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It seems to me that if one is to transgenderize they are expected to not just feel or think but to actualy be the desired sex. But How can one actually be another species on the inside...(unless there are souls maybe...reincarnation and what not...)

http://www.otherkin.com/ (http://www.otherkin.com/)

Oh, BTW, it also applies to people who think they are non-mythological species as well.

This is right down my ally being as I am a furry and it's not just a hobby for me but a lifestyle.  I also see myself as somewhat Therian.  I haven't had my past lives looked into but I'm very curious about it as my pull towards animals is so strong.

Sec, let me go drag up the "collected definition" I put together a couple of years ago...

"Otherkin are people who believe themselves to be something other than a human being on a spiritual, psychological, energetic and some even on a biological level, and choose to identify with that non-human fragment of themselves to the point where they count it as a permanent and ingrained part of their personal mythology and/or identity."

Most consider themselves either psychological or spiritual otherkin.
All the "sane" ones consider themselves Human Beings first, with just "kinship" with something else.

I, for one, am otherkin. I consider myself spiritually otherkin. I believe in reincarnation and I believe my spirit/soul/energy/subtle body/whatever you call it, originates as not-human and still retains it's original "state" for the most part.

I do not, not for one second, believe that my transsexualism is in any way caused by my otherkinism, but I consider it entirely possible that my otherkinism may be a psychological development caused by my transsexualism, even if I make the conscious choice to believe otherwise.

I, personally, am a Lycan.  And the moon has nothing to do with it.


Janet

I don't know about this, it could spell trouble. When I brought up the whole pyro-pedo-necro-beastaphilia thing...well let's say that's not the look you want to see on your psychiatrist's face. Even more pills I gotta flush straight down to hell, easy there.

I remember seeing something on tv about a man and a women who became Cats or something close by changeing there appearance significantly. It makes me wonder if they had to go through similar psychological stuff as TGs.

I think I would be a Dog. It has always been one of my life time goals to be able to help them evolve or at least help them so that they might begin an approach towards sapienism. In fact, I figure it is our duty, as perhaps the first sapiens, to help all animals live and grow or evolve.

I remember seeing some guy who calls himself "stalking cat" who has some quite interesting body modifications to make himself look like a werecat.

I am a Neko (Catgirl) but I just have my cat hat and tail but this guy has gone all out by the looks of it.

Quote from: Washu Chan on November 11, 2009, 05:44:33 AM
I remember seeing some guy who calls himself "stalking cat" who has some quite interesting body modifications to make himself look like a werecat.

Nice. Do you have pics of that? (I find body mods fascinating)

I felt I was an alien when I was younger (8-13). I think it was just a form of denial mixed with some geekism

I thought we could all be angels.

Quote from: insanitylives on November 12, 2009, 08:08:44 PM
Nice. Do you have pics of that? (I find body mods fascinating)

Just google "stalking cat"

*facepalm* Dur. Freaking cool. Wonder how he got the tail.... and if it works
Oh but we must be human. Oh well.

The tail is just like a "strap-on" thing.
There's someone who makes custom robotic tails though, that sway and stuff.

Quote from: Robin. on November 06, 2009, 03:13:23 PM
It seems to me that if one is to transgenderize they are expected to not just feel or think but to actualy be the desired sex. But How can one actually be another species on the inside...(unless there are souls maybe...reincarnation and what not...)

Does it also count that you've never felt like a human but that you've also found only pieces of what you feel like in other species on earth? I swear I feel part ALIEN sometimes... D:

Part of me embraces that... But I gotta live this life thing so it gets kinda crazy. Putting on your horse blinders, only for life you know... Like don't think too much or you'll know your life as a human is ridiculous...

Quote from: Miniar on November 06, 2009, 04:38:50 PM
Sec, let me go drag up the "collected definition" I put together a couple of years ago...

"Otherkin are people who believe themselves to be something other than a human being on a spiritual, psychological, energetic and some even on a biological level, and choose to identify with that non-human fragment of themselves to the point where they count it as a permanent and ingrained part of their personal mythology and/or identity."

Most consider themselves either psychological or spiritual otherkin.
All the "sane" ones consider themselves Human Beings first, with just "kinship" with something else.

I, for one, am otherkin. I consider myself spiritually otherkin. I believe in reincarnation and I believe my spirit/soul/energy/subtle body/whatever you call it, originates as not-human and still retains it's original "state" for the most part.

I do not, not for one second, believe that my transsexualism is in any way caused by my otherkinism, but I consider it entirely possible that my otherkinism may be a psychological development caused by my transsexualism, even if I make the conscious choice to believe otherwise.

I'm a fairy, previously, now, and forevermore. Most all fairies are gender fluid.

