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Has anyone else noticed that after SRS there hips have really grown out?

I like it, it's good, I've got a nice hour glass figure. My hips keep going out, and my waist keeps going in. I really haven't gained any weight either.

The only frustrating thing is trying to keep up with pants! Before surgery I was a size 7, and now I'm a size 12. Back in June I was size 10. So, every couple of months, my pants no longer fit. I have just stuck to not getting a whole lot of new pants until things start leveling off. Plus, with no job at the moment, I couldn't afford to get new pants every few months. LOL

Everything fits differently now, too, and not just pants. As the rest of my body changes I'm finding shirts that no longer fit right -- older ones are stretched out differently. So, I'm finding I'm also replacing shirts although many of my older ones still fit. With a bigger bust, some of my smaller ones don't fit was well on the top, and are too stretched out on the bottom from my bigger previous waist.

Before surgery, I found my hips didn't grow out a whole lot. I went from a size 5 to a size 7 in the two years of HRT.

After surgery, I don't know, my body seemed to be in shock. Nothing grew, not even my hair. (Well, maybe things were just really slow). After about 6 months post-op, things started again but this time much faster and all over the map. LOL

It's good, although, 'cause now I don't look so stick like and I look more hourglass like. I'm excited to see how things are going to turn out.

In the mean time, I'm shopping for new clothes but also keeping that to a min for now. I've also started to exercise more, which seems to help my waist out a lot. Also, exercise seems to have helped tone me out as well, which is nice.

And, of course, there's been a lot of psychological changes, etc.

Anyway, I just thought I'd share my post-op experience, and field the question if being post-op brought many changes to you or not.

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Oh, I forgot to mention the growing pains. My hips HURT when they are growing out. It reminds me of being a teen-ager again. o_0  I didn't think/expect that I'd start getting growing pains. I usually take IBprofen for the pain when it gets bad.

Do you experience growing pains?

I've also noticed that my hips are getting a bit w-i-d-e-r.  Nice to see, but I really don't think my backside is as full as it could be, though my partner says that she likes to look at it.  :laugh:

I hadn't really thought that it was because of SRS, though.  As I understand, it takes about 2 to 3 years for fat redistribution to become apparent.  I've been on HRT for about three years and it's been over a year and a half since SRS, but I've only noticed the widening in the last few months.

No particular growing pains, at least not in the hips.  My breasts seem a bit more sensitive, but I really haven't grown much there.

-Sandy

Quote from: gothique11 on November 02, 2009, 03:29:40 PM
Has anyone else noticed that after SRS there hips have really grown out?

I like it, it's good, I've got a nice hour glass figure. My hips keep going out, and my waist keeps going in. I really haven't gained any weight either.

The only frustrating thing is trying to keep up with pants! Before surgery I was a size 7, and now I'm a size 12. Back in June I was size 10. So, every couple of months, my pants no longer fit. I have just stuck to not getting a whole lot of new pants until things start leveling off. Plus, with no job at the moment, I couldn't afford to get new pants every few months. LOL

Everything fits differently now, too, and not just pants. As the rest of my body changes I'm finding shirts that no longer fit right -- older ones are stretched out differently. So, I'm finding I'm also replacing shirts although many of my older ones still fit. With a bigger bust, some of my smaller ones don't fit was well on the top, and are too stretched out on the bottom from my bigger previous waist.

Before surgery, I found my hips didn't grow out a whole lot. I went from a size 5 to a size 7 in the two years of HRT.

After surgery, I don't know, my body seemed to be in shock. Nothing grew, not even my hair. (Well, maybe things were just really slow). After about 6 months post-op, things started again but this time much faster and all over the map. LOL

It's good, although, 'cause now I don't look so stick like and I look more hourglass like. I'm excited to see how things are going to turn out.

In the mean time, I'm shopping for new clothes but also keeping that to a min for now. I've also started to exercise more, which seems to help my waist out a lot. Also, exercise seems to have helped tone me out as well, which is nice.

And, of course, there's been a lot of psychological changes, etc.

Anyway, I just thought I'd share my post-op experience, and field the question if being post-op brought many changes to you or not.

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Oh, I forgot to mention the growing pains. My hips HURT when they are growing out. It reminds me of being a teen-ager again. o_0  I didn't think/expect that I'd start getting growing pains. I usually take IBprofen for the pain when it gets bad.

Do you experience growing pains?

Is it bone related at all you think? Or just TOTALLY fat without the slightest of bone?

