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How many of you consider yourself to be androgynous in nature, but idenitfy with a certain gender? How many of you want to transition even though your androgyne?

Depends on what you mean. I'm male but I have masculine and feminine traits. Maybe this is due to being raised female, maybe it isn't. I have an androgynous personality. But I am a guy and almost done with transition.

Well Im just confused. I just feel like being a girl today. That happens from time to time right?

Not with me, but it's easy to get confused sometimes.

Hahaha its probably because I put on girls underwear because there was nothing else. I feel disgusting when I do that

Well, my target physically would be to be pretty much female. But mentally I don't identify as male or female.  So yeah, I consider myself non-binary in nature and consider my spectrum of behaviours to disregard any gender boundaries but I am undergoing a transition of sorts. But I am not transitioning to be a woman, though more than likely I'll end up publicly looking like one (which I do much of the time).

Quote from: Nicky on August 13, 2009, 09:55:15 PM
Well, my target physically would be to be pretty much female. But mentally I don't identify as male or female.  So yeah, I consider myself non-binary in nature and consider my spectrum of behaviours to disregard any gender boundaries but I am undergoing a transition of sorts. But I am not transitioning to be a woman, though more than likely I'll end up publicly looking like one (which I do much of the time).

I actually thought you were physically a woman until you said something

Thanks! It is not quite so clear cut in the flesh :).

I have not started hormone therapy yet. Me and the misses are thinking of having more kids so I kind of still need all my cylinders firing  ;)

Hm.  Tough question.  I will say that gender fluidity is not uncommon.  Particularly in a female body, I think that wherever you are in the ol' menstrual cycle can affect how you feel...at least I think it sometimes does for me.  :-\  I am androgyne and most of the time I feel neutral to masculine, but every now and then, I'll slip a bit into a more feminine mood.  It could be a number of factors though.

Yea sometimes when I think my estrogen's high I feel more feminine, like sometimes I'll speak or laugh at something and my voice comes out way higher pitched than normal, which makes me feel like a total chick at that point.
But most of the time I feel like a dude or at most androgynous but those little moments like that it makes me go  ???

I am transitioning toward female but I'm keeping the beard I am on hormones

I find it depends what I am up to and where I am, who I'm with. I have one friend and we are very girly together, another and I am moderately maley.
Also the time of day and weather etc seem to effect things, I feel more feminine in the morning or evening and I have most femaley feeling when in the winter as opposed to the summer.  Don't know why.

Hi...
A ?   I know it may not be posible   how many of us are male andro . & female andro .  For me a mix of 60 % m 60 % f . well thats about what i see . now if i did not say what i was .  how would you tell . even after surgery .
oh. the face even that can be changed voice that too s r s & then b a . skin.   size of feet . hair or for me lack of . to me age is our detail . 62 . you younger ones have it over us .
Will i have more op.s no just what i had s r s & b a . yet even after that i am at home in the middle  really i hold both m & f . i had wondered if i would let go a bit of the m side . a few bits of the body ..  not the mind . have i gained on the f side . only what was there before . that is allowed to be out in full view.    no guys not those . oh ,,,,,,,ill put my coat on .......men ......he he ,,,.,any way just thinking ..
  ...noeleena...

Quote from: Sir Ari on August 13, 2009, 07:55:49 PM
How many of you consider yourself to be androgynous in nature, but idenitfy with a certain gender? How many of you want to transition even though your androgyne?

I'm definitely a male bodied androgyne. As far as what gender I identify with? It depends. Sometimes I enjoy male mode, other times it's fun to dress up (you can see my legs over on the left).  Genderfluid is the term I believe. But i do admire the feminine side of things, and if I had more fem facial features i'd definitely play with it more. I just see a dude when I look in the mirror.

The way I want to look ideally makes me really think I "truly" (whatever the hell "truly" means in this context) I am an Androgyne.

(Once you begin to think in terms of being an androgyne I think things begin to lose all sense of meaning in context of male/female, IMO. Androgyny if summed up in a sentence (although not really directly pertaining to gender orientation) to me would be "What if the subjectivity of the subjectiveness of the universe is subjective to my own subjectivity?" It's one of those things that you really can't define.)

Anyways, the look I am going for is that of an androgynous female, meaning a women that is trying to look "androgyne" by being more masculine (This totally makes sense to me...). Honestly, I dress in gender-neutral styles (a t-shirt and pants, that pragmatically match my combat hat and peace necklace) with more of a feminine-esque (there I go making up words again) look, meaning more "feminine" looking t-shirts. Kind of like a "butchy" sort of lesbian. I think I am more "androgyne" than "MTF butchy lesbian" because I do have a lot of more "manly" traits that women don't typically learn (not because they can't, but because I have been socialized as a male). So if you were to just look at me, you really wouldn't think "Androgyne", just like some kind of lazy stoner who wears girl t-shirts, but my inner "essence" is very "Androgyne-like". I hope that makes sense? Pretty much I think I am a trans-gendered woman who is a lesbian that doesn't really focus to much on physical gender identification, and dresses in feminine gender-neutral clothing. Or maybe I'm just an incredibly confused, mushroom-induced, crazy straight guy ????

