step by step for me .... and I never missed a beat... I took him at his word and trusted him with blind fathe something I would never do under any curcumstances! but I realised how messed up I was then... With man made religon swirling arround in my head, terror of crouds, truble getting along at work,raising a Kid "Properly" and all kinds of stuff I had serious problems inside.
it was desperation that made me turn to that book... and desperation that actually saved my bottom ! I studied the book from cover to cover and even ordered all his other books, another thing I would never have done.
and it still took a while , but the pieces started falling togather.
more and more I became ME...a complete person... still messed up but at least I was at peace within myself. ITs actually Working I thought because the war is gone.... well, if that works then what about these other things !!!!!
and I dove into them, and uncovered a can of worms that scared me whitless !
bringing back the original fear of being lost in a christmass croud on christmass eve in an L.A. department store.... I wasn't ready for that !
but it came anyway... the whole experience replayed through my mind down to the tinyiest details... running scared, hands reaching out to grab me , nothing but legs as far as I could see... I was terrorified !
then the memory was through... and it hit me .... THATS IT ! My fear of crouds ! ....because the same terror would well up inside me when in a croud and if I didn't get out of the croud I would explode.... I shook like a leaf
and sweated profusely... it was serious !....
then about a weak later we went to the maul in Reno and it was near christmass time ands shoppers were thick as barn flys ....
the terror started to well up inside me as it alwayse had done before... but it was diferent.... less potent... the fire was out of it... though it was still uncumfortable it wasn't life threatoning to bystanders <grin>
I endured it... we did our shopping and we talked about it on the way home
and the wife was supprized that i did so well in such a croud... I thought it odd because I didn't think I did so good... but i took her compliments to hart and left it at that.... following the instructions in the book I dug up that terrable memory time and time again untill i could think of it whithout
being full of fear. it was about a month later we went into town again and was in a very crouded store and it dawned on me that I was not afrade... I was anoid.... there is a big diference! I wasn't ready to kill someone that looked at me crosseyed .... I was just trying to get through the mass of bodies.... I burst out laughing it was so comical to me and I had to explain to the wife why I was in histerics ! I explained and a fella standing next to me patted me on the shoulder and gave me the biggest smile as if to say "been there Done dat" and walked off. I was so releaved to be rid of that fear and anger that had been ruening my life and was just getting stronger as I grew older that I was almost in tears.
That is how I got rid of one of my problems.... although to this day if i suddenly find myself in a thick croud I have to get ahold of myself... so it does haing with you to some extent... but its almost laughable in compairison to what it was.
the very interesting part of this was in the beginning I had no idea what it was that bothered me about crouds.... I couldn't see the memory... it was sealed off from my consusness, I had no idea why I hated crouds I just thought it was a Parainoid thing.... don't want to get trampled or something
... Not untill I surched many hours over a few days did the memory becomed freed up so i could experience it once again in its full terror ! when it did I was realy shocked... I went to bed and woke up the wife and told her about it at 3:00am and I couldn't sleep for hours still rambleing on while she had long sense fallen back to sleep. hehehehhee
....
Strong emotions can lock a menory away from you so you cannot see it but it will still effect you just the same.... More so even, because you have no idea where it is comeing from .
Strong emotions can be Anger, fear, Love ,Sense of loss... Pain, pleasure... you name it... if its strong it can hide an event from you... and mess you up badly...
and you want some more good news ? they don't even have to be that strong
it depends upon you ! every person is diferent in that.
So no doubt everyone has these Anomalies in their minds that we pave over and around with our daily lives... so if you find yourselve doing something you don't like pay attention.... you may have one too !
hope this helps
Bob.......
Posted at: August 19, 2006, 02:15:19 AM
Also Dianetics by L.Ron.Hubbard made a statement that i memorized many years ago... it went something like this...
" A man gets hit on the head with a hammer" later he goes into a hardware store... he is nervice...he doesn't know why he just is , he goes to the hammer isl and is so nervice he panics and runs out of the store"
this is the senerio that we all play out with minor changes
to this day... its a family joke to say "a Man gets hit in the head with a hammer... and we all say in unison "and he doesn't know WHY !" hehehehe
so you'll excuse the pun if I say it made an IMPACT on me ! HAHAHAHAHAHA
<HUG>
Bob.......
Yes I have seen Dark chrystle a few times, I thought it very good !
...
the Older I get, the More important small details of my life become.
Fighting among my mind was a bother but not unsurmountable, i pushed it aside
and forged onward... never realiseing how important it was to accept that other part of me... when I realised I had done this to myself I was preplexed !
