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Title: FTM Post-OP
Post by: Mister on May 21, 2009, 05:39:32 PM
Post by: Mister on May 21, 2009, 05:39:32 PM
There's been at least one or two threads getting opinions on what exactly constitutes someone as post-op.... and most of them have a small handful of posts on FTMs before they go on for pages about MTF.
So, what do you think? I just read someone bringing up altered hormones as the benchmark-- since testosterone shuts down the female reproductive system from producing estrogen, does that count? Or is a hysterectomy required? Is just top surgery enough? I'm interested to hear everyone's perspective.
So, what do you think? I just read someone bringing up altered hormones as the benchmark-- since testosterone shuts down the female reproductive system from producing estrogen, does that count? Or is a hysterectomy required? Is just top surgery enough? I'm interested to hear everyone's perspective.
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: Miniar on May 21, 2009, 06:24:16 PM
Post by: Miniar on May 21, 2009, 06:24:16 PM
Post Op in my mind means "once you've done all the surgeries you intend to".
But it does require "surgery" to be done in the first place.
I'm thinking I'll count hystorectomy + top surgery to be all I'll do, and then, once I've done those, I'll be "Post Op".
But it does require "surgery" to be done in the first place.
I'm thinking I'll count hystorectomy + top surgery to be all I'll do, and then, once I've done those, I'll be "Post Op".
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: Nero on May 21, 2009, 06:36:53 PM
Post by: Nero on May 21, 2009, 06:36:53 PM
Quote from: Miniar on May 21, 2009, 06:24:16 PM
Post Op in my mind means "once you've done all the surgeries you intend to".
But it does require "surgery" to be done in the first place.
I'm thinking I'll count hystorectomy + top surgery to be all I'll do, and then, once I've done those, I'll be "Post Op".
What Min said.
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: DarkLady on May 22, 2009, 01:33:59 AM
Post by: DarkLady on May 22, 2009, 01:33:59 AM
I think that usually when people talk about post-op/pre-op they mean MTF:s.
I have no idea what makes FTM:s post-op. Hormones work better for FTM:s and the social environment is more acceptive so the genital surgery does not play so important role than for MTF:s.
For example using public restrooms is problematic in case you are MTF and still posses a penis but look just like woman in other ways.
I have no idea what makes FTM:s post-op. Hormones work better for FTM:s and the social environment is more acceptive so the genital surgery does not play so important role than for MTF:s.
For example using public restrooms is problematic in case you are MTF and still posses a penis but look just like woman in other ways.
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: Dennis on May 22, 2009, 09:08:02 AM
Post by: Dennis on May 22, 2009, 09:08:02 AM
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: myles on May 22, 2009, 09:15:57 AM
Post by: myles on May 22, 2009, 09:15:57 AM
Quote from: Miniar on May 21, 2009, 06:24:16 PMSame here.
Post Op in my mind means "once you've done all the surgeries you intend to".
But it does require "surgery" to be done in the first place.
I'm thinking I'll count hystorectomy + top surgery to be all I'll do, and then, once I've done those, I'll be "Post Op".
Myles
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: DarkLady on May 22, 2009, 09:52:02 AM
Post by: DarkLady on May 22, 2009, 09:52:02 AM
In that case is totally open am I post-op or not. I may need FFS but I am not yet sure. (I have to first recover from SRS)
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: J.T. on May 22, 2009, 03:30:34 PM
Post by: J.T. on May 22, 2009, 03:30:34 PM
Agree with Min
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: Susan on May 22, 2009, 03:40:34 PM
Post by: Susan on May 22, 2009, 03:40:34 PM
Quote from: Miniar on May 21, 2009, 06:24:16 PM
Post Op in my mind means "once you've done all the surgeries you intend to".
But it does require "surgery" to be done in the first place.
I'm thinking I'll count hystorectomy + top surgery to be all I'll do, and then, once I've done those, I'll be "Post Op".
I have a pretty specific definition which is used on the site. But basically it is as follows.
MTF Postop: HRT + RLT + Bottom Surgery
FTM Postop: HRT + RLT + Top Surgery. (Hysterectomy optional)
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: Luc on May 22, 2009, 10:55:17 PM
Post by: Luc on May 22, 2009, 10:55:17 PM
Okay, first of all, how the heck would other women in a women's restroom know whether or not you have a penis???
But really... I would think top surgery being completed would be post-op for an ftm. As I tend to eschew labels as well as I can, though, I'm not concerned.
SD
But really... I would think top surgery being completed would be post-op for an ftm. As I tend to eschew labels as well as I can, though, I'm not concerned.
SD
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: Jay on May 23, 2009, 04:34:31 AM
Post by: Jay on May 23, 2009, 04:34:31 AM
What Min said!
But I totally understand people not having bottom surgery or hysto.
Jay
But I totally understand people not having bottom surgery or hysto.
Jay
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: Miniar on May 23, 2009, 07:21:21 AM
Post by: Miniar on May 23, 2009, 07:21:21 AM
Quote from: Jay on May 23, 2009, 04:34:31 AM
But I totally understand people not having bottom surgery or hysto.
