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It appears there are no Metroid fans here, but what about Zelda? everyone loves Zelda right?! (windwaker aside) Well have you seen the released artwork for the newest one to be scheduled for wii?

Hey, I'm a metroid fan - played the ones on 64 and game cube.  Also played most of the Zelda's to completion on the same platforms.  I even liked Wind Waker.  ;D

Lately though, I haven't had much time to play.  :(

I've got a Wii, but haven't seen the latest.  Do you have a link? (no pun intended!!!)

I can't stand the wii, I'm all about ocarina of time  ;D

http://www.shacknews.com/images/image-o-matic.x?/images/sshots/Art/12201/12201_4a299787ed348.jpg (http://www.shacknews.com/images/image-o-matic.x?/images/sshots/Art/12201/12201_4a299787ed348.jpg)

The newest concept art, and only information revealed so far on the newest Zelda.

Er, there was no Metroid on N64 btw.  I've played and beaten all Metroids currently out, I've played, beaten and OWN all current Zelda games!  Ocarina of Time was THE BEST, with Twilight Princess a close second... I love Midna!  Windwaker sucked major Ganny-testes! Story line was way out of wack, and well look at the little mentally challenged "Link" who isn't in anyway related to Ocarina of time Link by the game's own Admission.  Phantom Hourglass sucked, but was ok, as long as "Toon Link" stays on the DS I'll be happy, but Spirit Tracks looks way too stupid to even bother with.

Quote from: Adrianna on June 14, 2009, 09:48:50 AM
Er, there was no Metroid on N64 btw. 

I believe he's talking about Metroid Prime, which was on the N64.

Quote from: Jeatyn on June 14, 2009, 05:03:16 AM
I'm all about ocarina of time  ;D

I like the sequel, Majora's Mask.

Quote from: Lisbeth on June 14, 2009, 10:13:22 AM
I believe he's talking about Metroid Prime, which was on the N64.

Originally anouced for the N64 however was released for GCN (I'm replaying it right now actually lol)

Quote from: Adrianna on June 14, 2009, 05:19:21 PM
Originally anouced for the N64 however was released for GCN (I'm replaying it right now actually lol)

*scratches her head* How was it my kids kids played it all the time when they never had a GCN?

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmetroid.neoseeker.com%2Fw%2Fi%2Fmetroid%2Fb%2Fba%2FMetroidPrimebox.jpg&hash=6a47776f0410b1b35c6b15566bdecaf739746fb7)

As you can see, it is indeed for the GCN.  Maybe they were playing a different game? The was never a Metroid for N64.  Maybe they were playing Super Metroid? on the SNES? I don't know.

I guess I didn't phrase that too well.  First Metroid I played was on Game Cube. 

I thought Twilight Princess on Wii was great.

Back to Game Cube - any Pikmin fans?  Pikmin2 not so much, but I really had fun with Pikmin.  I'm a big fan of puzzle type games - any recs for Wii?

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Oh yeah, forgot to mention - anybody play Conker's Bad Fur Day?

Zelda's a good one, I did enjoy Wind Waker, but OoT will be my favourite.

Loved Pikmin, and Pikmin 2.  Can't wait for a 3rd!  I've played Conker's Bad Fur Day... never beat it, but peeing on the Gnomes was.. interesting.  I liked the multiplayer in that one, especially the cavemen vs. raptors... loved playing the raptors!

Conker had a lot more disgusting things than that before you got to the end...

:laugh:

I only played Pikmin briefly, but Pikmin 2 was incredible.

Conkers bad fur day was freakin hilarious, one scene that I particularly remember was that giant poop that sang a song XD

I love Zelda ;D I just recently beat Twilight Princess. I'll always be an Ocarina of Time fan though.

Go Ganondorf

Quote from: Vincent on June 18, 2009, 05:20:29 AM
I love Zelda ;D I just recently beat Twilight Princess. I'll always be an Ocarina of Time fan though.

Go Ganondorf

Ganny-kins! lol I love Ocarina of Time, I've always thought that if Nintendo wanted some quick money all they would have to do is remake OoT by replacing all the models with Twilight Princess models.  Wouldn't it be awesome playing it with TP Graphics?