I thought well, now how do i undo what i have so badly messed up ?
lickily I was reading Dianetics at the time and he laid it out step by step for me .... and I never missed a beat... I took him at his word and trusted him with blind fathe something I would never do under any curcumstances! but I realised how messed up I was then... With man made religon swirling arround in my head, terror of crouds, truble getting along at work,raising a Kid "Properly" and all kinds of stuff I had serious problems inside.
it was desperation that made me turn to that book... and desperation that actually saved my bottom ! I studied the book from cover to cover and even ordered all his other books, another thing I would never have done.
and it still took a while , but the pieces started falling togather.
more and more I became ME...a complete person... still messed up but at least I was at peace within myself. ITs actually Working I thought because the war is gone.... well, if that works then what about these other things !!!!!
and I dove into them, and uncovered a can of worms that scared me whitless !
bringing back the original fear of being lost in a christmass croud on christmass eve in an L.A. department store.... I wasn't ready for that !
but it came anyway... the whole experience replayed through my mind down to the tinyiest details... running scared, hands reaching out to grab me , nothing but legs as far as I could see... I was terrorified !
then the memory was through... and it hit me .... THATS IT ! My fear of crouds ! ....because the same terror would well up inside me when in a croud and if I didn't get out of the croud I would explode.... I shook like a leaf
and sweated profusely... it was serious !....
then about a weak later we went to the maul in Reno and it was near christmass time ands shoppers were thick as barn flys ....
the terror started to well up inside me as it alwayse had done before... but it was diferent.... less potent... the fire was out of it... though it was still uncumfortable it wasn't life threatoning to bystanders <grin>
I endured it... we did our shopping and we talked about it on the way home
and the wife was supprized that i did so well in such a croud... I thought it odd because I didn't think I did so good... but i took her compliments to hart and left it at that.... following the instructions in the book I dug up that terrable memory time and time again untill i could think of it whithout
being full of fear. it was about a month later we went into town again and was in a very crouded store and it dawned on me that I was not afrade... I was anoid.... there is a big diference! I wasn't ready to kill someone that looked at me crosseyed .... I was just trying to get through the mass of bodies.... I burst out laughing it was so comical to me and I had to explain to the wife why I was in histerics ! I explained and a fella standing next to me patted me on the shoulder and gave me the biggest smile as if to say "been there Done dat" and walked off. I was so releaved to be rid of that fear and anger that had been ruening my life and was just getting stronger as I grew older that I was almost in tears.
That is how I got rid of one of my problems.... although to this day if i suddenly find myself in a thick croud I have to get ahold of myself... so it does haing with you to some extent... but its almost laughable in compairison to what it was.
the very interesting part of this was in the beginning I had no idea what it was that bothered me about crouds.... I couldn't see the memory... it was sealed off from my consusness, I had no idea why I hated crouds I just thought it was a Parainoid thing.... don't want to get trampled or something
... Not untill I surched many hours over a few days did the memory becomed freed up so i could experience it once again in its full terror ! when it did I was realy shocked... I went to bed and woke up the wife and told her about it at 3:00am and I couldn't sleep for hours still rambleing on while she had long sense fallen back to sleep. hehehehhee
....
Strong emotions can lock a menory away from you so you cannot see it but it will still effect you just the same.... More so even, because you have no idea where it is comeing from .
Strong emotions can be Anger, fear, Love ,Sense of loss... Pain, pleasure... you name it... if its strong it can hide an event from you... and mess you up badly...
and you want some more good news ? they don't even have to be that strong
it depends upon you ! every person is diferent in that.
So no doubt everyone has these Anomalies in their minds that we pave over and around with our daily lives... so if you find yourselve doing something you don't like pay attention.... you may have one too !
hope this helps
Bob.......
Posted at: August 19, 2006, 02:15:19 AM
Also Dianetics by L.Ron.Hubbard made a statement that i memorized many years ago... it went something like this...
" A man gets hit on the head with a hammer" later he goes into a hardware store... he is nervice...he doesn't know why he just is , he goes to the hammer isl and is so nervice he panics and runs out of the store"
this is the senerio that we all play out with minor changes
to this day... its a family joke to say "a Man gets hit in the head with a hammer... and we all say in unison "and he doesn't know WHY !" hehehehe
so you'll excuse the pun if I say it made an IMPACT on me ! HAHAHAHAHAHA
<HUG>
Bob.......
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Kimberly on August 21, 2006, 04:43:12 AM
Post by: Kimberly on August 21, 2006, 04:43:12 AM
I have been thinking on this for a while and just figured out how to put it into words. At least, I think so! ;)
There are three who make up the current me:
1. Ye olde concious self.
2. Ye olde subconscious self.
Now, #1 are pretty stereotypically human and not really worth special mention; As far as I know these are the standard issue selves.