That post is on topic, yeah? Sorry for the lack of general coherency in my posts...

Hi..

     Its not quite so easy . is it  To define who we are . For me i see my body . as defining in some area s who i am . yet does that show who we are . what is not seen is inside . that is not allways perceved  by some . i.v been going over this as i have been involoved with a group of people . who dont accept . others who are different . like us . they   see only what they wont to see . yet will not sit down & ask . ..tell me about your self . so i can understand you .   its not happening . so i am tolerated .
You know inside . the door is sort of open . yet .. not fully . yet in other groups.   oh wow the door is just not there so totally  different .
The other detail is you are saying if you looked more femm you would take it further.    no dought.    do you see that only just your face / body .   
or your persanaliy . what would change for you . not so much the meds .

or like for me really what you see is what you get or are we changing all the time & we dont allways see it . does your body really detate who you are .  becaues we have so much going on we some time.s miss it . you know i.m bouncing off you s .
Getting down to the nity gritty  can be quite hard . not only for our selfs
Yet in all of this we can be accepted . I wonder some times what drives us
...noeleena...

I identify as female but I am aware that I present an androgynous gender presentation.  It is fine with me.  That is as much of who I am as my blue eyes.
It is also fun.

I Identify as being GQ but I do see myself more on the males side of the spectrum...I don't mnd when people mistake me for a guy but I don't like so much when they mistake me for a girl even though biologically I am a girl.  I dunno if any of you guys feel this way...

Quote from: Smashley on August 28, 2009, 10:30:06 AM
I Identify as being GQ but I do see myself more on the males side of the spectrum...I don't mnd when people mistake me for a guy but I don't like so much when they mistake me for a girl even though biologically I am a girl.  I dunno if any of you guys feel this way...

Well I do but thats prob  because im a transman :P I don't think Id wanna be seen as a girl with short hair and guys clothes.

Quote from: Smashley on August 28, 2009, 10:30:06 AM
I Identify as being GQ but I do see myself more on the males side of the spectrum...I don't mnd when people mistake me for a guy but I don't like so much when they mistake me for a girl even though biologically I am a girl.  I dunno if any of you guys feel this way...

I feel the same from the other side i'm bio male dislike being labeled male any time I'm labeled female it is based a pople seeing more then just my body but i prefer non gendered pronouns and the like

I'd like for people to be uncertain when they see me.

Quote from: Jaimey on August 28, 2009, 11:50:53 PM
I'd like for people to be uncertain when they see me.

me to I'm thinking a female body with a beard would cause enough people to be unsure and stop using male pronouns

See I think if I grew me a beard people would probably stop using female pronouns with me :) 

Quote from: Smashley on August 29, 2009, 08:20:07 AM
See I think if I grew me a beard people would probably stop using female pronouns with me :)

Not necessarily true. I have facial hair also but Im pre t so I still look female.

I was born with a male body and over the years have drifted toward the feminine but after carefull consideration. I don't know (still).

You see, I'm female-bodied but think I drift more towards the masculine side of myself than I would if I were male-bodied, because my masculinity is so often undermined by my biology (if that makes sense...  ???). So I don't get as fussed if people refer to me as male (unfortunately a rare occurence anyway :() as I would if people refer to me as female. But I reckon if I were biologically male I would have similar (but focused on different body parts) GID issues. My gender does vary, and most of the time when I'm just left to it I'm relatively in-between.
I'd like to spend some time messing with it to see how I feel in either role. :P But that would involve buying stuff (like makeup) that I'd probably never use again, and my natural cheapskateness kicks in and stops me.

While I consider myself a guy, though technically ftm, I'm largely androgynous psychologically. However, I never felt comfortable being seen as a girl, hence the transition. Now I have the opposite problem: due to the fact that, in some folks' opinion, T was VERY good to me, I'm seen as uber-masculine, whereas I'm really not. So it can go both ways... but there's no rule that says you have to remain your birth gender on the outside just because your inside tends toward androgyny.

SD

I suspect there are actually a lot of people like yourself Sebastien, transitioning as a transexual but at the same time not desiring the stereotypical extreme.