And can you PM me what you feel like with that? cause this thread is fascinating to me. Nating nating nating... trails off

I had those too!  For me it was only during the first two years of transition. I had an orchi at the five year mark & didnt feel a recurrence of the dull hip throb, but my boobs did hurt for a month or two.

Quote from: Kara-Xen on November 02, 2009, 06:05:17 PM
Is it bone related at all you think? Or just TOTALLY fat without the slightest of bone?

And can you PM me what you feel like with that? cause this thread is fascinating to me. Nating nating nating... trails off

Well, *feels self* feels like bone to me. My butt has also started to look really nice. I find walking has changed. Posture has changed. The curve on my lower spine has changed a lot, too.

Before GRS, yes, there were changes, but it just seems more dramatic body wise, if that makes sense. The first but of HRT there were lots of changes during the first year. The second year, things were slower. Then I had GRS. After GRS everything thing seemed to stop -- my hair was barely even growing. My boobs even shrank some. I was freaking out a bit, but then I found out that it could be related to surgery shock. Some people get it and some don't. Sometimes surgery can shock your body a bit, and also your body spends a lot of energy towards healing. I lost lots of weight. Then I gained weight like crazy, and then that weight went away and I'm back to where I was weight wise before. Pretty average. things just have leveled out weight wise, my body is healing, and everything seems to be growing. Breasts, hips, the shape of my body -- even my hair!

Mmm, it's just kinda intense, yet interesting. Besides physical, there's also been a lot of mental things going on, too. Post-op is a different world that pre-op. It's hard to explain.

I've wondered about this, though I think that it might have more to do with fat than bone.  With the onset of winter, I pulled out my jeans (I don't really wear them during the warm months) only to find that I can't pull my size 3's up much beyond my knees.  I went shopping last weekend for replacements, figuring that I might have gone up to the 5-6 size range.  Oh, no: apparently 7 is now my lucky number.  I had noticed a substantial increase in the stretch marks on my thighs this past year, but I guess I underestimated just how much my body has changed lately.

If I remember correctly, the pubic bones continue to mature up to age 25; it's not hard to imagine that the past few years on hormones and then SRS last May might have caused the pelvis to shift in a more female direction in terms of shape.  I think it's probably more likely though that I've just seen some serious fat redistribution instead.

Lia

What a wonderful thread.  I assumed all pelvic growth would be fat distribution.  I thought women's pevic bones sealed in the early 20's.  I would love to have nice shapely hips.  I have to tell you I kept getting taller and had two growth spurts in my 40's.  I would have the doc check my hormones but everything was normal.  I guess if that can happen hip bones can grow too. How old are you gothique11?

Randi

I started HRT when I was 26, I'm gonna be 31 in a couple of weeks. I don't look 30 at all, most people think I'm in my early 20's. I never really aged much. *shrugs* A few of my friends swear that it looks like I've been aging backwards. I still get ID'd all over the place, and I've had many times where people have thought that my ID was fake. I still get asked what high school I go to. o_0

Quote from: gothique11 on November 15, 2009, 07:08:18 PM
I started HRT when I was 26, I'm gonna be 31 in a couple of weeks. I don't look 30 at all, most people think I'm in my early 20's. I never really aged much. *shrugs* A few of my friends swear that it looks like I've been aging backwards. I still get ID'd all over the place, and I've had many times where people have thought that my ID was fake. I still get asked what high school I go to. o_0

I get this too. I'm 31 and nobody believes it until I show them my DL. I started hormones at 23 (herbal quackery from 21). I think the HRT is a big part of this for us, but avoiding cigarettes and sunlight helps just as much.

Quote from: gracie_kendall on November 15, 2009, 07:31:47 PM
I get this too. I'm 31 and nobody believes it until I show them my DL. I started hormones at 23 (herbal quackery from 21). I think the HRT is a big part of this for us, but avoiding cigarettes and sunlight helps just as much.

I used to look older than i do now... D:

I wish but no it hasn't happened to me yet.  Could it? I've only been post-op for a year so maybe there's still some hope.

Quote from: gracie_kendall on November 15, 2009, 07:31:47 PM
I get this too. I'm 31 and nobody believes it until I show them my DL. I started hormones at 23 (herbal quackery from 21). I think the HRT is a big part of this for us, but avoiding cigarettes and sunlight helps just as much.

This can be genetics too. Even living as a man I never ever looked close to my age. At 21 I didn't look a day over 16. Now with 35 creeping up I get ID'd still in either gender (worse as a girl) and most people don't think I am over 25. Granted I will say that HRT has really halted any aging I was showing. But for example my father at 40 barely looked 30. However on the other side to the family they age really early. My brother does look 40.

