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I was talking to some people online.  2 of these individuals are Bowers girls like me & they're planning to undergo a labiaplasty with a different surgeon ???  Sorta weird since Marci performs the one stage procedure unlike many other US surgeons.  I was wondering if anybody else (looks at the Bowers girls on this board) had heard anything like this??

My surgery was done by Dr. Biber in 1974 so it is a bit primitive. I considered having a revision done but decided against it. The sensitivity is GREAT, everything functions properly, and anyone who gets close enough to have a good look is already going to know about my childhood so I decided not to risk loosing the sensitivity. I am not going to do porn movies so I'd rather be (remain) orgasmic  ;D

yep

I took 25 years though ::) But i'm thinking about going for a minor revision for part medical and part cosmetic reasons soemtime after xmas. Like Jane I'm pretty sensitive and wish to remain so, so I will have to check that this won't spoil that, but I'll let you know how things go.

Yes I needed it, I considered it at the time and had it done, it put the finishing touch to my new womanhood, absolutely no regrets and any guy who has been lucky to have been there had absolutely no complaints.
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Quote from: Blanche on December 12, 2009, 04:38:39 AM
I was talking to some people online.  2 of these individuals are Bowers girls like me & they're planning to undergo a labiaplasty with a different surgeon ???  Sorta weird since Marci performs the one stage procedure unlike many other US surgeons.  I was wondering if anybody else (looks at the Bowers girls on this board) had heard anything like this??

I haven't.  Dr. Bowers was my surgeon too & I couldn't be happier with my results.  Maybe their surgery didn't go as expected & they need a revision?  Did they day why they were considering a labiaplasty?

I had considered it after my GRS (McGinn).  The doctor recommended waiting at least six months after the initial procedure before having any additional surgery.

It's been over 18 months since I have had my surgery and I, and my partner, are completely satisfied with the results (read ecstatic).  During one of my post operative checkups, my regular physician remarked how natural I looked (I would think that he has had enough exposure to tell).

For myself, I have dropped the idea for a labiaplasty as being too vain, expensive and uncomfortable.  I have achieved the external body image that has been in my mind since I was a little girl.  I am finally at peace.

It may be an option for others.  We all struggle with our internal/external selves through this process.  We all struggle to find peace.

-Sandy

Quote from: Blanche on December 12, 2009, 04:38:39 AM
(looks at the Bowers girls on this board)

Hides from those eyes :laugh:

Bowers girl, class of 2005.  I needn't a labiaplasty either.

Thank you all for your replies.  That's a marvelous one-stage result you've got there Matilda.  Meltzer was just too expensive for me when I scheduled surgery :(

Quote from: Leslie on December 18, 2009, 06:53:18 AM
Maybe their surgery didn't go as expected & they need a revision?  Did they day why they were considering a labiaplasty?

I'll ask them.  Hopefully they won't think I'm too nosy.

i had grs with marci bowers too.

no labiaplasty needed.

I had my GRS with Dr. Toby Meltzer, as well as labiaplasty, as he is 2 stage.  He will make you wait 3 months before doing a labiaplasty.

Another Marci's girl.

I don't need a labiaplasty,  If there's anybody considering to have it done with Marci, these are her fees:

QuoteLabiaplasty - Outpatient - $ 4,400
Dr. Bowers' previous GRS patients and genetic females.
A stay of 2-3 nights in the Trinidad area is recommended.


Labiaplasty - Outpatient - $ 4,900
Post-operative GRS patients from surgeons other than Dr. Bowers
A stay of 2-3 nights in the Trinidad area is recommended.

http://www.marcibowers.com/grs/surgery4.html (http://www.marcibowers.com/grs/surgery4.html)

I will definitely have to consider Miss Marci, as it sounds like she does great work. I have been thinking about Thailand, since I have heard that it is the cheapest way to go, and their labiaplasty (http://www.locateadoc.com/pictures/cosmetic-surgery/labiaplasty.html) surgeons are some of the best in the world from what I hear. How does Miss Bowers stand up to the cost and quality work of the Thailand doctors? Would it be a lot more expensive if I went this route, or are the costs comparable after you take travel and hotel accommodations into account? Thanks for your help!

Bower's girl, Class of 2004.

I was very displeased with my results and so were partners.

I was finally able to have a revision this last year, I never would have trusted Marci to touch me a second time.

How did labiaplasty impact on sensation?

I'm having a meeting with a friend this afternoon and she is VERY MUCH in the marked for both labia and urethroplasty .

