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Title: Today's Battles
Post by: Shana A on February 28, 2009, 05:33:51 PM
Post by: Shana A on February 28, 2009, 05:33:51 PM
Thursday, 26 February 2009
Today's Battles
Zoe Brain
http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2009/02/todays-battles_26.html (http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2009/02/todays-battles_26.html)
At Qweerty one of a breed that's all too common. When Feminists talk about the Patriarchy, and the arrogance of male privilege, this is what they mean.:
At the risk of sounding controversial, I visit Queerty because I am a gay white male. I have no interest in 'women issues'. While I'm not opposed to sporadic and infrequent attention to lesbians, I do not want this blog devoting any more time to their cause....Simply because I am gay does not mean I care about lesbians, bisexuals or transgender persons. I don't even know why some people try and group us together as one cause - GLBT - because we are not. I can see some purpose to grouping G + L and even Bs together, but not Ts. I am quite comfortable being male, and I hate being associated with crossdressers. I find Ts offensive and do not want to extend any rights to them. Remember, had we not tried to press for "gender identity" clauses in all legislation, but instead limited it to "sexual orientation", gay marriage would be legal in every state. I have to agree with straights when they observe how bizarre and socially-inept crossdressers are, with their drug use and alcohol abuse.
Transgender persons should fight their own battles, because at the moment they're hindering the rights of gays, lesbians and bisexuals everywhere.
Today's Battles
Zoe Brain
http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2009/02/todays-battles_26.html (http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2009/02/todays-battles_26.html)
At Qweerty one of a breed that's all too common. When Feminists talk about the Patriarchy, and the arrogance of male privilege, this is what they mean.:
At the risk of sounding controversial, I visit Queerty because I am a gay white male. I have no interest in 'women issues'. While I'm not opposed to sporadic and infrequent attention to lesbians, I do not want this blog devoting any more time to their cause....Simply because I am gay does not mean I care about lesbians, bisexuals or transgender persons. I don't even know why some people try and group us together as one cause - GLBT - because we are not. I can see some purpose to grouping G + L and even Bs together, but not Ts. I am quite comfortable being male, and I hate being associated with crossdressers. I find Ts offensive and do not want to extend any rights to them. Remember, had we not tried to press for "gender identity" clauses in all legislation, but instead limited it to "sexual orientation", gay marriage would be legal in every state. I have to agree with straights when they observe how bizarre and socially-inept crossdressers are, with their drug use and alcohol abuse.
Transgender persons should fight their own battles, because at the moment they're hindering the rights of gays, lesbians and bisexuals everywhere.
Title: Re: Today's Battles
Post by: imaz on February 28, 2009, 06:43:29 PM
Post by: imaz on February 28, 2009, 06:43:29 PM
"btw. In terms of ->-bleeped-<-s, I do not hate them. I like the one that appeared on the Tyra show recently. She was very human, although obviously depressed and (before Tyra rescued her) was homeless. This is embarrassing: as gay men try to gain acceptance, we need to do so on the basis that we are educated, affluent and have greater disposable incomes (due to a lack of dependents). Crossdressers go against everything we work to attain.
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I am quite content with how I live my life and, unlike you, I don't need to pretend for a moment that I must have the support of crossdressers so to be successful. I'm very happy surrounding myself with men, both gay and straight, and women, lesbian and straight. I don't need to go looking for peasants or (not to be mean) heshes for some form of validation.
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I did not matriculate with a Juris Doctor in Law so to defend ->-bleeped-<-s. I did so for selfless reasons, to work on bringing marriage equality for gay men and lesbians everywhere. It pains me when all our hard work is undermined by crossdressers, most of whom as Tyra shows, are welfare recipients, homeless and addicted to illicit drugs. They're embarrassing and as a "community" bring out reputation into disrepute."
I'm not getting this, is it a piss take or is the guy just an out and out Fascist?
Whatever it is it's despicable, I've experienced similar attitudes from "Straight" Gay males.
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I am quite content with how I live my life and, unlike you, I don't need to pretend for a moment that I must have the support of crossdressers so to be successful. I'm very happy surrounding myself with men, both gay and straight, and women, lesbian and straight. I don't need to go looking for peasants or (not to be mean) heshes for some form of validation.
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I did not matriculate with a Juris Doctor in Law so to defend ->-bleeped-<-s. I did so for selfless reasons, to work on bringing marriage equality for gay men and lesbians everywhere. It pains me when all our hard work is undermined by crossdressers, most of whom as Tyra shows, are welfare recipients, homeless and addicted to illicit drugs. They're embarrassing and as a "community" bring out reputation into disrepute."
I'm not getting this, is it a piss take or is the guy just an out and out Fascist?
Whatever it is it's despicable, I've experienced similar attitudes from "Straight" Gay males.
Title: Re: Today's Battles
Post by: SusanK on March 01, 2009, 08:02:26 AM
Post by: SusanK on March 01, 2009, 08:02:26 AM
Wow. All it seems to me is that there are two groups in the gay (men) community, the few who believe in the whole LGBT community and issues, and the majority who want nothing better than equal rights for gays (men), ok, lesbians if they take a back seat, on par with straight. The majority would just as soon completely forget transpeople, and forget the long history of support by the transcommunity to the whole LGBT causes and issues.
And to do this, all you have to do is lump the entire transcommunity, meaning DQ/FI's, TV's, CD's, and transpeople, into one catagory, ->-bleeped-<-s, and make all the assumptions on that. Simply delegitamize the whole human (trans) spectrum into a caricature of a person everyone can hate. Where have we seen this in history?
But the key is that view isn't not public, but is the personal views of the many, so that changing policy doesn't change hearts and minds. There's nothing really different between gay and straight men when they're sexist, transphobic, and ->-bleeped-<-s, their arrogance doesn't see their own ignorance.
To them, we're fine as long as we seat in the back of the and keep our mouths shut. And for heavens sakes, use the back doors so they don't have to see us, unless of course we're a young, pretty, gay (male) female illusionist.
And to do this, all you have to do is lump the entire transcommunity, meaning DQ/FI's, TV's, CD's, and transpeople, into one catagory, ->-bleeped-<-s, and make all the assumptions on that. Simply delegitamize the whole human (trans) spectrum into a caricature of a person everyone can hate. Where have we seen this in history?
But the key is that view isn't not public, but is the personal views of the many, so that changing policy doesn't change hearts and minds. There's nothing really different between gay and straight men when they're sexist, transphobic, and ->-bleeped-<-s, their arrogance doesn't see their own ignorance.
To them, we're fine as long as we seat in the back of the and keep our mouths shut. And for heavens sakes, use the back doors so they don't have to see us, unless of course we're a young, pretty, gay (male) female illusionist.