Hmmm, this is a very curious thread...Ive been on HRT for a little over two years. Ive noticed a little added padding around the hips, but not as much as I would like, definitely other areas too... Hopefully with continued diligence there will be more to come :-)

i'm the same weight as I was pre-op, I used to be size 7 and now I'm a size 12 post -op. 0_0  It looks good, but I have loads of pants that no longer fit. LOL  The pain that comes with growth spurts sux, although. blah! My breasts have really started to go like crazy, and my waist has really gone in too -- I'm getting a really nice hour-glass figure! It's great!

this hasn't been true of other people I know who are post op. They've had a bit, but a lot I know really haven't filled out as much as I have.

The changes have been insane this last year, and pretty fast. The first year of HRT I had tons of changes. The second year things seemed slower and more leveled out, then I had SRS, after SRS the first 6 months not a whole lot happened other then I gained weight. Then I started losing weight and going back to where I was pre-op, but started changing like crazy. LOL

It's been an intense ride, but well worth it!

my hips aren't hourglass like a ts pornstar but the bone itself has always been wider and it became more apparent due to years of hrt and srs but i definately need some silicone or pmma to fill out the hollows.
they do hip implants at 'thai ts clinic', i have emailed them and they have emailed back, however they have not told me where they insert them so i am not sure where the incision site is, I'm just really over surgery scars, an injectable filler would be much more ideal, then again they are so expensive.  ::)

Quote from: jade on November 20, 2009, 11:06:39 PM
my hips aren't hourglass like a ts pornstar.

lol 

Quotehips growing out after SRS

Nope.  One year post-op & still waiting.  But doesn't Dr. Zukowski (the FFS doctor) in Illinois perform some kind of hip enhancement surgery?  I've got an internet lady friend that's had that done with him.

There are actual hip implants made of solid silicone (no it does not rupture or leak) just like butttock and breast implants.
Thai TS Clinic in Bangkok provides that surgery, they are slightly more expensive than buttock implants. However they told me they prefer to use 'Fat Grafting' method for the hips than use implants. This might be due to the anatomy of that area because implants may be unpredictable for long term regarding their positioning since hip implants are a new cosmetic advancement. I have already submitted my photos, they advised me that I need buttock implants more than hip implants, and after the buttock implants, if i still insist on the hips, they still prefer fat grafting and do not recommend hip implants. But since these implants are manufactured and they are available, they can't be that bad that they are not recommended. Its kind of like saying yeah we do have a cure for your cancer but we really do not recommend it, just stick with the old medications. There are no other options I guess unless a girl wants to go in hiding for a while and eat KFC the whole time and get an all over body lipo and use all that fat to be grafted into the hip and buttocks area.

Regardless, this waist to hip ratio is an important issue for women born transgendered. Breast implants are not enough these days to conceal traces of the damage done by testesterone. People are not as innocent as they used to be. They are aware we go get breast implants. We need to take it to the next level and change our bodies completely. And this only applies to slim women. I have no advice for women who have more rolls than a bakery, all the angles they have are smoothened and softened by their luscious adipose tissues already.

Also there is a rib removal procedure performed by a few surgeons, that helps the waist to hip ratio without having to make things bigger, if you type rib removal or rib surgery, it will come up on youtube, there is a lady who has had this done. Its worth considering if one is very particular about how they want to look.

We must learn to accept the things we can't change.  Hips amongst them.  ~laugh~  Where in Thailand, Jade?  The Suporn clinic?

If SRS made your hips grow a bit, then would an orchiectomy do the same thing?


I mean, I know the effect on the brain must be potent to have its signals coming from the right place finally...


But the removal of the T... Is that it?

Maybe it is the T removal. My T levels are about the same pre and post, except I now I don't take blockers. I have found, however, lots and lots and lots more changes after surgery. So, yeah, Surgery seems to of made a difference in a lot of areas. This last year has been insane for changes.

Quote from: gothique11 on December 18, 2009, 05:26:25 AM
Maybe it is the T removal. My T levels are about the same pre and post, except I now I don't take blockers. I have found, however, lots and lots and lots more changes after surgery. So, yeah, Surgery seems to of made a difference in a lot of areas. This last year has been insane for changes.

I wasn't sure if I should PM you but I thought other people on this thread might be curious to know as well: Can you elaborate on the the specificity of changes? Positive/Negative? Areas of change? Rate and degree/measure of growth or shrinkage. Also, when referring to surgery were you speaking about an orchi (in response to Kara-Xen) or were you talking about SRS (and out of curiosity's sake, with whom did you get the surgery?)

