Community Conversation => Transitioning => Hormone replacement therapy => Topic started by: POSH on September 22, 2006, 01:16:13 PM Return to Full Version
Title: Oral HRT
Post by: POSH on September 22, 2006, 01:16:13 PM
Post by: POSH on September 22, 2006, 01:16:13 PM
Hello everyone,
I have a question regarding the strength and effectiveness of certain pills. For example, "Progynova & Estrofem". Which of the two, is most potent and effective? I am not referring to other methods of administration, Just oral as I have a slightly difficult time figuring the diffs between the 2. I don't mean to confuse anybody. And if I do I sincerely apologize. Just trying to figure the whole estrodiol thing out.
Thank you,
Israela 8)
I have a question regarding the strength and effectiveness of certain pills. For example, "Progynova & Estrofem". Which of the two, is most potent and effective? I am not referring to other methods of administration, Just oral as I have a slightly difficult time figuring the diffs between the 2. I don't mean to confuse anybody. And if I do I sincerely apologize. Just trying to figure the whole estrodiol thing out.
Thank you,
Israela 8)
Title: Re: Oral HRT
Post by: Sarah Louise on September 22, 2006, 01:22:58 PM
Post by: Sarah Louise on September 22, 2006, 01:22:58 PM
These are questions best answered by your doctor. Self medicating is frowned on at Susan's.
I do not know if you are asking because you want to get the hormones off the web, or just for general information.
But asking questions is the only way we learn isn't it.
Sarah L.
I do not know if you are asking because you want to get the hormones off the web, or just for general information.
But asking questions is the only way we learn isn't it.
Sarah L.
Title: Re: Oral HRT
Post by: Buffy on September 22, 2006, 01:24:39 PM
Post by: Buffy on September 22, 2006, 01:24:39 PM
Quote from: POSH on September 22, 2006, 01:16:13 PM
Hello everyone,
I have a question regarding the strength and effectiveness of certain pills. For example, "Progynova & Estrofem". Which of the two, is most potent and effective? I am not referring to other methods of administration, Just oral as I have a slightly difficult time figuring the diffs between the 2. I don't mean to confuse anybody. And if I do I sincerely apologize. Just trying to figure the whole estrodiol thing out.
Thank you,
Israela 8)
Hi Israela,
If you go into the wiki, there is an HRT section, which has a sub section on the various Estrogens that are available and the differences
There is also a link to each manufactures website with the effiecy and chemical data.
Basically the chemical altered versions of Estradiol are more potent than naturally occuring compounds.
Hope that helps
Buffy
Title: Re: Oral HRT
Post by: tinkerbell on September 24, 2006, 10:45:17 PM
Post by: tinkerbell on September 24, 2006, 10:45:17 PM
Hi Israela;
Yes, we, indeed, have the following information in our wiki:
Estrogen (https://www.susans.org/wiki/Estrogen)
Hormone Replacement Therapy (https://www.susans.org/wiki/HRT)
Hope this helps to answer your questions.
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
Yes, we, indeed, have the following information in our wiki:
Estrogen (https://www.susans.org/wiki/Estrogen)
Hormone Replacement Therapy (https://www.susans.org/wiki/HRT)
Hope this helps to answer your questions.
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
Title: Re: Oral HRT
Post by: brina on November 16, 2006, 08:26:44 AM
Post by: brina on November 16, 2006, 08:26:44 AM
Hiee,
From my reading Progynova is the generic version of Estrofem. It is still 17 B estradiol. Another point of interest is that the molecular structure between Estrofem and Estrace is slightly different with Estrace having a slightly large moluclue. Estrofem is widely available in Europe while Estrace is widely available in North America. I started out on Progynova and had fine results. I was DIY at first out of desperation to get things moving. It is NOT something you do WITHOUT having a full medical physical and FULL BLOOD panels done before hand, as well as follow up blood work quarterly or at the very least semi-annually.
Byee,
Brina
From my reading Progynova is the generic version of Estrofem. It is still 17 B estradiol. Another point of interest is that the molecular structure between Estrofem and Estrace is slightly different with Estrace having a slightly large moluclue. Estrofem is widely available in Europe while Estrace is widely available in North America. I started out on Progynova and had fine results. I was DIY at first out of desperation to get things moving. It is NOT something you do WITHOUT having a full medical physical and FULL BLOOD panels done before hand, as well as follow up blood work quarterly or at the very least semi-annually.
Byee,
Brina
Title: Re: Oral HRT
Post by: Refugee on November 16, 2006, 08:40:59 AM
Post by: Refugee on November 16, 2006, 08:40:59 AM
They're the same, the only difference appears to be price.
As for DIY vs. non-DIY, to each his own.
I've known of cases where ppl did it DIY, but told their GP what they were doing and why they needed the lab work done. In most cases, the GP should support the lab work, in pretty much the same vein as encouraging you to quit smoking, etc, whether they agree to write you scripts or not.
