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Uhm, I'm just posting these cuz I like 'em.  I got this new hair product called putty...  Kinda like a less stiff gel, it's like exactly the kind of thing I needed when I had short hair before and didn't know how to style it.

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I have a naturally masculine hairline, I think...  Maybe that's why I'm passing even with my horrible cat-eye glasses o_o

Good pictures Mikko.  To be completely honest with you, I think you look androgynous.  However, think by wearing male clothes and having male "man"nerisms is what brings you onto the male side of the line.  I don't mean to be offensive, but I think unless we get honest answers sometimes, we can't work to improve our "look".  Obviously, as you said, getting more male looking glasses would help.  The haircut looks good.  If I recall, you are working out and that is good.  I think once you go on T, that would also help a lot.  In fact, I think it would be extremely difficult for anybody to see you as anything other than male once you do.  Good luck and I'm glad you are able to pass so consistently now.

Melissa

Quote from: Mikko on October 06, 2006, 03:45:12 PM
Uhm, I'm just posting these cuz I like 'em.  I got this new hair product called putty...  Kinda like a less stiff gel, it's like exactly the kind of thing I needed when I had short hair before and didn't know how to style it.

I have a naturally masculine hairline, I think...  Maybe that's why I'm passing even with my horrible cat-eye glasses o_o

Great pictures Mikko.  I have to agree that you do have a very masculine hair line and your hair is great as well, and although the glasses are very fem, I wouldn't say that they are horrible.  If you are looking to change anything I would look are the glasses, getting more masculine ones, but then they can be very expensive.

Steph

Yeah, money is kinda in and out right now so I have to continue to wait a bit on the glasses.  I'm probably going to get like Wal-Mart or Lenscrafters for now and get a nicer pair when the money's flowing a bit more freely.

Melissa, I do realize I look pretty androgynous, no offense taken :)  Androgynous is a good starting point for someone who was so girly just a short time ago though, and mannerisms and clothes help a lot.  Honestly I always loved kinda androgynous pretty guys so I'm thrilled with both my current looks and my prospects :)  I'll probably keep clean-shaven and still look a bit fem if I can once I'm on T.  I'm passing well (maybe cuz it's Ohio?) and I love how I look, and it's only been improving, so I'm more than happy :D

You look really good, Mikko! :)

Mikko,
You look great!
Please don't take offense, but I think one reason you pass, is that Hispanic and/or Native American men are often quite beautiful.
Believe me you pass, or I would not be staring at your pictures. :)
You're one hot dude!

Quote from: Mikko on October 06, 2006, 05:51:41 PM
Melissa, I do realize I look pretty androgynous, no offense taken :)  Androgynous is a good starting point for someone who was so girly just a short time ago though, and mannerisms and clothes help a lot.  Honestly I always loved kinda androgynous pretty guys so I'm thrilled with both my current looks and my prospects :)  I'll probably keep clean-shaven and still look a bit fem if I can once I'm on T.  I'm passing well (maybe cuz it's Ohio?) and I love how I look, and it's only been improving, so I'm more than happy :D

Now that you updated your profile pic, I can clearly see that you definitely look more male than I first thought.  In fact, you kind of have that "gay male" look.

Melissa

Quote from: Nero on October 06, 2006, 06:19:17 PM
Mikko,
You look great!
Please don't take offense, but I think one reason you pass, is that Hispanic and/or Native American men are often quite beautiful.
Believe me you pass, or I would not be staring at your pictures. :)
You're one hot dude!

Dude.  Thanks :D  Good to know someone else thinks I'm as hot as I do :P

I'm trying really hard not to be a narcissist, but man, I love the changes I've made :D
Posted on: October 06, 2006, 06:30:58 PM

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Quote from: Melissa on October 06, 2006, 06:25:14 PM

Quote from: Mikko on October 06, 2006, 05:51:41 PM
Melissa, I do realize I look pretty androgynous, no offense taken :)  Androgynous is a good starting point for someone who was so girly just a short time ago though, and mannerisms and clothes help a lot.  Honestly I always loved kinda androgynous pretty guys so I'm thrilled with both my current looks and my prospects :)  I'll probably keep clean-shaven and still look a bit fem if I can once I'm on T.  I'm passing well (maybe cuz it's Ohio?) and I love how I look, and it's only been improving, so I'm more than happy :D

Now that you updated your profile pic, I can clearly see that you definitely look more male than I first thought.  In fact, you kind of have that "gay male" look.

Melissa

By that I can tell you mean "smokin' hot" :)  j/k

:)  Thanks.

Yeah, I'd say it's a metrosexual/gay male look, even with the glasses. Looking fine to me. Course, my leanings are more toward straight, so if you could clone your female self please for me?