Sorry if my question comes off as probing and overly analytical, I would just love to here more about your experience, and all others willing to share!  :angel:

I had SRS with Dr. Brassard, just over 18 months ago.

I've had so many changes it's hard to really say them all.

I haven't really "measured" other than noting my pants sizes have continually changed, and others have continued to notice. A pair of pants is lasting me a couple of months before I have to end up buying a new pair that's larger. I've also lost weight. Hips get sore often, too.

Waist has gone in lots, as I have lost weight as well. Older shirts are no longer fitting. Sholders have gone in, as I'm finding older shirts to have too big of shoulders now.

Lots of facial changes. My avatar is a pic me, taken a few days ago.

Although I haven't had FFS, some people say I look good and I rarely have a problem with "passing" as people call it. I have thought about getting FFS, however, despite others saying that I don't need it. But, I also know that I tend to focus on my own flaws and sometimes I'm overly critical of myself in a dysphoric kind of way. Example: how an anorexic who's skin and bones still thinks that she is fat -- I get like that with the way I look. Everyone can see me as pretty and tell me that, and I can have no issues with attracting anyone I want, and people may even get jealous over me; meanwhile, I'll beat myself up and feel like the ugliest person in the universe, and undeserving of such attention.

I can only speak from my experience others vary widely.  I was on Ethinyl Estrodoil and synthetic progesterone.  It varied at different times depending on what the doctor and I were trying to achieve.  My case is different because the primary purpose was libido suppression; the feminizing characteristics were just a bonus.  It was experimental and so we made adjustments.  I started off on low dose tri-phasal birth control pills.  I found that when I was over one per day my drive increased as the dose went up.  Progesterone is almost identical to testosterone in structure, so it hits some of the same receptors.  Up to one a day my drive decreased inversely with the dosage. Later we moved me to the Estraderm transdermal patch because it had no progesterone and there were no reported cases of cancer in MTF on Estraderm. 

So here's what I noted.  At about two weeks my nipples started to hurt, I loved that.  by six months my breast had swelled quite visibly, about an A and an AA cup.  At first I noticed that the skin of my breast was sensitive but the tissue underneath became less able to sense touch as the tissue pad increased.  Over time I don't notice this, either because nerves have infiltrated the new growth or because I had gotten used to it.  At first the growth was just under the nipples and slowly spread out to form a number of branches.  Pretty quickly you can feel them bounce, I love that.

After a few years I used the patches.  What neither the doctor or I paid attention too was that even though the pills and patches have comparable doses the patches cause a serological Estadoil level nearly 20 times as high.  This happens because the medication goes right to the blood instead of through the GI tract into the liver to the blood.  That sounds great, however within two years I started having TIA (six of them) They are small strokes.  This means it was causing blood clots which are VERY serious and can kill or disable you.  I've lost 50% of my hearing, everything over 4000 Hz is just screaming in my ears as well as some loss of verbal expression ability, and some shorter term damage.  The TIA's stopped when I decided it was time to go into menopause.  On the upside my breast doubled to a B cup and a small A cup.  I am quite asymmetric. The right breast formed roughly one ring of lactiferous ducts the other several layers.  I'm working on balancing that right now with a device similar to the Brava System. 

Other changes, I had a pretty good sized derriere already, but I noticed no change there, however I didn't start until my 40's.  I used to need sunglasses in bright light, I became much more tolerant.  Sweetness, everything tasted sweeter, I always wondered how chicks tolerated three bean salad, now I know.  Hair, I got back about 1/3 of my male pattern baldness in two months.  It goes away after two months off estrogen and comes back each time I start.  I loose lots of body hair, cleaning the shower was a mess for a while.  I measured my average beard whisker diameter at 1/3 smaller.  I loved to hold babies, when ever I could talk mothers out of them.  I wanted even more to sit down with the girls and chat.  Not that it did any good because women clam up and give you the floor when a guy walks in.  (There's a thread here on male privilege.  I wonder why no one mentioned that there are a string of female privileges too?)  As for body strength, I don't know.  I'm 6'6" and 230#, I'm so strong that virtually no one matches me.  A decrease would only put me back in the upper averages anyway.  I was dramatically less aggressive.

randi1214

Quote from: gothique11 on December 19, 2009, 06:12:13 PM
I had SRS with Dr. Brassard, just over 18 months ago.

