Community Conversation => Non-binary talk => Topic started by: ericc on August 12, 2009, 11:00:15 AM Return to Full Version
Title: I want to see if I got this right
Post by: ericc on August 12, 2009, 11:00:15 AM
Post by: ericc on August 12, 2009, 11:00:15 AM
Sex - Biological
Gender - Identification
Traits - Masculine / Feminine
right?
Okay so for example, I identify as Non-Binary "Trigender" because I feel that I'm neither Man or Women or both because I have multiple genders. Cisgender means one gender and that is considered to be "Binary" right?
Though the one thing that I'm confused about is my attraction orientation. I'm attracted to Masculinity but I'm only attracted to the Biological Women. So in technical terms I could be attracted to Masculine Female or Non-Op Transmen. Which is confusing to me. What makes one a Man vs. Masculinity? I can understand identities like Non-Binary meaning not conforming to Man or Women, feeling who have more than one gender and how Binaries have only one gender. I'm confused on this part. What makes one a Man or What makes one a Women vs. What makes one Masculine or Feminine?
Gender - Identification
Traits - Masculine / Feminine
right?
Okay so for example, I identify as Non-Binary "Trigender" because I feel that I'm neither Man or Women or both because I have multiple genders. Cisgender means one gender and that is considered to be "Binary" right?
Though the one thing that I'm confused about is my attraction orientation. I'm attracted to Masculinity but I'm only attracted to the Biological Women. So in technical terms I could be attracted to Masculine Female or Non-Op Transmen. Which is confusing to me. What makes one a Man vs. Masculinity? I can understand identities like Non-Binary meaning not conforming to Man or Women, feeling who have more than one gender and how Binaries have only one gender. I'm confused on this part. What makes one a Man or What makes one a Women vs. What makes one Masculine or Feminine?
Title: Re: I want to see if I got this right
Post by: Nicky on August 12, 2009, 05:30:44 PM
Post by: Nicky on August 12, 2009, 05:30:44 PM
The only addition I would make is I believe grounds for "gender identity" could be hard coded in us before we are born. So that would make it biological too. It just does not always match the sex of the person.
Cisgender is usually applied to people that identify as male or female and were born with matching sex i.e. a male with a male gender identity or a female with a female gender identity.
I think traits are usually social things. What society says is a masculine thing is what a masculine thing is. These are not universal. They are irrelevant when it comes to gender identity and sex. They are just ways of expression and behaviour.
I think having a non-binary gender identity does not exclude you from conforming to male or female stereotypes. You can identify as non-binary and still behave and look just like a man or woman. I for one only have one gender, it is my own and it is a non-binary one in that I don't identify as a male or female. For me it is not about not conforming, I simply don't understand what it would feel like to be male or female. But really I can't understand why anyone would want to 'act' like male. Though I tend towards feminity myself, I have no idea why. All I can do is act like myself.
What makes you a man is self identification, nothing else. Whether society views you as a man is a different story.
How this all relates to attraction is a bit more complex. I think it is best not to over alalyse attraction and just allow yourself to be attracted to who you are attracted to.
Hope this is helpful.
Nicky
Cisgender is usually applied to people that identify as male or female and were born with matching sex i.e. a male with a male gender identity or a female with a female gender identity.
I think traits are usually social things. What society says is a masculine thing is what a masculine thing is. These are not universal. They are irrelevant when it comes to gender identity and sex. They are just ways of expression and behaviour.
I think having a non-binary gender identity does not exclude you from conforming to male or female stereotypes. You can identify as non-binary and still behave and look just like a man or woman. I for one only have one gender, it is my own and it is a non-binary one in that I don't identify as a male or female. For me it is not about not conforming, I simply don't understand what it would feel like to be male or female. But really I can't understand why anyone would want to 'act' like male. Though I tend towards feminity myself, I have no idea why. All I can do is act like myself.
What makes you a man is self identification, nothing else. Whether society views you as a man is a different story.
How this all relates to attraction is a bit more complex. I think it is best not to over alalyse attraction and just allow yourself to be attracted to who you are attracted to.
Hope this is helpful.
Nicky
Title: Re: I want to see if I got this right
Post by: Kinkly on August 15, 2009, 08:41:30 AM
Post by: Kinkly on August 15, 2009, 08:41:30 AM
I'm with Nicky I don't try to conform most of the time I'm just me but sometimes I don't feel safe and try to stop myself doing fem things It's a daily struggle with clothes for me sometimes They need to be acceptable and other times I just do/wear what feels right there is almost always some compromise
but I don't like labels particulay when it comes to attraction & sexuality I'm attracted to who I'm attracted to and I think of things I'd like to do with them but no labels fit to define me as such.
but I don't like labels particulay when it comes to attraction & sexuality I'm attracted to who I'm attracted to and I think of things I'd like to do with them but no labels fit to define me as such.
Title: Re: I want to see if I got this right
Post by: justmeinoz on November 18, 2009, 07:01:23 AM
Post by: justmeinoz on November 18, 2009, 07:01:23 AM
I agree with te point you made about society's expectations varying. Apparently the Japanese Samurai were one of the main participants in Tea Ceremonies, and this was accepted as being a perfectly masculine activitity in that society.