Quote from: Adrianna on June 18, 2009, 07:52:55 AM
Ganny-kins! lol I love Ocarina of Time, I've always thought that if Nintendo wanted some quick money all they would have to do is remake OoT by replacing all the models with Twilight Princess models.  Wouldn't it be awesome playing it with TP Graphics?

Oh God that would be epic. If Nintendo would just keep the characters looking the same but just added the TP graphics it would be so awesome

I did not like the way Ganondorf looked in TP. He didn't look right

Quote from: Vincent on June 18, 2009, 03:15:25 PM
Oh God that would be epic. If Nintendo would just keep the characters looking the same but just added the TP graphics it would be so awesome

I did not like the way Ganondorf looked in TP. He didn't look right

See I thought he looked AWESOME in TP, though if they were to use it for a remake of OoT they would have to round out his ears, since Gannondorf was Human in OoT not Hylian.

/raisehand

Played them all except the CD-I games, the Oracle duo, and Minish Cap. Loved everyone I've played, with Link's Awakening being the first game I beat that ever made me cry. (I believe either Earthbound or Final Fantasy VI was the next.) My personal favorite overall is a tie between Twilight Princess and Wind Waker, but if talking story alone I've got to go with Ocarina of Time.

The way the games add just enough "new" each release to keep them from being too simliar but also manage to not seem too foreign amazes me. Hell, Majora's Mask was created almost entirely from art assets reused from Ocarina, yet the mask system, the "Groundhog's Day" hook, and the bizarro world angle made that seem irrelevant.

Like anyone else, I'm eagerly awaiting what kind of "new" will be in the next game. The concept art gives some heavy hints, but I have a feeling no matter how sure we are of what it means, we'll still be surprised in the end.

EDIT: Just read through some of the Toon Link hate. . .I found it's story rather keen, considering it's really the first Legend of Zelda with a tale built around a "Legend of Zelda" in a sense. The "Link" in the game may not have been to be related to the Link of Ocarina of Time, but the game did help reinforce the concept of Link, Zelda, and Ganon's essences being eternal forces with fates intertwined with their world's greatest moments. That alone made me stand-up and take notice. Follow it up with a surprisingly intimidating and sympathetic portrayal of Ganondorf, and I'm one happy player.

Stylistically, I put it up there with Twilight Princess. . .It just represents the other end of the spectrum. A very necessary one, too, I might add. Wind Waker really captured the juxtaposition of Link's youth to the danger at hand. The young Link of OoT may have looked more real, but WW's Link "feels" more real. I'd actually go as far as to say WW's Link has more character period than other incarnations of Link, which I believe was part of the point of the game's style. I'll actually be sad if the Wind Waker world remains confined to the DS; the colors and expressions didn't "pop" very well in Phantom Hourglass due to the hardware's limitations.

Oh oh oh OH!! Zelda :D! I love that game!

Ocarina of Time and Link to the Past are my favorites :D

Yay for Zelda, YAY for everyone's posts! Boo to WindWaker still!

Sorry but although you make SOME valid points about Wind Waker, the story still sucked major Furry Ganon Nuts. I mean, the story had way too many plot holes to make any sense at all (and you can't forget that Spirit Tracks has to be one of the Stupidest Concepts anyone's ever seen!)

The game took way too long to get anywhere important, the characters looked like they were high on something. Tell me, if the world flooded, what happened to the Zora's?  Wouldn't it make sense that if the world was flooded the Zora's would still be alive? The only Zora's that seemed to be in there, were more like the evil "River Zoras" of old.  If the islands are all the tops of the lands highest mountains, then wouldn't it make sense that the Gorons (who lived on the mountains all along) would still be alive? Yet we only see them in Phantom Hourglass which takes place in a dream world WAY too similar to Link's Awakening (Damn straight that dude looked like the windfish!).  How did the Deku Tree uproot its self and climb a mountain?  Why did the Kokiri turn into little tree people, yet the sage's spirit still looks like Kokiri.  Speaking of which, the sages spirits were obviously descendants of both Saria and Ruto.  How though, could Saria have children?  And Honestly.... the King of Hyrule turned into a boat?

I will give the games props for it's combat system, and being the only game where Link kills a human.  On that not however, why was there only Ganondorf, and no Ganon?