I've had so many changes it's hard to really say them all.

I haven't really "measured" other than noting my pants sizes have continually changed, and others have continued to notice. A pair of pants is lasting me a couple of months before I have to end up buying a new pair that's larger. I've also lost weight. Hips get sore often, too.

Waist has gone in lots, as I have lost weight as well. Older shirts are no longer fitting. Sholders have gone in, as I'm finding older shirts to have too big of shoulders now.

Lots of facial changes. My avatar is a pic me, taken a few days ago.

Although I haven't had FFS, some people say I look good and I rarely have a problem with "passing" as people call it. I have thought about getting FFS, however, despite others saying that I don't need it. But, I also know that I tend to focus on my own flaws and sometimes I'm overly critical of myself in a dysphoric kind of way. Example: how an anorexic who's skin and bones still thinks that she is fat -- I get like that with the way I look. Everyone can see me as pretty and tell me that, and I can have no issues with attracting anyone I want, and people may even get jealous over me; meanwhile, I'll beat myself up and feel like the ugliest person in the universe, and undeserving of such attention.

You pass though. Means you're certainly going in the right direction. And you're not undeserving of attention, I don't think anyone is...


Whooooo! Really random drunken comments, gotta love em'!

It'd be a nice treat but I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary since my GRS either. 

My friend just felt them and said they jutted out like hers ._.


They're really not THAT big but apparently they stick out of my body a little... Maybe by contrast cause I'm so bloody skinny. I know they're a LITTLE bigger and rounder. Not much but wow, that was an odd night.

Absolutely.  After my orchi, it felt like overnight I was seeing serious fat shifting and shaping.  The most shocking thing for me was how much of a challenge it had become to keep my belly firm!  I had been doing HRT for years and had decent fat redistribution, and could go a little while between work outs and still have killer abs.  Now, if I go a week with out yoga / crunches, I start to lose definition FAST.

My therapist made a great comment about it... "You're belly is getting ready to make babies!"

Ha ha.  I wish!  :(

... but yeah, my thighs are kinda ginormous now, but in a good way.  I used to think shaving took a long time before (I'm 6' 2"), but now it's a real chore with how much surface area there is to cover.

Not complaining though... totally loving it. :)

P.S.  After my orchi I went off spiro, and pretty much halved my E dosage.  Went of Progesterone long ago.  Once again, really happy with the results... didn't really do much for my boobs though. :(

estrogen helps maintain youth, that's why women after menopause age quickly. keeping yourself on high dose estrogen definitely slows aging, but too much and you run into risks of cancer.

other factors include genetics, lifestyle and mentality.

Quote from: milktea on January 13, 2010, 06:54:34 AM
estrogen helps maintain youth, that's why women after menopause age quickly. keeping yourself on high dose estrogen definitely slows aging, but too much and you run into risks of cancer.

other factors include genetics, lifestyle and mentality.

Now if only there could be a regimen of other chemicals that cancel out the carcinogenic side effects of estro... So we could all do higher doses more safely.

Like some kind of weekly treatment that had other hormones to kinda cancel it out a little.

Wow, I wish my body developed in a more feminine hourglass way before and after SRS. I do not know why, but there has been really little real significant change to my basic body shape prior to and after my SRS that had occurred more than five years ago. This has really surprised me very much. If it were not for my breast implants, I am not certain that there would be much change as fare as my figure, as shocking as this sounds. I think that a few of the reasons for my lack of development has been my age at transition, in my mid 40s; that I have always been quite thin for my height before and after SRS, 125lbs. at about 5'9"; and a lack of consistency in medical care during HRT and SRS. It also my be a result of the type and amount of HRT I have been given over the years, depo estrodial. I find this baffling. My measurements are roughly the same as they were before I started HRT and SRS for the exception of my breast implants! My hips have remained at about 35" and my waist at about 25".

Quote from: Felicity on January 14, 2010, 01:37:26 AMMy hips have remained at about 35" and my waist at about 25".

What's wrong with that? That's not a feminine hourglass? Then I don't know what is.

shoulder width! thin small shoulders help a lot more than a 25" waist

If you say so. You look fine to me.

I had butt implants put in and had fat grafting done to my hips in December '09. It was worth the pain. However, I want more volume because I like the dramatic look so I will be doing more procedures in the future. I was advised not to go ahead with the hip implants because they restrict movement and they can shift over time, but they do exist.