Being highly orgasmic at present, it maybe something quite important to take into account...?

I'm now being 7 month post-op, and I'm not all that sensate. No problems with pain, but far less so with stimulation.
It seems to affect the skin surface rather then any below-skin sensations.

Axélle

As counter-intuitive as it sounds, I am more sensitive after having labiaplasty with Dr. Chettawut.  He was so afraid to reposition my mispositioned clitoris... so worried about sensitivity issues...  I had to keep throwing money at him ^_^ .  But the truth is that before labiaplasty I didn't like having my clitoris touched and now it actually feels good.  Also Dr. Chettawut apparently removed the excess erectile tissue that Marci Bowers left as a souvenir so I no longer rise to the occasion and then flop over to one side like before.  I realize Marci was new in the biz when I went to her and yet I am biting my tongue and giving her respect that is not deserved IMHO.

Hum... good feedback, thanks.

Now... Dr. Chettawut will charge a PRIME for the correction I alluded to, practically same a prime-SRS in this specific case.

Dr. Sanguan Kunaporn seems a bit less demanding though not very much less either. ~ US$ 9k compared to ~ US$13k in the case of Chettawut.

In fairness we are talking about urethroplasty AND labiaplasty, plus z-plasty (removing ring-scar at vj-introitus).

Anyone else with personal experience of those 2 Dr's "options"?

Axélle

Hi,

Sanguan , Phuket Thailand is very good, & nothing is a problem,

...noeleena...

I have often thought about having the 'other' done, but really decided against it, as right now I have good sensitivity, and like some one else mentions everything *works* so.. lets not go too far. :) I often read women having their Labia reduced in size, so I can imagine it must be uncomfortable in the first place for some women who have larger labia.

Quote from: Kitty_Babe on April 24, 2012, 05:02:27 AM
I have often thought about having the 'other' done, but really decided against it, as right now I have good sensitivity, and like some one else mentions everything *works* so.. lets not go too far. :) I often read women having their Labia reduced in size, so I can imagine it must be uncomfortable in the first place for some women who have larger labia.

You got THAT right hon, some have to tuck them! No joke. It then gets some nasty name (meat-curtain), so there are some reasons for cis-girl labiaplasty, quite so.

Axélle

I had SRS with Dr. Meltzer in Nov. 2010. I am happy with my results, and plan to go back this fall for a labiaplasty.

I'm interested in hearing of others experience with a labiaplasty.

Very worth it if you are familiar with what vaginae look like and if having one that looks normal is important to you.

Vaginae were somewhat of a mystery to me before having one.  I didn't really understand the nuances of the anatomy until having one for a few years and then comparatively studying them (and I have an art degree).

I realize I went to Bowers who botched me up pretty badly...  so take that into consideration (2004).  Also Marci would never admit to anything but perfection because it is her job to make a customer believe they got something wonderful.

Anyway... my vagina was absolutely hideous, even when I was simply standing up straight, legs together.  After secondary and some botch fixes Dr. Chettawut allowed me to look between my legs and see a vagina for the first time in my life.  Seeing a vagina between my legs instead of some alien looking train wreck had a beneficial impact on my psyche.  For the first time since SRS I felt like I had a sex again and was actually female instead of the "trans hole" that Marci Bowers inflicted upon my body.

Although not perfect looking at my vagina and seeing something that begins to look sexual and attractive is an amazing feeling compared to what Marci did to me.

Quote from: Noey Nooneson on April 29, 2012, 05:40:45 PM
Very worth it if you are familiar with what vaginae look like and if having one that looks normal is important to you.

Vaginae were somewhat of a mystery to me before having one.  I didn't really understand the nuances of the anatomy until having one for a few years and then comparatively studying them (and I have an art degree).

I realize I went to Bowers who botched me up pretty badly...  so take that into consideration (2004).  Also Marci would never admit to anything but perfection because it is her job to make a customer believe they got something wonderful.

Anyway... my vagina was absolutely hideous, even when I was simply standing up straight, legs together.  After secondary and some botch fixes Dr. Chettawut allowed me to look between my legs and see a vagina for the first time in my life.  Seeing a vagina between my legs instead of some alien looking train wreck had a beneficial impact on my psyche.  For the first time since SRS I felt like I had a sex again and was actually female instead of the "trans hole" that Marci Bowers inflicted upon my body.