As for the labs being drawn, speaking as a Paramedic, chosing my words carefully, they're only really of concern if you're older or otherwise high risk. As for the testosterone level test, I agree with the school of thought that says its only purpose is for bragging rights, we're all the same, no one is more girl just becuase their T levels are lower.
DIY in general? I'm ok with it as long as you understand the risks and are aware of the implications of what you're doing. Being a self described "survior" of some bad therapists and old school docs, I'd hate to see costs and/or gatekeepers be a barrier for anyone, but like anything else, it has its own risks.
As for DIY vs. non-DIY, to each his own.
I've known of cases where ppl did it DIY, but told their GP what they were doing and why they needed the lab work done. In most cases, the GP should support the lab work, in pretty much the same vein as encouraging you to quit smoking, etc, whether they agree to write you scripts or not.
As for the labs being drawn, speaking as a Paramedic, chosing my words carefully, they're only really of concern if you're older or otherwise high risk. As for the testosterone level test, I agree with the school of thought that says its only purpose is for bragging rights, we're all the same, no one is more girl just becuase their T levels are lower.
DIY in general? I'm ok with it as long as you understand the risks and are aware of the implications of what you're doing. Being a self described "survior" of some bad therapists and old school docs, I'd hate to see costs and/or gatekeepers be a barrier for anyone, but like anything else, it has its own risks.
Title: Re: Oral HRT
Post by: Steph on November 16, 2006, 12:08:07 PM
Post by: Steph on November 16, 2006, 12:08:07 PM
Quote from: Refugee on November 16, 2006, 08:40:59 AM
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As for the testosterone level test, I agree with the school of thought that says its only purpose is for bragging rights, we're all the same, no one is more girl just becuase their T levels are lower.
I would like to see a link to this school of thought, and you actually believe this school of thought? I have to say in my time here at Susan's I have yet to see any of it's members start bragging about how one is more of a girl than another because of "T" levels or anything else, I think that we are a little more mature than that, and if they did their butt would not be tolerated around this neck of the woods. Bragging rights is a typical guy mentality and their fixation over dick size (Sorry guys I'm generalizing)
Steph
Title: Re: Oral HRT
Post by: Refugee on November 16, 2006, 01:48:01 PM
Post by: Refugee on November 16, 2006, 01:48:01 PM
Quote from: Steph on November 16, 2006, 12:08:07 PMQuote from: Refugee on November 16, 2006, 08:40:59 AM
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As for the testosterone level test, I agree with the school of thought that says its only purpose is for bragging rights, we're all the same, no one is more girl just becuase their T levels are lower.
I would like to see a link to this school of thought, and you actually believe this school of thought? I have to say in my time here at Susan's I have yet to see any of it's members start bragging about how one is more of a girl than another because of "T" levels or anything else, I think that we are a little more mature than that, and if they did their butt would not be tolerated around this neck of the woods. Bragging rights is a typical guy mentality and their fixation over dick size (Sorry guys I'm generalizing)
Steph
I never suggested anyone here was bragging about their T levels. As for where I've seen it on the internet, its around. Mostly recently I think it was on transkids.us - I disagree with at least 90% of their website, but they do make some good points otherwise.
Title: Re: Oral HRT
Post by: brina on November 16, 2006, 02:32:22 PM
Post by: brina on November 16, 2006, 02:32:22 PM
Hiee,
Just a comment about the Testosterone levels. They should be monitored and for good reason. Any T in the body will have to be overcome by the Estrogen being taken in order for feminization to take place with any consequence. So someone with high Testosterone will have to take a higher dosage of Estrogen to try and overcome it. That in itself is dangerous. My doctor originally tried to get me to have an orchiectomy to begin with. I had to be absolutely sure that the path I was taking was the correct one and if not somewhat reverseable. As it turns out the path is the correct one for me :) and I now regret having not had the orchie at the onset. NOTE: to you girls on anti-androgens, while your Testosterone level may be down within female range, the T produced by the testes is much stronger then that produced by the adrenal gland. ( I think its the adrenal gland?).
Oh Refugee in the future you may consider changing the venacular of sayings such as:
'To Each HIS Own' to a more Gender appropriate form, as it is offensive to many.
Byee,
Brina
Just a comment about the Testosterone levels. They should be monitored and for good reason. Any T in the body will have to be overcome by the Estrogen being taken in order for feminization to take place with any consequence. So someone with high Testosterone will have to take a higher dosage of Estrogen to try and overcome it. That in itself is dangerous. My doctor originally tried to get me to have an orchiectomy to begin with. I had to be absolutely sure that the path I was taking was the correct one and if not somewhat reverseable. As it turns out the path is the correct one for me :) and I now regret having not had the orchie at the onset. NOTE: to you girls on anti-androgens, while your Testosterone level may be down within female range, the T produced by the testes is much stronger then that produced by the adrenal gland. ( I think its the adrenal gland?).
Oh Refugee in the future you may consider changing the venacular of sayings such as:
'To Each HIS Own' to a more Gender appropriate form, as it is offensive to many.
Byee,
Brina