Dennis

Great new pic Mikko :)

If I were younger I wouldn't feel so creepy about thinking that you look like a pretty hot guy :P  Guess I'll just have to deal with it LOL

Mikko,

Your going to have the fast reactions to T I had I can tell that from looking at your pics bro.  THis is going to be a very fast and easy transition for the physical respects. When the T drops your voice that is going to be like heaven to your ears dude. I am assuming you have a fem voice. I never had a fem voice to begin with, but I have to say with the T mine also dropped even further down, actually waaay down!  I also suffer from chronic laragitis and the docs are not sure why. It does not mean that I cannot speak, but my voice is just blank in certian ranges.  They have been trying to treat it by dealing with damage in my esophogus, whatever, it has not worked yet. lol

And hey there is nothing wrong with thinking your good looking, I was at your age too! LOL  Mikko a guy knows when he is good looking and it is just part of being ....a guy. lol 

Yep glasses are very expensive, just got a new pair myself and can't wait for them to get in, my eyes sight is awful!  They say when you hit your fourties your eye lenses start loosing their flexability and mine are no longer flexing lol.  Anyway I had a 30% discount and mine still cost me out the butt!! I had to have a special lense for tri focals and I went with the top of the line lense for several reasons that I really needed to do that for.  If you go to lense crafters you are doing fine!  And I do agree that new glasses will help you out, they are not the is all and end all, you look male now, and sense your young your voice can be attributed to youth and delayed puberty, not a real big deal. 

Well anyway dude you have a lot to cheer about!! You look awsome!

Peace

Taylor

Mikko,

You are looking great honey.

Once you get on T the changes will be staggering!

Buffy

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(Look out evva'body!  Karen's got Photoshop and she knows how to use it!)

Dude, when you get on T...  Post this on the refrigerator or the bathroom mirror.

I did stop short of giving you a blue beard shadow -- I couldn't make it look realistic.

Karen (! GottaPackForPortland!!!!!!!!!AAAaaaaaa...)

Quote from: Dennis on October 06, 2006, 10:42:17 PM
Yeah, I'd say it's a metrosexual/gay male look, even with the glasses.

I would go so far as to say you even look a bit like Ted Raimi.

Quote from: Dennis on October 06, 2006, 10:42:17 PM
Course, my leanings are more toward straight, so if you could clone your female self please for me?

While your at it, could you whip me one up too. ;)  Actually I'd take either version (M or F). :)

Melissa
Posted on: October 07, 2006, 08:11:14 AM

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Quote from: Nero on October 06, 2006, 06:19:17 PM
Mikko,
You look great!
Please don't take offense, but I think one reason you pass, is that Hispanic and/or Native American men are often quite beautiful.
Believe me you pass, or I would not be staring at your pictures. :)
You're one hot dude!

Dude, you live in the same city.  Go and visit.  Sheesh.

Melissa

Quote from: Melissa on October 07, 2006, 10:15:40 AM

Dude, you live in the same city.  Go and visit.  Sheesh.

Melissa

Melissa,
If I recall correctly, he's taken. Not that that ever stopped me. ;)

My hair is stupid and does whatever it wants [wahhh-face]

Yep, taken :)

Thanks, guys :)
Posted on: October 07, 2006, 05:50:51 PM

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Taylor, yeah, my voice is very fem.  So is my smile, but if I consciously lower my voice and try not to smile I'm good :)

I really took that 'speaking from the lower end of the voicebox' thing to heart, and now most of my closest friends can't even distinguish my voice over the phone. I had one of my friends' who still lives with her parents dads get angry at me, he was all 'Are you calling for my daughter!? Are you trying to date her!?' it was pretty funny.

Quote from: Karen on October 07, 2006, 09:34:07 AM
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(Look out evva'body!  Karen's got Photoshop and she knows how to use it!)

Dude, when you get on T...  Post this on the refrigerator or the bathroom mirror.

I did stop short of giving you a blue beard shadow -- I couldn't make it look realistic.

Karen (! GottaPackForPortland!!!!!!!!!AAAaaaaaa...)

I like this picture indeed... :)  Yeah...I know...I'm always flirty even in foreign lands ;D...LOL...well you look great!  I just say what I think! :D

tinkerbell :icon_chick:

Yea, he looks like a young narcicist.  Mid teens I'd say.  I'm not seeing much of that beautiful young girl that used to look back at me.  Pretty boy, hollywood man, maybe male model when he gets older.  Glasses do detract.  And may I make a suggestion?  Don't stand in front of that cabinet door or whatever it is that makes it look like you have an earing dangling from your left ear! 

So you feel a bit narcicistic?  Good for you hon.  Revel in it.  You only get to do this once. 