Similalry I think a lot of bio-men, if you don't mind me using that term, are also put into the uber-masculine box whether they like it or not. Some probably can't even allow themselves to see there are other possibilities (probably why dressing in drag for a party is so popular, or you get those football teams that dress up as cheerleaders for the womens matches in America - one of the few 'acceptable' outlets available).

in a weird way I know my "gender/sex" is male, but I don't at all identify as male really. My innards are almost entirely female....oh wait.

My PSYCHE is entirely female, of this I am sure. I fear estrogen, because I think chaos would ensue. Imagine being so emotional, and then adding the estrogen to it, which makes even tough guys emotional. Nothing wrong with crying, but I like my crying ability, because when I cry, people know things are up.

It is interesting how men don't have the same freedom as women to express emotion. I don't think it is all to do with hormones either. I think a lot of it is to do with socialisation. I've heard other ftm's say they really welcomed the emotional stability of testosterone. On the flip side a lot of mtf's say they love the freedom to express emotion and the range of feelings estrogen allows them.

Quote from: Nicky on September 10, 2009, 02:53:29 PM
I suspect there are actually a lot of people like yourself Sebastien, transitioning as a transexual but at the same time not desiring the stereotypical extreme.

That would be my partner, who is MTF but really considers herself to be more genderqueer than anything. And indeed, she has some feminine traits and some very masculine traits, but considers herself genderqueer. She doesn't like to be identified as male at all, prefers feminine pronouns but doesn't care to be cast in stone as female either. And she doesn't care who she confuses or what people think, but fortunately she has a personality that is so attractive that it's almost impossible not to like her and no one seems to care. I had a hard time dealing with the "in-between" thing for a long time and in fact still do sometimes, so I am always interested in gaining some insight from other androgynous genderqueer people.

I identify with androgyny, sort of.  I want to be seen as an androgynous girl though, not an androgynous male.  I'd say 70% female, 30% male, if I had to take a stab at quantifying it.

I always like people not knowing, but I'm comfortable with being read as male, but not as female.

i totally agree with you CyanideSeann...thats exactly how i feel

I am female-bodied, generally dressed in jeans and a t-shirt or sweatshirt. I have no sense of style.

One side of my chest is flat, the other boobed. I cut my hair off for chemo and discovered I like it that way. I have no hips and have arms like a gorilla, so I buy clothes from the men's department because they fit better. And I like men's boots better than women's.

The world knows me as a woman. My wife knows me as me. I don't care if I'm called Sir or Ma'am.

Quote from: Nero on August 13, 2009, 08:02:36 PM
Depends on what you mean. I'm male but I have masculine and feminine traits. Maybe this is due to being raised female, maybe it isn't. I have an androgynous personality. But I am a guy and almost done with transition.

I can relate to you, although I am a guy too but choose not to change 'down' there, unless I can find a doctor who will removed everything.  And I never hope to see those parts again.

I'm comfortable with my male body and I don't wish to change it. I just want to be able to act like a human being and not have to conform to societal ideas of how a man should act.

I don't wear feminine clothes, but I prefer gender-neutral clothes such as t-shirts and trainers (UK term for sneakers).

I'm not particularly tall or muscular, and I have a small frame, and I'm comfortable with that - I wouldn't want to be 6 foot 5 and 300lbs of pure muscle.

Quote from: childofwinter on October 13, 2009, 06:20:21 PM
I'm comfortable with my male body and I don't wish to change it. I just want to be able to act like a human being and not have to conform to societal ideas of how a man should act.

I don't wear feminine clothes, but I prefer gender-neutral clothes such as t-shirts and trainers (UK term for sneakers).

I'm not particularly tall or muscular, and I have a small frame, and I'm comfortable with that - I wouldn't want to be 6 foot 5 and 300lbs of pure muscle.

This may sound silly but I think you're cool :-)

Quote from: red on October 13, 2009, 06:55:56 PM

This may sound silly but I think you're cool :-)

Thanks :)

Quote from: childofwinter on October 13, 2009, 07:08:46 PM
Thanks :)

You are very welcome.  May I add you to my friends list?

Quote from: red on October 13, 2009, 08:01:01 PM
You are very welcome.  May I add you to my friends list?

Sure.

Quote from: Nicky on September 17, 2009, 04:00:53 PM
It is interesting how men don't have the same freedom as women to express emotion. I don't think it is all to do with hormones either. I think a lot of it is to do with socialisation. I've heard other ftm's say they really welcomed the emotional stability of testosterone. On the flip side a lot of mtf's say they love the freedom to express emotion and the range of feelings estrogen allows them.

"not having the same freedom as women do to express emotion."  I believe men bottle it up inside and to cry shows "weakness".  That makes me feel bad.  I find it very sad.  I've spoke to many people online and offline *IRL* about that if they ever need to get it out, to call me up and I'll listen to them.   :D

i don't fully identify with either gender