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Hey. So somewhere I read a study (yes, more studies) that said that gay/lesbian/bisexual/transsexual/not "standard hetero" people were more likely to be left handed or ambidextrous. I don't know where it is so I can't link to it. Any thoughts on why this would be? I'm personally a lefty.

SilverFang

Hmm, do you have a link to it?

Because it just might be similar the whole thing about artists supposedly being more likely to be left handed or the ring finger thing for LGTB. Correlation is not causation type thing.

Alright so I googled it, and actually it's apparently paid more attention than I thought. I'll link a couple studies/articles.

http://www.narth.com/docs/lefthand.html (http://www.narth.com/docs/lefthand.html)

http://www.pfc.org.uk/node/784 (http://www.pfc.org.uk/node/784)

Apparently TS are also likely to have a mother with many siblings. Odd how that would work. My mother's got eight siblings and my father a couple half siblings. That true for anyone else then?

SilverFang

Well I am right handed.  Right side is more predominant.

An ex brother-in-law, who was left-handed, use to say that left-handed people or in their right mind.  Because he read somewhere that the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body.


Janet

Just more to love, Honey.

Right handed, with three lefty siblings.

Mother an only until she was 10, then had a sibling.  Not until she in her 20s did my grandmother have 2 more kids.



Jay

I always thought of myself as ambidextrous, although I almost always write with my right hand.  My mother was one of ten surviving children.  (Gad, they had a lot of kids back then!)

Whenever I take one of those tests to find out if I'm right-brained or left-brained, I end up real close to the middle. ???  I've always been interested in the bridge between different fields - management and engineering, the computer/user interface, trained in both blue-collar and white-collar fields, etc.

It seems like I've always been stuck in the middle. :P  But now I'm definitely becoming Kate.  We'll see how that goes. ;)

- Kate

I'm a lefty but my Mom only has one sibling, my Dad on the other hand has seventeen siblings.

QuoteCorrelation is not causation type thing.

What he said.

Statistically, Alzheimer's is very rare among heavy smokers.  Hmm, perhaps Phillip Morris should run a "Smoking Prevents Alzheimer's" campaign? :) lol

Oh - right handed, btw

I'm right handed.
I'm one of seven siblings.
Mom is one of three. Dad is one of four.

You sound like the Borg, one of seven! :)

Quote from: finewine on July 31, 2009, 09:09:14 AM
You sound like the Borg, one of seven! :)

I think technically I'd have to say Five of Seven then, since I'm the fifth child.

totally and completely, hopelessly a southpaw. South foot, too. Also an artist by trade. Oldest of 4, my siblings are all either also left handed or ambidextrous.

Mostly lefty with certain ambidextrous functionality. Also red-hair (well mostly gray now) like someone else. Mom was one of eight, not sure of dad.

Interesting, I guess I fall somewhere in the 'norm' for the transgendered. Whoot!

What the hell is a "hook grip"?

Kind of off topic, but moderately interesting in a disturbing kind of way. I decided to dig out my Psychology textbook from college to see it had to say about GID, TG, TS, etc.

There was nothing about transgendered or transexual and one paragraph about GID. It basically described it as a childhood condition whereby the child believes they are the opposite gender and prefer to play with the toys of the other. And in some circumstances, when severe, patients will undergo gender reassignment surgery. It also mentioned that GID is attributed to not being properly reprimanded by mom when we did something that was not acceptable for our birth gender.

I guess my mom didn't discipline enough, I don't remember having any girls toys when growing up. Is that complete BS or what? I could kind of understand if the textbook was from the 50's or 60's, but, no, copyright 2006. One paragraph out of 500 pages, someone needs to get with the 21st century.

Southpaw 4 life!
/me foams at the mouth

I'm a lefty myself, but I just wanted to mention that for my senior year statistics project, I did a study on exactly this subject with my fellow seniors comprising the sample through an anonymous survey.  Granted, my sampling techniques probably don't guarantee objectivity, but there actually was a good amount of correlation between those who identified as something other than straight and those who were left-handed.  I believe it was significant at a 95% level of confidence, with n=240ish.

right handed, have two siblings, mother had three siblings, father had two siblings

I'm ambidextrous (with a right side dominance), my younger brother and mother are both lefties (and "normal").
There are 4 kids on moms side, 5 on dads (counting them).


What is hook grip?

