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Title: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: Susan on August 11, 2009, 12:12:16 AM
Post by: Susan on August 11, 2009, 12:12:16 AM
It is not our place to judge anyone's transition. Many successful post operative MTF transsexuals started out looking like a man in a dress and after completing their transition no one would ever guess. No member has a right to call another TG person a fake. No one has the right to basically brag that they drove another person to the point of suicide.
For judging another person's life without walking a mile in their shoes, for driving someone to the point of suicide, for exhibiting a total disregard for another human being, for ending her pronouncement with the dismissive, oh well! Annwyn's blog is suspended, and her posting privileges are removed. The period is indefinite when she learns to act like a human, feel empathy for another person, she may earn these privileges back.
For judging another person's life without walking a mile in their shoes, for driving someone to the point of suicide, for exhibiting a total disregard for another human being, for ending her pronouncement with the dismissive, oh well! Annwyn's blog is suspended, and her posting privileges are removed. The period is indefinite when she learns to act like a human, feel empathy for another person, she may earn these privileges back.
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: Calistine on August 11, 2009, 12:15:42 AM
Post by: Calistine on August 11, 2009, 12:15:42 AM
Good but..do you always post publicly when someone is suspended?
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: Janet_Girl on August 11, 2009, 12:28:25 AM
Post by: Janet_Girl on August 11, 2009, 12:28:25 AM
I applauded your decision, Susan. She has been getting under some people skin.
And yes Kyle, when something like this comes up it is in the forums' interest to have this announced.
Janet
And yes Kyle, when something like this comes up it is in the forums' interest to have this announced.
Janet
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: Susan on August 11, 2009, 12:42:07 AM
Post by: Susan on August 11, 2009, 12:42:07 AM
Quote from: Sir Kyle on August 11, 2009, 12:15:42 AM
Good but..do you always post publicly when someone is suspended?
When the situation warrants it. In this case there were several responses to her post.
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: V M on August 11, 2009, 12:46:30 AM
Post by: V M on August 11, 2009, 12:46:30 AM
Thank you Susan
Many have tried to reason with her. But that last bit from her was over the top and very upsetting
Many have tried to reason with her. But that last bit from her was over the top and very upsetting
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: deviousxen on August 11, 2009, 12:54:37 AM
Post by: deviousxen on August 11, 2009, 12:54:37 AM
What'd she say?
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: V M on August 11, 2009, 01:00:09 AM
Post by: V M on August 11, 2009, 01:00:09 AM
Quote from: Kara-Xen on August 11, 2009, 12:54:37 AMVery rude and harmful things to and about another TG
What'd she say?
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: Silver on August 11, 2009, 01:04:21 AM
Post by: Silver on August 11, 2009, 01:04:21 AM
Quote from: Susan on August 11, 2009, 12:12:16 AMAnnwyn's blog is suspended, and her posting privileges are removed. The period is indefinite when she learns to act like a human, feel empathy for another person, she may earn these privileges back.
So how will you know when she has changed?
SilverFang
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: Michelle. on August 11, 2009, 01:06:41 AM
Post by: Michelle. on August 11, 2009, 01:06:41 AM
^good question!!!
and a question of mine own, annwyn had a blog?
ann' honey... do us all, and yourself a favor.... GROW UP!!!
and a question of mine own, annwyn had a blog?
ann' honey... do us all, and yourself a favor.... GROW UP!!!
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: deviousxen on August 11, 2009, 01:09:23 AM
Post by: deviousxen on August 11, 2009, 01:09:23 AM
:(
I've said some bad stuff about another person myself and it makes me feel horrid...
Well... Its always the right thing to do to re-accept non violent people after time has elapsed... Cause then progressing in ones own life would be hypocritical...
Not saying anyone is, just the concept I mean xD
I've said some bad stuff about another person myself and it makes me feel horrid...
Quote from: SilverFang on August 11, 2009, 01:04:21 AM
So how will you know when she has changed?
SilverFang
Well... Its always the right thing to do to re-accept non violent people after time has elapsed... Cause then progressing in ones own life would be hypocritical...
Not saying anyone is, just the concept I mean xD
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: Susan on August 11, 2009, 01:48:37 AM
Post by: Susan on August 11, 2009, 01:48:37 AM
Quote from: SilverFang on August 11, 2009, 01:04:21 AM
So how will you know when she has changed?
SilverFang
She will email me and be given another chance. Until then she can't post.
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: heatherrose on August 11, 2009, 01:50:54 AM
Post by: heatherrose on August 11, 2009, 01:50:54 AM
Quote from: SilverFang on August 11, 2009, 01:04:21 AMSo how will you know when she has changed?
She still has the ability to communicate with Susan via email and it would be for Susan
to decide, considering that she does own the site. If Toni so chose she could start
her own site, on which she could espouse her views. All the more power to her.
I'm not trying to be an echo. You answered
before I could finish posting mine.
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: ilikepotatoes on August 11, 2009, 03:07:26 AM
Post by: ilikepotatoes on August 11, 2009, 03:07:26 AM
I don't understand banning a person for telling us about something she did in the real world. I also don't think she was bragging about calling her friend a fake or pushing that person towards suicide in that thread.
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: heatherrose on August 11, 2009, 04:52:12 AM
Post by: heatherrose on August 11, 2009, 04:52:12 AM
Quote from: ilikepotatoes on August 11, 2009, 03:07:26 AMI don't understand banning a person for telling us about something she did in the real world. I also don't think she was bragging about calling her friend a fake or pushing that person towards suicide in that thread.