However I am aware of another:
3. #3 is the interesting behind the scenes, quite possibly just a gateway for that matter because I only know this part of me is here because I have seen the results, and I can feel the 'curtain', but I have no solid idea of what is going on back here behind the scenes, behind that 'curtain'. If I am right my concious and subconscious selves are an (imperfect) reflection of this self. I am also certain this part of me 'taints' (not in a bad way) my concious and subconscious selves.
For 'amusement' and what it is worth.
There are three who make up the current me:
1. Ye olde concious self.
2. Ye olde subconscious self.
Now, #1 are pretty stereotypically human and not really worth special mention; As far as I know these are the standard issue selves.
However I am aware of another:
3. #3 is the interesting behind the scenes, quite possibly just a gateway for that matter because I only know this part of me is here because I have seen the results, and I can feel the 'curtain', but I have no solid idea of what is going on back here behind the scenes, behind that 'curtain'. If I am right my concious and subconscious selves are an (imperfect) reflection of this self. I am also certain this part of me 'taints' (not in a bad way) my concious and subconscious selves.
For 'amusement' and what it is worth.
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Sarah Louise on August 21, 2006, 10:04:53 AM
Post by: Sarah Louise on August 21, 2006, 10:04:53 AM
This really doesn't answer the intent of the original question, but I will say there are a lot less people (voices) in my head than there used to be.
Very criptive statement.
Sarah L.
Very criptive statement.
Sarah L.
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: LostInTime on August 21, 2006, 01:41:30 PM
Post by: LostInTime on August 21, 2006, 01:41:30 PM
I have a side that says, "I wanna..." and then after the explosion or other sort of havok I tend to think things out a bit more. :D
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Kate on August 21, 2006, 01:59:18 PM
Post by: Kate on August 21, 2006, 01:59:18 PM
I'd suggest two (well, it's REALLY one, but for it's kindofa particle/wave thing)...
I sometimes use the analogy of the moon landing. No really, follow me here...
There's this one person orbiting this world high above, pretty much knows what's what, has a grand view of things, can see dangers and problems far ahead.. and tries and tries to communicate that info down to the nut piloting the actual landing craft far below, to the one who's actually poking around, exploring things.
Only the landing craft nut has a faulty radio, only gets snippets of words here and there, and besides... she THINKS she knows what she's doing anyway, who needs all this info and direction anyway? So she basically spends most of her life mucking things up, not listening to what she's trying to tell herself, inventing ever more elaborate and confusing lies and excuses to explain and justify WHY she's being a stubborn you-know-what.
If only she'd just LISTEN ;)
I sometimes use the analogy of the moon landing. No really, follow me here...
There's this one person orbiting this world high above, pretty much knows what's what, has a grand view of things, can see dangers and problems far ahead.. and tries and tries to communicate that info down to the nut piloting the actual landing craft far below, to the one who's actually poking around, exploring things.
Only the landing craft nut has a faulty radio, only gets snippets of words here and there, and besides... she THINKS she knows what she's doing anyway, who needs all this info and direction anyway? So she basically spends most of her life mucking things up, not listening to what she's trying to tell herself, inventing ever more elaborate and confusing lies and excuses to explain and justify WHY she's being a stubborn you-know-what.
If only she'd just LISTEN ;)
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Melissa on August 21, 2006, 02:57:30 PM
Post by: Melissa on August 21, 2006, 02:57:30 PM
Quote from: Kate on August 21, 2006, 01:59:18 PM
I'd suggest two (well, it's REALLY one, but for it's kindofa particle/wave thing)...
I sometimes use the analogy of the moon landing. No really, follow me here...
There's this one person orbiting this world high above, pretty much knows what's what, has a grand view of things, can see dangers and problems far ahead.. and tries and tries to communicate that info down to the nut piloting the actual landing craft far below, to the one who's actually poking around, exploring things.
Only the landing craft nut has a faulty radio, only gets snippets of words here and there, and besides... she THINKS she knows what she's doing anyway, who needs all this info and direction anyway? So she basically spends most of her life mucking things up, not listening to what she's trying to tell herself, inventing ever more elaborate and confusing lies and excuses to explain and justify WHY she's being a stubborn you-know-what.
If only she'd just LISTEN ;)
So you're saying transition can be likened to radio repair. ;) Then you'll have control of her once again.
Melissa
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Kate on August 21, 2006, 03:17:46 PM
Post by: Kate on August 21, 2006, 03:17:46 PM
Quote from: Melissa on August 21, 2006, 02:57:30 PM
you're saying transition can be likened to radio repair. ;) Then you'll have control of her once again.
LOL, great way to put it!