Cindi

Quote from: Cindianna_Jones on October 09, 2006, 09:39:20 PM
Yea, he looks like a young narcicist.  Mid teens I'd say.  I'm not seeing much of that beautiful young girl that used to look back at me.  Pretty boy, hollywood man, maybe male model when he gets older.  Glasses do detract.  And may I make a suggestion?  Don't stand in front of that cabinet door or whatever it is that makes it look like you have an earing dangling from your left ear! 

So you feel a bit narcicistic?  Good for you hon.  Revel in it.  You only get to do this once. 

Cindi

Wow, thanks, heh...  This is all going straight to my head, be careful :)

I found out I can get new frames at Meijer down the road for $29 plus whatever the lenses cost...  You can get 3 pairs for $129 so should be easy to get one for under $100 :D
Posted on: October 10, 2006, 01:00:47 AM

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Here are my guns...  This is about a month of working out, up almost an inch around the upper arm!  They're still pretty small, but hey, I'm making good progress...  I kinda have skinny boy arms now instead of skinny girl arms I think, cept for the soft skin.

Bicep:
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And I gots man veins in the 2nd pic...  Always had them but they're becoming more prominent from working out.  And I switched to men's deodorant, and voila, the stuff actually works on me.  Women's deodorant never did much, I didn't sweat often but when I did, it didn't help at all.  The men's stuff work so well I actually forgot to put it on one day and still smelled fine after working out.  Crazy.

And no, I don't make that face on purpose because it's more manly, I'm just trying not to shake the camera :P  I hope I'm not too camera crazy for you guys, I'm just so excited about everything and get anxious if I'm not doing *something* transition-related for too long...

Wow... you are looking good Mikko!

What yer doing Saturday night honey????

Buffy

Wowza, looking great there Mikko.  I love that tricep shot and they are getting to be rather big and well defined.   :icon_woowoo:

Nice muscles.  I'm curious what you would look like without the glasses.

Melissa

Nice arms. And, dude, you've got man hands! ;D

Mikko,

Good going dude, that in a month is awsome progress!

Peace,
Taylor

Quote from: Melissa on October 10, 2006, 11:02:52 AM
Nice muscles.  I'm curious what you would look like without the glasses.

Melissa

Like this :)  (I left it uncropped cuz it cracked me up that this was the best picture I could take without my glasses on.  As if the camera needs them too, heh)

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Mikko, when I saw your picture en femme, I never would have believed that shot you just posted.  Brother and sister perhaps.  It is a wonderful change for you. And all this without T. You are an inspiration dude.

Cindi

Ok, you look VERY male in that picture.  If I didn't know you, I would guess hispanic male.

Melissa

Ive noticed an odd trend here with the younger FTM's.... they all resemble friends of mine.....
Jayded= Jay
Rafe   =Gabe
Mikko  =Mini Mike..........

You know what.... Remember that offer to trade.... I think Ill stay where I am, your looking way too manly for me to want to pull a shift.... <serously you look more manly build wise than I ever did at my peak of denial........>

All that in a month!!!   Dude!!!  your going to end up looking awsome by the time you actualy start T... *sighs*  I just wish it was that easy for us LoL   *Hugs*   Keep it up, your dedication is an assett to us all.

Thanks guys :)  You're all so encouraging!  With the amount of time I spend exercizing I better be making crazy progress.  I do aerobics (DDR) for 30-45 minutes, which the game tells me is equivalent to running 5 miles (though I kinda doubt that) and then lift for another 30-45 minutes.  If I'm sore or sick I skip one or the other but I do something every day and do both at least 5 days of the week.  I probably have spent another couple hours every day looking up passing tips and ftm sites.  Really my progress is probably indicative of a dangerous obsession o_o

And Taylor, man, you're largely responsible for my increasingly-masculine build, thanks for all your advice!  I haven't successfully cut all carbs (I eat mutigrain Cheerios every morning, that stuff is equivalent to like 5 different vitamin supplements rolled in one actually quite delicious breakfast), but I have vastly increased my protein intake and of course all the advice on lifting is proving sooo helpful :D

And Lynn - You don't want my body? ;) Hehehe... GET IT!  Well, I'm flattered and I wouldn't give it up anymore either :D

Mikko,

Don't confuse complex carbs with carbs. We all need complex carbs, you find them in beans, and multi grains are absolutely great for you and your digestive system! ( Keep the Morning cereal dude! great plan!)  Also you may want to try lentils if you have not, good source of iron too. Carbs are tricky because while the reg carbs sack your energy and turn to sugar in breakdown, the Complex Carbs are what we call good carbs and you need them! 

I really am impressed with your progress. And even if you are on a compulsive kick, it is a healthy one, that you can find a pace for as you go on and that will give you a healthy living style! Sounds pretty good to me!