Wind Waker's universe wasn't very consistent with the rest of the Zelda games, true, but it was different. The sailing wasn't the greatest, but I found the exploration more fun than in any other Zelda game. The dungeons were more well-designed as well. Artistically, WW was a bit bleh, but it was fun. That's why it's my favourite Zelda yet.

Quote from: TooManyToasters on June 30, 2009, 11:20:28 AM
Wind Waker's universe wasn't very consistent with the rest of the Zelda games, true, but it was different. The sailing wasn't the greatest, but I found the exploration more fun than in any other Zelda game. The dungeons were more well-designed as well. Artistically, WW was a bit bleh, but it was fun. That's why it's my favourite Zelda yet.

Hit the nail on the head for me. When I mentioned earlier how games in the series manage to be new without being too different, WW did lack a lot of new. I won't lie: When I first played the demo, I was a bit let down that the controls and interface were identical to OoT/MM. But once I got to play through the game, I wound up satisfied nonetheless.

Also, I stumbled upon some WW manga. . .Funny stuff. It follows the story of the game, but does so in little skit-like sequences. Hadn't read many, but I love the one where Link's sneaking up on a pig, then remembers getting soup from his grandmother. The resulting thoughts of the "item get" sound scare the pig off.  :laugh:

Side notes: I thought near the end of the game it was heavily implied the civilized Zoras evolved into the bird race. The spirits were just that: spirits. Essences. Core beings to the world which take many forms throughout the world's history. Unlike Zelda, Link, and Ganon, though, the forms taken are very different from their core beings. As far as the Deku Tree. . .seeds? The young tree in OoT may have had it's own personality, but who's to say the memories of the previous tree didn't carry over?

And the King of Hyrule. . .Thought that was made very clear the boat was merely a vessel for his consciousness.

The main point being we're to understand a long passage of time has occurred in this game's world. More than enough time for races to evolve, adapt, change, etc. in response to the flood. The only thing I can't explain is Ganondorf: the story makes clear he is indeed the same Ganon (or much rather the same evil) from the legend. I suppose his powers diminished.

Quote from: Adrianna on June 30, 2009, 08:05:54 AM
Yay for Zelda, YAY for everyone's posts! Boo to WindWaker still!
the story still sucked major Furry Ganon Nuts.

I lol'd XDD

I hate everyone who says that the bird race were what the Zora evolved into. It's a load of bull.  Evolution is about adapting to be able to better survive in one's environment.  If a race of fish people, who live in water, can breathe in water, and move perfectly in water's world suddenly got FLOODED the only necessary evolution would possibly be switching from fresh to salt water.  Being unable to breathe in water, and the only means of travel by leg or wing in a world where the vast majority of substance is WATER is a disadvantage, not an advantage. Therefore, the Zora's could not possibly evolve into bird people, period.

i thot these games were about mindless entertainment and escapism.  now you're telling me there's supposed to be a coherent story that i'm supposed to pay attention to.

i'm so ashamed of myself.

hmm, maybe it's time to pull out that viewtiful joe i never finished, i know there's no story there!

or do i

What could have possibly given you the impression that Zelda games have no plot? Or are you talking about games in general?

i was being facetious.  i've never bothered to look for inconsistencies from release to release in the zelda (or any other) games, i'm in it for the mindless entertainment, i don't want to analyze it and figure out if zorans can or should evolve into phazon shriekbats.  give me a sword, or a walking bomb or a plasma beam and i'll take it from there. hopefully the game will creep me out or scare the snot out of me occasionally.

i can see how others would want to go into deep analysis, but it's not for me

I normally do not go into "deep analysis" of any game.  As long as the story is captivating and fun, that's good enough for me.  However, being labeled as a "Zelda" I had high expectations for Windwaker despite it's retarded appearance.  Since the Zelda games are never released in proper order, the inconsistencies wouldn't have made much of a difference.  However, Myiamoto himself screwed that up.  By stating even before the game was released that "This game takes place several hundred years after Ocarina of Time!"  With that single statement, he was finally giving us a proper time line, and stating that this world IS the Ocarina of Time Hyrule.  As such it would be expected to have been properly connected with the previous Zelda game.