(looks for toolbox)
Carlos Castaneda I think described it as "dusting the link to Spirit" or some such thing. Same as listen to your heart, follow your bliss, learning to recognize and follow synchronicities, seeing signs and meaning instead of coincidences and chance, the journey back to your True Self, self-acceptance... it's all the same message retold through different expressions methinks:
"The eye by which I see God is the same as the eye by which God sees me. My eye and God's eye are one and the same--one in seeing, one is knowing, and one in loving." - Meister Eckhart
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Furanshisu on September 09, 2006, 11:35:13 PM
Post by: Furanshisu on September 09, 2006, 11:35:13 PM
My mom has talked a lot about the emotional mind versus logical mind, and how people trying to help you can accidentally clash if they apply the opposite approach to the problem (ie. a logical response doesn't always comfort an issue of emotions, and sometimes aggrivates it.). I've always had those mind voices, like when I was a kid I called the mean one Fred, who was critical and making me think paranoid super-ego type thoughts. I feel like my personality conflicts a lot, between feelings of love and anger, science and mysticism, faith and skepticism, trust and paranoia... very weird, though one time my love said I don't conflict as much as I think I might, but still, there's a lot of chatter up there... and there's also my alter ego Francis, a character of mine I like to dress up as and also acted in a play. However, my love says I was just playing myself, and I don't disagree. Francis is like myself when I'm feeling extra excited and over the top and/or neurotic.
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Bob on September 10, 2006, 02:27:54 AM
Post by: Bob on September 10, 2006, 02:27:54 AM
Quote from: Kate on August 21, 2006, 01:59:18 PM
I'd suggest two (well, it's REALLY one, but for it's kindofa particle/wave thing)...
I sometimes use the analogy of the moon landing. No really, follow me here...
There's this one person orbiting this world high above, pretty much knows what's what, has a grand view of things, can see dangers and problems far ahead.. and tries and tries to communicate that info down to the nut piloting the actual landing craft far below, to the one who's actually poking around, exploring things.
Only the landing craft nut has a faulty radio, only gets snippets of words here and there, and besides... she THINKS she knows what she's doing anyway, who needs all this info and direction anyway? So she basically spends most of her life mucking things up, not listening to what she's trying to tell herself, inventing ever more elaborate and confusing lies and excuses to explain and justify WHY she's being a stubborn you-know-what.
If only she'd just LISTEN ;)
Well Said Kate ! Indeed that is also the feeling I had in my Younger years.
Melissa.... Its not so much as Radio repair ... just getting the RECEPTION to come in good enough to hear it well.... as there is nothing at all wrong with the transmitter... it transmits just fine... the antenna on the RECIEVEING end is a small thing that just doesn't recieve very good at all.... its almost a LINE-OF-SIGHT comunication type of thing.... as long as you have a clear line of sight you can recieve very well... but when a mountian gets in the way the reception drops sharply to the point of no reception at all.... all you get then is white noise.
and we are the same way to a great extent... as long as we are tuned in and in line of site our diferent sides or ourselves comunicate quite well, but when things get in the way, like emotions, hard headdedness, you name it the comunication becomes harder and harder to make out until all you get in just the white noise...
this is why I think its very important to keep the comunication channels open in your mind... or you could wind up with a Monopole exhistance... without any depth or thinking going on ...just going through the motions so to speak.
though we all have retreated into this "nitch" as i call it... it is far less than optimum for exhistance's sake. we become a robot or slave to life...or work and just survive without realy liveing at all.
...
Understand I realise that this Nitch is absoultly nessarry for working for a liveing... other wize it drives ya Nuts.... well, it did me ... because I couldn't stay in the "Nitch" where I needed my mind to be for work.... and there for had serious problems trying to work for a liveing.
So learning how to Turn it ON or turn it Off is a very handy skill.... My wife can do it with ease.... and all I can do is shake my head.... because I cannot ! I am stuck in full comunication mode full duplex so to speak... and I can't tune them out... if i could I could be a robot and go to work and survive it without it driveing me nuts !
....
so each of us is diferent in that respect... some strive for more comunication others strive for less reception ! .... and it all has to do with ballanceing ones own exhistance in this life.
.....
My 2 coppers !
Bob......
Title: Re: People Inside You ?
Post by: veronica06 on September 11, 2006, 09:23:37 AM
Post by: veronica06 on September 11, 2006, 09:23:37 AM
hello. just registered. so I am new here.
now to this q.
how many people are there inside?
easy to answer--difficult to answer.
mixed feelings on this.
let me try for you.
--
it says non gender talk here, but somehow I cannot ignore it.
please allow me briefly.
one is;
my woman inside.
one is the male in me.
but inside those,...oh my.
--
the male part of me,..there is an ex big rig trucker.
there is an ex taxi owner/driver.
there is an ex street kid.
there is an ex military soldier.