Quote from: jade on February 02, 2010, 05:22:52 AM
I had butt implants put in and had fat grafting done to my hips in December '09. It was worth the pain. However, I want more volume because I like the dramatic look so I will be doing more procedures in the future. I was advised not to go ahead with the hip implants because they restrict movement and they can shift over time, but they do exist.

is the fat graft living tissue? Cause, if so I'd totally do it.

%70 of the fat grafting survives in the newly injected area, it's a more natural alternative to other methods of augmentation, the more fat the better result you get.

Quote from: jade on February 02, 2010, 05:31:07 PM
%70 of the fat grafting survives in the newly injected area, it's a more natural alternative to other methods of augmentation, the more fat the better result you get.

Is it human fat cells? Are they donated or are they grown or are they fake?


Also....

So it would be possible to get injections in hip/chest/etc?

That'd be so cool... I could gain weight without eating like a pig for 2 years straight.

Quote from: Kara-Xen on February 03, 2010, 12:41:09 AM
Is it human fat cells? Are they donated or are they grown or are they fake?


Also....

So it would be possible to get injections in hip/chest/etc?

That'd be so cool... I could gain weight without eating like a pig for 2 years straight.

I'm going to cut in and say they just move your own fat cells to a more. . favorable area.

:(


Wait. They don't culture them/grow them?

Wait... That would mean that I needed a lot of extra fat cells :( :( :(.


Today doesn't get any better does it?


FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

They are real and they are your very own fat cells, they do not clone them. The Fat cells are grafted from one area to another, after liposuction, they purify them in lab conditions and inject them back into the preferred area, for instance, if u have abdominal lipo, they can put it in ur hips and buttocks which is ideal for women. I had lipo to my upper thighs and had 100 cc of my own fat put in each hip, and don't forget the 330 cc round shaped buttock implants.  ;D

Can't they grow more cells for cases that are just horribly, sickly skinny? Like stem cell that shiznit and call me in when its ready and inject it in? I Don't care if I have a little fat on my tummy, which I never do, just as long as the other areas are taken care of...

Quote from: Kara-Xen on February 03, 2010, 02:16:38 AM
Can't they grow more cells for cases that are just horribly, sickly skinny? Like stem cell that shiznit and call me in when its ready and inject it in? I Don't care if I have a little fat on my tummy, which I never do, just as long as the other areas are taken care of...

The procedure is called liposcupting, it is a form of liposuction.

As has been mentioned, the surgeon removes fat cells from one area, usually the abdomen, through liposuction, purify them through a centrifuge, then re-inject them into the preferred areas, like the face, hips, buttocks or thighs.  Depending on where they are placed the survival rate of those re-planted cells is anywhere from 50-80 percent.  Those cells that don't re-plant will be sloughed off.  Those fat cells that are removed from the donor area will usually not grow back.  That is the one nice thing about liposuction.

As they are human cells, they cannot be transplanted in anyone else, nor can they be cloned.

For those who are excessively thin, there is only one thing to do and that is to put on fat through diet.

-Sandy

Quote from: Sandy on February 03, 2010, 05:54:16 AM
The procedure is called liposcupting, it is a form of liposuction.

As has been mentioned, the surgeon removes fat cells from one area, usually the abdomen, through liposuction, purify them through a centrifuge, then re-inject them into the preferred areas, like the face, hips, buttocks or thighs.  Depending on where they are placed the survival rate of those re-planted cells is anywhere from 50-80 percent.  Those cells that don't re-plant will be sloughed off.  Those fat cells that are removed from the donor area will usually not grow back.  That is the one nice thing about liposuction.

As they are human cells, they cannot be transplanted in anyone else, nor can they be cloned.

For those who are excessively thin, there is only one thing to do and that is to put on fat through diet.

-Sandy

Can't they stimulate growth or culture the cells ever?

Quote from: Kara-Xen on February 03, 2010, 12:49:28 PM
Can't they stimulate growth or culture the cells ever?

Not really.  There are experiments that have shown promise, but nothing that has made it's way to human safe procedures.

Stem cell research and cloning may someday lead to a much easier and effective body feminization/masculinization, but for now it is still science fiction.

-Sandy

Quote from: Kara-Xen on February 03, 2010, 12:49:28 PM
Can't they stimulate growth or culture the cells ever?

Probably possible, but not enough people actually want more fat cells. Well, not in the US anyway.

Skinny bitchez who can't grow fat in the right places will need massive amounts of PMMA. lol

Fat isn't the only thing that makes hips feminine though. The shape of the bone has a lot to do with it too.
It usually looks different, the hips of women are usually wider and the fat spreads across wider area.

