Susan's Place Transgender Resources

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QuoteLara and Kolestani, both pre-opt transgender women, were identified as men by their jailers and placed in a cell separate from the general prison population. Lara says jail officials were disrespectful.

"They were making comments the whole time, bringing people by the window so they could laugh at me like I was some freak show," Lara told the paper. "These people are the people who are supposed to serve and protect."

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Lara says jail officials have denied Kolestani hormone treatments, a regimen she's taken for over five years, for months and have refused to provide her a bra.

"We treat them [transgender inmates] as they need to be treated, and we offer them the kind of treatment that is needed by law," Jail Administrator Capt. Douglas Hughes said.

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sad. but um... even ggs don't get to keep their bras where i come from. not in jail anyway.

No they don't here neither.. they are given a training bra I think though..

She is gorgeous :D

Jay

Jail is not a nice place. In Iran they would have executed them on the spot no questions asked.

The morrow of the story is do not do anything to against the law.

Quote from: lisagurl on April 02, 2009, 06:50:28 PM
Jail is not a nice place. In Iran they would have executed them on the spot no questions asked.

The morrow of the story is do not do anything to against the law.

Absolute rubbish, get your facts right.

Iran has one of the most progressive regimes in the World in regards to Transexual issues. Imam Khomeini made special provisions for transexuals to be helped and protected even under Sharia Law.

Quote from: lisagurl on April 02, 2009, 06:50:28 PM
Jail is not a nice place ... The morrow [sic] of the story is do not do anything to against the law.

Uh huh.  Hope you remember that attitude if you ever get picked up for something, even something you didn't do.  And comparing events in a supposedly developed Western nation with a repressive theocracy--you really want a race to the bottom, where any human rights violation can be justified by pointing at a worse human rights violation elsewhere?  And they haven't even been convicted yet--they're just under suspicion.  Maybe it'll turn out they're guilty, but what if they're completely innocent?

Moral of the story is that even prisoners have basic human rights. 

QuoteIran has one of the most progressive regimes in the World in regards to Transsexual issues

Yes they execute all homosexuals.

QuoteHope you remember that attitude if you ever get picked up for something,

I never was picked up for obeying the law. I try not to even appear as if I am breaking the law. I also try to be stable enough to have bail if a mistake is made. Lawbreakers do not deserve special treatment.  It seems that human rights end when a person becomes inhuman. Only life or death situations are treated in many jails. Being arrested does not mean free medical care.

The moral of the story is do not even appear like you are doing something illegal. The system can and does take your rights away.

Since when have transexuals and homosexuals been the same thing.

No one should be executed for any reason, least of all for their sexual orientation.

"Only life or death situations are treated in many jails. Being arrested does not mean free medical care."

That may be true in the US but is certainly not true here in the EU thank God.

A citizen of the EU has human rights in or out of Jail.

Well then she was really stupid to have killed the guy in Idaho then, she should have waited for her Euro vacation and killed him in London.

So you believe that prisoners should be denied their human rights and free medical care?

How do you feel about Guantanamo while we're at it?

Quote from: tekla on April 03, 2009, 10:05:30 AM
Well then she was really stupid to have killed the guy in Idaho then, she should have waited for her Euro vacation and killed him in London.

One of the questions I found in the article was "did she actually kill her boyfriend/husband?" Or was that simply the "theory" of the event that the local cops had decided on. It might have been nice to have included whether or not the police had evidence that showed her gunshot was self-inflicted or not. I mean, last I checked people are still being murdered for being transsexual, lovers of transsexuals and for being lesbian and/or gay, no?

She maintains her innocence, and how many normally do not, and she may well have killed him. But is that anywhere close to a certainty? I wasn't able to find from the article that it was.

Nichole

Quote from: lisagurl on April 03, 2009, 09:49:26 AM
I never was picked up for obeying the law. I try not to even appear as if I am breaking the law.

You do realise that "walking whilst trans" is basically enough to get you picked up if the local cops are bigoted enough?  What if you were to get assaulted and defend yourself, and then later find yourself under investigation?  What if, as happened in this story (which I kind of suspect you haven't actually read properly), a loved one of yours is found murdered and you're picked up on suspicion of murder?  Of course the accused woman might be guilty of murder, but it hasn't been proven yet.