-----
the woman in me.........
there is the sisterly one.
there is the lets-talk-girl-to-girl,,,,one.
there is,...the free wheeling let's go shopping and have a girl's day out...one.
-----
oh my.......so many "hats" to wear....
but all in all?
only one head, only one voice...
but so so many experiences to draw on..........
===================
oh my..did I answer okay?
now to this q.
how many people are there inside?
easy to answer--difficult to answer.
mixed feelings on this.
let me try for you.
--
it says non gender talk here, but somehow I cannot ignore it.
please allow me briefly.
one is;
my woman inside.
one is the male in me.
but inside those,...oh my.
--
the male part of me,..there is an ex big rig trucker.
there is an ex taxi owner/driver.
there is an ex street kid.
there is an ex military soldier.
-----
the woman in me.........
there is the sisterly one.
there is the lets-talk-girl-to-girl,,,,one.
there is,...the free wheeling let's go shopping and have a girl's day out...one.
-----
oh my.......so many "hats" to wear....
but all in all?
only one head, only one voice...
but so so many experiences to draw on..........
===================
oh my..did I answer okay?
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Jillieann Rose on September 11, 2006, 08:22:04 PM
Post by: Jillieann Rose on September 11, 2006, 08:22:04 PM
Hi Veronicao6,
Glad you have joined.
If you would like to get to know the guys and gals better.
Tell us about yourself in Introdutions.
Jillieann
Glad you have joined.
If you would like to get to know the guys and gals better.
Tell us about yourself in Introdutions.
Jillieann
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Bob on September 15, 2006, 06:21:54 AM
Post by: Bob on September 15, 2006, 06:21:54 AM
Howdy Veronica06
welcome... and Yes you answered quite well... there are 2 major players in your being then
the male and the female.
this seams to be the norm for most people here... 2 I mean...
though I find it interesting that most here have quantified the people inside them with a "Gender" while I myself have not bothered in that respect.... being happly male Might have something to do with that, I dunno !
The more I understand about this personality ishue the more I believe that everyone has at least 2 sides to their thinking, in some form or another...although some think mainly with ONE aspect of their being , others use both on a daily basis.... and i find this very interesting...
Which brings me to the next question.... which is better ?
No doubt Pros and cons can be touted for both methods... single-minded-ness of thought
or all of your eggs in one basket so to speak.... or a broder view, spred out,collecting all viewpoints with a more brodminded outlook.
... this is just an example and by no means the only possable senerios... a single minded person can indeed have a very brod outlook and be very open minded, just as the duel thinker can be very single minded in their aproach to things...
...
this is more or less Thinking on "thinking" how do we actually think when we think.
its a dificult thing to describe and to put into words, but i find myself tossing ideas back and forth between the 2 halves of my brain, involveing both people inside me , As an example ,saying to myself in thought about a problem with the Prop I am makeing for my gyro at the moment... will having fiberglass on one side of the prop blade be enough?
to which I answer of corse it will, because the wood alone is strong enough by itself, yes but i am adding extra weight as well, yes but the added weight is also added striength. etc.etc... and so it goes as I debate all the plusses and minuses of a problem I am faceing....
I'm not sure there is a "BETTER" way of doing the thinking proccess... i think what ever works for you is the best one for you ! .... but Our history has geniouses dotted throughout our past and present and being a Genious may be something as simple as thinking diferently than the norm ! there has been studies done on the brains of Extreamily inteligant people and the phisical brain is no diferent at all than a regular person... but the thinking paterns are vastly diferent...
How and why is a very interesting idea.
... so can a regular run of the mill person become a genious over night by changeing their thinking ?
to that i'ed say NO ...not over night... changeing your thinking paterns takes many months of serious work.... so I am saying Yes to a regular person can become a genious... IF they knew How to change the thinking and in what way !
....
so what way of thinking then, is the genious Method ? how does it differ from our own methods ? is the thinking method hard wired into the brain on some special individuals
that cannot be duplicated by thought alone ?
.... too many questions , not enough answers ! <GRIN>
....
Bob........
Title: Re:Inside You ?-----------------bob
Post by: veronica06 on September 17, 2006, 10:52:47 PM
Post by: veronica06 on September 17, 2006, 10:52:47 PM
I just seen your post. and I grasp all of it.
to think...about...................................thought.
very interesting....very logical.
I love your thoughtline.
and I GUESS?...................hey..it's a shot in the dark....okay?
------------
at THIS precise moment...........I am still fully male............been raised AS male.
have had to fend for myself like a wild animal since I was 10.
never had any backup support.
so in THAT manner............."I" am full of testosterone........and adrenaline.
"I" am TOLD by 1 head shrink.........."I" am THEE model for a junk yard dog.
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now..............IF we delve into a neutered male........and start pumping female hormones........
