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Title: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: Nicky on October 01, 2009, 05:59:58 PM
I have a feeling that the bisexual experience is kind of similar to the androgyne experience. We are both accused of being fence sitters, often not accepted by either side of the fence, often feeling like we don't belong with the binaries, considered to be afraid of the stigma of being labled as gay/transexual, our preferences are not always constant.

Just thought it was an interesting analogy.
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: Nero on October 01, 2009, 09:35:04 PM
Agreed. We also can be kind of invisible.
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: Nicky on October 01, 2009, 09:49:31 PM
I was thinking about how I would feel if my wife was bisexual, and for some reason that would make me feel insecure. Rationally it makes no difference to me, but I must have internalised a lot of social messages about it. At the same time I started thinking that actually my wife is heterosexual and I am not a man and suddenly I was like  :o

I think it is better for me not to think about it    :P
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: FairyGirl on October 01, 2009, 10:35:22 PM
Gay and lesbian lovers tend to avoid us for relationships specifically because of that "we could go either way" factor. Some don't even consider us "true" transsexuals because we aren't strictly enamoured of the "opposite" sex, whatever that's supposed to mean. I can truthfully say I've been bi my entire life, and never really had a preference of one over the other. I just figured it meant I got twice as many dates as those other people. ;)

Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: KYLYKaHYT on October 02, 2009, 05:51:59 AM
Quote from: Nero on October 01, 2009, 09:35:04 PM
Agreed. We also can be kind of invisible.

I was thinking more along the lines of us being versatile. And flexible.

And awesome.  :D
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: gilded on October 03, 2009, 09:22:21 PM
I seem to respond to who they are and not to their gender.

KYLYKaHYT
QuoteI was thinking more along the lines of us being versatile. And flexible.
Some times we're like 2 gay lovers, some time we're like girls talking and connecting emotionally thru conversation or like 2 rough housing hetero boys.

Like a long conversation, it continually flows on, always moving on so that neither remembers what we were talking about 10 minutes ago.
Were we a boy and girl then? Wait which one was responding with a feminine brain? Must have been me and my Estrace soaked  brain.....

And once in a while, for a few minutes, it's totally
Quoteawesome

- gg
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: Lisa Howard on October 07, 2009, 11:43:19 AM
Agreed.. all of the above (regarding being bisexual). So often people seem to have trouble distinguishing gender identity fron sexuallity. Recently someone said to me " but aren't most ->-bleeped-<-s straight ?? .... I'm still at a loss to see what exactly he meant by this statement


Love and Light

Lisa
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: Constance on October 07, 2009, 11:50:34 AM
Agreed on all counts. The first 2 posts really hit the nail on the head, IMO.
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: LightlyLuke on October 07, 2009, 01:10:38 PM
The Big Questions:

"Are you a boy or a girl?"

and

"Do you prefer boys or girls?"

Our answers multiply exponentially.

-- Luke
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: Constance on October 07, 2009, 01:57:16 PM
Quote from: LightlyLuke on October 07, 2009, 01:10:38 PM
The Big Questions:

"Are you a boy or a girl?"

and

"Do you prefer boys or girls?"

Our answers multiply exponentially.

-- Luke

Heh. Answers that spring to mind are "Yes" and/or "Does it matter?"
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: KYLYKaHYT on October 07, 2009, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: LightlyLuke on October 07, 2009, 01:10:38 PM
The Big Questions:

"Are you a boy or a girl?"
Yes.

Quote
"Do you prefer boys or girls?"
Yes.

That was easy enough.  :P  :D
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: Nicky on October 07, 2009, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: LightlyLuke on October 07, 2009, 01:10:38 PM
The Big Questions:

"Are you a boy or a girl?"
No
Quote
"Do you prefer boys or girls?"
I have a son and a daughter, I like them both :P

But if you mean sexually, no I am not a pedofile.
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: LightlyLuke on October 07, 2009, 03:36:28 PM
 :D

I like those answers!

-- Luke
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: KYLYKaHYT on October 07, 2009, 04:25:33 PM
Quote from: Nicky on October 07, 2009, 03:29:09 PM
No I have a son and a daughter, I like them both :P

But if you mean sexually, no I am not a pedofile.

Hmmm, I suppose at this point I should clarify that in a context such as this forum I tend to both interpret and use the words "boy" and "girl" interchangeably with "male" and "female" respectively, and that my previous post was in no way intended to insinuate anything pedophilic.

I sometimes forget that these words carry very age-specific meanings to some individuals.
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: Nicky on October 07, 2009, 04:58:14 PM
No I got that, I was just purposfully being difficult  ;). I guess nothing is particulalry as clear cut when it comes to sexuality and gender - I like to play on that.

Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: Shana A on October 07, 2009, 09:15:01 PM
Quote from: LightlyLuke on October 07, 2009, 01:10:38 PM
The Big Questions:

"Are you a boy or a girl?"

yes... no.... maybe... what time is it anyway??

Quote
and

"Do you prefer boys or girls?"

I fall for the person, not their gender/s

Z
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: Walter on October 08, 2009, 02:44:21 AM
Quote from: LightlyLuke on October 07, 2009, 01:10:38 PM
The Big Questions:

"Are you a boy or a girl?"


I've never been asked this (unfortunately) but when and if I'm asked, I'm just going to respond with "Does it matter?"
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: Kinkly on October 08, 2009, 10:20:30 PM
Quote from: LightlyLuke on October 07, 2009, 01:10:38 PM
The Big Questions:

"Are you a boy or a girl?"
Yes I'm both

Quote
and

"Do you prefer boys or girls?"
romanticaly -
1st preferance in the middle somewhere (or outside the M/F continum)
2nd preferance female identified
3rd preferance female boddied
sexualy - no thanks

a little while ago I was asked at a trans meeting by someone I hadn't met before if I started life as a male or female that was nice I was wearing mid road clothling from fem side of shop with extra padding in bra and My beard was fairly thick :)
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: RebeccaFog on October 08, 2009, 11:12:24 PM
Quote from: Nero on October 01, 2009, 09:35:04 PM
Agreed. We also can be kind of invisible.

Since when are YOU ever invisible?   :P
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: Eva Marie on October 10, 2009, 01:22:49 AM
Quote from: Rebis on October 08, 2009, 11:12:24 PM
Since when are YOU ever invisible?   :P

LOL @ nero being invisible  :D
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: red on October 12, 2009, 10:30:23 PM
Quote from: LightlyLuke on October 07, 2009, 01:10:38 PM
The Big Questions:

"Are you a boy or a girl?" 

"Do you prefer boys or girls?" 
Our answers multiply exponentially.

-- Luke

"Are you a boy or a girl?" I'm a very hairy  man

and

"Do you prefer boys or girls?"  both, but I'm celibate.
Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: childofwinter on October 13, 2009, 06:14:50 PM
I now consider myself a bisexual. I've never really known for sure what my sexuality was (being very introverted and still a virgin means that I have no experience other than masturbation), and since my mid teens I considered myself at least bicurious. Noone I know in real life knows that I'm bi, and I "act straight".

Title: Re: Bisexuals and Androgynes
Post by: gilded on January 23, 2010, 11:29:21 PM
When I was transitioning back to a boy, a 7 yr old Indonesian girl asked me if I was a girl.

"Sometimes I am, when I feel like a girl and sometimes I feel like a boy."
She thought for 4 to 5 seconds then said, "yeah, I know what you mean. I'm the same way"