All the story told us, was that Hyrule was flooded after Link didn't return.  Why did Link leave? Why didn't he return?  Well that explanation we could at least hope for in a new game.  It's to be believed, as per previous statements from Mr. Miyamoto himself that all Links up until this point were descendants of the "original" Link.  However during the course of Windwaker it is revealed that that Link, is in NO WAY related to any of the previous Links.  He's just some random kid, who even hated wearing Link's clothing!  Furthermore, nothing else in the story made any coherent sense.  We have never got confirmation on what happened to the Zoras, and anyone who says they evolved into the bird people with no proof other than the fact their mountain happens to have the same symbol as the water temple from Ocarina pisses me off!  It's not a plausible outcome, and even if Miyamoto himself says it, I'll be pissed off at him too.

I'm just happy it appears that Toon Link will be restricted to the DS, while Wii will keep the Twilight Princess art style.  It's sad that once Spirit Tracks is released (if it hasn't been already) that I will have to stop saying "I've owned and played every Zelda game ever released," but at least I can switch it to "I've owned and played every good Zelda game ever released."  Windwaker was an okay game in it's own right, it just did not sit well as a "Zelda" game.  Nintendo was simply using a classic game title to entice people to buy a new style of game visuals that they weren't sure people would want.  Sadly it worked for most people, the only reason I bought Windwaker though was that if I pre-ordered I could get Ocarina of Time: Master's Quest.

Quote from: Adrianna on June 30, 2009, 06:15:11 PM
I hate everyone who says that the bird race were what the Zora evolved into. It's a load of bull.  Evolution is about adapting to be able to better survive in one's environment.  If a race of fish people, who live in water, can breathe in water, and move perfectly in water's world suddenly got FLOODED the only necessary evolution would possibly be switching from fresh to salt water.  Being unable to breathe in water, and the only means of travel by leg or wing in a world where the vast majority of substance is WATER is a disadvantage, not an advantage. Therefore, the Zora's could not possibly evolve into bird people, period.

Unless their sole purpose in even existing as a water-dwelling species to begin with was to avoid other sentient species. The Zoras have always struck me at least as being the most xenophobic civilization in the Zelda universe. With the world flooded and. . ."humans" (for lack of a better term) taking to the sea like fish, what better way to get away from them than to take to the air?

The idea of the Zora's potential evolution into the birds, however, most follows the concept of these eternal forces in the world finding new homes. "Evolution" in this case doesn't imply a strict biological advantage to survival as much as a spiritual shift in perceivable representation while adhering to a core ideology. "Evolution" is a lot less of a mouthful than all of that, though.  ;)

I would like to point out: "Hate" is an awfully strong word to describe how you feel towards someone disagreeing with you on a matter of opinion regarding the interpretation of entertainment. From the your choices of words, phrases, and overall tone of your last few posts, it seems to me you either did not start this thread in the interest of hearing opinions about the franchise different than your own or did not start this thread expecting them. As such, I will not be revisiting this thread.

  Your right I did not start this thread about any of the previous games, I started it in regards to the new game coming out and opinions on the released artwork thereof.  In my personal opinion there are two types of Zelda fans. The new ones (young kids) brought in by Windwaker, who's parents won't allow them to play any of the good ones because the games are mature.  This group also involves the ingrates who believe the Windwaker style was more enjoyable then the Twilight Princess style and thus giving up on the best game in the world Ocarina of Time.  Secondly, the core Zelda fans.  The true fans who were either brought in by Ocarina of Time, or the Original which was coincidentally released the same year I was born.

  Mr. Myiamoto knows this as well, and as such it makes sense why it seems he has now restricted the Windwaker style to the handhelds.  The rebuttal about the spiritual evolution due to xenophobia is sort of a moot point, and collapses its self.  If it was turly due to xenophobia, then once again, evolving into a bird race to live on an island where many people can easily get to by boat (not to mention being the mail carriers) makes no sense at all.  It would then make further sense to stay as fish people where they could live deep beneath the ocean (ala Oracle of Time) where no one can get to. Q.E.D. the rebuttal only serves to strengthen my own opinion.

  Anyway could we please get back on topic about the newest Zelda game coming out please? Should I re-post the link to the picture?