Wikipedia says a hook grip is a way a weightlifter holds the barbell, if it is intended in a different context, I'm as clueless as everyone else

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_grip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_grip)
http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/DEA3250notes/mmh.html (http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/DEA3250notes/mmh.html)

I'm a lefty. I dont have any pure sibling i have 11 half brothers and sisters. 3 from my mom and the rest from my dad....all diffrerent mothers...my dads a man whore. LOL I still love him though.

I can't remember but i think i'm the only lefty...i THINK...

Dont know about my aunt and uncles i never asked...

Right handed

Mom with 10 sibs
Dad with 11 sibs
me with 5 sibs ( one of them is a lefty)

I am left handed..I couldn't imagine my life if I wasn't because I do most things backward. But heh I think they say that any person who isnt normal is more likely to be left handed

Well, I have been asked if im lefty by some people when they see me writing. And then I wiggle my right hand with the pen I was writing in front of their face just to see.

They just say: ah and get a puzzled expression and then they say "you write left with the right!" I think thats the "hook grip"

My dominant hand switches from time to time. And then I found out myself grabbing things with the left. It can get complicated since I dont use it much for that. Someone told me I probably was forced to write right when I was a kid.


I think the name "hook grip" comes from the way my hand looks when writing. All crooked over the paper and with that position I tend to smug a little bit of the letters with the pinky.

I remember my early school years with the wonderful Christian Brothers, any lefties had their arm tied back so they could not use it.

I write with right. I play golf left, I play tennis/squash right. I cook, carve, paint with either. My left leg is stronger than my right. I kick a ball with my right. I'd miss with my left.
I'm just odd.

BTW right brain tends to control left side and left brain the right. Hence a stroke in the left tends to damage movement in the right body. But it's not absolute.  I'll have to check but someone will know, the right optical nerve goes to the left cortex and left to the right. I think MBW as usual

Cindy

I'm a righty but I write like Zelane describes. I have also received comments of writing like a lefty and I too smudge my work. I also start at the bottom of my letters instead of the top. I'm not sure if that means anything really.

I know in art school they make you draw with the hand you are uncomfortable with to loosen you up and get you to break bad habits.

The nerves from the right half of the brain twist over the left brain nerves and control everything on the opposite side. Yes, sight, sensation, motor control, everything.

And since nobody seems to know what a hook grip is (dunno, I somehow thought you would know what I was talking about.) I have a picture.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi68.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi34%2FSilverFloe%2FHookgrip.jpg&hash=3b3c217883ba970f98c4bee0c93e0928ec6d05ed)

I really do wonder why they get all of these correlations. They must be looking for them, which brings up the question of why they would be concerned with how many aunts and uncles a TS has.

SilverFang

I'm right handed, an only child, mums one of 6 and my dad is an only child.

Quote from: SilverFang on August 01, 2009, 03:25:12 AM
I really do wonder why they get all of these correlations. They must be looking for them, which brings up the question of why they would be concerned with how many aunts and uncles a TS has.

Some (many?) correlations are coincidences and are meaningless.  That's one of the problems with the social sciences - designing instruments and including broad enough samples to try to figure out what results are coincidental and which are meaningful.

- Kate

My dad was left handed, mom right. I do some things left handed, and some things right handed. But if forced to say left or right handed, i'd go with right handed.

Quote from: Deanna_Renee on July 31, 2009, 12:50:30 PM
Kind of off topic, but moderately interesting in a disturbing kind of way. I decided to dig out my Psychology textbook from college to see it had to say about GID, TG, TS, etc.

There was nothing about transgendered or transexual and one paragraph about GID. It basically described it as a childhood condition whereby the child believes they are the opposite gender and prefer to play with the toys of the other. And in some circumstances, when severe, patients will undergo gender reassignment surgery. It also mentioned that GID is attributed to not being properly reprimanded by mom when we did something that was not acceptable for our birth gender.

I guess my mom didn't discipline enough, I don't remember having any girls toys when growing up. Is that complete BS or what? I could kind of understand if the textbook was from the 50's or 60's, but, no, copyright 2006. One paragraph out of 500 pages, someone needs to get with the 21st century.

That is disturbing.  I've seen a textbook from the '80s that took a more progressive view; hell, if I look long enough, I can probably find one from the early '40s that views it more positively than that.

I am right handed. Same with my brother, mom, and dad.
My mom has two sibilings, my dad three, and I one.