I am TOLD to understand it to be..........that the adrenaline disappears like a puff of smoke.........
and the thoughtline.............becomes............more docile.
more.................female.
so? where does this put me?
sounds to ME like my street skills will be needed even MORE to survive because females ARE the hunted and the males are the hunters. "I" will have to learn how to be even more defensive to survive.......without physical because NO female can match a male.
I will be using wit and experience vs strength and power.
a very scary thing..at best..........
how say YOU on this?
to think...about...................................thought.
very interesting....very logical.
I love your thoughtline.
and I GUESS?...................hey..it's a shot in the dark....okay?
------------
at THIS precise moment...........I am still fully male............been raised AS male.
have had to fend for myself like a wild animal since I was 10.
never had any backup support.
so in THAT manner............."I" am full of testosterone........and adrenaline.
"I" am TOLD by 1 head shrink.........."I" am THEE model for a junk yard dog.
-----------
now..............IF we delve into a neutered male........and start pumping female hormones........
I am TOLD to understand it to be..........that the adrenaline disappears like a puff of smoke.........
and the thoughtline.............becomes............more docile.
more.................female.
so? where does this put me?
sounds to ME like my street skills will be needed even MORE to survive because females ARE the hunted and the males are the hunters. "I" will have to learn how to be even more defensive to survive.......without physical because NO female can match a male.
I will be using wit and experience vs strength and power.
a very scary thing..at best..........
how say YOU on this?
Title: Re: How Many People Inside You ?
Post by: Bob on September 18, 2006, 04:26:08 AM
Post by: Bob on September 18, 2006, 04:26:08 AM
I agree with you completely except your brod statement of no female can match a male ...
as I have seen things that would make any male respect certain females much much more<grin>
or risk having an arm broke ! hehehehe
But on the avrage Yes definately ... You will need to be on the defencive... as you so planely stated , the males are the hunters and the females are THE hunted..
your years of street-smarts should make you paranoid enough that you will have very few problems however... where gals get into truble is because they just don't know Any thing about how a male works ,thinks or reacts... You on the other hand Know this already... so don't forget it ! ....it may well save your hide in the future !
....
...How ever the idea of this thred was to scrutinize ones self and see how we think, and how many personalities there are inside each of us.
it seams that two people or consciousnesses reside in the avrage person, there may be more or less, thats just a rough guess at this time.
the way I have thought all my life is to bat ideas back and forth in my head... asking questions and giveing answers... at one point in time I was talking to myself out loud
to see if the comunication was better... if the thoughts were getting accross better...
and it did seam to improve a bit but wasn't worth the strange looks or people asking me Hay Bob who you talking to ? ... hehehehhehe so that experiment sort of faded away
but when I am realy puzzled about something i pull out all the stops and realy get into the debate ! HEHEHEH no doubt its comical as heck to a bystander ! but I have found that it works extreamily well for figureing out mechanical problems, which is what I am usually messing with....because I am very mechanical minded and love anything to do with the subject, just because it is !.
....
For instance, the other day I was trying to hook up the brakes on my Gyrocopter that I had just made from scratch, I'm proud of the fact that Not only did I design, shape and form the brakes and disks but I poured the molten alumimum to make the brake calapers out of too ! .... anyway, it worked out that one side is a bit diferent than the other side and the cable length was an important factor in the adjustment... both brakes need to come on at the same time so I have both cables goint into One cable that is actuated by a brake lever... but getting them to actuate at the same time was puzzeling because it didn't work out quite like theory said it should ! ... so after batting the problem back and forth in my head I came up with the answer of cable length adjusters for each wheel.
which cured the problem entirely.
But I have alwayse wondered if I am the only one on the planet that thinks like that or does everyone go through the same proccess ??
I remember a very good friend of Mine while we lived in the Reno Nv. Airea who we had discussions on Math.... I love math but never was realy good at it... well Tom was , infact he was so sharp with figures that he'ed have the answer before I could poke them in a calculator ! ... so I asked him how he did it.... and it was an assoation trick...
we retain (remember) much better, if we Assoiate something with a number... for instance
the number 1 was assoiated with the picture in his head of one lone tree on a hill top.
the number 2 was two logs side by side in a pasture. 3 was the trinity ( God the father ,God the son, God the holey ghost) 4 was a pitch fork with four points. and 5 was one hand with the fingers out streched...
he had pictures for all the numbers up to arround 55 or 60 that were fast and easy to recall for him... and was gaining more all the time , but he said the first 10 are the important ones...
that man never forgot a number !.... and his computations were always very acurate, though he did mess up every once in a while... he said not forgetting the numbers in the first place was crutial, and for that he had the assoiation trick the pictures in his mind of the numbers...