I do not suppose to put words in Susan's mouth.
This is the position I would take if I were to be the owner of a site such as this.
Do you find that Annwyn's behavior and attitude was acceptable?
Do you know that the person she attacked, wasn't someone she meet from here?
This is a site where sisters and brothers, who might be taking their first shaky
steps out into the real world, come to find others who might understand the
obstacles that they are faced with on a daily basis. We have all done things
early on in our transitions, that we now know might not have been the best
way to do things. Things we may now find extremely embarrassing to recall.
I couldn't help but think, if this had been me, in the earliest stages of my transition,
who this beautiful young "SISTER" had torn into, it would have probably crippled me.
Such statements, as the ones made by Annwyn, cannot not be left to stand
on a site purporting to provide support, for fear that a young brother or sister
may stumble upon such discouraging statements and an individual who has such
an attitude cannot be allowed to interact unchecked, with those who are
taking their first shaky steps, on a privately owned, support site.
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: Sandy on August 11, 2009, 09:30:40 AM
Post by: Sandy on August 11, 2009, 09:30:40 AM
This isn't the first time that she has been slapped.
Her comments were over the top, even for her. To my mind we are not "Holier than thou" here, but basic human respect is the first and golden rule.
Thank you Susan.
-Sandy
Her comments were over the top, even for her. To my mind we are not "Holier than thou" here, but basic human respect is the first and golden rule.
Thank you Susan.
-Sandy
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: Mister on August 11, 2009, 10:10:58 AM
Post by: Mister on August 11, 2009, 10:10:58 AM
Didn't realize we now judged people by their off-board actions.
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: Sarah Louise on August 11, 2009, 10:32:00 AM
Post by: Sarah Louise on August 11, 2009, 10:32:00 AM
It was no longer an "off board action" once she decided to post about it here.
Sarah L.
Sarah L.
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: Susan on August 11, 2009, 10:36:48 AM
Post by: Susan on August 11, 2009, 10:36:48 AM
Quote from: Mister on August 11, 2009, 10:10:58 AM
Didn't realize we now judged people by their off-board actions.
We always have, it just hasn't happened recently. I have banned people from this site for their actions on other sites which reflected badly on this site, and our community. I have also banned several users due to safety concerns about their actions on or off of this web site. I have also banned several users who were scamming our members financially. In this case the criteria used was the safety of our members.
Many of the users here are in a critical state emotionally. They are vulnerable. In my opinion based solely on her own post, Annwyn abused a position of trust she gained over someone, to destroy that person psychologically. That is unacceptable. She didn't do it out of love for that person, she did it because she just didn't care.
I can't take the risk that the person she did that to was a member of this site. Even if the person wasn't, I can't take the risk she chooses to do the same in the future to someone else who is.
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: Janet_Girl on August 11, 2009, 12:23:25 PM
Post by: Janet_Girl on August 11, 2009, 12:23:25 PM
And since when does Susan have to explain herself to anyone, but I appreciate her doing so for some who are here now and for future members.
We are all trust holders to anyone who turns to us for advise, guidance, or as a sounding board. To violate that trust is unconscionable. We are bound by an unspoken sacred oath to do no harm, simply by a member of the great community of being human.
Janet
We are all trust holders to anyone who turns to us for advise, guidance, or as a sounding board. To violate that trust is unconscionable. We are bound by an unspoken sacred oath to do no harm, simply by a member of the great community of being human.
Janet
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: deviousxen on August 11, 2009, 01:59:31 PM
Post by: deviousxen on August 11, 2009, 01:59:31 PM
Quote from: Janet Lynn on August 11, 2009, 12:23:25 PMI'm not defending anyone xD
And since when does Susan have to explain herself to anyone, but I appreciate her doing so for some who are here now and for future members.
We are all trust holders to anyone who turns to us for advise, guidance, or as a sounding board. To violate that trust is unconscionable. We are bound by an unspoken sacred oath to do no harm, simply by a member of the great community of being human.
Janet
Buuuuttttt....
To violate it is horrible, yes... But human. We're still animals, as much as you want to disregard that embarrassing side of us. Complex, but still part animal. Unconscionable moments still happen from time to time. Not an excuse... I just think its cool for susan to let Annwyn email her. If it were a really horrible thing said, I could understand outrage though. :P
Sorry, I tend to throw my abstract 2 cents in.... Im a weirdo.
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: V M on August 11, 2009, 11:48:50 PM
Post by: V M on August 11, 2009, 11:48:50 PM
I do not wish to disregard Annwyn. Actually I hope she can get over herself and be a friend. But hey, I was basically on my own at an early age and someone had to support my mom and sisters. I could be bitter and self absorbed. But, I choose not to do so. I prefer to help others. This in turn helps me. I wish her all the best. Kinda reminds me of someone else at her age
Title: Re: Annwyn's blog suspended. Posting privileges removed.
Post by: deviousxen on August 12, 2009, 12:18:10 AM
Post by: deviousxen on August 12, 2009, 12:18:10 AM
Quote from: Virginia Marie on August 11, 2009, 11:48:50 PM
I do not wish to disregard Annwyn. Actually I hope she can get over herself and be a friend. But hey, I was basically on my own at an early age and someone had to support my mom and sisters. I could be bitter and self absorbed. But, I choose not to do so. I prefer to help others. This in turn helps me. I wish her all the best. Kinda reminds me of someone else at her age
You're very lucky you have such a drive and willpower behind you. Many people these days have lost that or never had it to begin with.