Although not perfect looking at my vagina and seeing something that begins to look sexual and attractive is an amazing feeling compared to what Marci did to me.

i have to admit that i was of the frame of mind till not to long ago that american surgeon = better . but after seeing danielle fox's srs result with dr supporn and some of the ffs coming out of thailand , ive started to realise that more expensive and western doctor doesnt always = better

I've seen some good pictures of Danielle Foxxx's surgery and some bad ones. I don't know whether some of her pics are photoshopped or not.
But it should be noted that she had a large uncircumcised penis before surgery so she had plenty of tissue to create a believable vulva with decent labia.
I think that is far more important than which surgeon does the work.

It's pretty important which surgeon does the work.

Anyone can chop down a tree but to carve it into something beautiful takes skill and sadly skill and artistic ability is hard to come by, especially in the USA.

I'm also thinking, EVERY time you are cut/scalpelled there is at least some loss of 'material'. I have no idea how one would get bigger inner labia by cutting some more in this area.

Most, if not all ggs that go for vaginal rejuvenation have too much stuff down there (labia minora). It be hardly an issue I see after having had SRS, or?

Well, not in my case that much I can say, looking like some 14 year old - of sorts.

Axélle

Marci Bowers left me with a ton of extra material in all the wrong places.  Skin grafts can be done when there isn't enough material.  Entire vaginal vaults have been created with grafts from where thigh meets abdomen leaving all the rest of the donor materials for inner labia, hooding, frenulum, etc.  My ex's vaginal vault was constructed entirely with such grafts via Suporn.

Well now... vaginal vault and inner labia ARE two different things entirely, yes?
If there is 'extra material' on first pass SRS on inner labia - no problem, as one would WANT to loose some.

Grafting skin onto an inner labia - well, that does not only need some 'artist' (and who knows before he is one – with you?) as well as quite some collaboration from one's body.
During my SRS I had one patient next to me that had issues with this. One labia 'falling off' (didn't take as they had it).
Bloody-supply to inner labia is the issue here, as it was told by my surgeon. If it fails... the results will simply be yet more loss of material – or another graft, that may take, or not.
Just some perspective on the subject.

Axélle

The doctor (Suporn) who used the thigh grafts for the vaginal vault on my ex did so in order to use analogous tissues to construct structures such as inner labia, clitoral hooding, etc.  This way tissues are used for their analogous opposites and blood supply would be preserved since instead of grafting, the organ is reshaped without removing tissue entirely.  Penile skin & scrotal skin become inner labia, clitoral hooding - whereas most surgeons take that analogous tissue and move it inside the vault, instead of putting it where it should be.

Someone like myself who mistakenly trusted Dr. Bowers in 2004 would require a graft because my donor material was either put in the wrong place or thrown out with the garbage.  The ugly excess of skin that Dr. Bowers left me with was outer labia skin.  Dr. Chettawut used that excess skin to graft the vacant area after he positioned my clitoris correctly.  Unfortunately there wasn't enough left over to augment my inner labia or at least that is what he told me.

I had two stage surgery and inner labia created in the second one. It´s still healing but it seems they will be very small. In the first surgery he left quite a lot of skin there and it looked like I had hughe labia. Than he sewed some of that together to form the inner ones. I think he should have made the inner bigger since there still is a lot to take from and it can hang down. But maybe that will fix with time. I don´t think there is a big effect on sensation when done this way.

Quote from: Noey Nooneson on May 16, 2012, 04:59:14 AM
The doctor (Suporn) who used the thigh grafts for the vaginal vault on my ex did so in order to use analogous tissues to construct structures such as inner labia, clitoral hooding, etc.  This way tissues are used for their analogous opposites and blood supply would be preserved since instead of grafting, the organ is reshaped without removing tissue entirely.  Penile skin & scrotal skin become inner labia, clitoral hooding - whereas most surgeons take that analogous tissue and move it inside the vault, instead of putting it where it should be.

Someone like myself who mistakenly trusted Dr. Bowers in 2004 would require a graft because my donor material was either put in the wrong place or thrown out with the garbage.  The ugly excess of skin that Dr. Bowers left me with was outer labia skin.  Dr. Chettawut used that excess skin to graft the vacant area after he positioned my clitoris correctly.  Unfortunately there wasn't enough left over to augment my inner labia or at least that is what he told me.

when you saw dr chettawut did you see any of his ffs patients ? im seriously considering him for ffs

No, I didn't.  I did ask him if it was up to him if he would recommend and perform any FFS procedures for me and he just looked at me and said, "You already pass."  I had FFS with Dr. Pat a couple of years previous to that.