From fairiesinamerica.com (http://www.fairiesinamerica.com/gender/):

Quote"Nobody has a right to determine anyone else's gender,
Thank you."

Sex is biological. Gender, as faeries believe, is mutable. Shapeshifting is part of our magic. When masculine and feminine are joined within, the highest states of consciousness can be reached, and we can access directly the divine. We all have the power to do this, whether we are human or fairy beings. Yet fairies do this naturally, as part of our ritual with the world. Being able to move between the two worlds also yields other sublime states. In sexual acts, one can be either or, and the sacredness of the act is sanctioned through this exchange.

Allow me to be the Scrooge here but - no good can come to the TG community by being identified with "otherkin" ideas.

If that's what you think, I'll refrain from judgments about your ideas but absolutely NO WAY does it need to enjoy the same credibility as GID.

IMNSHO.

Quote from: Laura Hope on November 15, 2009, 01:37:54 PM
Allow me to be the Scrooge here but - no good can come to the TG community by being identified with "otherkin" ideas.

If that's what you think, I'll refrain from judgments about your ideas but absolutely NO WAY does it need to enjoy the same credibility as GID.

IMNSHO.

Who was saying it did?

muggle lol

Quote from: Laura Hope on November 15, 2009, 01:37:54 PM
Allow me to be the Scrooge here but - no good can come to the TG community by being identified with "otherkin" ideas.

If that's what you think, I'll refrain from judgments about your ideas but absolutely NO WAY does it need to enjoy the same credibility as GID.

IMNSHO.

You have no idea what a persons quirks are if you're not living through their eyes... For all you know there ARE legitimate cases of "species identity disorder". What are you, surprised? There are many levels of this. One is that, yes, they might just be a copying poseur... Or two, the "Unimaginable."
They identify as another species or something... Is it really that surprising as our race evolves that a few ONE cases might pop up and differentiate in some way, maybe even identifying as another animal?

We're all one organism, this planet of ours, but we're all different. Some case could pop up one day where they are legitimately not human by todays standards...

You think these chemicals in todays world are only affecting gender or birth sex? ... Hahahah Think again miss!

Quote from: Kara-Xen on November 15, 2009, 04:16:32 PM
You have no idea what a persons quirks are if you're not living through their eyes... For all you know there ARE legitimate cases of "species identity disorder". What are you, surprised? There are many levels of this. One is that, yes, they might just be a copying poseur... Or two, the "Unimaginable."
They identify as another species or something... Is it really that surprising as our race evolves that a few ONE cases might pop up and differentiate in some way, maybe even identifying as another animal?

We're all one organism, this planet of ours, but we're all different. Some case could pop up one day where they are legitimately not human by todays standards...

You think these chemicals in todays world are only affecting gender or birth sex? ... Hahahah Think again miss!

I'm not questioning the legitimacy of the feelings, I'm saying it's a different order of "condition"

I'm not qualified to say if there's some "chemical" or other creating these issues, but there is a legitimate, logical, studied, physical process that can be connected to GID. there's no logical, rational, hypothesis for how a human can have a condition (other than a psychosis) in which they believe sincerly that they are or should have been a cat.

And yes, to a previous question, there ARE those out there who consider there "species identity" problem to be as real and legitimate as GID.

Call me crazy but I think that if we fall prey to the logic that because we have a legitimate identity issue,  that all identity issues are legitimate.

That's exactly the kind of thing the religious right uses to argue against LGBT issues (i.e. "if you let too men marry then what do you say to the guy who wants to marry his horse?")

Now, if you are a furry and you do your furry thing in the privacy of your own life then I'd be the last person to even comment on it. Until it becomes a "rights issue" and someone says to me "You think you are a woman and Joe thinks he's a dog - what makes you two different?"

THEN it becomes something which makes my own path harder.

I don't believe I'm the only gurl that's dreamed of running off with a beautiful horse. If there's a spat goin' here, cut me out, I'm just dreaming of horses.

I love this thread SOOOO much!

Lots of girls dream of running off with horses. (https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cosgan.de%2Fimages%2Fsmilie%2Ftiere%2Fo055.gif&hash=fe36bf37051c79950e98b94a9bb0f4fc8e9da170) What makes your condition more legitimate than mine?

I saw this guy on Ripley's Believe It or Not who did some serious body modifications to look more like a reptile, including implants for a knotty forehead, getting his tongue forked (and not in a good way), his teeth pointed, and having his skin tattooed green with scales. It's easy to marry a high horse and judge others different than you and say oh well he's just insane or his condition doesn't count as a "real" condition like mine. Obviously of course being a muggle is the accepted norm, but GID is in fact listed as a mental disorder. I'm not so sure about RID (Reptilian Identity Disorder), but I'll bet reptile boy didn't have to live for a whole year as a lizard before he had surgery. ::)

(https://www.susans.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ichloe.com%2Fimages%2FThe%2520Lizard%2520Man%25204.jpg&hash=7de9efdf9836ed8483dad4670a6708badc90e1c5)

I've worked with that guy up close and personal, he used to MC Jaggermiester (naturally enough) metal band tours.