Keep us updated man your really doing impressively well!

Peace
Taylor

Remember to keep an eye on the proportions that you are taking in, not just the quantity.  Also it is important to let your muscles rest and recover.  If you do not then you will hit times when it appears that your body just refuses to muscle up any more and you may even lose some ground.   Yes, you are looking good and look like some of the young men I see out and about in the city.

Oh, yeah, I still eat a wide variety of foods, with some beans and multigrains every day, and I don't lift if I'm too sore.  My bf used to be really into lifting so he's helped me a lot and set up my plan with me and taught me proper form and such.  He said I could probably expect to plateau at about 3 months and stop seeing much more growth.

I started out curling 10 lbs and I'm up to 20, and for the shoulders I actually need to go buy more weights cuz the biggest I have is 25 and I can do 3 sets on that already.  Oddly my left bicep seems just a little stronger than my right (I'm right-handed) but the left tricep is weaker, probably from when I was working a fulltime day job and having wrist problems so I'd do certain things only with one arm or the other.  I've been trying to balance them out by doing the same exercise on each arm even if the stronger one feels like it could to another couple reps, but it hasn't really changed yet.  Is there a better way to work on that?  I don't want to be lop-sided :P

I've been kind of suprised at the rate of growth too, but I seem to put on and maintain muscle with very little effort, so now that I'm consciously trying it sort of makes sense how fast I've been getting bigger.  That has been the biggest reason why keep saying I think I may have higher T than normal.

On another note, what do you guys think about these haircuts:

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I think mine is too long on the top and want something more stylish.  I've been looking at pics of Asian guys for ideas cuz I look Asian and Asian celebs tend to have really great haircuts, guess I could look for Latino guys too (though they're culturally not as metro/androgynous).  Also, Takeshi Kaneshiro is scorchingly hot so looking up pics of him is fun, and he's gay so I have a shot, right? :)

So do you think either of these styles would look good on me or have any suggestions?  Maintenance doesn't bother me - it did when I had girl hair but I've been styling it daily since I cut it off and I like it.

Hi Mikko.
Actually, I think either cut would flatter you. :)
And yeah, that Takeshi guy is hot.

I do like the one in the pic on top, but it might just be the way the hair is styled--upkeep issues for daily wear? The way your hair is now looks pretty good, though.

Thanks guys :)  I like that top one too.  The upkeep's not that big a deal because I've been upkeeping daily since i cut it shorter and already have the right product for that style.  The messy look is a lot easier than anything I did to my hair when it looked girly, heh

Quote from: MikkoTakeshi Kaneshiro is scorchingly hot

Quote from: Nerothat Takeshi guy is hot.

This is the very first time in my life that two men and I agree on something...

Yep!  Takeshi Kaneshiro is a real hottie indeed! >:D

tinkerbell :icon_chick:

Mikko,
   I vote for the one on top too. And by the way, my friend in Indiana whom I have known since the 7th grade tells me she thinks you are very hot. She is very much attracted to androg people. So I guess that is what you look like. She is too funny.

                                                  Marco

Mikko,

Good pics dude.  I'm probably older than most on here but in my generation guys always parted there hair on the left, that may not apply anymore, I don't know. My hair is too short to part now, but when it was longer I parted it on the left. That's just what I was taught, don't know if it makes a difference now.

Take care Mikko,
Scott

Quote from: Scott on October 13, 2006, 06:10:32 AM
Mikko,

Good pics dude.  I'm probably older than most on here but in my generation guys always parted there hair on the left, that may not apply anymore, I don't know. My hair is too short to part now, but when it was longer I parted it on the left. That's just what I was taught, don't know if it makes a difference now.

Take care Mikko,
Scott

Huh, I didn't know there was a rule :)  Mine is parted on the left anyway, most of these photos are taken in a mirror.

Quote from: Marco on October 13, 2006, 03:05:23 AM
Mikko,
   I vote for the one on top too. And by the way, my friend in Indiana whom I have known since the 7th grade tells me she thinks you are very hot. She is very much attracted to androg people. So I guess that is what you look like. She is too funny.

                                                  Marco

Well, tell her thanks for me :)

I am going to go against the flow and say that I hate the top one.  Looks like you just rolled out of bed and did not take any time to comb your hair.

Quote from: LostInTime on October 13, 2006, 12:36:49 PM
I am going to go against the flow and say that I hate the top one.  Looks like you just rolled out of bed and did not take any time to comb your hair.

Heh, that's what kids are doing these days :P

Wow, you look great Mikko. If only I could get up the courage to cut my hair short. I want to so badly, but my parents won't let me (still under their control sadly.) Keep up the great work, I love the new pics.   ;D