We are VISUALY Oriented creatures... which means if you can picture it in your head you CAN remember it with ease.
I doubted this alot so I put him to the test... because at the time I was trying very hard to learn Morse code for my Novise Ham liscnses... but I was realy stuck on how to remember all those dits and dahs.... he showed me ... on a piece of notebook paper, i then made it a plack on a board and hung it by my radio gear and learned it in about a week.... where i had been struggleing with it for at least 2 months before that...
each letter of the alphabet was converted to its dit and dah equivelants but the dits and dah's them selves were pictures of things.... the letter A was a dit and a dah naturally, but there is no Visual Refrence to clamp down on with that ... but a Bouy and a dalphin is a picture... and easily represented in a quick drawing...
after i menorized the morse code I was stuck at 5 words per minute for ages.... and I wanted to go faster... but couldn't get there ! ...then my Homer as she called herself Joan Coffer My TEACHER, told me i needed to memorize the SOUND of the letter...
that sounded like a big order but in actuality it was simple... because a Sound is something we can retain fairly easy as well.... I guess it comes from years of evolveing in the past listening for things that may try to eat you ! you need to remember them to survive! ....<GRIN> anyway.... I memorized the sounds and forgot the pictures as they were a waste of time by then... and my speed increased to 20 words per minute almost over night.... still not happy as I wanted to be an extra class ham radio operator I cept pressing on , and Joan told me now remember what the words sound like ... by then I was already doing that by instink and by the next week i was at 60 words per minute...
I never did get Extra class because You have to be able to write that fast as well ... though I could send and recieve at 60wpm I could only write at about 20wpm and i found if I tried to write, I slowed way way down.... Not the first time I wanted to be Like Cindieanna Jones in her ability to dual task simple operations ! but alas I only got to Advanced class because I couldn't pass the code portion of the Extra class .
... I said all this to make the point that there are Tricks we can use to Help us be Smarter.... to help us retain information.
I was raised to believe Ham radio operators were a realy smart group of people... only to find out they were just regular people just like me .... the same with Pilots though I think most Pilots have a serious haing up on prefectionisum ! but thats another story !
heheheheh
Each of us have the ability to do extroidnary things if we just set our minds to it !
the tricks some people use at first sound so silly but work so well, we dare not over look them.
...
well, sorry for the Novil !
got carried away again ! hehehehe
C ya !
Bob........
as I have seen things that would make any male respect certain females much much more<grin>
or risk having an arm broke ! hehehehe
But on the avrage Yes definately ... You will need to be on the defencive... as you so planely stated , the males are the hunters and the females are THE hunted..
your years of street-smarts should make you paranoid enough that you will have very few problems however... where gals get into truble is because they just don't know Any thing about how a male works ,thinks or reacts... You on the other hand Know this already... so don't forget it ! ....it may well save your hide in the future !
....
...How ever the idea of this thred was to scrutinize ones self and see how we think, and how many personalities there are inside each of us.
it seams that two people or consciousnesses reside in the avrage person, there may be more or less, thats just a rough guess at this time.
the way I have thought all my life is to bat ideas back and forth in my head... asking questions and giveing answers... at one point in time I was talking to myself out loud
to see if the comunication was better... if the thoughts were getting accross better...
and it did seam to improve a bit but wasn't worth the strange looks or people asking me Hay Bob who you talking to ? ... hehehehhehe so that experiment sort of faded away
but when I am realy puzzled about something i pull out all the stops and realy get into the debate ! HEHEHEH no doubt its comical as heck to a bystander ! but I have found that it works extreamily well for figureing out mechanical problems, which is what I am usually messing with....because I am very mechanical minded and love anything to do with the subject, just because it is !.
....
For instance, the other day I was trying to hook up the brakes on my Gyrocopter that I had just made from scratch, I'm proud of the fact that Not only did I design, shape and form the brakes and disks but I poured the molten alumimum to make the brake calapers out of too ! .... anyway, it worked out that one side is a bit diferent than the other side and the cable length was an important factor in the adjustment... both brakes need to come on at the same time so I have both cables goint into One cable that is actuated by a brake lever... but getting them to actuate at the same time was puzzeling because it didn't work out quite like theory said it should ! ... so after batting the problem back and forth in my head I came up with the answer of cable length adjusters for each wheel.
which cured the problem entirely.
But I have alwayse wondered if I am the only one on the planet that thinks like that or does everyone go through the same proccess ??