Agreed.
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: Mister on May 23, 2009, 04:05:57 PM
Post by: Mister on May 23, 2009, 04:05:57 PM
Susan's definitions seem a bit archaic to me. Now that SOC is becoming less popular and informed consent is gaining momentum, RLE isn't done anywhere near as often. I know I never did it.... so despite everything else, I'd be deemed pre-op on this site. Strange.
I understand people not wanting bottom surg, but hysto? when there's strong medicial support saying they're necessary? And we had a high profile death to ovarian cancer/discrimination? Hell no. That makes no sense to me at all.
I understand people not wanting bottom surg, but hysto? when there's strong medicial support saying they're necessary? And we had a high profile death to ovarian cancer/discrimination? Hell no. That makes no sense to me at all.
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: J.T. on May 29, 2009, 07:17:45 PM
Post by: J.T. on May 29, 2009, 07:17:45 PM
Yeah, i didn't do RLT either. For FTMs i don't really think that exists.
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: myles on May 29, 2009, 07:54:29 PM
Post by: myles on May 29, 2009, 07:54:29 PM
I have never chatted with or met a guy who has had to do the RLT or RLE. I was wondering if it was something that is done as much in the US as other places?
Myles
Myles
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: DarkLady on May 30, 2009, 07:22:10 AM
Post by: DarkLady on May 30, 2009, 07:22:10 AM
So they do not demand RLT from transmen? ???
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: Dennis on May 30, 2009, 09:22:54 AM
Post by: Dennis on May 30, 2009, 09:22:54 AM
Quote from: DarkLady on May 30, 2009, 07:22:10 AM
So they do not demand RLT from transmen? ???
No, the standards say 3 months therapy or RLT. And some doctors will just prescribe with informed consent. The reason apparently is that it's so hard to pass without T for some transmen. I, for example, could never have passed pre-T no matter what I wore. So I did T for 9 months before living as male.
Dennis
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: Miniar on May 30, 2009, 12:19:59 PM
Post by: Miniar on May 30, 2009, 12:19:59 PM
This is what I'm working on the wording regarding for my meetup with psychiatrist in July
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: DarkLady on June 04, 2009, 09:04:41 AM
Post by: DarkLady on June 04, 2009, 09:04:41 AM
However in case words should be used as they are generally understood post-op FTM is as post-op MTF meaning that the genital surgery has been complited. For MTF:s it needs to be SRS/vaginoplasty not orchi.
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: Suzy on June 04, 2009, 12:44:24 PM
Post by: Suzy on June 04, 2009, 12:44:24 PM
Quote from: Sebastien on May 22, 2009, 10:55:17 PM
Okay, first of all, how the heck would other women in a women's restroom know whether or not you have a penis???
Well when some girls have their feet going the wrong way, visible under the crack at the bottom of the door, that is usually a dead giveaway. I know it sounds stupid, but some are just dumb enough to do it.
Others talk about the difference between the sounds the urine stream makes. A vagina has a definite hiss. If you get freaked out over that, I suggest you say "shhhhhhh" every time you uninate when others are around.
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Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: DarkLady on June 04, 2009, 01:04:04 PM
Post by: DarkLady on June 04, 2009, 01:04:04 PM
I never understood the feet issue. That is why so many looked me so weirdly...
And in case somebody has feet wrong way in the women's restroom the person does not belong to there.
And in case somebody has feet wrong way in the women's restroom the person does not belong to there.
Title: Re: FTM Post-OP
Post by: Tabe on June 05, 2009, 03:37:35 AM
Post by: Tabe on June 05, 2009, 03:37:35 AM
Well, I agree with min when he said that it's however many surgeries that you want done are done, as long as something is done.
For me, I had my top surgery on Tuesday, and consider myself post-op. In addition, I have only been on T for 10 mos., but once all the legal junk goes through, I'll consider my transition officially over, despite the fact that I don't even have a sorry excuse for a beard yet.
I know a lot of people talk about hysterectomy. I really don't care for one, for personal reasons. If something happens and doctors are worried about cancer and insurance will pay for it, then I'll take care of it. Not beforehand. I don't consider hysterectomy a trans surgery for me personally (this is just for me, guys. I know how important it can be to others). Just general upkeep and removal of a useless organ. Kind of like the appendix when people start having trouble with it.
But hey, that's just my take on things.
For me, I had my top surgery on Tuesday, and consider myself post-op. In addition, I have only been on T for 10 mos., but once all the legal junk goes through, I'll consider my transition officially over, despite the fact that I don't even have a sorry excuse for a beard yet.
I know a lot of people talk about hysterectomy. I really don't care for one, for personal reasons. If something happens and doctors are worried about cancer and insurance will pay for it, then I'll take care of it. Not beforehand. I don't consider hysterectomy a trans surgery for me personally (this is just for me, guys. I know how important it can be to others). Just general upkeep and removal of a useless organ. Kind of like the appendix when people start having trouble with it.
But hey, that's just my take on things.