I think I'm a Mermaid. I'll have to swim off with a Seahorse  :laugh:

Quote from: Virginia Marie on November 15, 2009, 10:21:24 PM
I think I'm a Mermaid. I'll have to swim off with a Seahorse  :laugh:

I'm something like that...


Deep sea organism, mixed with alien, mixed with like 2 percent feline... There's a lot

Laura's comments are not unfounded in that if the public ever began to lump transsexuality and other cross identities as "identity disorders" it would spell big trouble for the transgendered movement - effectively giving ammunition to those wishing to bar us from the GBL and linking us with the incredible: furries, otherkin, etc.

It is a leap though.  Almost the whole of the public's exposure to these other lifestyles is pretty much a single CSI episode.  You know which one I'm talking about.  So the chance the average person will combine the two is unlikely.

Still, if one were to browse these "other identification" forums and lists and compare them to the TG boards, there are a lot of very striking similarities for better or for worse.  Still, I personally give more credibility to the TG side of things (as I am TG) but not much.  There isn't much good science on either side - only what we feel... and isn't that the same argument of the otherkin?

Oh, and welcome back, Tekla!

Quote from: interalia on November 16, 2009, 12:09:33 AM
Laura's comments are not unfounded in that if the public ever began to lump transsexuality and other cross identities as "identity disorders" it would spell big trouble for the transgendered movement - effectively giving ammunition to those wishing to bar us from the GBL and linking us with the incredible: furries, otherkin, etc.

It is a leap though.  Almost the whole of the public's exposure to these other lifestyles is pretty much a single CSI episode.  You know which one I'm talking about.  So the chance the average person will combine the two is unlikely.

Still, if one were to browse these "other identification" forums and lists and compare them to the TG boards, there are a lot of very striking similarities for better or for worse.  Still, I personally give more credibility to the TG side of things (as I am TG) but not much.  There isn't much good science on either side - only what we feel... and isn't that the same argument of the otherkin?

Oh, and welcome back, Tekla!

LOL Fur and loathing...

I laugh at that episode and I'm a hardcore furry. I personally believe in past lives ect so many of these Therian and Otherkin folks might want to look into that. I feel with my animal instincts that it might be remembering a past life, but I really am not sure.  People are free to believe what they choose as long as they don't try telling me I have to conform to their beliefs, whatever they may be.  People look at me and think I should act female....

Just to state the obvious... fury =/= otherkin

And like I said, "most" intelligent otherkin consider it probable that their otherkinism is caused by a psychological issue, not a spiritual/physical one, even if they choose to believe otherwise.

So most otherkin do not qualify as having species identity disorder.

And no one here is saying that one identity disorder is "as valid" or "more valid" than another either. It's apples and oranges.
_

That being said, I think it would be mutually harmful for both those who are transgendered and those who are otherkin if we put the two together in one pile, even if there may already be some overlap.

(Overlap refers here to my personal belief that it's entirely possible that my being otherkin is a result of my being trans, even if I choose to believe it's not.)

My comparing GID with "RID" was being facetious, for those who didn't catch that. I agree with Miniar it is comparing apples and oranges- I for one am very comfortable in my fairy-ness, and do not see it as a disorder at all. In fact I see it as a distinct advantage, and I'm quite proud of it. Contrary to the Peter Pan/Tinkerbell mythos, fairies really don't care if humans believe in us or not. It's their loss.

Perhaps it is merely a psychological coping mechanism, for those who feel outside the norm, or disenfranchised by the rest of a faceless society they can live neither within nor without. But to equate it at all with a "disorder" like GID is missing the entire point of it, in my actually rather studied opinion on the matter. Missing the entire point (ie, comparing apples and oranges) is something some people do with distressing frequency.

Awesome. An Otherkin topic. Ok well here's my chance to come out at this place..

I am an Otherkin. Specifically, a Demonkin. I confuse even other Otherkin with my identity because I don't identify as just a Demon, but a Holy Demon. Which confuses some into thinking "Doesn't that mean an Angel?" but to me it's different than an Angel. I identify with more of the characteristics of a Demon than an Angel. And I have the phantom limb thing that most Otherkin have. I have phantom horns, wings and I used to have a tail but the feeling kind of vanished. I don't know of any Angelic Otherkin who have horns..lol