I remember a very good friend of Mine while we lived in the Reno Nv. Airea who we had discussions on Math.... I love math but never was realy good at it... well Tom was , infact he was so sharp with figures that he'ed have the answer before I could poke them in a calculator ! ... so I asked him how he did it.... and it was an assoation trick...
we retain (remember) much better, if we Assoiate something with a number... for instance
the number 1 was assoiated with the picture in his head of one lone tree on a hill top.
the number 2 was two logs side by side in a pasture. 3 was the trinity ( God the father ,God the son, God the holey ghost) 4 was a pitch fork with four points. and 5 was one hand with the fingers out streched...
he had pictures for all the numbers up to arround 55 or 60 that were fast and easy to recall for him... and was gaining more all the time , but he said the first 10 are the important ones...
that man never forgot a number !.... and his computations were always very acurate, though he did mess up every once in a while... he said not forgetting the numbers in the first place was crutial, and for that he had the assoiation trick the pictures in his mind of the numbers...
We are VISUALY Oriented creatures... which means if you can picture it in your head you CAN remember it with ease.
I doubted this alot so I put him to the test... because at the time I was trying very hard to learn Morse code for my Novise Ham liscnses... but I was realy stuck on how to remember all those dits and dahs.... he showed me ... on a piece of notebook paper, i then made it a plack on a board and hung it by my radio gear and learned it in about a week.... where i had been struggleing with it for at least 2 months before that...
each letter of the alphabet was converted to its dit and dah equivelants but the dits and dah's them selves were pictures of things.... the letter A was a dit and a dah naturally, but there is no Visual Refrence to clamp down on with that ... but a Bouy and a dalphin is a picture... and easily represented in a quick drawing...
after i menorized the morse code I was stuck at 5 words per minute for ages.... and I wanted to go faster... but couldn't get there ! ...then my Homer as she called herself Joan Coffer My TEACHER, told me i needed to memorize the SOUND of the letter...
that sounded like a big order but in actuality it was simple... because a Sound is something we can retain fairly easy as well.... I guess it comes from years of evolveing in the past listening for things that may try to eat you ! you need to remember them to survive! ....<GRIN> anyway.... I memorized the sounds and forgot the pictures as they were a waste of time by then... and my speed increased to 20 words per minute almost over night.... still not happy as I wanted to be an extra class ham radio operator I cept pressing on , and Joan told me now remember what the words sound like ... by then I was already doing that by instink and by the next week i was at 60 words per minute...
I never did get Extra class because You have to be able to write that fast as well ... though I could send and recieve at 60wpm I could only write at about 20wpm and i found if I tried to write, I slowed way way down.... Not the first time I wanted to be Like Cindieanna Jones in her ability to dual task simple operations ! but alas I only got to Advanced class because I couldn't pass the code portion of the Extra class .
... I said all this to make the point that there are Tricks we can use to Help us be Smarter.... to help us retain information.
I was raised to believe Ham radio operators were a realy smart group of people... only to find out they were just regular people just like me .... the same with Pilots though I think most Pilots have a serious haing up on prefectionisum ! but thats another story !
heheheheh
Each of us have the ability to do extroidnary things if we just set our minds to it !
the tricks some people use at first sound so silly but work so well, we dare not over look them.
...
well, sorry for the Novil !
got carried away again ! hehehehe
C ya !
Bob........
Title: Re: ?--------------bob
Post by: veronica06 on September 18, 2006, 07:17:54 AM
Post by: veronica06 on September 18, 2006, 07:17:54 AM
the way I have thought all my life is to bat ideas back and forth in my head... asking questions and giving answers... at one point in time I was talking to myself out loud
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bob oh bob---------------
lemme tell ya this lil story.
MY shrink told me...talking out loud IS normal.
you are entitled to talk to yourself
you are entitled to answer yourself
you are entitled to carry on a conversation with yourself...
it IS normal.........
it is called---------------thinking out loud.............it is an adult thing.
you can only be allowed to hear ONE voice..and it HAS TO BE yours only.
BUT?
MY issue?
I heard more than that...so I knew I was in trouble.
so I went in to see him.
yeah ok. I got meds. the voices stopped.
it's due to childhood trauma.
but the point I think I was making is;
"I"................find YOUR thoughtline logical, rational and highly intelligent.
I bow to your process..
gawd I love talking to folks that think like I do.
take care out there
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bob oh bob---------------
lemme tell ya this lil story.
MY shrink told me...talking out loud IS normal.
you are entitled to talk to yourself
you are entitled to answer yourself
you are entitled to carry on a conversation with yourself...
it IS normal.........
it is called---------------thinking out loud.............it is an adult thing.
you can only be allowed to hear ONE voice..and it HAS TO BE yours only.
BUT?
MY issue?
I heard more than that...so I knew I was in trouble.
so I went in to see him.
yeah ok. I got meds. the voices stopped.
it's due to childhood trauma.
but the point I think I was making is;
"I"................find YOUR thoughtline logical, rational and highly intelligent.
I bow to your process..
gawd I love talking to folks that think like I do.
take care out there