That's why t-girls who usually aren't blessed with the wider hip bone need to get that area filled out somehow because I personally don't know of any surgery where they can widen your bones.

Quote from: jade on February 19, 2010, 08:59:19 PM
That's why t-girls who usually aren't blessed with the wider hip bone need to get that area filled out somehow because I personally don't know of any surgery where they can widen your bones.

I think I read sometime that some surgeons when doing bottom surgery sometime pull the pubic symphysis further apart so they have room to make the vagina and entry as well as the urination all fit in.

That pulls the legs a bit further apart and makes the whole pelvis wider as this is what's wider usually.

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those here who think they add their hip bones grow a bit after surgery, try to stand infront of a mirror and notice your Q-angle.
Compare it to how you see other women legs coming in and see if it is similar \ /
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If you want you can also try to measure it.
http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cybertherapist/front/knee/q-angle.php (http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cybertherapist/front/knee/q-angle.php)

It's true that on average, women's pelvises are wider than men's, but like with any sexually-dimorphic trait, there's a whole lot of natural variation. And the distribution is skewed in large part because pregnancy and birth change the shape of the pelvis; there's hardly any difference at all between men and women who haven't been pregnant. Virtually all of the visible difference is fat distribution. And it takes years of female hormones to develop that fat distribution; teenage girls have very narrow hips, as reflected in the shape of "juniors" clothing.

(I don't mean to be insensitive by suggesting that you ladies compare yourselves to teenage girls, but unfortunately no matter your age, that's where you are in your physical puberty if you're currently transitioning. On the male side, it's a pretty standard comparison we have to make - everything from facial shape to skin texture to voice to hair to acne, at various stages of transition, is best understood by looking at what boys go through, even if we're in mid-adulthood or older.)

To Felicity: With 35-inch hips and 25-inch waist, you have a waist-to-hip ratio of 0.71, or virtually the exact ratio (0.7) heterosexual men have been found to prefer in women. You have a waist size many ciswomen would kill for, and your hips match it perfectly.

Quote from: kyril on February 21, 2010, 07:27:32 AM
It's true that on average, women's pelvises are wider than men's, but like with any sexually-dimorphic trait, there's a whole lot of natural variation. And the distribution is skewed in large part because pregnancy and birth change the shape of the pelvis; there's hardly any difference at all between men and women who haven't been pregnant. Virtually all of the visible difference is fat distribution. And it takes years of female hormones to develop that fat distribution; teenage girls have very narrow hips, as reflected in the shape of "juniors" clothing.

That's completely untrue. The differences in pelvis occur at about 90% and the 10% is women with android-like pelvis, men with gynacoid pelvis is more rare.

The differences are massive before pregnancy.

I didn't say that they weren't different - the shape of the bones is different, and if you can see the actual bones, that's going to be obvious. But the shape of the bones isn't what's visible from the outside, except insofar as it affects the angle of the hip joint etc. What you see is the width of the bone structure, and there is a ton of overlap there, especially pre-pregnancy. Once you add an estrogen-influenced fat distribution, you get a shape that's well within the normal range.

Quote from: kyril on February 21, 2010, 07:48:35 AM
I didn't say that they weren't different - the shape of the bones is different, and if you can see the actual bones, that's going to be obvious. But the shape of the bones isn't what's visible from the outside, except insofar as it affects the angle of the hip joint etc. What you see is the width of the bone structure, and there is a ton of overlap there, especially pre-pregnancy. Once you add an estrogen-influenced fat distribution, you get a shape that's well within the normal range.

Nope, unless the cartilage and bones move or grow in away, the shape people see is still extremely different for most of those people.
The bone is quite wide, the overlap in THIS specific bone structure in the body is minimum, really. The difference only grows bigger after pregnancy but is quite different before. Open your eyes more ;)

Quote from: kyril on February 21, 2010, 07:27:32 AM
It's true that on average, women's pelvises are wider than men's, but like with any sexually-dimorphic trait, there's a whole lot of natural variation. And the distribution is skewed in large part because pregnancy and birth change the shape of the pelvis; there's hardly any difference at all between men and women who haven't been pregnant.

Going to have to second Myself. There's definitely a large difference in nulliparous  (got to love that word) women. In fact, I can say firsthand that men with my pelvis width (relative to body, of course) would be quite rare.

Also, the size of the rib cage is an issue too. Lot of sexual dimorphism there.