Ah, but you "keep stable" enough to be able to pay bail.  That's good.  The rest of us mere mortals know that we might lose our livelihoods somewhere down the line because of a tanking economy or through illness, accident, discrimination; we know that disability or mental health problems can strike anyone at any time, regardless of how "stable" they feel themselves to be.  You will also never grow old and find yourself on a reduced income thereby.  And even though bail for murder can run into millions, you know you'll have that kind of dosh lying around just in case.  That must be some special kind of career path right there.  You really should share your secret.

QuoteYou really should share your secret.

Avoid Friday and Saturday nights along with any possible association with people under drugs or impaired by any substance. Learn to control your emotions and only do things that make the world a better place. Avoid any marketing ideas and only buy what is necessary to survive.

You want us to die of boredom? ;D

Quote from: imaz on April 05, 2009, 08:50:34 AM
You want us to die of boredom? ;D

If you like yourself and use your imagination you will never be bored. Marketing are the one's that tell you you can only be happy if you buy their product. Being alive is much better than consuming which kills you imagination.

Quote from: lisagurl on April 04, 2009, 08:41:24 AM
Avoid Friday and Saturday nights along with any possible association with people under drugs or impaired by any substance. Learn to control your emotions and only do things that make the world a better place. Avoid any marketing ideas and only buy what is necessary to survive.

And this simple formula will not only prevent one from ever being falsely accused of a crime, but will ensure adequate bail money (even for big-ticket charges like murder, where you might need a few mill) by preventing you from ever being injured, ever becoming disabled, ever contracting a disease that prevented you from working, ever needing to retire, and ever suffering from a mental health problem?  You should submit your findings to The Lancet, you'd be a shoo-in for the Nobel Prize.

Oh well, it's pretty clear that you're not actually going to address anything I've written here and you still haven't read the linked news article.  I honestly hope that nothing like this ever happens to you, and that you get to enjoy your cloud-cuckoo-land indefinately.

QuoteOh well, it's pretty clear that you're not actually going to address anything I've written here and you still haven't read the linked news article

I think you do not read past the propaganda but than Spain is very controlling. It is a simple test to see if someone fired a gun. You do not get arrested and held in the U.S. without evidence. Giving false information to police is like perjury. Bail is set according to the crime and evidence. It seems these two are in for a rough ride and are a risk to run. Being stable means you have ties to the community and contribute to society. Being responsible requires character and evidence you care. Without it your life is not worth much and you are treated as such. I think you have not experienced jail or different cultures as I have had. You might think any behavior is OK as long as you are not caught. Yes Justice takes time and if they can prove they are falsely imprisoned they can get compensation. I doubt the police are going to risk that. I would suggest they cooperate and find themselves a good lawyer. Creating a problem in jail is only going to make life more difficult for them.

Quote from: heatherrose on April 05, 2009, 04:11:26 PM

So, what is the going rate of compensation for being repeatedly gang raped while falsely imprisoned.

Prison is not a nice place no matter what gender you appear. Men are raped all the time. These two are in a separate cell.  If you can not do the time do not do the crime. It would also be a good idea not to have a relationship in your target gender till you have SRS. But then the risk you take is your own so do not expect sympathy when you disobey the law. Do you think the judicial system is designed to treat people with evidence of committing murder the same as the law abiding citizen? It is true that you are considered  innocent till proved guilty but that does not mean you have the same rights. You are a ward of the state and that has restrictions along with conditions that are not of your preferred desires.

You have the right to remain silent anything you say can and will be used against you. You have the right to an attorney if you can not afford an attorney one will be appointed to you. Does that sound like you have the same rights? you get locked up hand cuffed your picture is taken and you have a record of being arrested. No you do not have the same rights as some one who has not been arrested. You have rights but not the freedom of speech, not the freedom to go where you want , not the freedom to pursue happiness. You become a ward of the state and have to abide by there rules until court sets you free. If they do not have evidence they have to set you free. If they have evidence your lawyer can try to get bail. If you are not stable and can not come up with 10% of the bail money you are to remain in jail till your trail. Does that sound like you have the same rights as a law abiding citizen? It is true you are not considered guilty but that does not mean you are free of the charges. It is not Nazi or just Idaho. It is to safe guard the public and insure you will come to court. The same thing happens to anyone even Ms Hilton. Being different does not give you any special rights.

I have been in jail and I paid my fines.  The mattress was full of lice and no one warned me. Jail is not a nice place. I hope you never think about doing anything against the law. Sorry you have no understanding about your rights and how law breakers are treated before and after court.

P.S. you do go to court for a bail hearing.