Quote from: SilverFang on August 01, 2009, 03:25:12 AM
The nerves from the right half of the brain twist over the left brain nerves and control everything on the opposite side. Yes, sight, sensation, motor control, everything.

And since nobody seems to know what a hook grip is (dunno, I somehow thought you would know what I was talking about.) I have a picture.

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi68.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi34%2FSilverFloe%2FHookgrip.jpg&hash=3b3c217883ba970f98c4bee0c93e0928ec6d05ed)

I really do wonder why they get all of these correlations. They must be looking for them, which brings up the question of why they would be concerned with how many aunts and uncles a TS has.

SilverFang

oh ok. no, nothing like that. that looks kinda painful.

Ah, that's what I thought hook-grip was. I only get like that when I'm *Extreamly* intensely trying to get details into a drawing. Like scales...lace..or something. -Shrugs-

However I'm prodominatly a Righty, with minimal function (but it's intelligable!) of my left.

Only child here. Mother; one of three,m iddle of two sisters. Father; Middle of three, older sister, and younger brother.

QuoteI really do wonder why they get all of these correlations. They must be looking for them, which brings up the question of why they would be concerned with how many aunts and uncles a TS has.

But yeah no kidding. Really, sometimes half the time I wonder where they pull half of these theises' from. (Obviously where the sun don't shine) Seems some of the time to me it's just a time consumer for them, much like baking cookies, only a little more confusing (as to why they'd even try.) -Shrugs- Oh well.

I am right handed, but I can write OK with my left hand, since my mom is ambidextrous (she prefers her left). Although, my dad had/has more siblings than my mom.

I'm 100% LEFT. I am more into artistic and languages side than mathematical and logical side.

Looking at the results now, we have about half lefties. Certainly more than the general population (I think the numbers were around 10-25%.) Maybe we lefties are just crazy :P.

And then there's that about lefties being artists and having different thinking styles. But that's a whole 'nother topic.

SilverFang

The ambi's are higher than normal as well I would think.
Odd results.


According to a study, 86% of people are righties.

I voted ambidextrious. I do some things lefty, some things righty. But most things with either hand

Quote from: Virginia Marie on August 11, 2009, 03:24:59 AM
I voted ambidextrious. I do some things lefty, some things righty. But most things with either hand

I think that is how most of us are with it (I voted the same)

Born sinister, voted ambidextrous; although when right-handed I do have a hook-grip. I write more with my right hand, but only 'cause the school I started at as a kid (private, religious) used to whack me with a ruler whenever I picked up a pencil with my left hand. Do most everything with whichever hand is more convenient (have used mouse on computer both left and right-handed) but often default to right, because that's what tools are made for (scissors spring instantly to mind - agh). It is of note that my handwriting, no matter how hard I try, always sucks; with either hand.

Mother was one of four, father was older of two. All three of my half-siblings are right handed, all my parents, grandparents, etc I know are right handed. I wonder if the milkman was a leftie...  ::)

I went to a public school. But my first grade teacher would do the same. She would smack my hand with a yard stick for writing lefty. Then she would nearly crush the pencil in my right hand and say "You write with your right hand"

One day I anticipated her approaching from behind. When I heard the swish of the yard stick, I flipped my hands over and caught it. Then smacked her in the forehead with it. The hang hole made a red dot like what folks from India have

When I explained what was going on to the Principal and other students concurred, I was transferred to another class and the teacher was reprimanded.

Ironically, I ended up having to learn to do things right handed anyway because I broke my left collar bone.

Hey this is becoming really mysterious and eerie now that more than half of transsexuals are lefties/ambidextrous when in real life in a mix society with straights and all the rest, majority are right handed. Someone seriously needs to make a research between transsexuals and being left handed.

Any thread called 'lefties' is going to have mostly 'lefties' reply to it, ergo, the inflated sense of numbers.

Quote from: tekla on September 16, 2009, 04:22:44 PM
Any thread called 'lefties' is going to have mostly 'lefties' reply to it, ergo, the inflated sense of numbers.

That doesn't necessarily account for the twice normal number of ambis.

is it possible to change my answer?  i answered righty before i knew what hook grip was. :/

Nope. I can't change it now.

I do some stuff right handed (writing, holding phone), while other stuff left handed (keyboard/mouse, eating). I seem to prefer my left hand most of the time though. I guess that makes me ambidextrous. I also seem to be left foot/leg dominant, must be from working the clutch in my car.

My mother has 4 siblings and 4 "half" siblings. I'm the only child.