Uhm.... My pelvis is now sticking out/at a different arrangement than It used to be. The tendons, shifted, yes... But I'm not even freaking kidding the bones EDGE itself is thicker... The bone itself is a bit bigger than it used to be. I'm not suggesting MAJOR bone growth but there DEFINITELY Has been a little. I'm 21. I stunted a lot of my original pubertys growth. Either that or crazyness follows me even here... I've had my friends feel my pelvis and hips and they tell me its DEFINITELY not male shaped anymore...

I don't know why SRS would cause your hips to widen other than you removed a source of androgen by removing the testes. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/At_what_age_does_the_pelvic_bone_fuse (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/At_what_age_does_the_pelvic_bone_fuse) says sacrum fuses between 16 and 18 and usually completely fuses by 26. The dominant cause of wider hips is bone, so if you're a normal older person, HRT or SRS won't help widen hips much. All you can hope for is more hip fat. Doctors such as Dr. Osterhout don't recommend hip implants because they don't look natural doing movement.

Some surgeons may remove part of your lowest rib to help your hourglass figure, but many won't because your ribs are there for a reason -- to protect vital organs!

Wow major hip changes! I guess we will see what's in store for me in the next 2 years =)

Of course I started at 28, not 26 but still. ;)

I'm also hoping for more breast changes but we will see.

After going thru vaginoplasty, I kind of dont want to do surgery again haha

I was a pretty young transitioner, have been post-op SRS for 16 years now, and my hips haven't grown literally one inch. I think my body in general has just been fighting me every step of the way and it's frustrating  >:(
I think my only options at this point are either fat-grafting (although I don't have much fat to use), or PMMA injections in Tijuana and hope I'm not raped and murdered along the way, yay me  ::)

Any hip growth on hormones will be from fat.  I don't think it really matters what age you are, actually.  Apparently castrato men had round hips, and so do women with androgen insensitivity syndrome.  I think it's all stopping the testosterone very, very early.  If you google jenny Hiloudaki on google images (NOT SAFE FOR WORK), you'll see that even someone who started hormones at the age of 13 didn't really get any development in the hips.  Anita, there is something called stem cell fat injections where they take fat from one area of your body and put it wherever you want.  The fat is then mixed with stem cells and it basically makes the fat permanently stay in that area.  When you gain weight, the gained weight goes to that area too, because fat cells have memory!  So, you could gain a lot of weight and have it moved to your hips.  It's probably very expensive, though.

Ok I'm just seeing this thread and honestly had put much thought into it so soon after Srs. My surgery was march 22nd.  The jeans I wore to Montreal were tried kn for the first time this am.. I wanted to see if I could wear my jeans now after 5 weeks well I have no idea because now my jeans will not go past my thighs easily and in no way will button. My stomach however is flatter than it was when I left forMontreal and on Sunday someone remarks they thought I was losing weight.

So what's up? Are my hips widening since the surgery?

Quote from: Valeriedances on April 27, 2011, 01:33:01 PM
I believe we do get more changes to our bodies after SRS. I know my body is changing each month, in good ways.

Oh I never got any hip growth pre srs. As long as I'm not getting fatter I don't mind at change

Quote from: kyril on February 21, 2010, 07:27:32 AM
And it takes years of female hormones to develop that fat distribution; teenage girls have very narrow hips, as reflected in the shape of "juniors" clothing.

(I don't mean to be insensitive by suggesting that you ladies compare yourselves to teenage girls, but unfortunately no matter your age, that's where you are in your physical puberty if you're currently transitioning.

Just as a reminder for thread purposes, it is also essential to remember that not every women has large hips.  When I did some part-time work for a major retailer in the mid-90's, we had a pretty good number of women shopping in the Juniors department during the morning hours (ie. before noon).  The kiddie crowd came in after school let out.  I only wish it had been commission because my sales figures tended to be the best in the department because I related to the skinny adults (they tended to value the guidance of a ~30yo clerk working early than they would the ~20yo kids we had working at night).   

Hip measurement should NOT be something that is viewed as a be-all, end-all and it, at least for me, is not something that would have me clamoring for additional surgical intervention just to make them larger. 

Quote from: Valeriedances on April 27, 2011, 01:59:29 PM
I do not know if it is my hips per se, but 1 year post-op srs, my body is curvier.

same here at just over 10 months, though I have noticed some of the panties I used to wear are a lot tighter in the butt now lol

Quote from: FairyGirl on May 01, 2011, 01:15:59 AM
same here at just over 10 months, though I have noticed some of the panties I used to wear are a lot tighter in the butt now lol

I never had a butt but yesterday my wife said my butt looked a little rounder. Maybe I'll get lucky